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Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 2:55am

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After the highly disputed debate over the thread "Me and My Friends", many were left annoyed and angered. However, my friend and fellow FXHomers, chase and SNI BRI, deserve better than that, not having as long a track record as I do. smile They have worked with me and ben3308 pain-stakingly hard in this film. I beg of you to please give this video a chance, as it is not mine, and does not deserve to passed by.

This is the first "real" teaser trailer for Atomic Productions upcoming psychotic thriller, "The Friendship"

www.dennisandronnie.com/atom/friendship_teaser.wmv
(VERY special thanks to Aculag for his helpful insight and web hosting)

This teaser was edited, primarily, by Chase Arrington, better known as chase. Filming and location scouting was done off and on by both myself (atom) and my fellow brother ben. (ben3308) Finally, this production was masterfully directed by our very own Brian Hunt, (SNI BRI) who wonderfully captivated the true terror of the real fight for survival. Kudos to all, and I hope you enjoy this teaser!

Please feel free to comment and/or rate this teaser in your post! smile

-Andrew (atom) Adams

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Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:05am

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Rating: +1

I actually liked this film a lot. It shows that you guys can do better than what you posted in the past (Matrix, Odyssey) and it looks like a nice story (something peeps should focus on more.) I can't wait until the movie comes out. Though I really hate Windows Media Player. 4 because it was just a trailer. But this puts your other films to shame and looks suprisingly good.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:12am

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I posted something before, but now that I have gone back and looked at it again, I found out the answer to some of my questions.

It is not good that I didn't get it the first time, but at least I did get it.

I still think that the overall plot of the story is kinda shrouded. It still didn't make much sense to me. It is a vast improvement over your other work.

The random shot where the guy is screaming "Chase" and it zooms out didn't make any sense. I am still unsure whether I will be watching this film because it still isn't that great.

3/5 from me. (I rated it 2 already, but I changed my vote after a second viewing.)

P.S. - I hope that wasn't you guys who rated it a five... wink
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:18am

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evman101 wrote:

I posted something before, but now that I have gone back and looked at it again, I found out the answer to some of my questions.

It is not good that I didn't get it the first time, but at least I did get it.

I still think that the overall plot of the story is kinda shrouded. It still didn't make much sense to me. It is a vast improvement over your other work.

The random shot where the guy is screaming "Chase" and it zooms out didn't make any sense. I am still unsure whether I will be watching this film because it still isn't that great.

3/5 from me. (I rated it 2 already, but I changed my vote after a second viewing.)

P.S. - I hope that wasn't you guys who rated it a five... wink
Yea, we all thought that shot kinda looked awkward, but its necessary once you see the movie. The random guy is Brian. (SNI BRI) That wasnt me and ben who voted a five. For once, somebody actually 'likes' our stuff. Get used to it. J/k. Please feel free to vote and commeny! All criticism (if constructive) is welcome!

EDIT: Hey, ev. Your vote is still a 2, man. Please try to fix that.

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Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:22am

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Okay I gave the traile a five, but atom didn't. I wanted to see the poll results so far, and I know that this is at least a four, but in my opinion its a five. So I voted it a five and I'm sorry.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:24am

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Well, you can always click on view votes without actually voting... Just a thought, and a good one too.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:27am

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I never knew that. Seriously. Just like I never knew you could delete a post.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:37am

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I can't change my vote. I don't think, just use your imagination.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:40am

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"atom Grumpy! B-WAAAAAHHHHHH!" *atom turns green, eyes dilate, muscles burst, shirt rips*

Ask an admin. to change it or something. Hey! Get Mister Pencil to vote! That'll make it fair, sorta. smile
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:43am

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Rating: +1

You know what I think. Fix the audio for the first couple lines of dialogue, and let us see the actor's names for a bit longer.

Not going to rate this "film" since it's just a trailer.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:43am

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evman101 wrote:

I am still unsure whether I will be watching this film because it still isn't that great.
What? You don't think this is great? What? How can you not? I personally find this awesome. Calling this a non-great thing is like, like, um.....(thinks of a good comeback)....calling Sollthar an idiot! Yeah! Calling this non-great is like calling Sollthar an idiot. Perfectly unflawed analogy right there. wink

EDIT: Yeah the audio was a problem. I'd recorded some random ambient noise for the first couple of shots where the psychiatrist is talking to overlay, but they didn't sound good. And so we had some ambient noise in some shots and some not in some shots. So, when editing the trailer (in the movie I'll actually fix the audio track in an audio composing app) we had to bring down the volume on those first couple of clips by a lot so you weren't deafened by ambient noise. I know thats a problem, it just didn't seem like too big of an issue considering the overall quality of the trailer.

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Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:44am

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hmmm.... right ben... right.

I don't see what the big deal is, you know I gave it a 3 in my head, and so does everyone else.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:48am

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Is this movie like Battle Royal UK?
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:56am

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Not really. Battle Royal UK is a masterpeice, and should not be copied, so NO this is not like BRUK. In a sense, it is a fight for survival, but it doesn't follow the same premise. Plus, Brian had this idea before BRUK was released, so I guess Chuter and Brian's minds were on a similar train of thought, but definately not the same. smile
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 3:57am

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Kind of, as in the overall plot is similar, but the storyline is quite different. I've been asked not to reveal anything about the story, so I won't give anything away, but all I have to say is- notice that the guy is pulling something out of a really bloody, swollen leg. I have a feeling that may or may not be a crucial part of the movie. *WINK WINK* wink
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:04am

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Rating: +1

I agree with aculag on the names and audio, but this actually looks really superb. this is one Im looking forward to. as a trailer, id give this a 4.5, which translates to a 5
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:06am

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Why thank you. +1 for you Waser. smile
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:07am

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not sure if that's in the true nature of the rating system, but thanks surprised
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:12am

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It's not, but seeing as I paid for half of my bro's Gold Account, I would like to rate somebody for a change. smile Plus, I would advise people to view your post as it was positive and constructive and is the perfect template for how everybody should post.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:15am

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how? To say only good things about a person's movie so that they don't get their feelings hurt? wink
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:16am

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lets be fair here evman, I was being honest. I think this trailer made the movie look really good, something I think looks unique to FXHome.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:20am

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I was only joking. Hence the " wink "
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:21am

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To me, this movie looks like it has elements that are similar to that of "The Hole", which is a great thriller, by the way, despite being a tad predictable.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:22am

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I was joking a little, though my response was honest my reaction wasn't. heh, ill remember the wink next time surprised
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 4:34am

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When this movie hits the cinema, do you think we should have the trailer as a downloadable file? Or do you think the trailer should have its own cinema selection? If you think the trailer should be a submission on its own then please be sure to vote on it as well when it appears in the cinema. smile
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 5:05am

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in my opinion, I think you should have it is a downloadable file with the full movie, as I usually don't like trailers in my cinema, but that's just me, and I think allot of people disagree. when I release the movie Im working on now, we will release the trailer in the general forum, then the movie with it in the cinema
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 5:06am

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Rating: +1

Hey this is Brian the director for the film. I just wanted to say that I really am grateful for the imput that you have bestoed on this film. It will be very helpful for me as a director to know what the final tweaks we have left are. We are almost completly done on this project and we are extremly excited about it. We believe that this is our finest productions thus far and we only plan to take it to the next level with each accuring film we produce. There is definite reason for the shots we used through out the film which become more apparent as the movie itself progresses. We hope that you will tell other members of fxhome.com of this film so we can have a wide range of things to draw from for our final cut. If you feel negitive towards the film. We ask that you phase it in a way that is formidble to us so that we will take it as criticism and not a insult. Again I thank you for watching this picture and your votes mean alot to us. Thanks.

Brian (Director - Actor)
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 5:44am

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Hey this is Ben the "other" director of the film. (The Director of Photography, that is. smile ) It seems that by now on FXHome the 'director' of a film is the one who shoots it and provides the camera. This is a common misconception. While I shot it and provided the camera(s) I'm not the director. I didn't take the actors aside and coach them on how to fully express their emotions in the script. I didn't try to help people get the 'feel' of their character. And I didn't have the courage to stand up to and address actors older than myself. Brian did. So kudos to Brian for showing some skills in this movie. While I am slightly dissappointed that I'm not directing this feature, I couldn't be happier with the result, and it rivals the all of the entirety of our films. I think everyone will end up liking this film once it eventually hits the cinema. Until then, enjoy the trailer!
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 5:54am

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Atom told me "chase" directed the movie. Someone is lying.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 5:56am

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That'd be atom. wink Chase edited THIS trailer, but on the scale of the movie, Chase solely acted. Maybe atom mispoke; but it is quite apparent that Brian directed.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 9:19am

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Well, it looked okay, although what I watched played without sound. The shots were nice and clear and despite not being able to hear anything I at least got a sense of SOMETHING happening ...

My original point still stands, though - If you've got the footage for a movie, why not finish and show the movie rather than keep throwing trailers at us?

And if you have voted yourself a five, don't. If you do deserve it it shows a lack of humilty and if you don't it demonstrates an inability to judge your own work, and in either instance it reflects badly on you.

And I'm not voting because it's a trailer.

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Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 9:46am

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it was okay. Nice tho biggrin Keep making filmz and you'll get better.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 1:35pm

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After some advice from some parents, we actually posted this to kind of make a focus group type environment to see what people liked and didn't like for the movie, so we could angle parts of the movie towards what people liked. Thats why I PMed about 11 people who have been slightly critical of my work in the past so that they could view it, tell me what to fix, what parts were good, and then I could make the movie so that THEY would like it, along with everyone else. So PLEASE rate the trailer. Don't think of it as rating, think of it as telling us how much we need to fix, that way, we can transfer you thoughts and comments to the final film. We're hoping to get alot more filming done today afterschool, but it may end up being too dark. We'll see. Expect to see the final product soon!
Kind Regards,
Ben Adams
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Oh, please ... speaking as one of the Hallowed Eleven I wasn't slightly critical - I was EXTREMELY critical.

I finally got the trailer working with sound, and it's okay - although the Doogie Howser Psychiatist is just a bit hard to swallow.

Just finish it and stick it up, and then wait and see.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 10:09pm

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stqagehanduk wrote:

Oh, please ... speaking as one of the Hallowed Eleven I wasn't slightly critical - I was EXTREMELY critical.
Finally! Thats all I wanted to hear! Nah, stagey, thanks. smile Thank you for looking at this with an open mind. However, I have to disagree with you on the "showing a trailer before the movie is posted" thing. I don't know how I would feel if I hadn't seen the Toy Wars Trailers and clips, or where I would be if I hadn't seen any of NoControl's NightCast stuff. (GASP!) Just my own personal preference, though, that's all.

stqagehanduk wrote:

I finally got the trailer working with sound, and it's okay - although the Doogie Howser Psychiatist is just a bit hard to swallow.
Ha! Its funny you say that, because that's exactly what I thought. At first. The actor who plays the psychiatrist is VERY good at his role. We really didn't think he could pull it off, but once the glasses and blue blazer went on, it was if Dr. Phil was in the room! (Ba-Dump-TSSHH!)

stqagehanduk wrote:

Just finish it and stick it up, and then wait and see.
Yeah, man thus has been a sweet project to work on, I'm definatley not going to quit. The full-length film will be up ASAP.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 10:16pm

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Aculag wrote:

You know what I think. Fix the audio for the first couple lines of dialogue, and let us see the actor's names for a bit longer.

Not going to rate this "film" since it's just a trailer.
Thank you Aculag, I agree that the audio needs some work, but i edited this on Windows Movie Maker and it wont let you do more than a fade on a audio track. I'm working on getting Pinnacle or Vegas or SOMETHING OTHER THAN FREAKIN WMM. I appreciate your input.

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Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2004, 10:27pm

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hmm. If you want this movie to be better, I suggest using a better editor. Don't atom and or ben have a better editor than wmm? If so, then maybe they should edit or something. Or at least go over to their house and edit there.
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chase wrote:

Aculag wrote:

You know what I think. Fix the audio for the first couple lines of dialogue, and let us see the actor's names for a bit longer.

Not going to rate this "film" since it's just a trailer.
Thank you Aculag, I agree that the audio needs some work, but i edited this on Windows Movie Maker and it wont let you do more than a fade on a audio track. I'm working on getting Pinnacle or Vegas or SOMETHING OTHER THAN FREAKIN WMM. I appreciate your imput.
Yeah, chase is stuck with WMM. That's why we mainly edit in my Pinnacle or Ben's Vegas. This just goes to show you the great things you can do with Windows Movie Maker. (even if it is just a peice of crap on wheels)
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The biggest problem is that chase has WMM and firewire and we have Moviestar, Vegas, and Pinnacle 7 and 9; and we're stuck with freaking Dazzle. And Chase's computer has problems installing any of those programs. Normally, we'd just sacrifice some of the video quality through the the capture process so that we could edit on the system we wanted. More often than not, we'd edit on Pinnacle (ugghhh....Vegas is WAAAYYYYY better!), hence Andrew (the Pinnacle guru) commonly took the role as editor, but I just recently discovered the resplendent awesomeness of VEGAS!!!!! About about a year after I bought it, I saw it in the bottom of the programs list. How had I neglected to open this program? Surely it must have SOMETHING to offer. So, I opened it, and viola! The Eye Reflection Test was born. And I KNOW that that was good. So I think if Andrew and Chase and Brian let me do this, I'd enjoy editing on Vegas. 9my only problem is space. I have a 30GB HD with 1.2GB free. And I can't delete anything at the moment. Nor can I burn to DVD. Andrew likes to refer to my computer as having cancer. Heh. I'll have to get a new computer soon, cause this one is just giving out: the battery, the power cable, the combo drive, the keyboard, the synaptics mmouse- all malfunctioning. my neighbor says I can have his old G3, so I guess that'll be good. smile )
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Yeah, but a G3 is no G5. *atom puts his hand to the glass on the window of his car as he passes the Apple store*
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UPDATE on Production of The Friendship

Friday night we did most conceptual planning for the later part of The Friendship. After planning we broke off into groups- Brian and Andrew creating packets with Production Reports, Schedules, and Location Maps; and Chase and me coughing up a storm from the vast amount of fumes that were emitted as we put the final touches on a fake tombstone.

It's amazing how much better a little bit of planning can make a movie

So the next day we got up at 5:00am (After going to sleep at 2:00am) to shoot the funeral scene for the movie. I took an idea from the Behind-the-Scenes segment of Grayson and decided, after some location scouting, that the back lot of our local golf course would be the best place to film. So Brian and I got up and woke Andrew up, then came the real challenge: Chase. Chase took about 45 minutes to wake up, but that was okay at the time because I knew we were already about an hour ahead of schedule. So once we FINALLY get out of the house- about 5:50am- we get walking- nobody to drive us, and we didn't trust Brian's driving smile - and we realize its like two miles.

So we walk from Chase's house to the golf course, and its still pretty dim, but I know that I can set th exposure so that it looks good. Well we arrive at the golf course at about 6:30am- not that tired, as Brian had advised us to all drink a Diet Coke with some caffeine. So we start to film and we realize that there are some early morning golfers there parallel to where I wanted to shoot. So I figure we can't film where we want to, due to the danger of stray golf balls. So I wait for the guys to get about two holes ahead and I film where they just were, thinking that I'll just switch locations from one hole to another.

Well I get to the other hole and realize there isn't a 'lone-tree' which was on the other hole to place the grave under. So I look at my storyboards and scratch out the tree. Then I realize that I can't shoot from a certain angle because I can't frame it right without getting the service road in the shot. So I scratch out another storyboard.

Then we get Chase to go down to the underground golf cart tunnel to change into his Sunday Best so that he'll fit into the character in the scene. Well, knowing Chase, he won't go down anywhere questionable without someone checking it out first. So Brian goes down there trailed by Chase. I wait about five minutes and then hear a revving noise. I then hear, "Get out of the way! Get out of the way!" and see Chase and Brian scrambling out of the tunnel, followed by a golf cart with four people in it going twenty miles an hour. Great. More golfers.

So I run to the holes where I have my equipment set up, do about three takes, and run off real quick- making sure to mark the ground where the grave was- before the golfers can tee off. Well I wait for the golfers to get a little bit more ahead and then film the rest of the scene. So now we're done with one out of fives scenes to be filmed today, and I look at the schedule and we're two hours ahead! Yay!

All this time Chase is moaning and groaning saying, "I can't stay in character unless I eat. My stomach hurts real bad." I don't take him seriously, and neither does Brian, but Andrew does and he's hungry too. But I'm still saying, "Look guys, I know we have extra time, but let's not waste it, we need to stick to the scheduled eating time. Right, Brian?" I glance at Brian and he says yeah, but Chase needs to eat or else he'll be hard to work with. So, reluctantly, I let Andrew call our mom and she comes and picks us up and drops us off at Norma's, a local diner.

We eat and we're ahead of schedule, and I'm thinkng the whole time, "Okay we need to get back out there and film." When my dad says he knows this good location. I tell him that we don't need anymore locations, that we already have everything planned out, but he still drives us over there. Well we film one slightly unecessary scene at that location and get back to Mayo Hill, our next scheduled location.

We're now not ahead of schedule, but right on it. Brian and I climb up Mayo Hill, realizing that Chase and Andrew- who have Brian's clothing for this scene- aren't here at the moment. Brian then says that we shouldn't waste time, that we should film some extra footage in the event that we don't get all of the planned scenes for today done. So Brian takes off his shirt, applies some very sticky fake blood to his knee, and climbs up a poison ivy-infested, two foot tall grass, mosquito-abundant hill.

Well while we'd done ALOT of planning, we hadn't considered how hot it would be. Keep in mind we live in Texas. There Brian stood, on top of a miserable location, the one-hundred and four degree heat melting the syrup-based blood right off of his knee.

Finally Chase and Andrew arrive and we film the necessary scenes, however, they don't end up looking the best because Andrew insisted upon filming and he doesn't know how to set the exposure. I would've advised this, but I was too busy watching the rest of our equipment, making sure we didn't get arrested for carrying two BB guns around the edge of a private golf course. So we left Mayo Hill about an hour bhind schedule and proceeded to this kid Michael's house for a quick break. Well on the way tro Michael's house, the whole container of fake blood bursts as I'm carrying it and it temporarily binds my leg to my pants. When I attempted to pull them apart....RIP! The hair on my leg is gone.

We then left Michael's house, all pissed at eachother for now being two hours behind schedule with only two out of five scenes filmed in the time for four scenes. We take a two mile long walk to my house when we realize that my parents aren't there and we have no way in. So Andrew then pulls out a twenty dollar bill and points to Jack in the Box. We walk to Jack in the Box- now followed by a useless Michael and buy twenty tacos.

We then call my aunt who picks us up and drives us to our house with a house key so that Andrew can take his penicillin- he has rheumatic fever. The key doesn't work because it hasn't been sanded down enough, so my aunt drives us to Chase's house instead. We review the footage so far and then go out and film at the creek within walking distance of Chase's house.

We get some things filmed, but now the day is over and we're one scene short and three hours behind schedule. So here I am the next morning finishing up this post on how no matter how much planning you have, always hope for the worst. Well that's my two cents for now, and, as always,
Good Luck Filmmaking!
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the music was good and the bloody leg was very well done. some tension was built, but overall, it didn't do anything for me.

3/5
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Thats alright, Cypher. Why didn't you think this justified a four? Or maybe even a five? Could you be a little more specific? We're trying to make this movie good, so any feedback as far as the movie goes is appreciated. smile
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If you were to look at my vote history in the cinema, I believe only 2 movies have ever gotten a 5 from me. And that's because the were a great acheivement.

The reason this was not a four was because it intrigued me, but not enough to the point that I wanted to know more. I thought, "hmm, seems like a cool idea, but ultimately generic". that is to say, generic for the teaser. maybe the structure of the film is solid and will hold up well and not be a rehashing of stories we've seen before.

its also hard to help you improve on the film from the teaser is because a teaser is completely different from a film. You can have a great teaser and a horrible film and vice versa.
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Cypher wrote:

You can have a great teaser and a horrible film
A.K.A.-Kill Bill*

*please dont rate me down for this, as it is my own personal opinion
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although I strongly disagree, I wouldn't rate down for having a difference of opinion.

I'll just say that you are wrong and Kill Bill is great smile
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And I'll say that we all have our own opinions and that just one person can't just declare what a movie is, that its up to each individual to decide what the subject deserves, regardless of obvious issues. Nobody can speak for everybody.
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Um, yes, thus the phrase: Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder
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UPDATE on Production of The Friendship

Friday night we did most conceptual planning for the later part of The Friendship. After planning we broke off into groups- Brian and Andrew creating packets with Production Reports, Schedules, and Location Maps; and Chase and me coughing up a storm from the vast amount of fumes that were emitted as we put the final touches on a fake tombstone.

It's amazing how much better a little bit of planning can make a movie

So the next day we got up at 5:00am (After going to sleep at 2:00am) to shoot the funeral scene for the movie. I took an idea from the Behind-the-Scenes segment of Grayson and decided, after some location scouting, that the back lot of our local golf course would be the best place to film. So Brian and I got up and woke Andrew up, then came the real challenge: Chase. Chase took about 45 minutes to wake up, but that was okay at the time because I knew we were already about an hour ahead of schedule. So once we FINALLY get out of the house- about 5:50am- we get walking- nobody to drive us, and we didn't trust Brian's driving smile - and we realize its like two miles.

So we walk from Chase's house to the golf course, and its still pretty dim, but I know that I can set th exposure so that it looks good. Well we arrive at the golf course at about 6:30am- not that tired, as Brian had advised us to all drink a Diet Coke with some caffeine. So we start to film and we realize that there are some early morning golfers there parallel to where I wanted to shoot. So I figure we can't film where we want to, due to the danger of stray golf balls. So I wait for the guys to get about two holes ahead and I film where they just were, thinking that I'll just switch locations from one hole to another.

Well I get to the other hole and realize there isn't a 'lone-tree' which was on the other hole to place the grave under. So I look at my storyboards and scratch out the tree. Then I realize that I can't shoot from a certain angle because I can't frame it right without getting the service road in the shot. So I scratch out another storyboard.

Then we get Chase to go down to the underground golf cart tunnel to change into his Sunday Best so that he'll fit into the character in the scene. Well, knowing Chase, he won't go down anywhere questionable without someone checking it out first. So Brian goes down there trailed by Chase. I wait about five minutes and then hear a revving noise. I then hear, "Get out of the way! Get out of the way!" and see Chase and Brian scrambling out of the tunnel, followed by a golf cart with four people in it going twenty miles an hour. Great. More golfers.

So I run to the holes where I have my equipment set up, do about three takes, and run off real quick- making sure to mark the ground where the grave was- before the golfers can tee off. Well I wait for the golfers to get a little bit more ahead and then film the rest of the scene. So now we're done with one out of fives scenes to be filmed today, and I look at the schedule and we're two hours ahead! Yay!

All this time Chase is moaning and groaning saying, "I can't stay in character unless I eat. My stomach hurts real bad." I don't take him seriously, and neither does Brian, but Andrew does and he's hungry too. But I'm still saying, "Look guys, I know we have extra time, but let's not waste it, we need to stick to the scheduled eating time. Right, Brian?" I glance at Brian and he says yeah, but Chase needs to eat or else he'll be hard to work with. So, reluctantly, I let Andrew call our mom and she comes and picks us up and drops us off at Norma's, a local diner.

We eat and we're ahead of schedule, and I'm thinkng the whole time, "Okay we need to get back out there and film." When my dad says he knows this good location. I tell him that we don't need anymore locations, that we already have everything planned out, but he still drives us over there. Well we film one slightly unecessary scene at that location and get back to Mayo Hill, our next scheduled location.

We're now not ahead of schedule, but right on it. Brian and I climb up Mayo Hill, realizing that Chase and Andrew- who have Brian's clothing for this scene- aren't here at the moment. Brian then says that we shouldn't waste time, that we should film some extra footage in the event that we don't get all of the planned scenes for today done. So Brian takes off his shirt, applies some very sticky fake blood to his knee, and climbs up a poison ivy-infested, two foot tall grass, mosquito-abundant hill.

Well while we'd done ALOT of planning, we hadn't considered how hot it would be. Keep in mind we live in Texas. There Brian stood, on top of a miserable location, the one-hundred and four degree heat melting the syrup-based blood right off of his knee.

Finally Chase and Andrew arrive and we film the necessary scenes, however, they don't end up looking the best because Andrew insisted upon filming and he doesn't know how to set the exposure. I would've advised this, but I was too busy watching the rest of our equipment, making sure we didn't get arrested for carrying two BB guns around the edge of a private golf course. So we left Mayo Hill about an hour bhind schedule and proceeded to this kid Michael's house for a quick break. Well on the way tro Michael's house, the whole container of fake blood bursts as I'm carrying it and it temporarily binds my leg to my pants. When I attempted to pull them apart....RIP! The hair on my leg is gone.

We then left Michael's house, all pissed at eachother for now being two hours behind schedule with only two out of five scenes filmed in the time for four scenes. We take a two mile long walk to my house when we realize that my parents aren't there and we have no way in. So Andrew then pulls out a twenty dollar bill and points to Jack in the Box. We walk to Jack in the Box- now followed by a useless Michael and buy twenty tacos.

We then call my aunt who picks us up and drives us to our house with a house key so that Andrew can take his penicillin- he has rheumatic fever. The key doesn't work because it hasn't been sanded down enough, so my aunt drives us to Chase's house instead. We review the footage so far and then go out and film at the creek within walking distance of Chase's house.

We get some things filmed, but now the day is over and we're one scene short and three hours behind schedule. So here I am the next morning finishing up this post on how no matter how much planning you have, always hope for the worst. Well that's my two cents for now, and, as always,
Good Luck Filmmaking!


i'm sry ben but that is very unnessesary and that only makes our company worse! please refrain from saying how things like that trying to make people look bad. Make sure the things you say are nessesary, true, and kind(especially to your best friend, critique is a different story) but keep the behind the scenes crap to yourself.

EDIT: Cypher: an opinion is an opinion and I respect that. I personally like this trailer, but you seem to have seen a lot in your day so i see how you and ben dissagree.

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I was actually gonna say that exact same phrase, I just forgot to.

EDIT: Chase, I'll talk to you later. I didn't think I said anything bad about anything, just what happened. Next time you something to say to me, IM me please. The FXHome community tires of our quarrels.
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NEW UPDATE!

Hello, all! I've been working on a "The Making of: The Friendship" special, and I was wondering if anybody would be interested in watching it, or if I should just quit it and stick to working on the film itself. Note: the making of.. would reveal the faces of both ben and atom, and show exclusive footage of atom's extreme room makeover! (HYPE!)
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we should see the real film first.
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....Um.....Duh.
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Cypher wrote:

we should see the real film first.
Well, yes, but I find that it'd be easier and more entertaining if I log it DURING production instead of after the film is completed. Just wondering if anybody would want to see it.
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ahhh.

see what happenes when you dont read the full post
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Yeah, but we're also gonna have a nicely-edited blooper reel during the middle of the credits, and at the end of the credits it's gonna-
*ben3308 gasps as he feels a cold metal cylinder against his head. He hears the sound of a revolving barrel*
ben3308: "Oh crap...I mean, um.....forget everything I just said, and um....chase is awesome."
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Rating: +1

I would imagine that I speak for a great many people when I say

JUST MAKE THE $%&£ING FILM!! WE DON'T WANT TRAILERS, OR BLOOPERS, OR MAKING OFS, OR COFFEE TABLE BOOKS, OR COMMEMORATIVE MUGS!! NO-ONE IS LOSING ANY SLEEP WONDERING ABOUT THE FATE OF YOUR FILM OR SITTING UP NIGHTS PRAYING FOR IT'S IMMINENT RELEASE!! JUST MAKE THE £%&ING FILM!!
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I agree, only in less harsh terms. You guys are really hyping this thing up a lot for no reason.
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yes, you may be really hyped up about this film, and I know, it is misleading to you, but the point is - WE AREN'T HYPED ABOUT YOUR FILM. Just because you are doesn't mean we are. Just make the film.
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well said.
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If you don't fell hyped, then don't post. I'm not saying completely disregard the thread completely, I'm saying while I may be saying stuff about my movie doesn't mean you guys have to go and scream at me that you aren't hyped about. Wow. Ever think I already knew that? So what did yelling at me accomplish? Nothing. It just made you feel better. There was no need to respond whatsoever, yet you insisted upon doing so just to kind of say, "Hey! Look at me!" Maybe I annoyed you by telling you guys some stuff about my movie, so? Did I offend you in any way? Did what I say cause you any harm? Because if I did, then the kind of response that you all gave was necessary, But the difference is, I didn't do any of that. So I find it pretty rude when people go and scream at me for some small reason. Especially when- not literally- the f-word comes into play.
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Cypher wrote:

well said.
Just a question. Where would we all be without DXM: Making of? I hate to think of a world without it. As an audience, I find BTS stuff just as entertaining as the actual film. Not trying to 'hype' this film, I just like having BTS and commentary and stuff. It makes it more fun to film and work on, not just a stupid thing to 'hype' the film. I was just wondering if anybody cared.

stagey, I tire of your over-irratability and harsh comments when I ask simple things. If a toddler asked you if you would cross the street with him, would you say "No, you stupid @#$%!! Quit asking me and stuff! I dont give a crap!"

No, you wouldn't. So, why do it to me? (Well, I guess I see a couple reasons, but that's besides the point)
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While there's a degree of truth there, is it also not the case that you have fairly relentlessly pursued people for their opinions and involvement?

Is there not a certain amount of doublethink involved in posting materials to a public forum and then objecting to that public reacting? You've argued before that I am not your intended audience, but if I and all those others who have been critical of you are not, why do you not simply distribute your files directly and bypass us altogether?

I am a critical man. To paraphrase the Great Bill Hicks, I don't mean to sound cruel and unfeeling, but I am, so that's how it comes out.

I would push the child roughly and laugh uproariously at the resulting Baby Jam (or Preserve for you Americans and other Aliens).

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The difference is that you seem to really want us to keep thinking about this film. Just release it already. The worst thing you want to do is hype a film and have it not live up to the hype. Release it, see what people think, then release BTS stuff if people like it.

No offense or anything guys, but I think that you are a bit self centered. RELEASE THE MOVIE. Don't worry about behind the scenes, or commentaries, or anything else because they are useless if you film sucks. Which, btw, it will if you spend all of your time worrying about BTS stuff.
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stqagehanduk wrote:

While there's a degree of truth there, is it also not the case that you have fairly relentlessly pursued people for their opinions and involvement?
Yeah but is this necessarily opinion and involvement; or is it just an unecessary show of anger and frustration?

stqagehanduk wrote:

I would imagine that I speak for a great many people when I say

JUST MAKE THE $%&£ING FILM!! WE DON'T WANT TRAILERS, OR BLOOPERS, OR MAKING OFS, OR COFFEE TABLE BOOKS, OR COMMEMORATIVE MUGS!! NO-ONE IS LOSING ANY SLEEP WONDERING ABOUT THE FATE OF YOUR FILM OR SITTING UP NIGHTS PRAYING FOR IT'S IMMINENT RELEASE!! JUST MAKE THE £%&ING FILM!!
And I'm not quite sure you're speaking for everyone there. And don't think yelling at me will get the film done any faster- I'd think you, of all people, would better appreciate a film that I put some time in rather than one that's rushed. And I know several people that have said that they would buy a mug! So....AHA!!!
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Well, it couldn't make you make it any slower, could it? And it might - MIGHT - just stop you wandering off and filming In The Actor's Studio With Chase Arrington (whose name is joy) instead of FINISIHING THE FILM!
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stqagehanduk wrote:

Well, it couldn't make you make it any slower, could it? And it might - MIGHT - just stop you wandering off and filming In The Actor's Studio With Chase Arrington (whose name is joy) instead of FINISIHING THE FILM!
Umm......What? Actor's Studio? Oh. Sarcasm.

EDIT: Evman, I already have everything I need for the film, and I don't start filming until the weekend. So why not say some BTS stuff while I have some free time?
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Just finish the film. I (and others) will watch it. I (and others) will comment. Then you can make as many Making Ofs as it pleases you.

And I'm left with sarcasm and shouting because nothing else short of tattooing directly onto your innocent upturned little faces seems able to get your attention.
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I think he does speak for a lot of people, considering how many people have either agreed or not argued with what he has said besides you.
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stqagehanduk wrote:

Just finish the film. I (and others) will watch it. I (and others) will comment. Then you can make as many Making Ofs as it pleases you.

And I'm left with sarcasm and shouting because nothing else short of tattooing directly onto your innocent upturned little faces seems able to get your attention.
I'm ending this saying: "stagehand, we agree to disagree on lots of things, okay? Thats all." Don't be calling me a little kid, and saying "upturned little faces" because as far as I'm concerned, I've got a more impacting say on things than you do, seeing as how I've been on here longer than you have. *

*See? It doesn't feel very good to have someone innocently mock you on something you can't respond to.
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stqagehanduk wrote:

Just finish the film.
We will, granted you guys stop pestering us to make it. hugegrin

stqagehanduk wrote:

And I'm left with sarcasm and shouting because nothing else short of tattooing directly onto your innocent upturned little faces seems able to get your attention.
The problem is, why do you find it so necessary to try to get our attention? If it's an update on the movie and its written not to be responded to, then don't respond. If it's a new trailer that I ask for feedback on, then feel free to give feedback. Simple.
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atom wrote:

NEW UPDATE!

Hello, all! I've been working on a "The Making of: The Friendship" special, and I was wondering if anybody would be interested in watching it, or if I should just quit it and stick to working on the film itself.
I asked you guys if I should just quit it, you could've just said stick to the film or "continue the BTS"

atom wrote:

Note: the making of.. would reveal the faces of both ben and atom, and show exclusive footage of atom's extreme room makeover! (HYPE!)
You guys, this is ALL just sarcasm, the whole HYPE thing, I mean.
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Ben:


"We will, granted you guys stop pestering us to make it. "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!


and Atom:

"I've got a more impacting say on things than you do, seeing as how I've been on here longer than you have. *

*See? It doesn't feel very good to have someone innocently mock you on something you can't respond to."


Pardon? Don't call you a kid because you've got dibs? Riiiiiight. I won't say it felt good or bad to have someone innocently mock me on something I couldn't respond to because I never felt anything at all. It was much like being savaged by a small mouse.
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stqagehanduk wrote:

Ben:


"We will, granted you guys stop pestering us to make it. "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
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Yeah, a sarcastic joke on my part, should've been quite duly noted, hence the hugegrin I take it form your response you found it funny. That would mean I made a funny joke.
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I'm most terribly sorry. I'm afraid that the subtlety of your wit was rather wasted on me. Perhaps in future we may expect a series of gripping posts following your blossoming on the Comedy Circuit?
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Why is it that that every topic started by atom seems to turn into something so long. There is like 5 pages of nonsense. Dang! If you guys want to argue pm each other or something and stop mucking up the forums.
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Yeah, I was thinkin' the same thing, do it over aim, we don't really want to hear it. This is about atom's film, which I think looks quite good. No need for arguments, most people's posts, when they post a film/trailer, doesn't go like this. It usually lasts 2-3 days of good criticism and comments, no arguments etc. USUALLY.
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yeah, atom and ben, your topics are cursed for the rest of eternity. Im gonna try not to argue any more, and if someone does, either don't respond, or respond in pms.
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My topic? I believe atom started this one. Next time, why don't you come back to me with some topics which I've started, and we'll see what parts of them are nonsense.
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oh come on, you two are in it together and your topics are related and you make the same movies and you get ticked at the same things. so they are basically both your topics, regardless of who starts them. end of story, no more arguing, lets get back on track.
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Rating: +1

If I was a twin, I would hate that to be said to me, but I think it is for the most part true.
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I'm also not willing to accept any crap from anybody unless it has some justification or some basis. And when certain people- stqagehanduk, in this instance- who don't even know me, or what kind of person I am, touch a nerve and criticize me on more personal terms- or it seems to me that they are taking things too far or they said something that I disagreed with- then I'm going to respond. And what I usually post is written articulately and with eloquence, and I take time in writing my posts. I try to avoid the image of being loud, blatant and arguementative- an image I am often associated with, primarily because of my brother's posting etiquette- but sometimes that image is conveyed and I find that a bit unfair- that sometimes if I try to back my brother up on something, then I am blamed for things along with him. I've faced this fraternal association every day of my life since for the past fifteen years, and I really wish that everyone wouldn't just pair me with him. You may say that it'a ben both our topics, but I disagree. If I didn't start the thread then it's not my thread. 'Nuff said. Before we sstart a new thread on FXHome, Andrew, Brian, Chase, and I, all discuss who will post it. Most of the topics- as you may notice- have been from atom. But we tried to stop this once his image was degrading and we weren't backing him up. so we all got together and decided that we would all post information pertaining to ourselves individually after one of us starts a thread of our own. I also think arguement is what the forums are based on- well, healthy arguements, at least- and I see nothing wrong with discussing certain topics with people. Now, if the topics falls astray, it shouldn't immediately be locked or forgotten, but if it stays off-topic, then, eventually, I think it should cease. Unfortunately, I have an affinity for argueing, so I will try to restrain myself, but I must say, I think thatarguements accomplish much, and I am a firm believer in the saying,

"Without conflict, there is no progress"

So....that's my two cents for now, and in the words of ssjaaron
PEACE OUT
Posted: Fri, 10th Sep 2004, 3:20am

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Atom

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evman101 wrote:

oh come on, you two are in it together and your topics are related and you make the same movies and you get ticked at the same things. so they are basically both your topics, regardless of who starts them. end of story, no more arguing, lets get back on track.
Evman, that makes no sense. Its like saying because Bush and Saddam Hussein have the same haircut, anything they do, no matter what, relays to both of them. Holy crap! Shut the hell up!

Renegade: I dunno why my threads go on so long, they just do. So what? who cares? Its not worthless crap, its difference of opinion, and thats what forums are for. I know you could argue differently, but save it, okay? THAT is wasting forum space. And dont worry man, we're still coo'.

Serpent: Your my friend, man, but NOBODY will ever understand the pains and jokes and worthless crap that people say every day my entire life about and/or to me. Its NOT a joke.

As to all of you. Im ashamed for you that I always end up pissing the mouth off because you guys decide to all throw a conspiracy party against me and ben. Everywhere I post, its always "save it for PM" or "Why is it that that every topic started by atom seems to turn into something so long. There is like 5 pages of nonsense. Dang! If you guys want to argue pm each other or something and stop mucking up the forums." Everybody, man! EVERYBODY POSTS! Conspire against someone else!!!!!!

And I try to say this nicely, but, Evman, you're REALLY being an asshole,
PLEASE SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!! (I tried to give reasoning, I tried to play it cool, but anything I do, my previous reputation follows me, and that is truly sickening) Ben has been nothing but witty, and insightful, and I say this in the least regret (and believe me, you DONT EVER see me favoring him) so guys? If you want to tell me something like all that crap and then tell ME to respnd on PM, then u should too. Ben, however doesnt deserve any of the crap you guys out about him, and it makes me sick.

I mean, JESUS!

People like to argue with me and I WILL argue back, no matter what reasoning, thats who I AM. I sent a PM to a bunch of you, and I thought it would be my savior on here, but it seems that no one cares for it, and, inadvertently, no matter what I do, things ALWAYS end up like this, and for that, I say "I'm sorry." However, TONS of people have said zillions of pages of worthless crap to me, and I've tried to give the minisculest responses, but I am always overshadowed, and for that, "I very much pity you."
Posted: Fri, 10th Sep 2004, 3:51am

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ben3308 wrote:

I try to avoid the image of being loud, blatant and arguementative- an image I am often associated with, primarily because of my brother's posting etiquette- but sometimes that image is conveyed and I find that a bit unfair- that sometimes if I try to back my brother up on something, then I am blamed for things along with him.
Ahem...*cleares throat*

atom wrote:

Holy crap! Shut the hell up!

atom wrote:

And I try to say this nicely, but, Evman, you're REALLY being an asshole,
PLEASE SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!

atom wrote:

I mean, JESUS!
I rest my case. But you know, here's the saddest part of it all:
He had a right to say what he said.
I was talking to my mom's college friend's husband, a professional photographer whom I've known my whole life and who has always supported my career as a filmmaker and he noticed my notebook open on my couch and he decided to take a look. After reading what stqagehanduk wrote he told me that I'll meet some people in my life that will be mean, rude, and spiteful, and I won't know why. He also said you meet some real jerks in the film industry, and you just have to deal with them without sinking to their level. While he wasn't talking about stqagehanduk the whole time- as I do not personally know stagehand, I can't really say whether he's a spiteful guy or not (Though he has left an impression of somewhat of a jerk- and I'm pretty much speaking of the time he called my movies a jumble pf clips with some titles) he did give me a bit of insight. So the next timeone of you attmepts to say something mean or rude- don't. My brother did a good job of backing me up in his post and I find that extremely honorable. I'd consider him a better man than any at this moment.
Posted: Fri, 10th Sep 2004, 5:24am

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Ok, a little while back, you (atom) said "where would we be without DXM: Making of?". Well, for one thing, I think I would be at the same place I am right now. It's not like I gained any great meaning or knowledge from watching it. It was entertaining, sure... and it let people know how they did the stuff, but it's not as though it changed the world.

And also, you're ASKING us what we think about you guys making a making of. The DXM making of was a surprise to a lot of people I think, and you're hyping up all this extra stuff that you're planning to do, when (as far as I know), the movie isn't close to being finished yet. It's not important if WE think you should do it. Just do the stuff you're planning on, and release this huge smorgasbord of movie goodness.

And to ben3308, atom, and whoever else goes along with them...

You guys always ask for critiques on things, or opinions about this or that, and then when people give you an honest opinion, you lash out and get all defensive, and then your topic turns into a big fight. What's the deal?

Learn to take criticism, or don't ask for it.
Posted: Fri, 10th Sep 2004, 8:46am

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I totally agree with Aculag.

Concentrate on finishing your film most of all. I think all of us are more interested in seeing your movies than making-of documentaries. Personally, I'd only be interested in seeing a making-of documentary of a film by a more professional member of the site such as John Carter or Sollthar (how about a making of Recon, Christian? wink ), no offence or anything. I know doing a making-of gives you more self-importance but focus on finishing your movie & just develop your skills.
Posted: Fri, 10th Sep 2004, 9:34am

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Lads, a fundamental difference between the two of you and me is that I don't give a monkey's what people think. It's liberating. You try it. Please say you'll try it. Try it while you're FINISHING THE FILM!

And Atom, if you must post, will you do me a favour? Will you read back what you've written and ask yourself, at least once, "is this English? Does it make any sort of sense? Or am I just sounding like the Preschool William Burroughs?" Ben's a touchy boy but at least his posts actually read as coherent sentences, even if he's clearly heard nothing that's been said to him.

And this is going on waaaay too long, so I will defer to comment further until you FINISH THE FILM! I guess what I and others are saying is that you STOP RELENTLESSLY BIGGING YOURSELVES UP AND FINISH THE FILM!