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Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 9:33pm

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More news from Nintendo about their new system, the DS. In case you didn't know, it's been redesigned and looks much sleeker now.





Release Date for NA: November 21, 2004
Release Date for Japan: December 2, 2004
Release Date for Europe and Australia: Q1 2005

Price for NA: $149.99 USD
Price for Japan: 15,000 yen

Fact Sheet: http://n-philes.com/hardware/ds/ds_2.jpg

The program PictoChat (chat program) will be built into the DS hardware. Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt will be bundled with the DS. First Hunt is a demo for the upcoming DS game Metroid Prime: Hunters, which is set to be released after the launch of the DS (it's not known exactly when). Check out how the graphics have improved here. Hunters also has two different control schemes, one where you use the stylus to aim, and a traditional setup.

Full confirmed game list here.

There's also a rumor that a port of Soul Calibur 1 is heading for DS.

I'm very excited. The early release date and low price are really going to help Nintendo. Not to mention the bundled in demo. And long battery life. And WiFi capabilities. And the awesome games. And...well you get the point.

EDIT: Make sure you don't turn this thread into a DS vs. PSP debate, I just wanted to spread this great news around.

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Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 9:36pm

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woah, looks a lot better than the last picture I saw of it. They made it look a lot more modern and not as aimed for younger kids. I think I'm gonna pass on this one though and wait for the Sony PSP. The psp's looking a lot better than the ds to me/
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Man I'm all over the DS, and have been since me and er-no sat in #fxhome and watched the E3 press conference. I'm so freaking excited.

And as for the PSP comment, CNN just said that the PSP is going to cost somewhere in the 275 to 300 dollar range. For that price you can get 2 DS's and play Pictochat with yourself!

Canta unsure
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 9:41pm

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November? Hey maybe I could get one for my B-day smile
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 9:51pm

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Looks good, though the pics haven't looked like n64 quality to me...yet
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 9:56pm

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why is NA getting it first?
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 10:00pm

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watch it in motion.

Beats the crap out of N64.

Side by side comparison.

N64 Graphics


DS Graphics


I think the difference is pretty obvious.
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 10:22pm

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have u guys seen the new playstation 2 called PStwo






Height: 2.8 CM

built-in network adapter

the price will be as the original ps2

the release is someday in november this year
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 10:38pm

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Yes, it is pointless, though it's smaller, it is coming out way too late, every has already chosen there consoles, waiting for new games while playing old ones, and are waiting for the next gen consoles. Maybe if this was the release design, it would be better, but gamecubers have there GameCubes, som have more than one, but the ones who have PS2, are going to stick with it 'till next gen, it will not sell well.

By the way, this had NOTHING to do with the Nintendo DS.
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serpent, making sure we know who's boss razz
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 10:57pm

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cantaclaro wrote:

watch it in motion.

Beats the crap out of N64.
Thank you canta, and remember, these are early games, early screens. And, graphics don't make much of a difference. As long as you have fun playing the games. After all, games are for your entertainment. If you want a cool good graphic movie, watch Final Fantasy or a Pixar movie or something.
@Waser, hehe.
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 11:38pm

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*Evman looks at the picture of the DS. Then to his gl2. Then to the pic again. Then back to the GL2.*

...

I think I'll pass....

razz
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 11:49pm

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Yeah, evman, I'm with you. The games on my XL1 are SO much better than any games on the DS. Plus, I can take pictures with my XL1. Can the DS to that? I think not.

Edit: Also, I'm totally trading in my current PS2 for the small version. That opens up way more shelf space.
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 11:51pm

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And it has WAY better graphics. smile
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yeah, the gl2 has awesome games.

*Evman hopes that newbies will be fooled by his HI-larious antics
Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004, 11:59pm

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evman101 wrote:

yeah, the gl2 has awesome games.

*Evman hopes that newbies will be fooled by his HI-larious antics
Ah dude! The GL2 has games too! Sweet!
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 12:30am

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Yeah, but there's somewhere you gotta settle on, Serp. There's ALWAYS going to be something better, newer, more expensive. That doesn't mean that everybody is going to pass the pstwo up. I mean, its a good idea. They go for second round customers who didn't buy the original or thought it was too bulky and went for a different system. This isn't there "answer" to the competitor, its just an "extra marketing" technique, designed to squeeze all the money out of the playstation franchise. Anyway, the DS looks promising, but I'm going PSP all the way. Nintendo and Playstation have both had even influences for me, but I had to go PS2 when it came to the choice between it and the Gamecube. I like both, but I JUST bought the retro SP, so I'll probably pass on the DS and trade up to a PSP. The PsTwo looks cool as well. I might even sell my old one and buy it. My PS2 is the first one to be released in Texas, and it seems to be kind of a 'prototype' or something. Not all the functions or startup videos are the same, but thats cool, cuz when I had it and nobody else did I could say: "Bw-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahaha! I got it! I got it!"

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Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 12:36am

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I specifically stated it wont sell well. I never said no one would buy it...
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 12:43am

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I guarantee it'll sell well. As long as there are still quality games on it, people will buy it. I'll probably get rid of mine like I said and get that, and I'm sure a lot of people will do the same, or get it for the portability. Aren't PSone's still selling? Those came out nearly 4 years ago.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 1:44am

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Yeah, I guess your right. But I still think it's a bit late.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 2:15am

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Serpent wrote:

Yeah, I guess your right. But I still think it's a bit late.
Serp, thus is a pointless argument. It's like arguing whether Mac or PC is better. No one wins. Everybody loses and goes home crying like a sissy. We agree to disagree, okay?

Touche *STAB!* (hahaha! I got a cheap shot on ya!) smile
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 2:25am

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don't think he's really trying to argue.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 3:00am

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Nope, I am not, I think he is thinking about our argument on aim. But let's not start that. Anyways, isn't the DS gonna rule? smile
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 12:38pm

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I think ds is going to be greate, but I'll wait 1-2 years and se if the price change, GameCube is very cheep right now...
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 2:11pm

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Nice, there is only one problem. Should I go for the PSP or DS?
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 8:33pm

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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

Nice, there is only one problem. Should I go for the PSP or DS?
The only one who knows that... is you!
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 8:36pm

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Well, you've got the money, so why not get both?
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 10:28pm

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Read reviews. DS is owning the PSP. Hardware, 3rd and 2nd party support, game library, almost everything. But it depends on what kind of games you like. DS has games for everything. PSP is kind of limited right now. Look at oth libraries. And DS is a whole lot cheaper. A ton f my friends who are suckers for Sony are liking the DS better.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2004, 11:58pm

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Serpent wrote:

who are suckers for Sony

atom, Nintendo sux wrote:

who are suckers for Nintendo
And you said this wasn't an argument. smile
Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2004, 12:22am

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No, no offense, but that was idiotic. A sucker for something is an expression meaning they like it. I am a sucker for soccer, etc. I am not arguing with anyone. My friends like Nintendo. You for example, are a sucker for your own movies. My friend is a sucker for Linux. etc etc. It is not a bad thing when used as an expression, which I obviously did...
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Yeah so how cool is that head set that is coming out for the DS. That gets me excited!

Canta unsure
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Here is a great example of the difference between old and new: http://ds.ign.com/articles/541/541754p1.html If you haven't already seen it, it's a brilliant article. And here's a close up of the built in instant messaging program, Pictochat: URL The game library is amazing. Pictochat and wifi multiplayer will rule, because my actor who played Charlie in Charlie is getting one, and if we are on different seats on the bus, we can talk via Pictochat, and play Metroid, or FFCC, or maybe even the rumored, SSB and Soul Caliber. I can not wait.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2004, 2:02am

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Serpent wrote:

No, no offense, but that was idiotic. A sucker for something is an expression meaning they like it. I am a sucker for soccer, etc. I am not arguing with anyone. My friends like Nintendo. You for example, are a sucker for your own movies. My friend is a sucker for Linux. etc etc. It is not a bad thing when used as an expression, which I obviously did...
Touche

cantaclaro wrote:

Yeah so how cool is that head set that is coming out for the DS. That gets me excited!

Canta unsure
PSP! DS! It's all good! I'm just happy I have a choice!
Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2004, 2:39am

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I'll probably buy the DS, wait for the PSP, then wait 6 months, and buy that. That way, I'll have EVERYTHING and nobody can argue with me. The DS is cool. DEFINITELY a big improvement design wise since E3. The model they showed us there was crap.
Posted: Tue, 9th Nov 2004, 3:25am

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Hey, update: New games announced. It's coming to US 21st. Here is a vid that got me excited: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/nwt/dssoft/movie/dssoft.html Just check out all the new stuff if you want at http://ds.advancedmn.com/ . Game lists, screen shots, video links, etc.
Posted: Tue, 9th Nov 2004, 3:44am

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I saw that wildboys commercial when they were playing the DS in the wild on mtv. The DS just doesnt look like something Id want I never really liked gameboys or any kind of game system you carry around, Ill just save my money for a ps3 or xbox 2.
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DS looks slick. PSP looks slicker. that is, till goldeneye comes out for the DS...then i'll never stop playing..and if the single greatest console shooter ever made, Perfect Dark, comes out for it...lets just say i think it will be the second most fun things you can do in an airplane bathroom.
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My DS is arriving in a few days time!

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Cannot wait!
Posted: Tue, 9th Nov 2004, 10:52pm

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Mine arrives the 21st and I take it to the Appalachian mountains on a Thanksgiving vacation my immediate family takes, where we eat, hike, watch tv, just chill out. I am going to play DS (Mario 64 DS and Metroid demo) and maybe film a movie. er-no, are you importing it from here (US), getting it online, or is it from your connections with video game people?
Posted: Tue, 16th Nov 2004, 3:38am

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Another update here- You can play the DS at most electronic stores that sell games, (Best Buy, EB Games), I have not yet seen Mario, but the Metroid demo, my friend said it was great.

Now, you can get a better look at the game coming on launch this Sunday even better. It looks amazing: http://nintendods.com/sm64ds/final/ <<Awesome site, I highly reccomend.

I also rescripted a site, thanks to scotman74, that counts down the seconds until the DS arrives: http://cpostudios.com/DSReleaseDate.html
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Dude, that's awesome! How much is the DS and is it backwards compatible?
Posted: Tue, 16th Nov 2004, 2:32pm

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I think I am with Slick on this one.....Just save my cash and get Xbox 2 when it comes out...well I heard it was going to be called Xbox Next....haha
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I'm with serpent. Super mario 64 ds looks so great. I still play it now on my 64. The graphics are crazy. I can't wait till they make the full version of metroid prime: hunters.
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"Xbox next" is a console buddy. This would be a handheld. And Xbox Next doesn't come out for ages. Ben, it is backwards compatible with only GBA games, still awesome though. The DS is only 150$ and comes with a Metroid Prime demo with multiplayer capabilities. I never liked GameBoys THAT much. But this is gonna be something diferent. It adds so much more to gaming. Touch screen, 3d portability, etc. Try it out at a DS kiosk near you (and don't judge based on one game, try 'em out.)

And watch the vids on that Mario site. OMG I CAN'T WAIT, this is to me like HL 2 and H2 is to some of you.
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So no original GB, GBP, and GBC games?
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No. But oh well, I never play any of those anyways. They are boring in my eyes. I have none that I want to play, they did it so people will still have a motive to buy their GBA's and GBA SP's. We were lucky to get GBA game ports. Man I can't wait, I have my desktop set to a DS one I found at that Mario site (they are hidden within DS buttons on character pages.)
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wow, can't any of you people just wait an extra month until you can get it free for christmas? Geez. biggrin
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No, are you freacking crazy?!?! smile
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*drool* Just caught site of this. http://ds.ign.com/articles/564/564540p1.html (I haven't played one yet, sadly.)
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This is how the DS should be.
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No, it is perfect now. The top panel covers up the buttons. No chance of getting jammed, it is durable, your design absoulutely sucks.
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Don't dis my design! My design rules! Every time you turn off the DS, a magic force field covers the buttons, hence not damaging the DS. Touche!
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THE DS IS OUT!!!!!!!!!! Man, I wish I had money to buy one! I know Serpent probably already has his.
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even if I could afford one, i think id wait for xmas. The DS just screams xmas gift
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heh. if i could get it for christmas I would, but I have a very limited christmas allowance this year... erherm... gl2... erherm. razz

Besides, I might just wait for the GBA 2
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Was that a joke or were you serious?
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ben: Was the GBA 2 comment a Joke?

Actually, I heard that Nintendo will be releasing a new GameBoy version. The DS wasn't meant to replace the GB franchise, just to be a more advance portable gaming system. I think most of the confusion regarding whether or not the GB line has been terminated with the introduction of the DS has been because of the DS's ability to play GBA games... this feature was more that likely added so that more advanced users could take their old games with them to the DS, but think of the DS not as an upgrade, but as a Higher Level portable system aimed at older audiences.

The new GB will definately come sooner or later because Nintendo stills wants to appeal to their youngest fans, and the DS is just too advanced. I think a lot of gamers got their start into the world of videogames with their first GameBoy. It's a small, simple to use system that very young users can enjoy. I've seen 3 or 4 year olds walking around with thier trusty GB's smile

It's a smart idea for Nintendo to keep the GB line going, after all, if a kids first real videogame is played on his trusty GameBoy... there's a good chance he'll stick with the company he's grown to love as his gaming interests mature, graduating to the DS, 'Cube and future consoles.

I'm very surprised that no other companies have cornered the children's gaming market as well as Nintendo has. It's truley an ingenious market stratagy. Once a Nintendo fan, always a Nintendo fan.

Wow, long winded. I need to put some of this thought into the paper I should be writing right now biggrin
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My DS is arriving in the next few days!!!!

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Cannot wait. Going to make lectures fun again.
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ben3308 wrote:

Was that a joke or were you serious?
I was completely serious in both parts of my post.
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I have mine...and boy is it bad ace!

Canta unsure
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Got mine as well. It is off te foshizzle. Everything about it. When D-Masked comes out, we need to set up an online fxhome "server" thingy for some multiplayer games. For metroid, one control mode is like keyboard mouse. What games you guys get? I got Mario 64 DS. Just the mini games were worth the 30$ biggrin
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The DS is awesome. I've been playing it all day and already got 32 stars in Super Mario. Luigi's casino minigames are really great.
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Serpent wrote:

Got mine as well. It is off te foshizzle. Everything about it. When D-Masked comes out, we need to set up an online fxhome "server" thingy for some multiplayer games. For metroid, one control mode is like keyboard mouse. What games you guys get? I got Mario 64 DS. Just the mini games were worth the 30$ biggrin
Maaaaaaaan, I wish I had the money to buy one.
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Man!!!!! I want a DS so fricking bad! I'm so taken up with it that I often find myself incorporating phrases like, "touch-screen", "thumbstrap", and "polygon" into sentences that they don't make sense with, while my friends look at me like I'm crazy. And then, once I get 100 more bucks to buy the DS, then all I have to play on it is stinking Metroid. I guess I'll have to get 130 more bucks so that I can spring for Mario. Good luck gaming, y'all, have fun without me. Oh, yeah, and WTF is D-Masked?
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Mine is currently in transit!

Going to get a few games free next week in the post too!
Can't wait smile
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D-Masked is wireless internet (probably free) where you can play with people all over the world. But, we do not know if it is every where you go. It may be hotspots, you have to have wireless adapter, etc. Info will be released soon enough, I'll post when it comes.
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So it's an adapter for a LAN? For some reason I thought it was Wireless-B outfitted. Hmm...
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Tell me what that is and I can answer questions. smile
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I dunno if this is right, but I understood that there would be LAN connectivity.

http://www.nintendo.com/techspecds

Tech Specs from Nintendo Website wrote:

Nintendo DS Technical Specifications

* Size (closed): 5.85" wide / 3.33" long / 1.13" tall
* Upper Screen: Backlit, 3-inch, semitransparent reflective TFT color LCD with 256x192 pixel resolution and .24 mm dot pitch
* Touch Screen: Same as upper screen, but with transparant analog touch screen
* Color: Capable of displaying 260,000 colors
* Wireless Communication: IEEE 802.11 and Nintendo's proprietary format; wireless range is 30 to 100 feet, depending on circumstances; multiple users can play multiplayer games using just one DS game card
* Controls: Touch screen, embedded microphone for voice recognition, A/B/X/Y face buttons, plus control pad, L/R shoulder buttons, Start and Select buttons
* Input/Output: Ports for both Nintendo DS game cards and Game Boy Advance Game Paks, terminals for stereo headphones and microphone
* Other Features: Embedded PictoChat software that allows up to 16 users to chat at once; embedded real-time clock; date, time and alarm; touch-screen calibration
* CPUs: One ARM9 and one ARM7
* Sound: Stereo speakers providing virtual surround sound, depending on the software
* Battery: Lithium ion battery delivering six to 10 hours of play on a four-hour charge, depending on use; power-saving sleep mode; AC adapter
* Languages: English, Japanese, Spanish, French, German, Italian
* Color: Silver and black
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I've had my DS for almost 2 days and it's the best ever! Got super mario 64 DS also. can't put it down! hugegrin
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im getting one for christmas, but i cant wait that long, so im gonna search for it in the cupboard now
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hm... I suppose all those ebay auctions selling it for 1 cent are fake then... *sigh* smile
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im expecting the PSP to totally own this, seeing as when gamecube came out which was a year after ps2, ps2 was still better than it.
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well sure, if more people are rich, then yeah. DS has the advantage in price point.
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The Gamecube rocked the PS2's ass as far as graphics, anybody who says otherwise is just wrong.

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And besides, the DS is not basically a small version of the Gamecube. The PSP is basically a small version of the PS2, with the same games.
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DS is more like a mini N64
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After not liking how the ds was by descriptions in reviews and such, I checked it out at the store and was actually pretty impressed. It changed my whole opinion about the system... Which makes me think... Holidays are coming up! wink
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I have to wait until Christmas or my mom is threatening to take away my notebook indefinetly. unsure ....Happy Thanksgiving, y'all.
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Aculag wrote:

And besides, the DS is not basically a small version of the Gamecube. The PSP is basically a small version of the PS2, with the same games.
Well, it might try to be, but Sony have been having serious problems getting any of the PS2 games ported and running well on the PSP. Promising specifications is different to delivering them.
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cantaclaro wrote:

The Gamecube rocked the PS2's ass as far as graphics, anybody who says otherwise is just wrong.

Canta unsure
yes thats true, but ps2 rocked gamecubes ass on everything else,
dvd playability, networking, GAMES, pure coolness

Nuff said
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xbreaka wrote:


dvd playability
The dvd has been out a good time now, think everybody have a player. So why should Gamecube be criticized becouse of that?
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thats the thing I didn't really think you ever needed. Now, with these mini disks for the GC, there is talk of them being able to play in future handhelds.
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hmmm.... how much are all the games? I found Mario DS on Amazon for 49.50 as the lowest price, and that is used. I thought the games would be cheaper than that. How much did you guys get your games for?

And on Amazon, I could only find the ds for $220 as the lowest price... I thought it was cheaper as well... how much was yours?
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150 for the system + 30 for Mario at Best Buy.
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DS is more like a mini N64
Haha, good one Pooky. That made me laugh. (Check the game library you ignorant person. (NO PORTS WHAT SO-EVER)
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Tadah! http://ds.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=1380 There ya' go ben and anyone else who has asked me, or anyone who has it on there mind. Onlineness confirmed, check the article.
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Serpent wrote:

pooky wrote:

DS is more like a mini N64
Haha, good one Pooky. That made me laugh. (Check the game library you ignorant person. (NO PORTS WHAT SO-EVER)
I was talking hardware-wise.
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Oh. DS is better though. But yes, very similar.
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Oh. DS is better though. But yes, very similar.
Not necessarily. It depends on what you want in a portable system. (Or perhaps the sleeker, chicer style of the PSP. wink )
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In May I'll go on an end-of-the-year trip with my grade, and it'll be a 12 hour trip. So that's pretty much all that's making me consider getting a DS, and I've settled on waiting till March or April for its price to drop, and then get it.

Either that or an iPod video.
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iPod video? You joking, or is that real? Or did you mean the iPod photo?
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there's such thing as an ipod video now?
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There will probably be one soon, you just watch. Reason is that Apple is just stalling with the iPod photo so they can get enough time to make a video player better than everyone else's.

At least, that's what I think.

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atom wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Oh. DS is better though. But yes, very similar.
Not necessarily. It depends on what you want in a portable system. (Or perhaps the sleeker, chicer style of the PSP. wink )
What? What are you talkinga bout. Technically, PSP>DS>N64 That is all tech spec wise. I was comparing the DS to the N64. PLease read the whole conversation before mindlessly posting.

EDIT: Pooky, you are right. iTunes=music (got that on iPod) iPhoto=Pics (got that now) iDVD/iMovie=Movies. Movies will come soon. I hope. But the battery life better not go down much. If at all.
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I doubt Apple would make an iPod video. Maybe a portable video player, or an iPod attachment or something, but like Aculag said some time ago, they've already got a huge market with the iPod and they wouldn't mesws with a good thing. The iPod isn't necessarily known for its 'state-of-the-art'-ness, its known for its design and functionality. If everyone just wanted to buy a video and audio player, then why aren't the N-Gage QDs selling? The iPod is good as it is. Something new, non-iPod, would be better.
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If everyone just wanted to buy a video and audio player, then why aren't the N-Gage QDs selling?
Because it's got almost no publicity smile That's a big part of why the iPod is selling so much, apart from that fact that's it's pretty and functional. Apple has really really good advertising, and if they did get an iPod video out, everybody would buy it at once.
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not to mention that, even for a cell phone gaming system....the NGage was crap in "cell phone gaming system" form
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Ngages bit. It's paying extra for nothing (the gaming part.) Buy one of those audio/video specific systems. Like the one billy 3d wanted or w/e.
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Yeah, that Archos video player that Billy wanted is awesome; but you have to prioritize what you buy, so I probably won't ever get one if I ever want to get my XL2 (cross your fingers).
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so... how bout that ds, guys? wink
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Back to the iPod thing. Apple should come out with a Video iPod that can record raw dv from your cam (like those portable HD Recorders). That would be sweet. Plus they could implement video playback on it so that you could download and watch videos on your TV (iMovie Movie Store). They could even call it something cheesy like the PowerPod or viPod (video Pod). It could be like Powermac G5 brushed metal. Ok well I am getting away from myself. By the way I finally played the DS today and I must admit I was impressed (although I started playing with the idea that it would be really dumb).
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evman101 wrote:

so... how bout that ds, guys? wink

therenegade wrote:

Back to the iPod thing.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA smack in yo face!
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hehe wink
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Thats not what I meant. But hey cant argue with the results.
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name of the thread - Nintendo DS Updates... Talk about the DS. Not iPod. Start a new thread if its really that important.
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Receiving Super Mario 64 DS this week.

I'm really looking forward to playing it.. but I'll have to do that over Xmas. My uni work is stressing me out. No time for any games sad
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what makes the DS better then the playstation portable?
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Rating: +1

8 to 10 hour battery life on the DS

2 to 3 hour battery life on the PSP

Winner DS

New way to play new games on the go. DS

Play the same crappy games from the PS2 on the PSP...only with worse graphics, gameplay, sound, controls.

Winner DS

Canta unsure

PS: Wiry why would you post such an unflattering picture of a PSP game. You aren't really helping your argument by posting some a PSP game about Cats with PS1 graphics.
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Shame the PSP is way WAY more powerful than the DS. Hang on, thats not a shame - its pretty great really.

Personally I think it'll be quite a big sales point that the PSP has many of the games from the most popular games console on the market (what with there being more PS2s about than GCs and Xboxs put together.. then times that by 2 and you're still not near).

The DS looks interesting but if I were to buy a handheld I know my money would go on the most powerful handheld on the market made by the same people who make the most popular games console.

Still it'll be interesting to see what games makers do with the control methods the DS gives them although most of it looks like its trying to re-invent the wheel a bit...

The Gamecube rocked the PS2's ass as far as graphics, anybody who says otherwise is just wrong.

Canta
Erm, don't get me wrong, I love my GameCube but the PS2 is more powerful than the GC both graphically and CPU wise. The Xbox owns them both on the GPU but, if programmed correctly, the PS2 has the fastest CPU of the lot (followed by the Xbox then the GC last again).

The problem with the DS is that its more like N64 power, and although the PSP will fall short of the PS2 power which was intended, it'll still be close and therefore much more powerful than the DS.
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though the PSP is obviously more powerful......I think, but the fact that it used the UMD or whatever, and is the only thing that uses the UMD, and that is the only thing you can play on a PSP, really brings it down in my book. I really think backwards compatibility (i can spell!) is important with systems today, and I love the fact that the DS has such an open library right off the bat. also, the longer battery life, better games (my opinion of course), and low low price put it much higher on my "to buy" list than the PSP. I might get a PSP at the first pricedrop though
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I doubt I'll buy either to be honest. But I can really see a strong case for the PSP being a better buy than the DS to the general public. Not that i'm saying Nintendo needs to be that worried - its in such a strong position at the moment in the handheld market. But then it was in a strong position in the console market when the Playstation appeared.

I hope they can both get equal market share and both do well - having one company totally owning a market like this just limits the options of the gamer in the end anyway. Would be nice if the next generation consoles can give Sony some real competition as well - might see some great games come from a console war like that.
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Waser quickly counters Schwar's sensible comment

yeah....welll.....yo mama! it's onnnnnnnnn!
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schwar wrote:

Personally I think it'll be quite a big sales point that the PSP has many of the games from the most popular games console on the market (what with there being more PS2s about than GCs and Xboxs put together.. then times that by 2 and you're still not near).
Schwar the only problem that I have with what you said is that nobody wants to go out and spend 50 dollars on GT4 for the PS2 then go right out again and spend 50 more dollars on the GT4 for the PSP.

The whole point of a handheld system is that you can take it with you, play it throughout the day then come home and charge it, sometimes you might even skip a charge or two, just like you do with your mobile phone. 2 hours of battery life is just terrible by today's standards, and just shows that the Sony folks might have aimed too high for their first handheld system. Nintendo knows what gamers want/need, they have been doing handhelds for a long time.

Oh yeah and the one factor that every one is failing to mention, durability.

My DS is built like a freakin' tank, dropped it from at least 5 feet up the other day on to concrete, picked it up, turned it on and it worked perfectly, CLAMSHELL BABY.

It doesn't matter how awesome the PSP is graphically if the screen is scratched up or the little analog nub doesn't work as well from repeated droppings. Sony doesn't make durable electronics and I doubt the PSP will be any different.

Canta unsure
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The PSP does have better graphics capabilities than the DS, but battery life is a major pain.

my 2 cents.
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Schwar the only problem that I have with what you said is that nobody wants to go out and spend 50 dollars on GT4 for the PS2 then go right out again and spend 50 more dollars on the GT4 for the PSP.
Can you play GameCube games on the DS without having to buy another copy?
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schwar wrote:

Shame the PSP is way WAY more powerful than the DS. Hang on, thats not a shame - its pretty great really.
Powerful for what? There are no games being worth powerful for. most anticipated game for PSP owners: Metal Gear Solid. Turnout: It's a freakin turn based card game. DS adds something new to gaming: The touch screen. You really should try it out, it is very fun. And disks add nothing to portability. When I went to the mall with my friends, I was able to fit 3 cartridges in my wallet, not worrying about scratches. DS is smaller, making it more pportable. Yet the screen is just is big (because it has two of them.) The fold up feature prevents scratch on the go. The DS also has good graphics. Try it out, Metroid, Mario. It's like, OMG. The price, DS is much cheaper and will lower as well. The games are 20$ cheaper. Multiplayer: Nintendo has had more expierience in this field. I am sure PSP will squeeze out a few good multiplayer games. But try Metroid on multiplayer. We played 3 player at luch, it was a blast. The wireless works more than 100 feet, Nintendo under exaggerates. You don't have to face each other, and it CAN go through walls. Unlike what the manual says. The wireless speed is not fast, not slow, it is instant. NO waiting times. And since it is a cartridge, almost no loading times. NO memory cards needed. Controlling: No crappy nub. Memory cardness: PSP requires 2 seperate memory cards, one for mp3's etc, and the few movies that are released in that certain format, and another for games. Nintendo: Built into the cartrdges. Also, Sony hasn't confirmed if they have this feature, but Nintendo allows multiplayer for some games using only one cartridge. Those are my reasons for DS over PSP. The PSP's power: Wow, but it takes up battery too much too quickly, and it has no games I am excited for. My 2 cents. (or more)
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Schwar, you say the PS2 is more popular... It is, but the PSP won't be. DS not only has a far better game library and controls going for it, but durability and battery life. But here's the kicker... It's frickin cheap compared to the PSP. Its just as good if not better, and half the price, with a price drop around the corner. Not to mention over 120 games currently in development which are unique in their own way, not just the same boring console game on a portable. Not to mention that people trust nintendo with handhelds totally. My money's on the DS for this one.
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The price, DS is much cheaper and will lower as well.
I wouldnt consider it much cheaper.
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id consider half the cost MUCH cheaper
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Isnt it <$50 more expensive?
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I'll probably getting the nintendo DS as it'll no doubt rock and Nintendo are notoriously excellent with their handheld consoles.

On the handheld note, I'm getting an N-Gage QD... compared to the origional Model of N-Gage it's an excellent piece of kit that isn't expensive. I've only really played one game on it though called Pocket-Kingdom, which is brilliant. Plus it's a phone, which is what I really need it for.

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I'm not really on the move enough to warrant anything like this. And when I am on the move, I'd far rather read a book/magazine/newspaper/etc! So there.
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Brettsta wrote:

Isnt it <$50 more expensive?
Yes, but DS comes witha free great multiplayer game. And the price of games make it much cheaper. And this is if Sony makes it 200$ (losing money.)
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most market analysitsts....i can spell....say the PSP will be 300, as did some goofball who works at sony
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http://psp.ign.com/articles/560/560947p1.html
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Serpent many are saying that Sony is trying to attack Nintendo at home in Japan and that they will try and make their money back here in the US. With all of the technology inside of the PSP Sony has to be losing about $100 a system easy. Who knows, but I wouldn't get a PSP anyway unless the battery life problem got fixed.

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didnt know about the projected price drop, but im weary of anything to come out of IGN
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I wish they had battery life, and good games. Someone, please post a worthwhile game. (Not a PS2 port.)
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Serpent wrote:

I wish they had battery life, and good games. Someone, please post a worthwhile game. (Not a PS2 port.)
Metal Gear Ac!d (as in I would have to be on acid to buy a Metal Gear Card game with PS2 graphics)

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What's everyone's problem with battery-life? Recharge the frickin thing! It's not like there aren't any power outlets!
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The point of a "portable" system is that you don't have to worry about being tied down with any cords... so you can take it around... get it?
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Yes, but it can still function without being plugged in all the time. My laptop battery only lasts 2 and a half hours, and when it gets low....okay, get this....I PLUG IT IN! OMG!!!! THAT'S SOOOOOO HARD TO DO!!!!!!!!
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Nope, you still don't understand.
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ben3308 wrote:

Yes, but it can still function without being plugged in all the time. My laptop battery only lasts 2 and a half hours, and when it gets low....okay, get this....I PLUG IT IN! OMG!!!! THAT'S SOOOOOO HARD TO DO!!!!!!!!
If your gonna have a plug near you then just buy a PS2...

duh...

Portable gaming systems are meant so that you can take them anywhere without having to worry about a plug for a long time.
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Situation: You go to the mall and you are playing your DS with your friends, oh wait, this is Ben we're talkin' about. Never mind ben, go ahead and get a PSP.

But seriously, on the go you wont have a plug to plug it in to. Battery life is a huge deal. I was able to go through a full school day for 5 days, no recharging needed. I also played a lot at home, and other places. You ben, are an idiot.
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Serpent wrote:

Situation: You go to the mall and you are playing your DS with your friends, oh wait, this is Ben we're talkin' about.
Okay, that was uncalled for. Seriously. Are you implying that I have no friends? Because that was pretty malicious.

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But seriously, on the go you wont have a plug to plug it in to. Battery life is a huge deal. I was able to go through a full school day for 5 days, no recharging needed. I also played a lot at home, and other places.
I understand the significance of battery life, all I'm saying is that its not really the hugest thing in the world. I would think that if you wanted to play a game striaght for two hours or more that you would be near a plug. There just might be a chance that you could plug it up and charge it whilst you're playin it. And if not, then charge it when necessary. Yeah, battery power is a good thing, but something that runs for 2 hours is OKAY. It's just that in today's society we are constantly wanting things better that we forget about the old things. I understand the arguement, but you don't have to a fanatic about it. Almost every residential or commercial building in North America and Europe has a power outlet. C'mon, now, use your brain. And if you're going on a twelve hour trip- as Pooky indicated he will be doing- then conserve battery power and do something instead of playing it for some of the time. Don't just play video games the whole time and do nothing else. That is a fantastic friend-repellant. wink

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You ben, are an idiot.
Okay, THAT was uncalled for as well. No, I am in fact NOT an idiot, nor do I intend on becoming one. I'm actually a quite intellectual person, so please don't insult me; seeing as I haven't yet insulted you.

Oh, and on a final note, I do not intend to buy a PSP, I intend to buy a DS, so if you think I'm just trying to defend the nice little people who work at Sony, then you, my good sir, are wrong. Serpent, we're cool, so consider this arguement dropped form here on out; you know I don't like the PSP.
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The first one was a joke. And you can' physically hear me. when I said idiot, it was more un harshly and saying it was a dumb comment, hence the "but seriously." Lemme read the rest, I will edit and reply. Nothing much else to say. Youi pretty much changed your view (as of your old one.) Only, 2 hours is unacceptable. I still haven't charged my DS and played it for 2 hours while waiting at the hair cutter place.
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Could you not have plugged it up at the barber shop? I know that sounds strange, but a little extra effort could benefit us fat, lazy Americans!
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Nah, you're right, that wouldn't have looked absurd. I boy walks in with a massive coil of plugs, and plugs it in to the wall, and begins playing.
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The plug for the DS is miniscule. Hypothetically, if the DS had what is now considered by many 'poor battery life' then carrying around a small, wrapped-up cable really wouldn't be a hassle, especially considering the DS's size. (You'd usually carry it in a backpack or something, as it doesn't go easily into your pocket)
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But why carry something extra around in your pocket. Ben you don't have a foot to stand on so to save face you are delving into hypotheticals maybe you should just bow out gracefully by not responding.

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canta's right. You're digging yourself into a hole. Your entire argument is ridiculous. Just quit now while you're behind. You're not going to get any farther than where you are now.
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Easy now gentlemen wink

My outlook is that The Nintendo DS is a step forwards, it's not just a handheld version of their older console. It is something entirely different with rather groovy versions of older games available for it.
My perception of the PSP isn't as respectful, problem is... I've played or won't want to play any games currently due for it as I did years and years ago. The fact you can carry it around isn't a brilliant selling point unless the machine itself is potentially excellent.

Nintendo often have really varied, innovative games released on their consoles. I have a GameBoy Advance and a Gamecube solely because of this, sure... the PS2 may pwn it with the likes of GTA, but there's a very special quality assurance you get with nintendo. I'm talkin' Eternal Darkness, Viewtiful Joe (granted it's now on ps2 as well), MonkeyBall, Final Fantasy CC and Tactics. It's a real shame nintendo are either useless at marketing or just don't care about us dirty westerners. Because they don't half know how to make a great game.
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With Reggie, marketing wont be a problem anymore. We have tons of adds. Even old people who don't know what a computer is knows what a DS is. In America that is, he is the adverising VP at NOA.
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even though I bet he'll do wonders for nintendo, I really don't like Reggie Phils-Aime. I really hate his "I'm gonna punch you in the neck and shove and gameboy up your ass" attitude. I liked nintendo because of the kidiness. I found it quite charming.
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Wait, I just realized...

The PSP is going to have a game library which consists of all PS2 game ports?

NINTENDO RECYCLES MORE GAMES THAN ANYONE ELSE.

Their premiere title is Mario 64, for crying out loud!


Prediction:

This is hardly a revolution in hand-held gaming. I've seen some very impressive screens from the PSP, but it's no longer technologically impressive to see 3d graphics in a hand-held system.

Neither of them are certainly worth their price tag at the moment. The DS is closer to a good price than the PSP, but I don't find it that impressive. All it has going for it is a touch screen, and slightly-better-than N64 style grpahics. Oooooh. And the PSP? Graphics. That's it.

No groundbreaking games. No incredible innovations. There isn't really anything new here. It's just in either a smaller form, or oriented in a different direction.

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That is a pretty dumb prediction. Nintendo already sold 500,000 DS's last week here in the US, and the DS was just released in Japan today, and they had over 2 million preorders. I wouldn't call that much of a failure, would you Niko?

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Ridge Racer DS:



Ridge Racer PSP:




Again! That was so much fun. Guess which is which.



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great comparisons niko, not biased at all
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Are you accusing me of being a cog in the machine of the mass media?
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Was the really a screener for RR on the DS Sidewinder? I really hope not as thats just utterly lame - doesn't even look PS1 or N64 good to me. Not exactly a huge advance in anyway. I can't see much point in gimmicky new control systems if the thing has the same graphics power as my mobile phone (which has a good 3D tennis game on it). Sure, amazing graphics don't make a good game but we should expect them to be pretty good in this day and age.

I think your comments on both the machines are fair sidewinder - neither machine is really doing anything new or amazing but i know where i would put my money (if i had to and if i had any biggrin ).

Sure the PSP isn't quite PS2 powerful but the it doesn't have to fill the same amount of pixels so it could easily be 20% slower graphically and still have the visual quality/speed of the PS2. If the DS can only get that kinda quality when it has an even smaller amount of pixels to fill then thats just silly - guess we'll have to wait for the next GameBoy or as i like to call it "another way for Nintendo to screw money out of the last area of the games market where it still has a foot hold". Then, if we're really lucky, we might see something nearly as powerful as the GameCube - wow!

As for battery life, like my mobile phone i would stick the thing on charge every night when i got home. I would like to think i wouldn't spend 2-3hours of my free time playing on a handheld every day as i should have better things to do. I think 2-3hours is just fine really - if not safe!
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Sidewinder, please...

A) DS, that was a blown up screen.

B) Ridge racer will bite, no matter how good the graphics are anyways.

C) Gues how many ports the DS has? 4 ports. And they aren't even direct ports

D) http://media.ds.ign.com/media/704/704841/vids_1.html Watch the bottom left vid. Not only does it have prettygood graphics on this vid, it is majorly compressed. Please watch it.

E) DS wil not fail, it has already made money. PSP has already loss money. Because it wil cost more money to make the system then it will to sell it. Also, it is amazing how big the DS is. At my highschool, everyone is getting a DS. It isn't even Christmas and we are already having 5 people per room chat rooms in class in Pictochat, and Metroid and Mario games.

So many people will have DS, one of the great things about it is its multiplayer, and you can set up games via Pictochat. PSP doesn't have this feature. And, DS will soon be online with 2 different services. And they will both be free. You will be able to connect anywhere in the US as long as you aren't in nowhere land.

And please watch that vid. BTW: That RR screen for the PSP is not game play footage. And remember what they said about the PS2: It will have "Toy Story quality graphics."

svhwar: The DS is doing somehing new, wirless multiplayer, pictochat, touch screen, portability=amazing, etc.
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It would appear the screeners of RR on the PSP are in game footage and they aren't even full resolution like the DS ones. Sidey's post got me interested so i went searching for some more screenshot today...

Ridge Racer DS in game


Urban GT DS in game


Ridge Racer PSP in game


GT4 PSP in engine but not in game


Seems a tad silly to compare them really. Mario 64 on the DS with its vastly more simple graphics does look better than these car games but it still doesn't get even slightly near the PSP.
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Serpent wrote:

Sidewinder, please...

A) DS, that was a blown up screen.

B) Ridge racer will bite, no matter how good the graphics are anyways.

C) Gues how many ports the DS has? 4 ports. And they aren't even direct ports

D) http://media.ds.ign.com/media/704/704841/vids_1.html Watch the bottom left vid. Not only does it have prettygood graphics on this vid, it is majorly compressed. Please watch it.

E) DS wil not fail, it has already made money. PSP has already loss money. Because it wil cost more money to make the system then it will to sell it. Also, it is amazing how big the DS is. At my highschool, everyone is getting a DS. It isn't even Christmas and we are already having 5 people per room chat rooms in class in Pictochat, and Metroid and Mario games.
F) Most of those points are opinions. If you want to give yours, please don't state it as if it was a fact. Personally from what I've seen, Ridge Racer seems bleh, but that's just my opinion.
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Schwar, watch the vids. Seriously. Theya ren't as good as PSP but they are still decent. But I could really care less as I don't like racing games. (Hinting it should be about fun, not graphics, graphics add to the game, but aren't key.) And, RR didn't use the hardware to it's full potential. It was a 3rd party title. The small screen also makes the graphics look very good, please just try vids, and the game itself if you get a chance.

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A) DS, that was a blown up screen.

B) Ridge racer will bite, no matter how good the graphics are anyways.

C) Guess how many ports the DS has? 4 ports. And they aren't even direct ports. <<FACT

D) http://media.ds.ign.com/media/704/704841/vids_1.html Watch the bottom left vid. Not only does it have prettygood graphics on this vid, it is majorly compressed. Please watch it. <<Opinion, but it is sort of a fact.

E) DS wil not fail, it has already made money. PSP has already loss money. Because it wil cost more money to make the system then it will to sell it. Also, it is amazing how big the DS is. At my highschool, everyone is getting a DS. It isn't even Christmas and we are already having 5 people per room chat rooms in class in Pictochat, and Metroid and Mario games.<<FACT People at my school do have it. It is already not a failure. And PSP can't win unless they up the price.
75 percent was fact. So no, most of it was not opinionated.
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who gives a *fxhome censor* about graphics? The game play is what matters. Sure, you have to have good graphics, which is what the DS has... You don't need outstanding graphics for a HANDHELD. Right now, the DS offers the most interesting gameplay. The PSP is just a playstation controller with a screen glued in the middle. It offers nothing inovating in this way. The DS... Two screens! Touch screen! I've played it at the store, and it is amazingly fun and different from the regular consoles.

-Evman

P.S. - I'd like to see those screens scaled down to their respective DS and PSP pixel counts. Thats just stupid to compare screens of one handheld with a smaller pixel count, to one with a larger one, when they are both blown up to the same size.
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Serpent wrote:

B) Ridge racer will bite, no matter how good the graphics are anyways.

D) http://media.ds.ign.com/media/704/704841/vids_1.html Watch the bottom left vid. Not only does it have prettygood graphics on this vid, it is majorly compressed. Please watch it.

E) DS wil not fail, it has already made money. PSP has already loss money. Because it wil cost more money to make the system then it will to sell it. Also, it is amazing how big the DS is.
Are you saying this is all fact?
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"B" is opinion. "D" I said is half opinion, read my quote, i marked them for fact and opinion. (almost typed fiction wink) And "E" is half opinion, it is not a failure, that is a fact and PSP can't earn money unless they get sponsored by a rich company. so about 50-75%.
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Who cares about graphics?

...um...

Most people. Games are a visual and audible experience. Ever played Rez? Graphics DO matter. Don't blind yourself to that fact, and at the same moment, don't immediately assume that I'm saying I don't care about gameplay. But, even with great gameplay, a game with crappy graphics (and sound) usually offers an average experience compared to what's out there.

Oh, and on one side note, a game with amazing graphics usually means that the developers are knowledgeable about what they're doing, and have milked the platform for all it has, in ALL aspects.

And guys, there's no argument here regarding graphical superiority. The PSP beats the DS, pure and simple. Quality of games is another discussion, and it's one that you guys really can't have until the PSP is released.


And just to put the lid on the graphical debate, I present you the most amazing graphics on the PSP:

http://media.psp.ign.com/media/683/683271/vids_1.html

Egads! Doesn't that look awesome?
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everything you said is true. the thing is that the DS graphics don't suck. They are just not as good as PSP. But the DS makes up for it I think in Gameplay, affordibility, game price, battery life, multiplayer, and pictochat.
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Ok here is the thing about handhelds.

Because they are smaller versions of their console counterparts, their graphics cannot even be up to the previous generations of video game console i.e. the N64, and be very efficient.

Because of all of the miniaturization that needs to take place in order to make handheld systems, their graphical capabilities cannot be on par with the current generation because making a system of that caliber is not cost effective, as Nintendo knows and Sony will soon find out.

So by my definition the Sony handheld at $200 has to have a downfall somewhere. I would say it is definitely in the battery life department, durability department (watch out for the quality of those spinning drives...and the rest of the moving parts), and cost department (this is the cost to make each PSP and I guarantee that it isn't anywhere near 200 dollars).

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evman101 wrote:

everything you said is true. the thing is that the DS graphics don't suck. They are just not as good as PSP. But the DS makes up for it I think in Gameplay, affordibility, game price, battery life, multiplayer, and pictochat.

cantaclaro wrote:

Ok here is the thing about handhelds.

Because they are smaller versions of their console counterparts, their graphics cannot even be up to the previous generations of video game console i.e. the N64, and be very efficient.

Because of all of the miniaturization that needs to take place in order to make handheld systems, their graphical capabilities on par with the current generation because making a system of that caliber is not cost effective, as Nintendo knows and Sony will soon find out.

So by my definition the Sony handheld at $200 has to have a downfall somewhere. I would say it is definitely in the battery life department, durability department (watch out for the quality of those spinning drives...and the rest of the moving parts), and cost department (this is the cost to make each PSP and I guarantee that it isn't anywhere near 200 dollars).

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Exactly.

Now, you gusy (PSP side) still haven't named a good game coming out. I am not talking good graphics or anythng. A game that will be fun etc.

And did anyone go and watch those videos? Comments? It is not as bad as the screens make it look. And sidewinder, it certainly isn't bad, and DEFINATELY not bad enough to hurt your eyes or w/e you said.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2004, 8:16am

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It didn't hurt my eyes. It hurt my feelings.