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Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 10:16pm

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3 years ago, America was dealt a serious blow by evil people. Today feels like another day. It is sad that It just feels like a regular day. It is sad that no one really seems to care. There was no presentation at school. The TV just has regular tv on it. It doesn't seem to matter to people.

http://www.911digitalarchive.org/diganimbackup/americaattacked/index1.html

watch that please

I would like to thank our troops for defending us from more attacks. And I feel sorry for the families of those lost.

Please, before the day is over, think about what this day means to every person opposed to terror. I hope that I am not the only one thinking about this. And I hope that this day doesn't turn into a macy's day sale in a few years. Just please, think about it.
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 10:25pm

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evman101 wrote:

3 years ago, America was dealt a serious blow by evil people. Today feels like another day. It is sad that It just feels like a regular day. It is sad that no one really seems to care. There was no presentation at school. The TV just has regular tv on it. It doesn't seem to matter to people. Please, before the day is over, think about what this day means to every person opposed to terror. I hope that I am not the only one thinking about this. And I hope that this doesn't turn into a macy's day sale. Just please, think about it.
I was about to put the exact same thread. I'm happy someone other than myself realizes how important this day should be, not only to Americans, but to all of us, and how thankful we all should be for our wonderful lives. Th should be a day of remembrance and mourning, and I encourage all of you to be as patriotic, no matter what country, and show your support for the fight against terror. (And, in no way, am I trying to reflect my support for Bush or the war, as that is not what this day should be about)
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 10:27pm

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that was a nice video paying respect to the people, but the pentagon attack is still sketchy http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf
that video explains it, shiz just dont line up
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 10:27pm

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As the years go by, the attitude will get progressively "less-important" (for lack of a better term).

How often do we really stop and have a presentation at school on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing? Other than a few select channels, there won't be big coverage on the years following JFK's assassination. And those channels that do take the time to remember the date he was shot will have a fleeting and nonchalant reminder that "This was the day".

It's unfortunate, but that's what happens... time causes people to age. But it also causes memories and attitudes to age as well.
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 10:37pm

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yes, but not after 3 years. So JFK was shot. ONE GUY DIED. This is a day that thousands die and It literally makes me sick to my stomach. If you didn't realize today was the day, shame on you. It really hurts when people don't care about something so important. It is probably the difinative moment in my life.
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 10:44pm

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xbreaka wrote:

that was a nice video paying respect to the people, but the pentagon attack is still sketchy http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf
that video explains it, shiz just dont line up
I don't mean to be political at all but man, this story just isn't true...

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm





What would a piece of plane be doing there? Hmm...
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:08pm

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evman101 wrote:

yes, but not after 3 years. So JFK was shot. ONE GUY DIED. This is a day that thousands die and It literally makes me sick to my stomach. If you didn't realize today was the day, shame on you. It really hurts when people don't care about something so important. It is probably the difinative moment in my life.
if its the moment in yourt life you will always remember than ya that goes for alot of us but if its the difinetive moment then you need to get out more, for me the definetive moment will probably be getting laid, driving, graduating etc
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:11pm

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maybe definative was the wrong word. No, it was right. It is the definative moment in my life SO FAR. thats better.
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:13pm

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evman101 wrote:

yes, but not after 3 years. So JFK was shot. ONE GUY DIED. This is a day that thousands die and It literally makes me sick to my stomach. If you didn't realize today was the day, shame on you. It really hurts when people don't care about something so important. It is probably the difinative moment in my life.
Look, number one, I realize what today is. I realized that Saturday would be 9/11 long ago. I did not forget, so don't attempt to shame me.

Also, my JFK reference... yes, it was a single man. But Oklahoma City was not. All three events were tragedies on a national level. Even bigger scales don't change the fact that time diminishes effect. So... better yet, let's talk about Vietnam, Pearl Harbor, The Holocaust, The Alamo, The Black Plague, the Crusades, The Inquisition, or anything else in which hundreds, thousands or hundreds of thousands of deaths occurred... They just are not talked about the same way in which they were in the times directly after.

"Remember the Alamo"

"A Day that will live in infamy"

Two quotes that show how much we really take time to look back at our past. And there are countless others. They aren't forgotten, and neither will be 9/11. But at some point people will request less coverage anyway. Think of people who have lost someone close to them in the towers... if you were one of those family members or friends, would you want to see the footage over and over again? What other coverage can there be of the event?

What exactly are you asking for in terms of this not being "another day"? That's what I am not fully getting from you. Do you want a national holiday, or what?


I am not making disparaging comments on 9/11. I am stating fact, and that fact is that time diminishes reaction. It's not that we don't care. Please do not insult my intelligence again, okay evman101? You want to talk, let's talk. You want to chide me for things you claim about me (i.e. me forgetting 9/11, or not caring), then take it to PM's and we won't muck up and hijack this thread any further.
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:17pm

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Evamn, although this is a sad day looking back, everyone reflects on bad times differently. Please respect everyones choice in how they react to a tragedy.

P.S. Xbreaka- Did you really think the Pentagon wasn't hit?
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:20pm

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evman101 wrote:

3 years ago, America was dealt a serious blow by evil people. Today feels like another day. It is sad that It just feels like a regular day. It is sad that no one really seems to care. There was no presentation at school. The TV just has regular tv on it. It doesn't seem to matter to people.
You went to school on a saturday?

I remember my whole 9/11 experience. It REALLY changed who I was in the sense that I had never had such a general hatred for a certain group of people in my whole life. I wanted the blood of those responsible spilled, and I would have drinken said blood if given the chance. Frankly put, I was a bit of a douche bag in the months following 9/11. There was little differencce between me and some racist hick. Thankfull, I have changed. Looking back, I really hated the way I acted after 9/11, and today those actions have made me into a more understanding person. I'm not sure if I would be the way I am today if not for that serious blow by "evil" people.

I thought about today and what happened 3 years ago, but I don't dwell on it. As important as it is to never forget, it's important to move on.

by the way sfbmovieco, though I seriously doubt that we blew up the pentagon, the snopes article doesn't disprove all of the things in the movie. I think that movie raises some interesting observations that most likely have simple answers that no one has. Still, very interesting stuff.

Just some random 9/11 thoughts.
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:33pm

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no, I don't want a national holiday, I want people to remember. It breaks my heart when I come in on the anniversary of Pearl Harbor and nobody but me knows it. Its really sad how we could care less. All I ask is that people don't go "wuhuh???" when I tell them its the anniversary of something. Or "Oh right... What was that?" It really sucks.

P.S. - Wasn't trying to shame YOU. You remembered. Didn't you?
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:46pm

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sfbmovieco wrote:

Evamn, although this is a sad day looking back, everyone reflects on bad times differently. Please respect everyones choice in how they react to a tragedy.

P.S. Xbreaka- Did you really think the Pentagon wasn't hit?
no i knew it was hit, but after i saw the video i questioned whether it really was that airliner seeing as i didn't think random arab doods could pilot huge ass planes 10 feet off the ground!
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:48pm

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sfbmovieco wrote:

What would a piece of plane be doing there? Hmm...
Sidewinder and myself have concluded that that piece of "airplane" is not an airplane at all, but a boat. Yes, that's right. We're having a press conference soon where all questions will be answered.
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:53pm

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I remember well. I think as Americans we are FORCED to remember. Not that anybody shouldn't remember those tragic attacks, but there's a difference between remembering something and being constantly reminded of something. Sometimes I think, would anyone have even known about the two towers if they weren't attacked. I mean, Timothy McVeigh (isn't that that guy's name) bombed a building in Oklahoma and people died, but did everyone remember those people? No. We were too busy waiting for the government to give the guy the needle. We did want memorial for the deceased. We just wanted revenge. And that's partially (if not wholly) why we went to war. Also, do you think 9/11 would've been such a big deal if it had been in somewhere like Kansas or Minnesota? It was in New York. And even though it's not the capital of the states, it might as well be. My cousin was in Madrid across the street from the train station when it was attacked. And the remembrance of that event lasted about a week or two. And here we come to September 11. Why do people find it necessary to whisper over our shoulder, "Remember it!!!" The bottom line is-
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REMEMBER IT
I don't think there's anything in the world that could make me forget it. So if someone finds themselves telling people to remember the attacks, then they should stop, take a breath, and think to themselves, "If I knew someone who died in 9/11 would I wanted to be reminded of that terror every year?" I doubt they would. It's okay to tell people that today is the anniversary of 9/11. Just don't overdo it. neutral
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 12:11am

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im from swden and we DO care smile
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 12:14am

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Well it's good to know the Swedes are on our side. We got y'all guys' back too!
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 12:22am

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You say that people do remember and we don't have to tell them. Of course people will remember it. They just won't remember when .

So you are saying that if you had a family member die on that day, you would just want to forget that he ever existed?

I'm not talking to you guys, cause I know you are all good people and can remember important things. Im talking about really a lot of people who could care less about it. You SHOULD care. Im prosecuting people who DONT care.

Its really sad that we are arguing over this. Today is a day that should be remembered. Today should not be a day for argument over whether or not things about the day are relevant or not.

You want to argue about this, save it for another day. Now, im going to remember those people who lost their lives. Because I don't think it right to not care about that day.
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 12:35am

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nitroviper007 wrote:

As the years go by, the attitude will get progressively "less-important" (for lack of a better term).

How often do we really stop and have a presentation at school on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing? Other than a few select channels, there won't be big coverage on the years following JFK's assassination.

It's unfortunate, but that's what happens... time causes people to age. But it also causes memories and attitudes to age as well.
You're right, but you're also underestimating the importance of 9/11. Oklahoma and JFK's assassination were big events, but on a world scale didn't make much of an impact (well, you could of course trace all kinds of repurcussions from JFK's assassination, but that's a whole other thing). Essentially, they were big events in the USA, but not outside.

9/11, on the other hand, affected the entire world, has directly led to two on-going wars in the Middle-East that involve several countries, and who knows where the road is going to eventually lead. Trust me, it will be in the news for many, many years to come, if not for the event itself but for its consequences.

To the main topic at hand:

I remember sitting down to watch a movie (Fight Club, of all films...) and my dad calling and telling me to turn on the news. The following few hours were probably the most frightening of my life. It was probably the first time history had occurred live to everyone on the planet - a global collective moment of holding your breath.

Oddly enough, one of the best tributes to those that died that day was issue 36 of The Amazing Spider-Man comic. It dealt with the events from a very alternative point of view and was really very touching, singling out the heroism of the firefighters, police and invidual men and women that day. I'd recommend people try to get hold of it.
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 12:41am

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I'm personally sick of all the people who still write "NEVER FORGET 9/11/01" on their cars or something. It's like, am I going to be walking down the street and someone will come up to me and say "Hey, I've been seeing things about 9/11/01 around town.. Do you know what that's all about?" and I'll say "Um... no, no idea. That's weird."

Yeah right. It's one of those things that people aren't going to forget. Ever. I could give you an exact description of what happened that day and when I found out, and how I felt and what the weather was like, and all sorts of stuff, and I'm sure nearly everyone else here can do the same thing.

I'm glad people still honor the people who died, and aren't just saying "meh, whatever.", but all this "NEVER FORGET OK" stuff is a little insane. It is definitely one of the most major things to have ever happened in the US and the world, so people won't forget it.

RANT RANT RANT RANT RANT!
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 12:46am

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Flying boats Aculag? Now this is something I gotta see. Those terrorists must be very inventive these days. And I thought my dad's whaler was cool!

Evman, you can't condemn people to care about something. As important as this is, there are people who care about x and people who care about y. I think it's best remembered the specific way a person wants to remember it. But trying to tell people they have to remember a day that didnt affect them as harshly as it obviously has affected you is hard to do; about as hard as telling a hardcore conservative to vote for abortion or vice versa...I think Aculag has given a good insight. People will remember. People won't forget...But don't remind people to remember...Next to redundant in the dictionary is the word redundant. Thats my 2 cents.
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911 was a sad for america. Some people are insensitive but they shouldnt be! Here is my favorite video: it is a tribute to the terrible attacks on our country sad

http://www.dennisandronnie.com/files/tribute.wmv

hope you are touched like i was sad
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 1:05am

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yeah I figured out that it is too late and some people just won't care about it. All I have to say to those people is - you suck. biggrin

hm. that is a sort of demeaning way to portray those events mcmurphy...
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evman101 wrote:

hm. that is a sort of demeaning way to portray those events mcmurphy...
No it isn't. It's hardly making fun of it. It's making LIGHT of it. Huge difference. If someone made a "tribute" with people sitting there laughing at people dying and saying "OMG LOL IT WAS BUSH ALL ALONG!!!1 IM GLAD THOSE IDIOTS DIED LOL" THAT would be demeaning.
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Couldn't agree more aculag and murphey. The movie actually makes some pretty good points if you think about it. How music affects something, and, as you stated before, the difference between making fun of, and making light of.

that took guts to post LtMcMurphy
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bush pwns im glad he opened up a can of whoop ass on those terrorist mother fudge heads
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 1:22am

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xbreaka wrote:

pwns whoop ass fudge
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 1:25am

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Ahh, I love the quote function.


http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/tshirt.php?sku=a102

That's demeaning. confused
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OMG! Thje pentagon wasn't hit?!?!!1 Funny, because my dad's friend was in the buliding when it got hit. i wish September 11th never happened, wouldn't that just be great, it makes you wonder what would have happened if Gore was President, maybe it would be better, maybe worse. But if I had to change one thing in my generation, that would be it. I have a friend whose dad works in the world trade center, he took that very day off. That was a scary day, I found out about it in school. It was real weird and no one knew how to react.
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Serpent wrote:

i wish September 11th never happened, wouldn't that just be great, it makes you wonder what would have happened if Gore was President
Why on earth does September 11th make you wonder what would have happened if Gore would have been president? That's ridiculous. If you're trying to say that Bush had something to do with it, then I'm sorry, but you are a complete idiot.
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 3:35am

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I never said that. And one comment doesn't make me an idiot. smile I said I wonder if it's one of those things, not that Gore is better or anything. Like, if I didn't step through the subway door before it closed, then my whole day, even life would have been altered. Like one of those luck/chance things.
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September 11 shouldn't have happened, but It just makes you wonder what would life be like if it didn't. Im still betting that some worse terrorist attack would have come along if 9-11 hadn't happened. Now we have our guard up (which should have been up all the time).
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Don't get me wrong or anything, but it's over. Sure it happened..... so.... what now.... Just move on.
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Considerring "9/11" is actually named after the date that it happened on, I don't think anyone's going to even be able to forget it. I think we should start a new trend of naming tragedies with a number at the end, much like an AIM screenname.

Like:

Pearl Harbor 12-7

LtMcMurphy: That was so from The Edge. It's like making fun of Jesus.
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sidewinder wrote:

LtMcMurphy: That was so from The Edge. It's like making fun of Jesus.
Dude, Jesus likes the attention.











I'm going to hell.... sad
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Serdar3500 wrote:

Don't get me wrong or anything, but it's over. Sure it happened..... so.... what now.... Just move on.
It's over? Hardly. The shockwaves are still reverberating all over the planet. 9/11 changed the nature of terrorism, it changed every country's foreign policy and it changed the nature of personal freedoms - and the process is ongoing.
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Tarn wrote:

Serdar3500 wrote:

Don't get me wrong or anything, but it's over. Sure it happened..... so.... what now.... Just move on.
It's over? Hardly. The shockwaves are still reverberating all over the planet. 9/11 changed the nature of terrorism, it changed every country's foreign policy and it changed the nature of personal freedoms - and the process is ongoing.
It makes me VERY happy to see non-Americans compassion and help towards our country's terrible tragedy. It just shows you how something horrificly terrible can unite the world in a way never thought possible. cool
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atom wrote:

It makes me VERY happy to see non-Americans compassion and help towards our country's terrible tragedy. It just shows you how something horrificly terrible can unite the world in a way never thought possible. cool
Given the international function of the World Trade Center, its destruction was a tragedy for many countries, not just the USA. People of all nationalities were murdered when the towers fell. The fallout from the tragedy - increased world terrorism, multiple wars in the Middle East - also makes 9/11 much more than just an American tragedy. It affects us all to some degree.
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May the victims rest in peace.

And may the terrorists... uh... not... biggrin
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This is really getting stupid. This is a filmmaking forum, and getting weepy in here of all places, really seems nothing more than self-indlgent emotional tripe.

If you want to "remember 9/11" or whatever, typing "May the victims rest in peace cry cry cry cry" seems more insulting than solemn.
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September the 11th was a terrible day, and I certainly will never forget watching it, but people have to move on. If you wish to mourn them, then you can decide how you personally will pay your respect, be it with a silence or whatever. You should not have to be reminded or told how to do so.

It's the same that goes for D-Day, you can buy a poppy, or observe a silence etc.

The only thing I don't like about 911 is that it's not the only atrocity that has ever happened, yet some people insist on making it seem like it is. I feel its unfair on the other people who have died in terrorist attacks, or mass genocide.

Take the Russian school for example last week... those were innocent children who died there, they had not even had a chance to live yet, unlike many of the 911 victims. Though in a years time, do you think anyone will be remembering what day it was they were killed on?
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Well, I have tried not to argue, but there is no reason to criticize me for wishing that innocent people rest in peace. So you might want them to burn in hell. Good for you. I can say what I want about this terrible day. Its only been 3 years. Its not like D-Day or Pearl Harbor more than sixty years ago.

I'm just trying to be nice and thoughtful. If that is a crime around here, then I'm sorry. Ill now resort to "You all suck." and. "I hope you all go to hell."

Is that better?
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Do you honestly think I would answer in any other way than "Yes"?
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 7:17pm

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Tarn wrote:

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It makes me VERY happy to see non-Americans compassion and help towards our country's terrible tragedy. It just shows you how something horrificly terrible can unite the world in a way never thought possible. cool
Given the international function of the World Trade Center, its destruction was a tragedy for many countries, not just the USA. People of all nationalities were murdered when the towers fell. The fallout from the tragedy - increased world terrorism, multiple wars in the Middle East - also makes 9/11 much more than just an American tragedy. It affects us all to some degree.
...And that is what I think a lot of Americans forget. Yes, it was an attack on American soil, but remember that the World Trade Center was chosen for a reason. Remember all of the anti-muslim feelings and thoughts that were out there directly after the attacks? It was essentially nearly allowed racism. Even now, there are people who are given "special attention" if their names even sound middle eastern. Part of it is security, and a lot of it is paranoia.



You're right, but you're also underestimating the importance of 9/11. Oklahoma and JFK's assassination were big events, but on a world scale didn't make much of an impact (well, you could of course trace all kinds of repurcussions from JFK's assassination, but that's a whole other thing). Essentially, they were big events in the USA, but not outside.
Read my follow-up post. There are events of an international level listed there.
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 9:56pm

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What anti-muslim reaction? There was basically none. Everyone made the careful point of expressing the fact that it didn't reflect on all muslims. I can remember one or two reported "hate crimes" being comitted due to 9/11, and this is in a national scope, not local. They were minor ones, also, like vandalism. The point is that this "racial backlash" never developped into an issue like you say it is.

If you're refferring to racial profiling from security, I say that's hardly a backlash.
Posted: Sun, 12th Sep 2004, 11:30pm

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There is an interesting document called We Are Not The Enemy the HRW wrote about the anti muslim reaction of 9/11.

the document specifically talks about the matter here:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/usahate/usa1102-04.htm#P303_46974

and you can read the whole 42 page document here:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/usahate/

Near the end they talk about a Curry in a Hurry that was almost burned down. That happened pretty close to my house.
Posted: Mon, 13th Sep 2004, 1:55am

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Tarn wrote:

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Don't get me wrong or anything, but it's over. Sure it happened..... so.... what now.... Just move on.
It's over? Hardly. The shockwaves are still reverberating all over the planet. 9/11 changed the nature of terrorism, it changed every country's foreign policy and it changed the nature of personal freedoms - and the process is ongoing.
Yes, it's over. September 11, 2001 happened 3 years ago. I would consider that to be over. Excuse my direct wording but, shit happens. People die. One of my father's best friends and business partner died a few years ago, and as a result we had to shut down one of our stores. He died. We closed a store. We moved on.

Terrorists attacked the WTC, thousands of people died, everyone put up a flag on their car for a month, then people moved on. If you ask anybody between September 12 and September 10 of any given year, they will remember just as well as if you asked them on September 11. But are they going to sit there and cry for hours on end? No. They'll acknowledge the fact that it happened, tell you how much it sucked, then say "bye" and move on with their day.

And it did not change the nature of terrorism, unless you consider the fact that they used planes isntead of guns. Yes the U.S. is more paranoid now than ever. So?

In the early 1900's, Armenians claim that the Turks "massacred" thousands of Armenians. Some countires acknowledge it, most don't. Do I really care? Do I walk up to every Armenian and say "Do you remember?"? Come on people....
Posted: Mon, 13th Sep 2004, 2:04am

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Yes, it's over. September 11, 2001 happened 3 years ago. I would consider that to be over. Excuse my direct wording but, poo happens. People die. One of my father's best friends and business partner died a few years ago, and as a result we had to shut down one of our stores. He died. We closed a store. We moved on.

Terrorists attacked the WTC, thousands of people died, everyone put up a flag on their car for a month, then people moved on. If you ask anybody between September 12 and September 10 of any given year, they will remember just as well as if you asked them on September 11. But are they going to sit there and cry for hours on end? No. They'll acknowledge the fact that it happened, tell you how much it sucked, then say "bye" and move on with their day.

And it did not change the nature of terrorism, unless you consider the fact that they used planes isntead of guns. Yes the U.S. is more paranoid now than ever. So?

In the early 1900's, Armenians claim that the Turks "massacred" thousands of Armenians. Some countires acknowledge it, most don't. Do I really care? Do I walk up to every Armenian and say "Do you remember?"? Come on people....
Did I sit there and cry for hours? No. I just made a few comments that I hoped would enlighten others. Obviously they didn't. Do I care, no.
Posted: Mon, 13th Sep 2004, 2:10am

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evman101 wrote:

Yes, it's over. September 11, 2001 happened 3 years ago. I would consider that to be over. Excuse my direct wording but, poo happens. People die. One of my father's best friends and business partner died a few years ago, and as a result we had to shut down one of our stores. He died. We closed a store. We moved on.

Terrorists attacked the WTC, thousands of people died, everyone put up a flag on their car for a month, then people moved on. If you ask anybody between September 12 and September 10 of any given year, they will remember just as well as if you asked them on September 11. But are they going to sit there and cry for hours on end? No. They'll acknowledge the fact that it happened, tell you how much it sucked, then say "bye" and move on with their day.

And it did not change the nature of terrorism, unless you consider the fact that they used planes isntead of guns. Yes the U.S. is more paranoid now than ever. So?

In the early 1900's, Armenians claim that the Turks "massacred" thousands of Armenians. Some countires acknowledge it, most don't. Do I really care? Do I walk up to every Armenian and say "Do you remember?"? Come on people....
Did I sit there and cry for hours? No. I just made a few comments that I hoped would enlighten others. Obviously they didn't. Do I care, no.
Hey buddy, who was I quoting there? When you read something, don't take every word/phrase/figure of speech literally.
Posted: Mon, 13th Sep 2004, 2:19am

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why oh why has this turned into an argument? I should stop fueling it. I'm sorry I ever tried to remind people of such an important event!
Posted: Mon, 13th Sep 2004, 2:24am

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I smell sarcasm! Wait, no, it could be that ground beef my mom just made-nope, it was sarcasm
Posted: Mon, 13th Sep 2004, 8:50am

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Does anyone need to be reminded? Nope.

End of discussion.
Posted: Mon, 13th Sep 2004, 10:02am

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I think sidey's summed it up pretty well.

Evman - though what you tried to do obviously had basis in trying to be kind, people don't need to be reminded. It's not something anyone is going to forget. And by saying "Hey, make sure you remember!", or saying that you want to enlighten people about 9/11, can seem patronising. Your intentions were good, granted, but I think that 'shoving it down peoples throats' (to an extent) can get annoying. People will deal with it and remember it in their own way.

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