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Star Wars Trilogy - 2004 DVD Changes

Do you think updating the effects makes the movie better?

No - I think the original should remain unchanged.41%[ 14 ]
Yes - Updating the effects helps keep the movie up to todays standards.59%[ 20 ]

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Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 8:47pm

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ZukoVega

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George Lucas still can't keep his hands off it ...

Side by side comparisons of the 1997 Special Editions of the Star Wars films and the new 2004 DVD Editions.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/starwarschanges.html

The special effects were groundbreaking for its time but it's the story and not the effects that have stood the test of time and why people still love the original trilogy. If he spent as half as much time on the story in the new movies as he does on the effects he may have actually come up with something watchable…
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 9:07pm

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Add an option that says both should be made available. I want the originals, but I think its interesting how they can do stuff like that to such an old movie to make it fit with newer things.
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 9:11pm

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We fans always forget those movies were revamped for Lucas himself not for us. After all it is his baby. He can do with it as he likes. Whether we like it is irrelavent. I personally get tired of all the whining associated with his changes.

I guess my point here is his writing style and filming style never changed. However what we the fans expect has changed and evolved overtime. IF you take a HARD look at the untouched orignal trilogy you will see that cheesey (and sometimes bad) writing is throughout. The root of the problem is all of us have an emotional attachment to the original and forget it is only a movie. There are more important things to worry about.

The genius of the situation is that Lucas wins no matter what. The StarWars "purist" will buy or rent the new ones to watch and complain. Less involved fans will buy or rent them just because it is StarWars. All the way Lucas makes bank and pumps out more stuff for us to lap up.

Don't get me wrong, I like Star Wars, hell there was a time when "obsessed" might have described my fondness of the Movie and associated media. I guess I just don't get why some people get so intensely emotional over the whole thing anymore. I must be getting old or something.

I look at the changes this way. It like hanging out with an old friend and seeing whats new with them. StarWars will always be great regardless if Lucas fiddles with it the rest of his life. The changes do not stop the themes of the movie that transend the presentation we all hold dear.

Sorry to step up on a soap box and rant about this I just felt like sharing my feelings on the matter with the community.
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 9:15pm

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I'm for Yes and No

Yes- they are his movies and he can do what ever he wants to them

But- The first editions are CLASSICS, something that people should be able to watch in its original format for years to come.

I want both, and would buy both.

oh man but taking sebastians shaw out is just bad
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 9:31pm

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I like the way that they are fixing it up. I just decided. But lucas should still release the originals. Im scared of buying this cause there is a rumor that in 2007 (30th anniversary of ANH) they will release an amazing set that will blow everyone away. In that article, it mentioned that the lack of deleted scenes in this set gives it away. Im gonna keep shovelling money in lucas's greedy mouth... razz
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 10:01pm

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I own the original laserdiscs, so I'm not worrying about the changes. Besides, I think people should shut the hell up about it, since it's HIS MOVIE. A painter is allowed to go back and revise his work, is he not? A musician is allowed to remix his songs, or experiment with them. So let Lucas do what he wants to his movie. It's his.

Also, the video quality on the DVD's is incredible, which makes the purchase worth it, even if you don't approve of the changes.
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 10:08pm

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the only change i dont like is that when darth Vader dies, its a younger anakin ghost with the ghosts of Obi Wan and Yoda
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 10:29pm

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Artur L wrote:

the only change i dont like is that when darth Vader dies, its a younger anakin ghost with the ghosts of Obi Wan and Yoda
yeah, that one is a bit iffy to me. Seems like Lucas is just making $hit up just to load more stuff into it. If the whole thing with the ghost being the last image of you as a person on the good side were true from the bat, why wouldn't lucas have originally made anakin be played in that shot by a younger actor?
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 10:38pm

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yeah, by the same logic they should have replaced Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor

OMG!! It's the guy from the star wars of MY generation!
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 10:51pm

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well his logic is that you retain the image of what you looked like right before you turned to the dark side. Since obi wan never did that, then he would look old.

But I still think hes bull $hitting us.

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Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 11:04pm

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i wish he had never screwed with them, cus 10 years from now its gonna become obselete again and then he will revise them again etc etc,
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 11:22pm

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he might as well reshoot the damn things.
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 11:29pm

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Chagning fx is fine, as long as they maintain the same llook.

Changing actors is bad.

The new Jabba versus the old? dunno. I liked the old model, but the new lighting
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 11:29pm

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I hope he does revise it again. It would be really, really cool to see some more of the deleted scenes added into the edit or just to make them available to veiw separately. Besides, they are going to have to make an HD version to keep up with home theatres aren't they? My guess is in 2007, 30th Aniversary. It will probably be like a 8 or 10 disk set with limited collectable uni-remote, R2 Mug and optional bookends. Of course the bookends would have six possible variations. Why you say? The fanboys will have to buy all 6 to have a complete set. twisted

Genius, pure Genius! wink

BTW, just another tidbit. The prequels have been just as great to me as the originals. Any of the times I screen EpI & II it is like rolling th clock back to when I was a young kid. I always finish in the same mindset as I did with the originals: "Hey, where are my lightsaber toys so I can whack my brother in the head" biggrin Good times... frown
Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004, 11:36pm

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Well, I like the originals the best. I do have a problem with all the revisions. I agree that you should be able to revise your own work, but I have a REAL problem with people who create something magnificent and decide later that they want to "make-it-betterer". That's what G.Luke-ass has done. People rag on him all the time on how he shouldv'e just quit it before ep.1, but HE is the creator. HE decides, not them. You really can't say he crapped it up, as if he ruined someone elses' work. He made it in the first place, an it's genious. I mean, c'mon? Everybody likes Star Wars. I bought the "redone" VHS a while back, and they weren't that great. Some good reasoning to all this lies within the South Park episode titled: "Free Hat". It's episode 601 for any of you who can watch it. smile
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 1:08am

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I'm just kinda in the middle on this debate. So I'll turn to my helpful movie phrase:

WWTD?
(What Would Tarantino Do?)
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 1:39am

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Mister Pencil, who obsessively loves Quentin Tarantino wrote:

WWTD?
(What Would Tarantino Do?)
Oh god, please do not bring up Tarantino and his greatness. Please

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Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 1:57am

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Pointless argument ahead!
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 2:04am

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atom wrote:

WWTD?
(What Would Tarantino Do?)

Oh god, please do not bring up Tarantino and his greatness. Please
Yeah, you're right. Sorry about that.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 2:09am

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Whew. Wait. ATOM, avoiding an arguement?!?!? Could this be true?!?!? Or could it be that ben3308 is writing under atom's name for today? hugegrin Read my sig text. smile

EDIT: Ben wrote this, and it really isn't fair for me to be penalized for someone else's writing. So, I'd like the one who wrote this to please remove it. (if that's okay....)

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Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 6:34am

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Dude, c'mon. You have to keep it rolling. Stop junking up the forums with useless stuff like that.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 6:51am

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Alright, Sidey. Sorry. Your movies rock. Okay. Now I'm done. 'Nuff said.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 7:58am

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I watched all three original movies tonight, not the special editions, the originals, and I think all of the changes are good ones. There are some things that still don't add up, like Obi-Wan saying he was trained by Yoda, when Episode 1 tells us that he was trained by Qui-Gon. Whatever.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 8:35am

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Well, In Episode II we see young Jedi (when Obi-Wan talks to Yoda and all those stars pop up). Maybe they all are trained by Yoda at first, and then given to a master or something like that?
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 1:32pm

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I don't care much - they are his movies.

But in keeping with Aculag's comment that some things don't add up, I question the logic of having Hayden Christensen at the end of Jedi if Kenobi is still Alec Guiness... If Vader is inexplicably young now, why the hell isn't it Ewan McGregor?

Changing actors is also VERY insulting for them.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 2:11pm

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JohnCarter wrote:

I question the logic of having Hayden Christensen at the end of Jedi if Kenobi is still Alec Guiness... If Vader is inexplicably young now, why the hell isn't it Ewan McGregor?
It's supposed to be their last light side form. So Kenobi was still on the light side when he died, therefore is played by Alec Guiness. Vader on the other hand stopped being light when he is played by Hayden Christensen.

Though I still don't like the change.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 2:47pm

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I like some of the changes, and some of them I don't.

I don't really have anything against new effects and 3d and whatnot, but I just really don't like that new Jabba. There's just something about it that makes me cringe. Hopefully I'll feel better about it when I see him in motion.

About the whole Light-side force ghost thing, wasn't vader back on the light at the very end when he was talking to Luke?
Maybe not. I havn't seen it in a while, but that's how I seem to remember it.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 3:17pm

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but Anakin was turning dark already when he was played by Hayden, and his last true light form was at the end of Jedi with Shaw. That whole thing is the only change that really bothers me.

I think it would have been funny if Luke saw the young anakin on endor and though "Uhhh, who the hell is that?"
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 3:47pm

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Crap you guys! Ben's been posting under my name! That wasn't me junking up the forums, it's ben.... Well, I'll just restate what I said before

atom wrote:

Well, I like the originals the best. I do have a problem with all the revisions. I agree that you should be able to revise your own work, but I have a REAL problem with people who create something magnificent and decide later that they want to "make-it-betterer". That's what G.Luke-ass has done. People rag on him all the time on how he shouldv'e just quit it before ep.1, but HE is the creator. HE decides, not them. You really can't say he crapped it up, as if he ruined someone elses' work. He made it in the first place, an it's genious. I mean, c'mon? Everybody likes Star Wars. I bought the "redone" VHS a while back, and they weren't that great. Some good reasoning to all this lies within the South Park episode titled: "Free Hat". It's episode 601 for any of you who can watch it. smile
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 6:24pm

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The way I see it, is Anakin DID die, and Vader is a completely different person. Mostly machine and all that. So having Hayden's ghost instead of Sebastian Shaw's works for me. But like I said, I'm not really upset about the changes.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 6:26pm

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but Anakin was reborn at the end of Jedi.

Oh no...oh God no...I'm...I'M A DORK!!!!!!
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 6:59pm

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My opinion...

Do artists go back to their paintings 20 years later and change them?... NO
Do poets and writers decide to "tweak" their old classic works?.... NO

It annoys me... one of the god damn reasons that made STAR WARS so good was the fact that it wasn't all state of the art CG, most of the stuff was done for real. Now they've just loaded it with crap, that looks out of place.

So stupid, should have just left it as it was... as it was when we all first saw it in the movie theatres.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 7:03pm

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I think they should include and original version but have no problems with these updated versions really. Its not really the same as a painter going back to his canvas after 20 years. At the time I'm sure Lucas felt restricted in what he could do, those restrictions aren't there now so let him show what he wanted to show in the first place.
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 7:09pm

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Yeah, but the point is it was his attempts to break these limitations which made it such a good film in the first place!
Posted: Sat, 18th Sep 2004, 7:36pm

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TAP2 wrote:


Do artists go back to their paintings 20 years later and change them?... NO
It's funny you should say that because on some other website someone was comparing the Star Wars films to the Mona Lisa and said how Da Vinci didn't go back and mess with it 20 years after it was finished when in fact after "finishing" it, he carried it with him for the rest of his life tweaking it and making touch ups so there goes that comparison biggrin .

I don't have a problem with any of the changes, I don't really see the logic in replacing Shaw with Hayden but it doesn't bother me. From what I've seen of the updates they're all minor FX changes and things to help continuity not major plot points. I can't say I care either way as they're his movies and there's nothing anyone can do to change it.
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I'd still rather see the original versions in all their 70's / 80's glory. The fact that they are now a little dated carries a certain charm (like stop_motion rather than CG).

I heard a rumour that Spielberg was going to re-release JAWS with a CG shark instead of 'Bruce', but for me it would take away some of the character of the film .

Either way, updated or not, the SW films will always be fun.
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I heard a rumour that Spielberg was going to re-release JAWS with a CG shark instead of 'Bruce', but for me it would take away some of the character of the film .


Doesn't sound like Spielberg to me... Jaws is another classic that and I completely agree with you. I just think CG elements in old films look out of place. You expect CG in non-grainy, modern films.[/quote]
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CG in films with 70's hair cuts just doesn't seem right to me wink
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Oooh, Brady Bunch, now with CG.
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Mantra wrote:



I heard a rumour that Spielberg was going to re-release JAWS with a CG shark instead of 'Bruce', but for me it would take away some of the character of the film .
.
Will he be replacing the guns with walkie talkies ?
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Serpent wrote:

Oooh, Brady Bunch, now with CG.
CG hair?
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I don't have anything against changes. For those who dose... You still got the vhs"
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Will he be replacing the guns with walkie talkies ?
I'm guessing CG mobile phones, it's what ET and Bruce would want smile wink
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Lol, yeah that was a greate south park joke!
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Ha Ha! That's a great image, Sidey!
smile
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I agree.
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You guys say that its the young ghost at the end because its last time he was on the light side, but before Vader died wasnt he a little light when he saved luke from the Emperror, so Vaders last light side experience was when he was old, am i wrong?
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I bought the DVD today biggrinbiggrin woooho
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Mantra wrote:

I heard a rumour that Spielberg was going to re-release JAWS with a CG shark instead of 'Bruce', but for me it would take away some of the character of the film .
I'd love to see Spielberg put some decent shark effects into Jaws. It's an incredible film, all the more remarkable due to the appalling shark. It really shows just how masterful a film it is, that it can be so effective despite its central monster being so poor. If he could go back and fix the one bad part of the film - the shark - then I'd be all for it.

Of course, I also think it's important for the original to be available for historical purposes. Whether that would involve being available for the home market or not, I'm not sure.
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I know what you mean Tarn, but I was thinking along the lines that because the shark was so bad it helped shape the movie into the tense film it is because they left a lot of the shark effects shots out and relied even more on the acting, editing and score. I'm also a fan of not showing too much of the 'monster' early in movies which tends to happen in a lot of the effects laden films of late.

That said, i'm sure if Spielberg did replace the shark shots he'd have them done to his usual high standards. I'd go see it wink
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Indeed, having the dodgy shark helped to shape the film into what it is today. Hence why it's such a good example of 'less is more'. However, there's no denying that the few shark effects in there are super-clunky. For people with nostalgia for the film, it's not a problem. But if you showed Jaws to kids nowadays, I imagine they'd be turned off due to the dodgy shark. If you kept the film identical but just improved the shark shots, it'd be perfect.
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Though it's a complete re-make as opposed to an update, I'll be very curious to see how King Kong turns out with the obvious power of todays effects over the classic stop motion. The new film has massive potential so my fingers are firmly crossed.
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OK, I know I started this gripe about GL remaking his movies but that didn't mean I wasn't planning on going out first thing this morning and dropping $50 for the set ... which I did (this makes the 4th set of these movies I've bought!)

I just came across a great article which perfectly describes my problem with these special editions (I know, I know ... there're "His" movies and he can do whatever he want with them...)

"...I'm not a complete purist when it comes to the subject of altering original movies. Many films have been improved by directors' cuts, but some were done right the first time. Want to clear up the print and boost the sound? Fantastic. Think the Death Star needs a bigger explosion? OK, I can live with that -- audiences want a big bang. Want to enhance the look of Cloud City? Right there with you. It's the other changes, the story changes, that irritate me:"

"Jabba the Hut does not need to be in "Star Wars." What's worse is that the computer-generated Jabba in the special edition makes him look like a hand-drawn clown rather than the character that had menace in "Return of the Jedi." Here is a character that had been mentioned ominously in the first two episodes but not seen until the third. That's good storytelling. It creates a sense of anticipation that pays off with the 3-D Jabba. With Jabba now added to the first film, the tension is deflated. That's bad storytelling."

"Greedo shoots first? What? All that does is grind down the edge of Han Solo. Here is a guy -- a smuggler and criminal, by all accounts -- who goes on his own journey of honor and redemption through the trilogy. Him blowing away the potential threat of Greedo gives him a darker place to start, therefore his journey to hero is that much greater. Besides, how in the world could a lime-green, bug-eyed freak like Greedo get the drop on our boy? That's bad storytelling."

"The moment after Luke has had his hand cut off and finds out who daddy is, is one of the greatest moments in film history. It is punctuated by Luke's fall in silence. Silence. Not screaming like a child. I can remember holding my breath the entire time the scene played out. It is such a complex moment when young Skywalker lets go, body and spirit broken. The added sound effects do nothing but cheapen it. That's bad storytelling."

"Now there's word that Hayden Christensen, the actor who plays Anakin Skywalker in Episodes I and II, has been added to the end of "Return of the Jedi." (Christensen takes the place of the ghostly version of Luke's father, who stands beside Yoda and Obi-Wan, according to reports.) I can't possibly believe that this is true so I'm not going to criticize you for this, George. You'd have to be unstable to even consider something so silly. Isn't that right, George? George?"

... I bought the DVDs' rushed home, tore them open, pulled out ROTJ, skipped to the last chapter and ... the rumors are true ... frown

Read the full article Lucas sends fans to the dark side
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"Jabba the Hut does not need to be in "Star Wars."
They're acting like they added him specifically just to add another character. They DID film that scene originally, after all...
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It's still just a movie twisted
The world will contiue with Hayden at the end of RotJ wink
I have a feeling this back lash will modify the plans for future editions.
What will be changed and what options will be added when they go HD with the series?

Regardless, I will still go to work tomorrow and the world will contiue to roll forward for good or evil like usual.

I guess I am just getting old. I am 27 now, SW trilogy was one of the most influential things for nearly a 3rd of my life. How pathedic is that?

Last but not least. I introduced my 3 year old daughter and 2 year old son to the 97-98 Special edition movies this past weekend. Guess what?
THEY LOVED ALL OF IT!!

My point here is these movies will continue to be enjoyed by new generations and they will not be aware of the changes. They will enjoy the "updated" version as much as we enjoyed the originals. Those movies are still timeless even if some of us have hurt feelings that our old "whubbie" was thrown in the wash and mended by Mum. confused

It will be ok my friends, it will be ok. wink
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Yeah, I guess you're right, I still love the movies and if you can assure me that the world will contine on after tomorrow even with Hayden at the end of it all - well, gosh darn it I'll do my best to get out of bed in the morning with a smile on my face and a spring in my step. Now that you mention it - change is good! I wish that da Vinci fella was still around to touch up the Mona Lisa with a bit of acrylic. It'd brighten that smile right up! (did I paint that sarcasm on thick enough or should I lay down another coat? biggrin )

...of course I know it's only a movie and the world will go on and that generations to follow will continue to love the movies but since we're taking time out of our lives to post messages to a movie making forum, I'm assuming that people here are passionate about movies.... so that's what I'm doing - showin' a bit o' passion! razz
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GOSH DARN IT SIDEWINDER STOP LEECHING IMAGES OFF SOMETHING AWFUL
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ZukoVega wrote:

"Jabba the Hut does not need to be in "Star Wars."
No, he doesn't need to be. But by the same token, it doesn't harm the story by including him - he was meant to be there in the first place, after all. The only reason he wasn't included was because the scene was technically impossible to achieve at the time.

The scene works fine, now that they've totally redone Jabba. The 97 special edition Jabba was poor, but the new one works fine. The only minor irritation is the slight duplication of dialogue from the Greedo scene.

"Greedo shoots first?"
The actual matter of Greedo shooting first never bothered me. It hardly breaks the film. What I didn't like about the 97 version is that I just couldn't tell what was going on at all. It's been fixed up in this new version and works fine - shows Han to be quick and pretty smart, and keeps his cool. Not a problem.

"Luke's scream"
This has been removed, so is no longer an issue. I agree it was always rather odd. But it's not there anymore, afaik, so that's ok.

"Hayden at the end of Jedi"
This is the only one I'm not sure about. The reasoning that it is Anakin before he 'died' and fell to the dark side works for me, though. And again, it's hardly something that breaks and the film and makes me want to destroy my DVDs.

Other than the Hayden thing, these new versions have fixed the problems you mention, I reckon. smile Watching New Hope last night, I didn't even notice the special edition stuff - it all slots in perfectly now, unlike back in 97.
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I do agree that they've done a great job of sharpening up the images and effects. The space scenes look incredible (no more white boxes around the ships), Hoth is amazing and to finally watch it on DVD and not VHS is great!
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LtMcMurphy wrote:

GOSH DARN IT SIDEWINDER STOP LEECHING IMAGES OFF SOMETHING AWFUL
Just trying to spread the word, my man.
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Well, the DVDs of Star Wars are something I've been wanting for years, I have to admit.

I'm pretty satisfied with them; the picture & sound are great & the release is pretty decent with some good features. The documentary is quite good, though it feels as though we're being talked at too much rather than being shown stuff. I liked the trailers, with one particularly standing out - that one for Empire Strikes Back (I think) which is just moving images. Cool editing & nice technique.

I'm disappointed of course that it doesn't have an option to see the original movies but not bothered. I've got the original movies on video so I'll probably just watch them if I ever want too.

It's the special editions that re-introduced the movies to the world, & they've had the same effect, so what's the fuss? The messages of the films haven't changed. On the whole, the DVD releases are improvements, with pristine transfer. What's the point of bickering? Throw your eggs at Episodes 1, 2 & maybe 3 but keep them in the basket for these.
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Don't even get me started on Episodes I & II ... forget a basket of eggs, I could bring out the whole farm! twisted
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sidewinder wrote:

LtMcMurphy wrote:

GOSH DARN IT SIDEWINDER STOP LEECHING IMAGES OFF SOMETHING AWFUL
Just trying to spread the word, my man.
And waste other people's bandwidth they pay for I guess.
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How dare you waste my meagre dial-up bandwidth with your adultish arguments? I wasted £0.000005p. I expect a free DVD from both of you.

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LtMcMurphy wrote:

sidewinder wrote:

LtMcMurphy wrote:

GOSH DARN IT SIDEWINDER STOP LEECHING IMAGES OFF SOMETHING AWFUL
Just trying to spread the word, my man.
And waste other people's bandwidth they pay for I guess.
Waste? I put that bandwidth to good use. Pictures are for looking at, hombré.
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I just got the set and I am very pleased with all the casing, artwork, etc. The menus are just like the ones for the prequels. I've only had time to watch about an hour of A New Hope, but I haven't really noticed many of the changes so far. Which is great.

The saber luke uses in the falcon to train is first green, then white, then green again, then blue, then white, green, blue and then finally white again all in a matter of 2 minutes. That sort of pisses me off that they didn't at least fix that sort of thing... twisted twisted twisted
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Take a look at this....

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/6818/115000000-Day-One-Worldwide-Sales-for-Star-Wars
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If it's not been said, Target has it for 45$ and it can't be fake, because it is at the store, and my friend has it from there. Anywho, say you as a filmmaker spent a ton of time on a film, it looked great. 10 years later, you have more capabilities. Why NOT remaster it? Just make it more "up to date" and still perfect even in now day times.
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I got it for 40 bucks at k-mart...

P.S. - The new jabba is a jast improvement over the piece of crap they passed off as cg in 1997. He looks much more realistic, and his reactions are more jabba style. The only problem is that when han steps on his tail, there is too much motion blur on han, and after that, han is looking at jabba's neck, cause that's where the stand in actors eyes were.

Other than that, I really enjoyed it in full dvd quality, and I liked the changes. This is for the first one at least. I still don't get why they fixed the sabers at the end battle and not the ones at the beginning. The different colored saber really had me confused.
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sidewinder wrote:

LtMcMurphy wrote:

sidewinder wrote:

LtMcMurphy wrote:

GOSH DARN IT SIDEWINDER STOP LEECHING IMAGES OFF SOMETHING AWFUL
Just trying to spread the word, my man.
And waste other people's bandwidth they pay for I guess.
Waste? I put that bandwidth to good use. Pictures are for looking at, hombré.
Yeah, at their site, where there are advertisements so they can make money. I know for a fact that www.somethingawful.com (which by the way is where you are leeching the image from) does not like it when people leech images off their site. Its a dirty internet practice and people who do it are annoying and should have their internet revoked.
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Make me.
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LtMcMurphy wrote:

Yeah, at their site, where there are advertisements so they can make money. I know for a fact that www.somethingawful.com (which by the way is where you are leeching the image from) does not like it when people leech images off their site. Its a dirty internet practice and people who do it are annoying and should have their internet revoked.
Stop being such an SA suck up. Just because they say "WAAAAHHHHH NO IMAGE LEECH" doesn't mean you have to say "WAAAAAHHHH NO IMAGE LEECH". Besides, I'm pretty sure you only do it when people post things from SA. Go through the entire forum here, I'm sure you'll find loads of people to try and boss around about it.

It happens, get over it. I'm sure you did it too, before you became such an advocate of not doing it.

I know I don't like it when people do it to me, but since you're not paying for any webspace at all, you have no right to police people.

Also, how many times do you think the image Sidewinder posted here is viewed each day on SA? A LOT. So someone putting it here to be viewed as well isn't really hurting anyone. Especially since it's such a small file. If it was a 30mb movie or something, that's a different story.
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And it says www.somethingawful.com in the corner in big, white, blocky letters.
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Whatever you three are blathering about, please take it elsewhere and let this thread get back down to business. Thank you.
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Yes sir.
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You guys say that its the young ghost at the end because its last time he was on the light side, but before Vader died wasnt he a little light when he saved luke from the Emperror, so Vaders last light side experience was when he was old, am i wrong?
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I think this really falls under the "point of view" in turning to the darkside Vadar murdered Anakin. Therefore Vadar's last minutes do not count. for all intensive purposed Vadar and Anakin are separate. Vadar is really the machine that kept what was left of Anakins physical body alive.

Some how I think that in EP3 we will see that going to the darkside essentially kills one's luminous self. I guess what I am getting at is that the "soul" if you will is separated from the body. Since Anakin's luminous self was killed in its youth it would return as a youth.

Who knows? We will see in EP3 I am sure.

Damn I am full of pooh! twisted
Sounded good anyway I think confused
Is it illuminous or is it luminus or is it luminos? tard

Luminous and Illuminous could be synonyms right?
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I'll tell you one thing:

If you have to explain it to that degree, it means it's a plot hole, pure and simple.
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I think the hole will get a patch in RotS.

I don't think they would have just thrown H.C. in there just becuase they could. KWIM?

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I saw the second half of Empire today. Looks awesome. Heck, you can still see some of the lines where the matte meets the actual frame. Is that good? Bad? Depends on who you talk to.

But if you want a real comparison, watch the old trailers. That shows how amazing the quality is of the new DVD versions.
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That just became my new desktop wallpaper.
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what the heck is that?

-MAGIC
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Magic_man12 wrote:

what the heck is that?

-MAGIC
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Okay, I've been able to get through the majority of the set (there are probably some things hiding that I missed), and overall, I'm satisfied. If I could choose between this and the original version, I'd choose this. They fixed the effects that they screwed up in the 97 edition.

The picture quality is incredible. So is the sound. The new visual effects don't hinder or change the story, but allow it to flow more freely than ever before. It now takes your mind off the effects (you don't think how they look shotty), and makes you think of the story and the characters more.

The new changes to the story don't change it much at all. Really, there aren't any major ones. The things they do change are for the good of the entire story, episode 1 to 6. My hope, with these slight changes, is that I will be able to watch all 6 parts together, in order, and not have big, obvious gaps in continuity between the old and new trilogy.


The bonus material is exceptional, I actually enjoyed all the info in the 2 and a half hour documentary "Empire of Dreams". The featurettes offer many interesting facts, and some cool behind the scenes stuff. The trailers are funny because they are so incredibly stupid.

I love this DVD set, and its now my second favorite set next to the LOTR extended edition set.
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evman101 wrote:

The trailers are funny because they are so incredibly stupid.
Heh when I first saw the trailers I thought that they were spoof ones or something because they were so amazingly cheesy.
I've only watched ANH and some of the featurettes so far but I totally agree that the sound/picture is amazing (especially when compared to the 70s TV Spots) and so far none of the added FX have "ruined" the movies, I do think that luke's saber should have been redone though for continuity with the others.
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I bought the set last night, and haven't watched them yet, but will soon. I can say though, that the picture quality alone was worth the money. I just scanned a few scenes from ROTJ, and I'm blown away that they can get a film that's nearly 30 years old to look that good. And the new lightsabers look awesome.
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Rating: +2

A couple of things i would personally like to see in the DVD collection.

1. 4 hours of deleted scenes featuring jar jar exclusively.
2. Behind the scenes with george lucas showing us his extensive collection of ewok porn.
3. A small featurette about why jabba was made out of 110% pure olestra.
4. The tragic personal struggle mark hamill went through trying to let go out his formerly booming career. (complete with hidden camera footage of mark swinging his lightsaber prop handle, making wooshing sound effects in his kitchen)

5. Short scene of makeup artist combing ticks out of chewbacca costumes hair.

And finally, what i most want to see:

hidden camera footage of george lucas swimming in his pool. except, instead of water, its hundred dollar bills from all the fatally addicted starwars geeks clamoring to empty they're wallet at the nearest source of anakin-related merchandise.

need i say more?
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Bryce007 wrote:

need i say more?
Yes, you need to explain how exactly he's "swimming" in hundred dollar bills. That's just not possible. Unless he's just sitting under a pile of them moving around a bit.
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heh, if you don't like the movies, fine. but a lot of people do.

Its the first time they've ever been on dvd. cut him some slack.
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Bryce, that's the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Bravo good sir
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evman101 wrote:

Its the first time they've ever been on dvd. cut him some slack.
That's a horrible excuse.
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Bryce... hugegrin funniest post in months biggrin

And I thought this thread was dead already. twisted
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let me word that differently.

Its the first time they've ever been on dvd, and they look absolutely great, and the special features kickass.

thats much better.
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Of course, adding stuff kind of keeps them alive, don't you think?

They don't seem like 25 year-old films.
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To aculag: Yes Indeed he would be kinda flopping around and looking awkward, but no more than usual. Also, because money is dry, he could keep his elvis haircut flawless.

To sidwinder: Everything except adding hayden the the movie. Dammit, that kid is the worst overactor, just seeing him make my mind harken back to what i like to call the "Lucas scene from hell" which is the infamous (or it should be)

I killed them....blah blah women children...blah blah (eyebrow acting)
like the animals they were (right here it looks like he's crapping an open umbrella handlefirst)

So, everything they did is cool except adding shattered-glass boy
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CHEWBACCA! .... I just noticed that he's listed in the cast of the next movie coming out in May - Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith

Wouldn't it been nice to see wookies instead of ewoks in ROTJ like originally planned? Well, hopefully a mob of angry wookies in episode III will make up for it... at least it gives me something to look forward to... razz
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ZukoVega wrote:

CHEWBACCA! .... I just noticed that he's listed in the cast of the next movie coming out in May - Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith

Wouldn't it been nice to see wookies instead of ewoks in ROTJ like originally planned? Well, hopefully a mob of angry wookies in episode III will make up for it... at least it gives me something to look forward to... razz
thats old news dude biggrin i saw that on starwars.com a couple of months ago. check out the site even if youre not a member of hyperspace smile
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oh,... I don't usually read any movie news or fan sites so I may be a bit behind redface
***SPOILER ALERT ***
Darth Vader is Luke's FATHER!!!!
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ZukoVega wrote:

oh,... I don't usually read any movie news or fan sites so I may be a bit behind redface
***SPOILER ALERT ***
Darth Vader is Luke's FATHER!!!!
on the star wars site, they have teaser pic of a group of wookies charging at something, so we are going to be seeing some awesome wookie mobs surprised

also, Zuko, you are lucky im telling you this after that spoiler
Just kidding, i love you man
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I got the dvds some days ago, and I loved the quality, suround sound, and the changes was good. Though I didn't like the new Anikin ghost unsure