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Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 3:56am

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I need a new camera. not only is my current one crap, i just accidentally dropped it. it still works, but it goes blurry sometimes, and the screw hole at the bottom shot off. its really beat up.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21165&item=3833276942&rd=1

is this good? or does it look like a fraud? Do you think it will make a big difference if some of my movie is shot on an old, beat up digital 8 camera, and some is shot on this 3ccd gl1? Will i have to re-shoot all that i've done?

Please help me out. i need a new camera soon. thanks a lot.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 3:57am

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It's real, buy it.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:07am

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i already know what you think! you gave me the damn link! shut up. anyone else? razz
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:12am

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Keep in mind that by the time that camera ends its bidding, it will be up a lot higher, probably in the $1200-$1500 range. Is there any way you can fix your camera, or get it repaired? You can still get some decent quality footage from a Digital8 cam (I can pull rack focus shots pretty easily with mine). Also, I think it would be better to save up your money so that eventually you can get an even better camera, such as a GL2 or XL1s, rather than springing for a GL1.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:13am

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But a GL-1 is a good camera. And it is good enough for our age anyways.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:24am

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Yeah, I guess you're right, but what really distinguishes it over a Digital8 camera? Sure, it's has fairly better picture quality, and a somewhat bigger lens, but that is about all. You can still get depth of field shots with a Digital8 cam, and by lighting and color correcting, you can get the footage to look pretty good.

Obviously, I would rather have a GL1 than a Digital8. But if I was going to spend $1200 (or more) on a new camera, I would want to make sure I got one that would be worth my money.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:32am

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It depends on the Digital 8 camera. Pricewise, it depends on the seller. And, a Canon Gl-1 will last long, and has many cool features. And it is a 3ccd camera. And it's just awesome. wink I am getting one soon.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:40am

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The price on that auction is going to go much higher. sad

The GL1 is a great camera and you won't be sorry if you decide to upgrade. If you're going to be trying to edit a film together with a cheap digital8 and a gl1 then you're probably going to need some grading tools (shake, lustre, magic bullet, combustion, commotion, etc.)

Best of luck!
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:46am

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well see i don't want to get a very expensive camera. so im not saving my money for a good one. im saving it for a car or something.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:47am

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Heh, me too, I will end up with a clunker car, oh well. smile
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:50am

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what is the difference between a gl1 and a gl2?
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:56am

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ya Iwas lookin at trying to get a GL1 but ya ... for what they sell for you can get a GL2 for pretty much the same price. like I see the GL1s sell on eBay for like $1350 - $1800 ...and If you look online you'll find retailers sellinga brandnew GL2 for like $1800 - $2000 .... with a warranty and the starter packages.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 5:02am

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well there is a difference cutty. like 500 dollars. what is the difference in the two cameras? what in the gl2 is worth 500 dollars more?
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 12:21pm

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evman101 wrote:

well there is a difference cutty. like 500 dollars. what is the difference in the two cameras? what in the gl2 is worth 500 dollars more?
The GL2's low light capability was improved. That was probably the biggy as the GL1's low light was crap for a 1/4" 3 CCD. However, if you know how to light a scene, then that shouldn't matter too much. Only if you plan on run & gun shooting.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 4:19pm

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if i can con my dad into helping pay for it, then im thinking about this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20330&item=3833661557&rd=1

a scam? im not sure. 1 day left. 0 bids. help me out here guys.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 5:22pm

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I've used both, and I'll tell you that the difference between the GL-1 and the GL-2 is miniscule. (at least for the capabilities you need) I'd go with the cheaper one. Not much difference as far as basic quality.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 5:25pm

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what about features?
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 5:52pm

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why is it that all the people that get good cameras on here always ask if its good first?....are u really that lazy ..just go on google and look for reviews or go to camera websites and look up on it...if i was spending that much..i would look at every camera and know each camera in and out before i spend that much...i dont get it..some people on this site just say is this good? and then just buy it when they dont even know what they are getting.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 5:58pm

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A lot of reviews aren't reliable and a lot of people here have had first hand expierience with it. And, most reviews go into more technical things that we don't understand, where here people can put it in english.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 6:08pm

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yeah. what serpent said. I'm sorry for trusting you guys. geez. reviews online aren't always accurate. You guys seem to know much more than I or anyone else online do. I'm not lazy, im just careful. I also value first hand experiences. something that online reviews dont always have.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 6:11pm

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now ive heard that the gl1 doesn't work well under low light conditions. will this be a huge problem when filming shots that I cannot light?
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 6:29pm

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streetsk8erdc wrote:

why is it that all the people that get good cameras on here always ask if its good first?....are u really that lazy ..just go on google and look for reviews or go to camera websites and look up on it...if i was spending that much..i would look at every camera and know each camera in and out before i spend that much...i dont get it..some people on this site just say is this good? and then just buy it when they dont even know what they are getting.
I think this is a bit unfair. People use this forum for advice, the small print under the main heading is "Tips and tricks for making your films. Solutions to your software, hardware and filming problems.", people ( myself included ) do research through scores of web sites and mags, but it still helps to get advice from people who have actually used it for more than a few mins or hours to make a review.

Anyways, I have not used a GL1, but according to the official blurb 6 lux is the min. As to how much light you can provide for your shoots, only you can answer that, and in a way only you can decide if the added features are worth getting the newer model. Ask yourself how often you will be using the cam, and how often you will use the other features if at all, do you have any other hardware or software that could emulate these things? The decision is yours.....razz
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 6:43pm

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well you could of done a simple search on google and found this site http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/ ...theres a forum dedicated just to the gl1 and gl2....it has over 13000 posts in it....i bet you can find out whatever you wanna know about it on there
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 6:50pm

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Ok, that would have been a better reply than your first one.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 7:07pm

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Asked my dad for help buying it. he brought up a good point. whats to say that something else wont come out next year better than mini dv? at the rate everything is developing, a gl1 or even 2 could be outdated very soon. im in a fix because of my other cameras tripod screw issues and so forth that i need this soon. other wise i would wait till the next format.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 7:22pm

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If you can, you should see if you can try out a gl1 before buying it. See maybe if a rental store will let you shoot a bit of test footage in store and copy it onto your computer, or rent it for an hour for cheap to do a bit of filming. If you're going to spend $1000+ on a camera, it would be a good idea to know that you like the camera.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 7:36pm

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well your acting as if the gl1 and gl2 are the high end minidv cameras..they are actualy on the lower end..the pd-170, dvx-100a, and xl1s and xl2 are the high end minidv cameras...these cameras just came out and are going to be the highend for a while..the minidv format will last a pretty good amount more time....the HDV is the new format but many people do not like it because of its compression and difficulty editing it....so i dont think you should not buy a camera because you are afraid another format will come out..cuz that wont be the case for a while now..
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 7:43pm

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Well, evman and I are both 14-15 years old. I don't think we need a high end camera, jusrt a good one. Look how far Ryan Wieber got. He now works for Lucas Arts, it's not the camera that makes the film maker. Although good quality is good, this is good enough.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 8:37pm

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streetsk8erdc wrote:

they are actualy on the lower end..the pd-170, dvx-100a, and xl1s and xl2 are the high end minidv cameras...these cameras just came out and are going to be the highend for a while
dont forget the vx2100e, dude wink I'v heard that the XM1 has better manual controles? Also the both the XM1 and 2 have a very plasticy body and are easily damaged. Where as you can drop a vx2000 and it still ticks.


streetsk8erdc wrote:

the HDV is the new format but many people do not like it because of its compression and difficulty editing it....so i dont think you should not buy a camera because you are afraid another format will come out..cuz that wont be the case for a while now..
I dont think that will be the problem for long. Some one will definatley come out with solution, which might be to directly record to a harddisk from the cam, within the firewire benchmarks. But it'll still take a few while before HDV cams to reach where minidv cams are now. Dont worry, get a XM2. Talk to slick, he's just got a XM2.




Besides from everything, after talking to loads of people.
During day light conditions, the XM2 and VX2100 give similar results, but the vx2100 has a few advantages
But during low light conditions, the VX2100 kicks XM2's butt.
When Ryan got his XM1, it was a good 3ccd cam. Now its the XM2.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 8:51pm

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And remember, just because there may be something better later on doesn't mean that the old ones will go bad. Unless the standards for ALL of the TVs and ALL of the theaters and ALL of the cameras in the world goes to HD or something else that is not yet widespread, then a GL2 will be of the same value and necessity that it is today. Just like the revolution of DVD. Now DVDs are the standard for video, rather than VHS. But instances like this (DVD practically completely replacing VHS) are VERY rare, though it is bound to happen eventually, for probably the first quarter of your life the GL@ or the GL1 or other MiniDV camera will remain useful, not obsolete.
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 8:57pm

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Woah, ben, you hit it on the dot, and made me feel vbetter for buyin' a $1,000 camera. Hey billy, I wonder why you think a VX2100e is good. wink
Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 11:05pm

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All this talk about GL1's and GL2's....check out my camera.

Sony Cybershot 3.2 Mega Pixle

Yea, I know you all are thinking it's imposible to film anything with it and your right. Though the memory card does have 42 sec of filming time on it, I am currently in the market for something a little better. smile

-Joel

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Posted: Sun, 15th Aug 2004, 11:57pm

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You really should make a movie with it. Just shoot 42 seconds worth of footage, import it to your computer, and do it again. I've been wanting to shoot something using something like that for a while. DO IT.
Posted: Tue, 17th Aug 2004, 4:38am

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i think i am subliminally trying to destroy my old camera completely just so i can get a new one... check out this stabalizer test footage i just shot...

http://www.de-evolutionstudios.com/Clips/SF%20lr.avi
Posted: Tue, 17th Aug 2004, 7:15pm

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HAH! lol as far as a new format coming out. ... MiniDV has been tested and its quality, proven. ... remember 8-Tracks smile Buy a nice miniDV camera now and you'll still be able to make movies with it 4 years from now smile with relatively high quality smile Things don't get worse...just better. So if you think its great now...whats gonna stop it from being great. Depending upon your style of shooting you might love it and not want to get the newer video cam. I just bought a 30 yr old Super 8 Film camera because I think it is amazingly cool. smile
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I was actually gonna get a GL2, but cuz of some misconceptions i got the vx2100. After shooting some night footage i was amazed!! Seriously, pickup a vx2100, go outside at night, fiddle with a few settings, and shoot. The results are amazing. GL2 is not as good as the Vx2k1 in lowlight conditions. Also the Vx2k1 has 3CCD 1/3 biggrin where as i think the GL2 has 3CCD 1/4
Posted: Tue, 31st Aug 2004, 1:54am

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now im going for a new gl2 cause my dad doesn't want me buying used equipment.

I can't find this site on resellerratings.com -

http://www.priceritephoto.com/priceritephoto/itemdesc.asp?CartId=%7B89CA3753-4D99-EVEREST46AC-BC99-6B0C0B801698%7D&ic=CN7920A001

Anyone know if its fake or not?
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I'm gonna go towards yes, but you should check their customer feedback before you make a serious decision. Their are alot of sites out there, and they sell the camera at the same price. Try looking and comparing it to other sites. www.bhphotovideo.com is a good, reliable site, check there first, I know a guy who works for them. smile Hope your camera transaction goes smoothly, and you make some good FXH submissions with it.
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B & H photo is out of stock of that item.

Anyone know if this site is reliable? If not, any other sites that have the same price?
Posted: Tue, 31st Aug 2004, 2:43am

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evman101 wrote:

B & H photo is out of stock of that item.

Anyone know if this site is reliable? If not, any other sites that have the same price?
Never heard of it, but it looks fairly reliable. You should wait as long as you can, and see if B & H gets it. They are reliable, for sure. (and fairly affordable)
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They are not affordable, and, how does it "look reliable." Woah, good web design, nice pics, good price! It must be real.
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Serpent wrote:

They are not affordable, and, how does it "look reliable." Woah, good web design, nice pics, good price! It must be real.
That sold me. I mean, you'd have to be an idiot not to think that that's real....because everyone knows that having a friend in web design who makes a good looking page for your bootleg site makes you completely legit.
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are there any other sites besides resellerratings.com? I found this site on a price comparison from videomaker.com.
Posted: Tue, 31st Aug 2004, 9:15pm

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http://videomaker.pricegrabber.com/rating_getreview.php/retid=958

hmm... there are a lot of good reviews, but there are also some really bad ones. Anyone know anything? This is really killing me.
Posted: Tue, 31st Aug 2004, 10:04pm

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evman101 wrote:

now im going for a new gl2 cause my dad doesn't want me buying used equipment.
If you want to save a few bucks, you could always try and make due with the new Panasonic PV-GS400. Picture is almost as good since its a 3 CCD camcorder. The GL2 has 1/4 inch CCD's while the GS400 has 1/4.7inch CCD's. So lowlight is not as good.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-PV-GS400-Camcorder-Review.htm

Up in Canada, the Canon GL2 goes for $2999 CDN. The Panasonic GS400, $2299 CDN. One thing that people forget in factoring into the cost of the camcorder is the cost of the accessories; batteries, battery rechargers and lens filters.

I myself have been at a struggle; go for a Sony VX2100, with its great lowlight or get two Panasonic GS400's. They both add up to the same cost up here. I know how to light a scene, so lowlight is not a major factor. The benefit of two camcorders is that it can cut time. For example; filming a dialogue scene, over the shoulder, you can get the entire dialogue in one take with both camcorders since each cam is getting the other actor. Alternatively, when doing a two-shot. You can cover your bases, one cam getting a medium shot of the two actors, while the other cam is getting a much wider shot. The Sony VX2100 has one thing going for it though...low light. Run & gun shooting. It can make due with less then desirable shooting conditions better then either the GS400 or GL2.