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Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 7:16pm

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Hello

My studio just started filming our big summer production on Saturday. It is a comedy about a man who ends up getting cloned. We shot some scenes on saturday, and are planning on another shoot this week.

We have a feature length script on our hands.

This is the first effects shot completed for the movie.

http://www.de-evolutionstudios.com/films/first%20int%202.mov

Sorry for the bad quality, but my computer doesn't feel like co-operating much with me right now due to some bad codecs. Let me know what you think of the cloning done in it. The shot took about 2 hours to mask and such in Chromy. Please leave comments about it.

I will post any news and such about the film in this topic.

We expect to finish filming by the end of the summer and are looking towards a release at least in the Fxhome Cinema around mid fall.

All of us at De-Evolution Studios are really excited about working on such a big project and we can't wait for you all to see our work.

Wish us luck!
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 7:50pm

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Try to make the camera movement smoother.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 8:44pm

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I agree 100% with ryan, you aren't going to get anywhere with such jagged and jerky motion wink
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 9:02pm

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The cloning in the shot is good. The fact that you used that motion filter to make the camera move isn't.

The actual move of it doesn't fit at all. I would stay with a slight zoom out, or nothing at all. Prob. the second.

Andrew biggrin
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 9:44pm

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ya the motion is really smooth but ya it looks like an old sdpace game or the camera is bouncing off walls smile
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 9:50pm

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Yeah, it's too pongy. wink
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 11:27pm

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updated version of that shot:

http://www.de-evolutionstudios.com/films/first%20int%203.mov

And a one more shot:

http://www.de-evolutionstudios.com/films/fourth%20int.mov
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 11:39pm

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Better on the first one. Poor camera work on the second. And de-interlace your bloody footage. wink
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 11:41pm

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i'll de-interlace my bloody footage when im bloody done with the whole bloody film! Im not wasting bloody disk space just bloody yet! BLOODY!
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 11:43pm

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My bloody bad.

But still fix the camera work in the second, I know it was hard to do and probably took a while, but it does need a bit of work. was that camera movement artificial, because how did you clone? Ah, just explain how you did the second one.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 11:53pm

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i just moved it until he set the drink down, on the tripod, then let go. Then we did the clone sitting down with the camera having not moved. Then in post i had the camera artificially zoom in a bit on the cup, so that the camera was moving when the clone came in, to better sell the illusion. Im trying to fix up the bad camera and stuff up in post because im not so sure about re-filming it.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 11:59pm

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Oh, that'll be hard. smile
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 12:06am

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not really, it just takes a bit of frame movement and adjustment.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 12:53am

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Yeah, on each frame, sorta. And you lose resolution and it doesn't look as good. Ignore me.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 1:25am

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done and done.

But no, its not that hard. Just use chromy, put a dot or something over the footage, then line up a particular object with the dot, then take out the dot. Not that hard.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 1:34am

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Ok, but the pixels still aren't perfect.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 1:59am

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Serpent wrote:

Ok, but the pixels still aren't perfect.
it looks fine.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 2:01am

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I know, I'm tryin to find a way to defend myself. o_0





Sorry.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 2:15am

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i asked for help.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 2:51am

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And I did.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 3:47am

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I have a silly face...hehe...oh sorry, I just needed to say something becuase I'm part of the studio. And about the effects- as long as they look good enough, they'll still amaze my family.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 3:53am

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Mister Pencil wrote:

And about the effects- as long as they look good enough, they'll still amaze my family.
Amen.

We have the same sig. At least for now. *shakes fist*
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 6:17am

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How would de-interlacing your footage take up more hard drive space?

These are just test shots right? Hopefully at least the second shot is, because it's horrible. Loosen the stuff on your tripod so you can move it smoothly. That's what that stuff is for. Don't use zooms, they look bad. Not in all cases, but in this case, they do.

I'm going to suggest taking out that artificial movement in the first shot. Just leave it still, it will look fine like that.

How long is your script?
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 12:56pm

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Aculag wrote:

How would de-interlacing your footage take up more hard drive space?

These are just test shots right? Hopefully at least the second shot is, because it's horrible. Loosen the stuff on your tripod so you can move it smoothly. That's what that stuff is for. Don't use zooms, they look bad. Not in all cases, but in this case, they do.

I'm going to suggest taking out that artificial movement in the first shot. Just leave it still, it will look fine like that.

How long is your script?
My computer is crap right now. Due to some troublesome codecs. Its a miracle I was able to get those clips up. I have the "de-interlace thing selected, but it doesn't work unless I go into virtual dub and blend the fields together. Its just easier. Trust me.

I did loosen the stuff on the tripod. I was in an awkward position against a sort of counter, so I couldn't move straight. I dont think re-shooting will be much of a posibility, but we can just cut together other shots during the shaky bits. I've also added some post prosuction fixes to the shakyness.

I like the artificial movement. It gives that exra coolness to the shot. The realism that makes it look more realistic compared to a boring static shot.

The script is 100 pages.
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 8:30pm

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Thanks De-Evolution Studios (Evan) for making my sig!

*winks*
Posted: Mon, 26th Jul 2004, 1:56am

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http://www.de-evolutionstudios.com/films/Using%20the%20clone.mov

here is the first scene "completed". Meaning that its not the first scene and it may not be complete. wink

Please post any comments on how it can be made better. Please help, as you suggestions could influence the way this whole movie goes.
Posted: Mon, 26th Jul 2004, 3:46am

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evman101 wrote:

Please help, as your suggestions could influence the way this whole movie goes.
Yes, and this whole movie is going in a strange direction.
Posted: Mon, 26th Jul 2004, 8:21am

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It's sloppy.

There are several edits where one guy moves, then it cuts, and he hasn't moved yet (example: 00:00:26, after "Can I get a drink?");and in one place, the guy leans up and says something but no words come out (00:00:43).

The camera movements are stuttery often, and it's going to be incredibly confusing if the clone is always wearing the same clothes as the... clone...ee. I think you should have had them wearing different clothes at least.

Fade out sooner on the last shot, because the guy looks right into the camera.

The first shot lasts almost 10 seconds, and it's kinda boring. I'm glad you took out the aritificial zoom and movement, but you might shoot a different shot to add there, or cut to something else sooner, or maybe come in later.

Other than that stuff (which is really a lot) it's fine. Don't try and explain why all of this stuff is the way it is, just fix it. It's a very incomplete job so far.

Do you have much other stuff shot? Do you have any sort of deadline for getting this done, like a specific amount of shooting days?

Also, you should use the song "I Wish I Had An Evil Twin" by Magnetic Fields in this movie somewhere. Judging from this scene, it's very appropriate.
Posted: Mon, 26th Jul 2004, 8:35pm

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the guy will be wearing different clothes the rest of the movie. In this scene, he just got cloned, so his clothes did too. In that shot i posted earlier, he was wearing to different things.

Kinda hard to fix somethings, but i'll see what i can do.

Fade out sooner on the last shot, because the guy looks right into the camera.
that is not gonna be like that in the movie, its just i was putting it there so you knew when the clip was over.

No, we are our own producers, so there is no set date to finish. We should be finished by september. Its hard to wrangle our friends sometimes because of vacations and stuff. Our main actor just found out he cant shoot for a week or two because of a family emergency. [/quote]
Posted: Mon, 26th Jul 2004, 9:40pm

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http://www.de-evolutionstudios.com/films/Using%20the%20clone%203.mov

here is a link to a revised version. what do you think?
Posted: Tue, 27th Jul 2004, 8:56pm

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you know, i wasn't only talking to aculag. Anyone? Suggestions?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2004, 8:26pm

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dont mean to sound like an ass, but its been 2 days since i posted this and no answers. Thats odd for the Fxhome forums. Please let me know what you think!
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2004, 8:48pm

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Perhaps people have lives and are not waiting hour after hour to see the next revision of a scene in your movie. Perhaps they feel that they have already given you 2 pages worth of advice and that maybe you can work it out from there. Perhaps this is your movie and maybe some of the decisions should be made by you. Perhaps you should have the input on your movie rather than asking everyone else to do it.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2004, 10:05pm

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wow. Im asking for one scene. There are obviously a lot of people here with good movie making skills. I offer any advice that i can when i can. It would be nice if people could also do that for me. That hurt man. It did. C'mon. Im asking for advice on one scene. ONE! Thats it! Nothing else! I'd offer my advice if it were you. I just want to know what people like here so that i can keep that in mind for the rest of my film. I don't really want to shun anything that you have to ask. This is a help forum. I'm only asking for help.

Perhaps people have lives
well in the last two days since i posted the revision, there have been many, many topics posted and many, many replies. There have been people who have been on here a lot. Im pretty sure that some people have been on this site for more than a few hours in the past days. its 2 minutes of your life.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2004, 10:14pm

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Sorry if I came off a bit harshly (I kinda just needed to vent a bit of frustration). All I'm saying is make sure that you take a good look at your work first and then when you feel it's as good as you can make it use it in the final cut. It just seemed a bit wierd as you didn't seem to have any specific problem with the scene and were perhaps just looking for a bit of reassurance about your skills (nothing wrong with that if this is the case).
I hope this explains a bit as to why I said the stuff above. After all it is your movie.
Anyway Good luck with the film wink your movie.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2004, 11:58pm

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Looks pretty much exactly the same, except for some minor touching up with the editing.

I don't want to sound like I'm being mean or anything, but I agree with rawree that we don't really need to see every update. Get it to where you think it's completely done, and you're ready to move on to something else, then show someone and find out. But I don't think you should show every scene you finish on here, and I hope you weren't planning to do that.

I know you think you need help, but if you get it all finished to where you're completely done with it (and I mean the whole movie, here), and then show people the finished product, it'll be a better learning experience than it will to get tips on every scene.
Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2004, 2:51am

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it was just gonna be this scene. Then i can aplly all the stuff to the new scenes.

so with your suggestions:

Looks pretty much exactly the same, except for some minor touching up with the editing.
hmmmm.... wink
Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2004, 5:31pm

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Well, it's true. Sorry.
Posted: Sat, 31st Jul 2004, 2:56am

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Looks pretty good to me. The real tricky stuff that people gasp over is the jerky shots. Everyone already knows how to ease in while cloning. I dont know what everybody's problem is.
Posted: Sat, 31st Jul 2004, 8:58pm

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The jerky shots have nothing to do with the cloning. They're there when there's one person on screen, or no one on screen.
Posted: Sun, 1st Aug 2004, 12:51am

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Aculag wrote:

They're there when there's
Hehe... There times three...
Posted: Sun, 1st Aug 2004, 1:17am

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Yeah, maybe if it moved when there were two on the screen, not necessarily jerky. And it was when there was one on the screen, as Aculag pointed out.
Posted: Sun, 1st Aug 2004, 2:46am

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Aculag wrote:



Fade out sooner on the last shot, because the guy looks right into the camera.

DONT LOOK AT THE CAMERA!

It's the exact same in theatre. If you watch an amatuer play with younger kids (and manytimes old) many have this habbit of breaking the fourth wall. On stage there is UpStage (the back wall) Stage Left and Right (Right and Left wall) the fourth is the one that "seperates" the audience from the actors on stage. It's the same in film. You break a wall by looking at the camera. In a movie, or film. A camera really doesn't exist in the environment. It's not there so DON'T SEE IT!

The editting was alright, but try not the have so much movement on the close shots. It makes me feel a bit sick. You managed to pull off the cloning well, except for that dodgy table shot. When it went from the couch and cut to the table, I had no clue where the hell that was. And for your sheets hanging from the ceiling, what was that? Your walls?

Go to Home Depot and get three or four sheets of that foam insulation board. It cuts well, is cheap, and looks better than a sheet. Also, better than that is to actually get some wood or something. I suggested the foam because it can be cut very easily and stuff. Just be sure to cut several layers. Don't just cut all the way through first, make a small cut, then a cut that goes a bit deeper, then go to the other side.

Overall, it's alright. Some basic work is needed. I can't believe you actually did the corny " " with your fingers. That was the worst part. But oh well, directors choice.

Good luck with the rest of your project smile

Andrew biggrin
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AndrewtheActorMan wrote:

Aculag wrote:



Fade out sooner on the last shot, because the guy looks right into the camera.

DONT LOOK AT THE CAMERA!


DONT WORRY!


that is not gonna be like that in the movie, its just i was putting it there so you knew when the clip was over.
read what i wrote about that.

hes renovating his apartment. either we are gonna add a scene to fit in where he says that, or we will do the wall thing. probably stick with the first one. [/quote]