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Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 3:45am

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ben3308

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I just recently got word that for our promo film we are doing that everything was approved- even the extra XL1S that some of you all mentioned for me to ask for. Here's part of what he said, "The equipment that you listed with the 2 XL1s are very good for documentary and startup film making. I think those are good choices because of
their light weight and day light resolution. They will also do well in
warmly lit environments. Long term for big filmmaking you'll want something that has larger ccd's. The cannon has 1/3" CCDs and 1/2 to 2/3 gives sharper images and can operate in low light better.
The other thing to consider in the long run is sound quality. You can
put the sound right in the cannon but for more involved work you'll want to
mix the sound on a sound board like a Mackie 16 channel that will allow to
have more sound inputs and greater control over the sound quality. This
will also allow you to output a final mixed sound to the camera and a backup to a recorder of some type. Then you can edit the sound file and drop it on the time line of your NLE package."

If you've found this disinteresting, then I'm sorry to waste forum space, but this approval of BOTH cameras has just made my day. P.S. (I cut some of the message for logistical reasons, so if some of the quote is out of context, I'm sorry.)
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Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:11am

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Congratulations! I used an XL1s once, and I fell in love with it, mostly because of its form factor and weight. Unfortunately, I have to get it the hard way (working for it). But I hope you and atom learn a lot with all the professional equipment that you'll be using. And of course, don't forget that you two are just about the luckiest amateur filmmakers alive! biggrin
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:15am

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Yeah, I am psyched out completely! This means I'm gonna have to work on the preliminary script and storyboards immediately, and get a good grasp of MY filming technique if you know what I mean. I want to make this one stand out. As for showing it on FXHome, we could probably show some postproduction footage, just not the final cut. I'll keep you guys posted!
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:17am

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grrrr.... its not fair. how do you just randomly get several xl1s' for free while im stuck paying for a gl1 all by myself. more importantly, how did you get this job? no offense, but yours and atoms cinema submissions have not been good, and I am kinda ticked that you can randomly receive those cameras for free just like that, while we have to actually... um... i dunno... WORK for our stuff!
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:28am

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Oh, what does it matter? A nice camera isn't everything. In fact, you'll probably be better off if you learn how to operate a bottom line minidv camera effectively (getting techniques for pulling focus, framing your shots well, etc) and then moving up to a better camera. Just because you have an XL1s doesn't mean your footage is going to look better than footage shot with a Digital8 camera.

And no offence ben either, but it sounds like you're kinda lost on what to do with a good camera. Obviously, over time you will learn how to effectively use the XL1s, but don't get down if your footage doesn't look super cinematic the first time you use it.

And I don't want to harbor any bad feelings, evman, but your stuff hasn't been top notch either. They're okay, and I haven't actually seen ben and atom's stuff, but it's not like you deserve to get a camera more than they do. And they aren't better filmmakers just because they have nicer cameras, either. Although, now that I think about it, it is a bit unfair. smile
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:33am

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i know my stuff isn't good. thats why I said "us" as most people here are pining for a camera like that. what also ticks me off is that im spending a lot of money and working real hard all summer and fall to get a camera. and he doesn't even have to do anything at all! i know the camera doesn't make the movie, but its a matter of princible. would you want to work your ass off all that time and then have some guy who keeps saying hes a great filmmaker but has yet to prove it come along and get 2 things that are better than the one you are getting for free? I don't think you would be very happy.

sorry if im sounding like a real ass right now, but im sort of ticked at a lot of things right now. and this didn't help.
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:35am

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Make sure to let us know what kind of toilet tissue you use tomorrow.
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:36am

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Yeah. It IS unfair, I'll admit. Life's unfair. Deal with it. It was partially attributed to the connections I had, partially attributted to my films, and partially attributed to the luck of the draw. And I just happened to get noticed. I'm sorry YOU didn't get picked for the job, but they wanted US for the job. Not you. BIG difference. Did they want us for the quality of our films (not that much there, heh smile ), our (or I should say, "MY") unique style, or were we just convenient, local filmmakers who could relate to the target audience because the target audience was our peers. Who knows? The point is, WE GOT PICKED. And that's just how it is. It may be unfair. But that's how it is.

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Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:36am

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scott. just like my last name.
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:38am

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I know that. duh. But that doesn't mean I can be really pissed off at you while I mow, rake, plow, aerate, shovel, babysit, and pet sit my way to pay for my 1 out of date camera...
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:38am

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evman101 wrote:

scott. just like my last name.
Okay, okay, um.............what?

EDIT: And how do you know that I haven't worked? I've worked HARD to get the equipment that I have now. I've made promos that I spent a week on but never got released. I've put blood, sweat, and tears into projects that neveer got greenlighted. All for the sake of filmmaking. I have worked, and though I may not deserve an XL1s for it, I haven't just sat around doing nothing my whole life.

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Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:40am

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Aculag wrote:

Make sure to let us know what kind of toilet tissue you use tomorrow.
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:45am

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oh, and honestly ben, if you were in our position, you would be peeved too and wouldn't be saying all this stuff about unfairness. then again, I wouldn't blast it all over the forums. wink
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:50am

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And have I ever once said that I was better than everyone, or ever acted cocky or arrogant? No. (Well, maybe, but I was blinded by my ego then and i don't remember when i said that, so please don't quote me if I have said sometihng cocky) All this bragging has been atom. See for yourself. I have made no such claims to glamour. And the cinema submissions haven't been mine, they've been atom's. (Well, I filmed the Odyssey, but that kinda doesn't count) So don't go acting all perturbed at me when I haven't said anything wrong. And I''m sure that about an hour from now atom's gonna read this, rate me down (brotherly love hugegrin ), and form a rebuttal. Do I care? No. Because I know he likes to get on his high horse at times and then acts all defensive when people get angry at him. So there's what I have to say for now.
Good Lcuk Filmmaking!
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:54am

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heh. you said not to quote anything, so I won't. spare us the details about you and your brother's homelife too. k? save it for the chatroom. wink
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 7:10am

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ben3308 wrote:

I just recently got word that for our promo film we are doing that everything was approved- even the extra XL1S that some of you all mentioned for me to ask for. Here's part of what he said, "The equipment that you listed with the 2 XL1s are very good for documentary and startup film making. I think those are good choices because of
their light weight and day light resolution. They will also do well in
warmly lit environments. Long term for big filmmaking you'll want something that has larger ccd's. The cannon has 1/3" CCDs and 1/2 to 2/3 gives sharper images and can operate in low light better.
The other thing to consider in the long run is sound quality. You can
put the sound right in the cannon but for more involved work you'll want to
mix the sound on a sound board like a Mackie 16 channel that will allow to
have more sound inputs and greater control over the sound quality. This
will also allow you to output a final mixed sound to the camera and a backup to a recorder of some type. Then you can edit the sound file and drop it on the time line of your NLE package."
Hey congrats man! I've used XL1s on a movie shoot. I liked the weight and the form factor. The only thing I didn't like was the stock lens that is sold with them. Sucks. Luckily, the company had a manual zoom lens which rocks!
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 7:31am

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evman101 wrote:

grrrr.... its not fair. how do you just randomly get several xl1s' for free while im stuck paying for a gl1 all by myself. more importantly, how did you get this job? no offense, but yours and atoms cinema submissions have not been good, and I am kinda ticked that you can randomly receive those cameras for free just like that, while we have to actually... um... i dunno... WORK for our stuff!
First thing you'll learn very quickly about this industry...it's all in the connections that you have and the connections that you can make.

Two years ago, I was a guy toying with the idea of doing a stage acting course in university. I always dreamed of being a big time movie director or a screenplay writer. But when you're in a small town in Canada, you think that's impossible and will never happen.

At the present time... I have a post-production credit in a local movie that will soon hit the film festivals, I have had a freelance reporter gig with a local CBC television station, a documentary that me and three of my classmates made just got screened at the Portobello Film festival in London, England, I just got a meaty-sized supporting role in a short that's going to be shot and will eventually make runs in the film festival racket, and I'm in serious talks with a production company here about employment (fingers crossed).

How did this happen for me? Simple. I went to school and got a silly piece of paper saying that I'm qualified for this stuff. On the surface, it doesn't seem like much, but that piece of paper will get you through the doorway much quicker.

I really really really hope that none of you think that by making a couple of silly knock off action flicks will get you in. It's going to take a bit more than that. But some of you got real talent. And some of you will make it in some capacity, whether as actual filmmakers or as post-production team members.

Just keep your head on what's important. The work that you can do. Crying about who gets what won't get you anywhere.
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 10:28am

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a good camera, may it be the XM1,2 XL1, VX2k1, will not make your work excellent. Maybe you'll be able to pull better key's, color grade better. But if your story and idea sucks your work will suck. biggrin ex: matrix sequels wink
EDIT: I'm not say that you guys cant do it. I'v seen it happening, you tend to do much better work when your doing it for someone else. Best Of Luck! and post somthing bout it while your at it biggrin

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Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 10:50am

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Congratulations Ben!
I wish you the best of luck with your project. Getting the equipment is great but getting the experience and making the most of it is even more important.

As Sigerson said, getting work is all about connections, you've worked on that and got an oppurtunity to raise your filming to a higher level than before. Good luck and one lesson to be learned is that whatever you do in in life there will always be people who are are defeatists or jealous. Don't waste creative time being bothered by them.
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 3:08pm

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As some people have said, I am not a defeatist. I must admit that I was very ticked off last night about many things and reading just how lucky some one can randomly get for no reason really ticked me off. now I'm even more ticked off because the auction of the camera I wanted to get got closed down because the guy didn't think he was going to get enough money.

Alright, no offense or anything Ben, but I was also kind of getting annoyed with somethings that you have done. It seems that everytime something happens in your life, we hear about it. Some things you should keep to yourself. If you had posted this with out posting all that other stuff, then maybe I wouldn't have exploded like I did.

Since things are going really horribly for me after months and months of working on shorts and features, im beginning to think that this world isn't about talent, and just if you are in the right place at the right time. This kinda makes me sad to know this, because if I have the talent, and I'm never in the right place, then im pretty much screwed. Just to see you randomly have things going so well for you and me be struggling at every turn is really a punch in the stomach, and I felt like punching back.

If you don't care about my worries, sorry to waste space, but I just have to let this out. sad
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 3:25pm

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evman101 :
Talent is one part of the equation when trying to build a career in anything. It's a big part, but other factors including being able to network help your get to meet the right people who can help you go on to do new things. And, yes, luck can play a part but ultimately we all make our own luck and so it's not worth worrying about what others have.

People skills are a major factor in helping any career.

I hope you take my comments in the spirit they were written and I wish you all the best with your movies.

Mantra
Posted: Sat, 21st Aug 2004, 4:13pm

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Mantra: That's exactly why I think these people picked me to do this- my people skills. Simply put, I'm nice to people and I can deal with people who aren't nice.

Billy3d: Yeah, I know that the filmmaker makes the film, not the camera, of course. I've used Gl2s and GL1s for promos before and I had no special expectations for how different everything was gonna look in the final cut. All I did differently when using the GL2 was tweak a few of the camera settings here and there to make the shot look right. I just thought the whole time, "They hired me for MY style, and that's what I'll give them." I didn't feel any better or worse of a filmmaker using a better camera. I just felt that if I dropped it, I'd be in deep crap. (The school district had purchased it for broadcasting video at certain schools, but people AT those schools were pretty stupid- story of my life- and didn't know how to work the camera at all. So, they rented it out to me. smile ) Oh, and the Matrix spoof was a bad initial idea, but don't diss the script! I wrote it and it KICKED @$$! hehehe.

sigerson: I'm glad we both got (or get) to use XL1S's. smile I did take time in making my connections. I just work at things. For example, I signed up for a during school art program during eighth grade, mentioned to our lead docent (who happened to be pretty high up in museum staff) that I was into film the first day at the useum, and my friends were all around me like, "Oh, yeah, he's awesome! He makes movies!"; and by about the third visit to the museum- 6 weeks later- the docent came up to me and was like, we are going to go to this artist's studio, and I've told the artist about you and he says we can't go unless you document the whole thing. I was like, "Whoa." And so, I filmed the whole 'behind-the-scenes artist' thing, edited it, and- before getting my blessed DVD burner- burned a Video CDof the final promo documentary. They said they were going to show it on a projector in the artist's exhibition looping over and over so everyone could see it. Well, I get there the day after the exhibition opens and they say that they only played it for one day and that was it. sad So I'm pretty mad about that, but that's just one more connection. Also, as it turns out, my grandmother- whom to which I owe my film career- knew the artist and she had told him about me as well. This is also how I got the new promo gig. My grandmother talked to this guy who was doing a film for her office about me an he was anxious to meet us. Well, we did meet- in the corner of a scuzzy McDonalds in downtown Dallas- with two dell notebooks, two sony cameras, and the guy had brought an XL1S with a pro lense. That must've been a sight to see: Two white kids fiddling with laptops while a big black guy messses with a huge camera, while an old lady shouts at the custodial staff. Heh. Well, this guy let us try out his XL1S, showed us ALL of his video equipment (in his van, not in the McDonalds) and let us test out some of it, like Varizoom controllers and wireless lapels. So recently this guy contacted us and he brought a producer with him, and we got the job. I call that connection number 2. Heh. Whoa. I wrote for a long time.

evman101: I understand what you're saying man. I know how you feel. I've been wanting to do my movie Atom for two years but I have yet to produce the funds. (Actually, I did do a clinical study for the drug advair and i got 800 bucks, but thats another story. smile ) So I can understand when you've been mowing lawns forever (I've been doing that too while atom sits inside doing nothing) to produce enough money to buy a camera, then I get one for free. Here's the thing, I have enough money to buuy the camera, my parents just never let me buy anything with any of my money. In fact, they spend it sometimes. sad

Okay well thats just what I have to say for now, and of course,
Good Luck Filmmaking!
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i'm talking bout Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions wink
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shoulda got dvx-100a's.......im really confused about how you are doing "promos" and having buisness meetings in mcdonalds with laptops when ure just like a small kid....it makes me laugh...i agree with everyone else about how its crazy and stupid that ure just getting handed 2 xl1s....but recently after me and my freind mailed a letter to my dads rich freind basicaly asking for money for a camera..the guy responded and said hed buy the dvx-100a for us....but then my dad said no and said ii have to pay for half sad (1600) ....its still cool but i doubt ill be able to get 1600 saved up..i hate my dad
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I find it a little bit ironic that you consider ben "a small kid", when I doubt that you are much older than 17 or 18. And you're pretty lucky that you could get a dvx 100a for $1600. You should at least try to get that much money. confused
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streetsk8erdc wrote:

shoulda got dvx-100a's.......im really confused about how you are doing "promos" and having buisness meetings in mcdonalds with laptops when ure just like a small kid....it makes me laugh...i agree with everyone else about how its crazy and stupid that ure just getting handed 2 xl1s....but recently after me and my freind mailed a letter to my dads rich freind basicaly asking for money for a camera..the guy responded and said hed buy the dvx-100a for us....but then my dad said no and said ii have to pay for half sad (1600) ....its still cool but i doubt ill be able to get 1600 saved up..i hate my dad
You're calling us little kids, and then you're all like "my dad said no, so I can't get it" That makes you seem pretty kiddish if you ask me.
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atom used my username to type. I didn't write that post above, streetsk8erdc.
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So you guys are impersonating...eachother?
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You guys need to pay attention to that. smile
Posted: Sun, 22nd Aug 2004, 3:00am

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Um...what? No, we were just using the same computer to post on and I forgot to logout. Simple mistake.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Aug 2004, 7:58am

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ben3308 wrote:



You're calling us little kids, and then you're all like "my dad said no, so I can't get it" That makes you seem pretty kiddish if you ask me.
well im 17...my dad is freinds with the guy....the guy basicaly asked my dad if he could send me the camera...but my dad said he didnt want him to...i didnt ask my dad for anything...