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Motion Ships

What do you think will be better?

AE59%[ 10 ]
Motion41%[ 7 ]

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Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 2:29pm

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Serpent

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Apple's Motion has finally shipped. Only 300$.

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Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 2:55pm

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Meh.
Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 2:59pm

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Shut up pooky, no one likes you. wink
Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 3:06pm

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Heh. Motion is just another AE-like prog. Only difference mainly is it's Apple, which is why so many people go "OMG OMG THIS IS DA BEST PROGRAM LOLZ!!". Sure, motion has some nice features, and it'll prolly be better than AE, but nothing to drool about. AE 7.0 will catch up, and get ahead even.

EDIT: Heh you added a poll.
Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 9:19pm

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Actually, I didn't think Motion's release was the best Apple news I heard today. Production Suite was.

Final Cut Pro HD (And all that it entails: Soundtrack, Livetype, Cinema Tools, Compressor, Quicktime Pro)
Motion
DVD Studio Pro

For $1299, that's pretty amazing.

Edit: Also, I think Motion will do some things as good as AE, some things better, and some things not as good.

The main argument I have is that since Adobe hates Apple for some reason, AE doesn't run as well as it could on Mac's. Motion is specifically for Mac, PLUS you can use AE filters/plugins with it. And without it's plugins, AE is not as all mighty as you think. It has it's perks, but for Mac users, I think Motion will be the way to go.

It's like how Premiere is probably the best editor you can use on PC, and FCP is the best on Mac.
Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 10:21pm

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Premiere is prob. the best for PC?

Wow, I got one good thing...

I second Aculag on that. And Pooky aswell. I find it funny to watch those demo videos that are of that conference in Las Vegas or w/e -- their on the apple website. EVeryone sounds like they are having heartattacks or something when he does something, then the burst into applause.

Andrew biggrin
Posted: Tue, 10th Aug 2004, 10:29pm

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Ah, yes. Motion. For all your pre-packaged visual design needs.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 1:15am

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I have no idea what's better, I have tried neither. As for Aculag's post, I did not see that news. So I am guessing I'll be goin' for AE then.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 1:36am

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get AE, be merry smile
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 1:41am

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Serpent wrote:

I have no idea what's better, I have tried neither. As for Aculag's post, I did not see that news. So I am guessing I'll be goin' for AE then.
If you're on a mac, maybe it'd be better to go for motion. Less expensive too, I think.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 1:59am

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Lol, way less. And why go for less good, look at the bloody polls. Stupid pooky rolleyes
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 2:02am

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Lol, I think the polls are more for AE 7.0. Get Motion.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 2:17am

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o_0
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 2:57am

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actully it does alot more then ae and is faster and also its a totaly different program then ae
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 3:04am

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Can Motion composite 3d rendered models?
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 3:07am

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I don't see why not.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 4:41am

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I do.

Motion exists as a program to put on visual style and flare to your projects. It's like what you see in a car commercial, where they have fancy titles and lots of movie clips playing side-by-side and whatnot.

If you want to do special effects, don't buy motion. The fact that it has templates describes the nature of this program perfectly. Buying motion for doing special effects and compositing would be like buying Adobe Illustrator to do photo editing. Yeah, you can make impressive visuals with Illustrator, but that's not the purpose of the program.

If you really love to design titles for your movie, then maybe you should consider motion. You still have to keep in mind, however, how much control you'll have over your project, and how much the program will try to do for you. It can be great at times, but sometimes you really need to take things into your own hands.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 5:04am

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OMFG An Apple Program! It's the best program ever!
*has a heart attack*

I haven't yet used motion, but I can tell you that after effects is a rather in depth application that I still haven't managed to figure out how to use.

I would comment further, but I think Sidewinder has covered everything.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 5:04am

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Have you used Motion, sidey?

While I don't believe it's going to change the world or anything, I do think none of us should really say anything until we've used it.

And serpent, you're going to choose what program to use based on what a poll here says? Ooooo.....Kaaaay...
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 5:12am

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No. No offense Aculag, but sometimes you take things the wrong way. I am not going to buy either at the moment, and I just heard that AE is better for what I want to do. I never said, "OK, this poll clearly says I need to buy AE, therefore, without further research, I shall buy it." All I am saying is, AE looks like it can do more and better things, for what I want to do.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 5:18am

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Serpent wrote:

Lol, way less. And why go for less good, look at the bloody polls. Stupid pooky rolleyes
Looks to me like you're basing your opinion on what the poll says.

No offense, but sometimes the way you say things comes across the wrong way. That or it doesn't, and I interpreted that the right way.

Saying "Why go for less good, look at the bloody polls" implies that the poll you have created said AE was better (even though it's tied now, I think), so why would anyone want to use Motion, which according to the poll, is clearly not as good.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 5:23am

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But one post will not make my final decision, I was mainly just joking on pooky. I would do a lot more research if I was, which I'm not, spending my money on something like this than one fxhome poll that has been up for less than a day, where most people haven't used Motion yet.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 5:28am

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yep wathch this demo http://www.apple.com/motion/video/
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 5:32am

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Yeah, that's old stuff.

Sidey, Premiere uses title templates for titles. That doesn't necessarily make it bad.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 10:05am

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Serpent i know what you want to do, and AE is for you.
The only thing that looks good is Realtime Primatte Keying biggrin weeeeee.
But thats the only thing. Get AE, motion is for Titles and Graphics not for Visualfx.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 11:07am

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what the... I mean what's the difference between ppro and ae (besides particle playground) - I can put several videos playing next to each other in pro and I can animate motion paths in pro. Come on - you don't need something called motion to use keyframes. Is this just me?!
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 1:39pm

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I haven't used the program, but I still spent time researching what it's about. Billy3d essentially summed up my point.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying that a lot of people seem to have the wrong idea about it.
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 2:49pm

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Ok, sorry, maybe I took you the wrong way. But see, the problem with me is I don't understand what the heck everyone is saying. What is Primatte keying?
Posted: Wed, 11th Aug 2004, 3:13pm

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Motion is mostly to design motion graphics. Something you can do with AE as well.

Yes there is templates in Motion but you can also tweak and create your own things from scratch without the templates, just like LiveType.

As for me I used to be heavily into AE. Since Final Cut Pro 4, I've managed to do everything I used to do in AE and more within FCP 4.

For all the Motion is just a bunch of templates naysayers:

http://www.creativecow.net/show.php?page=/articles/wiggins_peter/motion_rev/index.html