The Trojan War
Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2004, 9:11am
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|The Trojan War was created for a freshman English project. The story revolves around the point of view of Achilles as he is called on to fight a war for King Menalaus against the Trojans whose prince has kidnapped his queen. While it is not exactly historically accurate (Some events were stylized to better suit film) alot of care was taken to include the many characters in the Illiad and make an exciting movie. I made this film in the month of April,2004 a month before Troy was released. A few shots in the movie were blatantly influenced by the Troy trailer simply because it was the best visual reference available. Keep in mind this film was put together in a month and some people were only available to shoot for an hour! Enjoy.|Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2004, 2:30pm
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The movie was awesome!
The music fits nicely to the pictures.
But the voices where kinde poor because of the garage you used (I belive...).
+ Nice Pictures
+ Nice SoundFX
- bad voicerecording
4/5 from me for this little masterpiece ^^
Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2004, 3:03pm
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This was Pretty cool. it was like a mini movie feature. great music, Great composition. ok 3d. overall a 4.
how did you do that like effect when the baby goes in the water?
what effect is that on AE? or what ever you used?
please tell me
Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2004, 3:19pm
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VERY impressive Visual Effects. Now the story.....not so great. While it was a great movie and your intent was there it may not have been executed properly. The acting is what really drove this movie down. I know you're just kids, though, and I understand that it's not like you can hire actors.
I, too, am a kid. Overall- editing(pretty standard but nonetheless good), sound (Sa-weeeeet music, except for the poor dialogue track), acting (*coughing* Ca-rappy),compositing(awesome, seamless integration into nonexistent sets), 3d(pretty awesome, some parts needed to be worked on), and camera work (some pretty good angles there, a couple bad ones but mostly good ones.) this movie was about a 3.5/5. But I'm gonna round up. 4/5
Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2004, 4:18pm
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great. i really liked it. some less than perfect visual effects, but better than anything i can do. good story, some good acting, and obviously a lot of time spent on it.
you had better get an A on that project, cause im giving it a 5.
Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2004, 9:22pm
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Some of the acting needed another take, like some laughing when the girl through the baby. Visual effects were great. 4/5.
Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 6:41am
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Hi boys you realy did a great job. I admit that better job would be much appreciated but in fact I enjoyed every second of it. I admired above all the 3d effects and the scenery well built. THE MUSIC IS GREAT. I admit I wish I have a bit of your ability, and above all show this to your parents ( as I am too a parent) as you have great kids with great future, keep encouraging them and give themm all support. I give you 4/5 for all your effort. Send some information on what programmes used and some tips too. Thanks.
Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 4:15pm
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I cannot believe you did this in a month! Awesome, simply awesome. I have wanted to make an "EPIC" ancient-middle ages movie for a long time, and have found your movie very inspiring (for me to make an "EPIC").
What programs did you use?
I won't give you any comments on the story because you did it in a month. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 10:46pm
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Umm... dont know why people didnt grant you with better grades. This is really awesome, but that you managed to film, edit, make music and all that in 1 month is hard to believe. The fighting scene is really awesome. Best crowd fighting scene here, i think.
BUT, yip the acting was kinda poor, but some of you were really good. The story wasnt that well told. Well I would have done it differently, put it that way. 3d, well I am still learning how to make 3d stuff myself, so I wont comment on that, but it looks good to me, maybe lil more touching up, but nothing much.
All in all, I WILL give you 4.4 / 5 but I guess I will have to give a 4, even though you put soooo much effort in to this. SORRY, but its mainly cause I felt the story wasnt well told, but its difficult to fit, the most important events into a 13 min. movie. I mean like the real movie is 2 hours long, but is crap, cause it hardly has any of the real events in Iliad.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 1:53am
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A very good film. I have to agree with the others though, the talking quality was just not too good, due to the garage. But the rest, very good job, I must say. Goodwork!
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 2:10am
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devilskater wrote:Umm... dont know why people didnt grant you with better grades.
He's gotten good grades except for the dude who gave hime a 2, whoever did that is pretty low. Is it just because of a grudge? Is it because it wasn't pro? If this was your work, and you put in this much effort, would you want an uncommented on 2. If there is a reason, post a comment.
Posted: Thu, 12th Aug 2004, 1:38pm
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Thanks for all of the good reviews. Again let me first comment that this movie was shot over three different shooting dates. The first one we did without the greenscreen and this was the scene in Menalaus' palace. Lol. The kid who played him is sitting right next to me right now and I can't stop thinking about him in a beard. Anyways I do agree that some of our acting was poor *cough* girls *cough*. I'm not sure what aspects of the story weren't well told in your opinion. I would really like to hear more of the specific things about the story that you didnt think were good. I probably wrote this thing in a weekend, but I thought I put everything together pretty well. And I'll tell you, doing research on this thing was not fun. I couldn't find like any information on specific battles and their events.
Which water effect are you exactly talking about? The light that engulfs him is Shine, an ae plugin that you can get from Trapcode. If you're talking about the effect where he goes under the water all I did was keyframe the baby to look like it's moving away from the camera alittle bit. Then I duplicated it and made a mask around it. Then I keyframed the Mask Expansion to be - so it looked like he went under the surface of the water.
Thanks for all of the good comments and I'll be happy to answer anymore questions. Oh and the kids who give 2's are just haters.
Posted: Thu, 12th Aug 2004, 2:03pm
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On the effects side, mostly good work. I really liked the visual look of the CGI you had, maybe you could have colour graded the footage of the actors to have that same quality of light softness (that's all I can describe it as). The battle was very good - the cloning at the start didn't look great but once the fighting started it looked as good as something like Spartacus. Were the fighters clones in that battle sequence, or did you get a lot of people in it?
The ship sequences looked good, & even the sea looked pretty good. I liked the ships churning up the sand as they hit the beaches - cool. The acting wasn't great but this was more to do with your ages rather than your acting. And that awful beard. If you'd done a bit more work on the male characters' makeup, it would have been a bit better acting. The actors would probably have felt older & acted so if they'd had a more realistic beard or some fake stubble.
Nevertheless, this is impressive & if you use your skills & develop them a bit more you could do an original film that kicks a$$.
Posted: Thu, 12th Aug 2004, 4:33pm
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I totaly agree about the movie. I thought it was awesome. Question about the green screen effects: Did you use any additional lighting in the garage along with just the garage lights, and if so - what did you use because it turned out great.
thanks for your time -- kim
Posted: Thu, 12th Aug 2004, 4:49pm
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For the battle scene we actually had about 4 people. We had two Trojan guys, a greek, and me (achilles) and that was it. We did about 10 different fight sequences about 10 seconds long. And I just duplicated them like 1000 times. If you look there are times when they go out of the quad, but when you have 100 layers in the comp it's alittle hard to double check every single frame.
Pretty much all we used was two florescent lights above the screen to light it and then this sortof desklamp coming from the side which really didnt do much of anything. We didnt really have time to screw with the lighting in these shoots. I mean I had like 9 15 years olds on my hands which they had certain times they had to leave and stuff.
I really didnt know much about grading when I did this, so every time I look at the end I like punch myself. One cool thing I did find out was that you can use the 3d lights in Ae to give an extra lighting effect.
Posted: Fri, 13th Aug 2004, 1:09pm
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I would also like to comment on the fact that Patroclus had alot more in the original script that didn't get shot because this kid only showed up for like 15 minutes. Some funny stuff about the kids we had playing each part. The three girls at the begining I felt was perfect because these girls were so damn ditzy. I figured it would be funny if the whole war started because 3 ditzy stupid godesses. The kid who plays Priam and Odysseus used to always call Odysseus Odius because he couldn't remember the name. Mike is going to have a big part in the next movie. Josh, who played Special Agent Czerr in Soldier's Story played Paris in this. Notice how Josh doesn't have that big of a part aside from the fightscenes, his one scene in the woods, and his one death shot. Well, that's because he was pimping all of the girls while we were shooting! He has a big part in the next movie too.
While I'm on the subject I might as well talk alittle bit about the next movie. It's going to be a science fiction film with the kindof Final Fantasy VII futuristic yet old and rusty-look. We have a 40 some page script so far that I would be happy to let people read and comment on. The story centers around this 17 year old kid Ezra, who lives in the slums of this massive city. All of his life he has known that he was going to work in the mines when he turned 18, but after his friend is killed during an attack at a political rally Ezra is asked to join the Police Force in the city. The story has alot of people in it who have lost their sense of identity and purpose and it's alot about them getting it back. We got one shot in the can but we're still getting some of the more complicated and expensive costumes together. So far we've spent over $500 on props and costumes and we're probably going to be spending another $500 on the remaining props and sets. More info to those who want it.
Anyone interested in seeing the blooper reel? Anybody watch after the credits?
Any skeptics about the quality of the bluescreening or the sound...The next movie shouldn't have any sound or bluescreening issues because...I GOT A GL2 BABY!
Posted: Sat, 14th Aug 2004, 6:48pm
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Dang! You went all-out for this project. Nicely done, especially seeing that it was a school project and there were probably time-constraints.
Posted: Fri, 27th Aug 2004, 6:03am
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Im part of sni productions on fxh. Although I really enjoyed the film and the graphics had a really nice effect considering its a school project. I had a problem with the acting. Mainly the the opening scene. I felt that you seemed to have gotten ripped after doing all this hard work, which is apparent. You were left with actors who had a lot to be desired. Over all i really enjoyed the production.
Posted: Fri, 27th Aug 2004, 8:43pm
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Pretty damn nice job buddy. I loved your cloning scene. It was great. KEEP IT UP. it was certainly better than those stalker movies
Posted: Sat, 28th Aug 2004, 12:46am
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wow! i must say that school projects are getting too good! Even though i didn't care for the acting, you worked w/ who you got and i sure as hell hope you got an A+ (For the rest of the year). You've definately got a big future in filmmaking. I'm giving you a 5.
Posted: Sat, 28th Aug 2004, 7:49am
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That was a great movie, very good compositing and effekts. It was really fun to watch. Keep it up.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2004, 2:01pm
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Kyeju - your next movie sounds very ambitious and very interesting. Make sure you keep us updated on how it progresses.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2004, 9:47pm
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As of right now production is at an obstacle of finding a location to build some sets and stuff like that and the right actor to play the main character. But it's coming along. We got some kung fu/mandarin jackets in the mail from shang hai
a few days ago which are part of our bad guy and our political leaders costumes. We still need to order some kevlar helmets and flight suits for our soldiers which I will probably do very soon. As of now we've spent around $520 on the movie and the amount of props and costumes I have in my closet is a bit over whelming. We're taking a bit of a break this month to work on a short film for a contest. I have alot of confidence in the concept and I'm pretty sure we're going to win the lot.
Oh yea! Summer was coming to an end and I figured that I at least want to say we've got ONE shot done so...I designed a practical pipe prop out of a card board tube I found in my garage. The shot is really just a little insert where you dont get to see much of the character, so if we do some little changes to his costume they aren't noticeable. I'm pretty proud of the paint job.
Heres the Character, Shale...
Our pipe prop...
A still of the composited shot...
One of our main character possibilities...
Oh yea and let me tell you kiddies...when your only goal is to get one shot in the can...bad sh** can happen...
Posted: Sun, 5th Sep 2004, 9:47pm
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Where did u guys buy your green screen? or where can i find it at?
Posted: Sun, 5th Sep 2004, 11:45pm
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Stipek wrote:Where did u guys buy your green screen? or where can i find it at?
I would like to know too. And that stuff looks awsome!
Posted: Mon, 6th Sep 2004, 12:00am
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umm.... to me it just looks like a sheet of green paper from walmart. And I bet im not far off.
Posted: Mon, 6th Sep 2004, 3:48pm
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Lime green felt guys. Works PERFECT.