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Attack of the Clones Trailer

Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 7:59am

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While this is not a fan film, it is a film we all care about. Now i know you've all seen the trailer, how about some reactions? Personally I think the action looks good but boy does the bluescreening look terrible. The scene with Anakin and Palpatine looks like they are totally out of place. Is it really necessary for Lucas to make every backround CG? Its not like it would hurt anything to build an actual set.

Unfortunately most of the rest of the CG looks like a cartoon. Yoda looked better than the Episode 1 Yoda, and the dialogue looked a lot better. But who knows, we'll just have to wait until May!
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 11:07am

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I love this trailer...first episode2 trailer to really get the juices flowing...

A lot of people are moaning about the CGI. Personally I think it's astonishing. I've never seen images like this before. This is bigger than anything. The sheer scale of this thing is mind-boggling...

...and I think that's the problem. It isn't that the CGI is in any way bad. It's just that the visuals are so huge, so fantastical, that they're never going to look 'real' as such. You either go with the film and suspend your disbelief, accepting that big creatures and spaceships exist, or you don't.

As for the bad bluescreening...doesn't look too bad to me, and you can guarantee they'll sort it out for the release. It's not like they find bluescreening terribly difficult these days.

As for the supposed bad CGI...I'd be interested to know just how much is CG and how much is model work. People moaned about episode1's bad CGI, not realising that most of it was models....

This film will succeed and fail on whether people are CGI-phobic or not. Also, I find myself not really paying attention to the special effects much, more what's going on in the trailer. Palpatine is looking like he's on a path to Emperor-hood, there's a great sense of ominous nastiness underneath the surface...the whole film looks like it's going to be dangerous.

That's what was missing from episode1 - a sense of real danger.
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 1:34pm

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I thought Palpatine was awesome
in the trailer, a real sense of evil about him, particulary when he was feeding Anakins ego. I remember seeing EP1 on opening night at the Odeon L.Sq.... I laughed when he said "we shall watch your career with great interest.." to Anakin, but not everyone understood what it was I was laughing at...
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 4:18pm

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Yeah, most people don't seem to get that Phantom Menace is all about Palpatine manipulating people and events to get himself into power, and that the supposedly happy-cheery ending is actually a very downbeat ending, because they have failed: Palpatine is the chancellor, his powers are growing....and they don't even realise it.

That shot of him at Qui-Gon's funeral is cool.

But, yeah, I'm very much looking forward to Attack of the Clones. Looks like Obi-Wan goes off on a bit of a detective thing, which should be fun.

Plus it has Christopher Lee. wink
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 4:28pm

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Lucas lost my interest with the overblown, sophmoric Episode I. II looks even worse with good actors performing badly and too many FX. Whatever happened to good storytelling like we had in The Empire Strikes Back. I'll happily look forward to The Two Towers instead (Also with Christopher Lee). Now if they kill Jar Jar in the first few minutes, maybe I'll be excited...


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Any complaints about story are ridiculous. Jsut from the trailers, this movie will have MORE plot than the last 5 hollywood hack jobs put together. Lucas has a LOT of ground to cover which means STORY STORY STORY.
I am already impressed with the innovation of his action scenes, and i think Yoda looks fantastic. You would NOT know he was not a puppet unless you already knew, and I have no trouble with the bluescreening.

This movie will rule. The innovation and FX and myth is a formula that cannot go wrong.
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 5:30pm

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Rating: +2

Lucas has always had on problem, dialogue

i think that his dialogue quite a bit of the time is too bland and not convincing, though he has written good dialogue before.
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 7:20pm

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I definently get a dark feeling from this trailer. You can tell that Palpatine is growing in power and things are turning for the worse. As for the dialogue, it has always been bad but someone like Harrison Ford realized that and changed many of his lines so that they sounded like something an actual person would say and not a lifeless robot. Unfortunately most of the actors are now afraid of George and won't dare to change his lines.
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 7:51pm

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Shame Harrison Ford doesn't do anything interesting these days...

As for dialogue, Empire has tons of good stuff. Sure, A New Hope is a little dodgy in places and Jedi is generally a pretty poor film, but Empire is nicely written.

Lucas has got somebody co-writing with him on episode 2, so hopefully that'll help fix the dialogue problems that episode 1 had.

Hopefully no more 'yippees'.
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 10:12pm

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Yeah, Jonathan Hales co-wrote the script, the same writing genius that gave us such great and thoughtful works as The Mummy Returns and the soon to be released Scorpion King!

I'm pretty sure his job was just to check for spelling errors.

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Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 10:18pm

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talking about scorpion king, am i the only one that thinks the rock is a pretty pooty actor?
Posted: Wed, 13th Mar 2002, 10:22pm

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Hales was hired becuase of his longtime great writing on the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Dont worry about the Mummy franchise, for those movies were not his idea. Not any amount of ketsup saves burnt french fries.

Compared to the dialogue in the Phantom trailers, this is magnificient. A great deal of cliche has been dispensed with.
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haha, i wrote sh*ty and it replaced it with pooty

thats funny

the mummy was good, but think that the Rock is a horrible actor in the mummy, and from what ive seen in the trailer for M3.


I was just watchin the ep2 trailer again, "i hate it when he does that" Obi wan (McGregor) said that line when anakin jumped off the pod. come on, they could have had something better than that. sounds too OLD, and LAME.


the visual effects are stunning though, but again, dialogue is lacking in areas, even if it is a trailer
Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2002, 6:09am

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On 2002-03-13 22:12, Orion wrote:
Yeah, Jonathan Hales co-wrote the script, the same writing genius that gave us such great and thoughtful works as The Mummy Returns and the soon to be released Scorpion King!

The Mummy Returns was written and directed by Stephen Sommers. Hales did write Scorpion King, though.
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Hmmm... I think the trailer was okay, but somehow it didn't look like Star Wars. As Episode one didn't.
Let's face it. Episode one was simply a bad movie; good efects, but boring caracters, crappy dialoges ("he has no father".. ARGH) and ba acting. The only reason why it was a bit of a success and people are afraid speaking out loud that it was bad is because its title is "Star Wars".
I don't understand why Lucas is changing the look of SW that much. just to show that it's doable? If you watch the classic SW Films, the lighting and the whole scenery is pretty dark and there arent many colors. But the new ones (EP2 looks the same way to me in the trailer) look like a comic with too many colors.

And honestly I think Lucas rest on the Name Star Wars already has. I mean, watch the actors how the are set in scene. They all seem like "hey, I'm character from Star Wars you're gonna love me anyway". None of the classic figures had this kind of appearance and arrogance, not even the powerful ones.

If Ep2 doesn't get a lot better, star wars will be no more than another average Sci-Fi movie together with all the other averag sci-fi movies. And that'd be bad, cause the classics are really great.
Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2002, 6:19pm

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Its just not StarWars anymore, where are the potatoes as asteriods and things like that! The old StarWars films had real character, and all of the characters were fun and different.

Ep1 lost this and it looks like Ep2 has as well. Yes the 3D is good (its ILM so its gonna be) but it seems over used from the shots in the trailer to the point where I wonder if the people should have been CG as well smile It just looks Nintendo to me, all colourful eye candy. We all know that in this computer age they can't make films with models and sets like the old ones, but it would have been nice if they had tried to capture some of the fun, feelings and charater of the old films.

Its gonna be an amazing film, it just isn't StarWars.

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Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2002, 7:03pm

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They should dump the actors and turn the whole thing into a cartoon.

I know the battle scenes look huge, but I want realism, use minatures instead of cgi all the time. Lord of the rings showed how huge realistic battle scenes can be done, making it look as if the actors are actually there.

But when it comes down to it everyone of us is going to go and watch it...
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Hey ottypm, long time, no see. Welcome back.

My problem with the trailer is that it seems like a teen love story.

BAH!

What this movie really needs are some more X-wings. Those could very well return it to a "classic" look. Especially if they don't overdo it on the details, and keep the ships looking like models.

The original three aren't that far in the future. Shouldn't some of the classic stuff be showing up?

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Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2002, 10:20pm

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Yeah I have been lurking for a while, I'm a student again now, and I seem to be busier now than when I was working full time.

I think he needs to make them darker, the tone of the story seems to be doomed love, power struggles and evil. But the bright cartoon colours destroy the atmosphere of the film.

Nice to see the quality of your stuff keeps improving...

And nice to see some differing opinions on the star wars debate.

Anyway, got to go and type up a script and remember the good old days when I went to see the SW trilogy back to back...
Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2002, 2:50pm

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Shwar and I have been female doging about this on in the chat rooms for months. One thing we need to get used to is that he used Sony's Cine Alta 24P digital cameras. The look atleast in my eyes is somewhere between film and digital video. The Progressive scan of the camera kinda makes a matte finish of the scene photographed.

I do agree that not everything needed to be CGI. I guess he closed his model works shop on the East end of the ranch. But the whole subject of Anikans raise and fall could have been handled better. I wonder how a different actor and director would have handled it. I am going to see it, I will just wait a couple of weeks and go in expecting a decent made for Sci-Fi channel movie of the week.

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I been hearing the complaint of "its not SW" for years and I just dont buy it. Episode I had plenty of legitimate problems such as dialogue, but as for the art, architecture, storyline, archetypes, its ALL STAR WARS. Its more SW than SW was, for Lucas doenst have to work with staples and tin foil anymore.
Coruscant looked great, the Gungan army looked great, Darth Maul looked great.
Things were SUPPOSED to be brighter looking, for Lucas is telling this tale on several layers at once, the biggest being that it is physically impossible to fall out of grace if you were never actually IN grace in the first place. The galaxy HAS to look brighter now, becasue its a happier place. If it was dark now, AND dark later on when the Empire rules with the iron fist, whats so tragic about that?
If Anakin was a butthead in Ep I, AND a butthead as Vader, whats so tragic about that? We need to move the story from point A to point B, but if A and B are identical, then you just wasted everyones time.

Arc people. Its all about arc.
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And Sidewinder, you are a trailer behind. The love story trailer is months old news, there is a new one that shows jedi kicking ass.

And isnt it slightly illogical to complain that the characters arent given enough time, AND THEN complain when a trailer shows nothing but characters?

I have met numerous people who look for things to complain about, and sure enough, they find it. Lets not degrade into that here.
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One thing im happy about is that FINALLY Coruscant is in the big picture, but that IS the center of the galaxy there.

Technically speaking, the SW universe revolves around Coruscant. (if you pay close attention to the movies, and books)
Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2002, 8:03pm

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The reason episode 1 didnt feel like star wars to me is becuase it didnt have that star wars feel. I dont mean just the lighting or the CG but the fact that star wars IS about guys in suits and it IS about foil ships and square buildings. I didnt like the shiny and aerodynamic feel to episode 1. I didnt like the Gungun battle cause I didn't care about the gunguns and it had little to do with the story. I didn't like the podrace cause it was too long and also lacking any meaning to the story (not to mention being a shamless display of special effects). Even the titles are different now. I dont like the style the titles are written in, as EPISODE I is the prominent word and "the phantom menace" in small print underneath. That doesnt look like a Star Wars title. I know these are small objections but I am just saying this from my own opinion.

This doesn't mean I won't give episode 2 a chance, but when Lucas has been saying that this will bridge the gap between the old trilogy and the new one, i just dont see it. The styles are moving farther and farther apart. I just recommend that you give episode 2 a chance, even after the faults of the last movie. I want to be entertained. Its been years since i've seen a new movie at the theater that i really enjoyed, and really had fun watching (the matrix). OK that's all i have to say about that.
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if matrix was the last movie u had fun watching, than you don't get out much do you?
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I just don't like any movies. Name a great movie that came out since '99?
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Great: Gladiator.

Very enjoyable: Galaxy Quest, American OUtlaws.

there are many more.


Time Machine, though its VERY short.
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Name a great film that's come out since '99?

I would, except there's far too many, and I don't have enough time.

If you think there haven't been any great films since The Matrix (which is very, very good, although hardly great) then you really need to find yourself a decent cinema.
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Right, nobody is gonna agree on this. It doesn't look or feel like the old StarWars and that we all agree on. It would seem some of us love StarWars no matter what, others (like myself) just like the first films and how they felt. The old films are very different to the new ones, on many levels. To me, the old films were great fun - true classics and to me the new ones are just eye candy trying to make some money out of the success of the old films.

There doesn't have to be one answer - lets all have our own smile
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the biggest thing which pisses me off is the order. i personally dont like it.

and why does the naboo starfighter look more advanced than the x-wing?


btw, tarn, i agree completely
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A naboo fighter looks more advanced because it has the budget of an entire planet to build it, while the rebellion is a bottom-feeder by comparison. Not to mention lucas is using the time-honored element of having a loss of technology whenever a civilazation falls. It happened to the Romans, it happened to the Mayas, and it will happen on the change from Republic to Empire. Lucas is well read. Dont take it out on him.

And whoever said the movies are moving farther apart has not been paying attention to the introduction of the Imperial Guards, the Clone troopers, the Tusken Raiders, etc. They are ALL back this time around, and they all get to show off as well.

It is a real easy complaint to say that the movies are a money grubbing tool, and it is thrown around far more often than it is ever justified. Watch the TPM DVD documentaries and you see dozens of hours of CANDID Lucas. $$$$ just does not enter into anything he does or says.
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Hmmmm.... well, I do agree
that the new movies do not have that 'old' SW feel, but they are not supposed to, yes they are bright and colorful but this is used to demonstrate how much better the quality of living was before the Sith gained control on the universe. In the classic trilogy everything is grey and dark, the Empire type color scheme, but in these movies we are not at that stage yet, which is why the feel is different. I read somewhere that EP2 is dark, but nowhere near as dark as EP3, you see we have to 'evolve' to the darkside, er.. I mean the classic trilogy......

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Excellent points made by both Flesh and Vega. And i have to agree, Gladiator was a pretty good movie. I forgot about that one.
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You can't dis' the Rock, he was hardly in the Mummy Returns. Is the scorpian king even out yet?
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And on the SW front, I think that ep1 was very SW mainly because it is all supposed to be shiny and happy before the Empire, like someone said earlier.

I especially like the way there are lots of tiebacks to the 3 later eps and that on the most part it is pretty subtle, most people prolly won't notice them but things like palpatines guards are a little more obvious.

I just think its a shame they changed it so that Sidious is Palpatine now cos when he wasn't it was good from the point that people assumed he was the main menacing charater but then found out later he was just sneaking around in the background getting ready to be the emperor. Who know's maybe they'll stick with them meeting and surprise everyone. (The fact that both characters are played by the same actor means nothing smile )

Also Boba Fett was also supposed to be Anakin's stepbrother. How is that now possible with the current storyline? (I can't ask specifically because that would be a big spoiler)
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On 2002-03-24 09:15, Kid wrote:
You can't dis' the Rock, he was hardly in the Mummy Returns. Is the scorpian king even out yet?
And those few minutes he was in it, he was simply horrible.

and the scorpion king preview, his acting seems like the same crap.
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The Scorpion King comes out on April 19
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Boba Fett as Anakin's step brother? That's rediculous. Is that from the EU? Crazy EU!
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Just to clear up any
confusion, Sidious was of course, Palpatine in disguise.
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Still surprising how many people don't realise the Sidious/Palpatine link, though.

It's not like his disguise is one of the best in history.

"Aha - I will wear this big black cloak! Then nobody will recognise me for the Evil Sith Lord that I am! Mwu-ahahahahahahaaha!!!!!!"
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Boba and Anakin are related?

What gutter-feeding illiterate Independance-Day-loving broken-typwriter hack told you that?
Its Ok to read the EU from time to time, if your TV is broken, internet offline, and you have had a lobotomy, but hear this loud and clear: IT IS NONSENSE. It never happened. It is the ramblings of derivative writers who cant come up with their own dumb ideas so they come up with dumb ideas for SW.

I personally find the EU as intelligent and witty as bowl of oatmeal being eaten by a three legged dog.

Do yourself a BIG favor and forget everything you ever read in those books. Lucas doesnt give a Rats Asteriod about ANYTHING in there, and rightly so. His ideas are better, and he knows what he is doing. The EU NEVER HAPPENED. The movies are what counts. They are real. They are Holy Word.

Want to read? Then read the books that INSPIRED SW, not the books that SW inspired. Top of the list would be the LENSMEN novels by E.E. Smith. Those books, written in 1930's, have touched SW, Trek,and B5 as well. And no EU story is fit to wipe the butt of the author.
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I've never seen a bowl of oatmeal being eaten by a three legged dog, but it sounds interesting.
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I think Tolkien and Lord of the Rings is a heavy influence on Lucas, too (not to mention B5).

And, of course, the Hero's Journey.

Whilst we're on the subject of books, I also recommend Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy, and Asimov's Foundation books...
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Lord of the Rings did indeed contribute to SW. Lucas pulled inspiration from a great dealof the Golden Age, and tied it with the Mythic Age.
Other required reading are the JOHN CARTER OF MARS books by Edgar Rice Burroughs. The aliens and cities and swordplay, has SW written ALL over it.
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"Hero of a Thousand Faces" by Joseph Campbell sets forth many examples of the hero archetype which ties into all the stories GL used as inspiration. If you plan on makiing hero type stories this sets forth the deeply inbeded formula that goes almost across the board... as far as stories and legends go anyway. As a side note I think AOTC will be fine. Who knows what GL's vision of his own story better than himself?
Fans opinions do count but when it comes down to it GL does what GL want to. That has been his approach from the begining of his film career.The only difference is that he is using his own dough and has total control.... So these films are probably closer to his original vision than the classic trilogy... Chew on that DAMN IT!!!! :razz:

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This is probleby the larges topic yet... i think.
But its very large!
Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2002, 10:59pm

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Heh, and the film isn't even out yet. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2002, 11:03pm

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I just heard the sound track. I'm not really impressed, although tons of people are getting super excited about it. There is really nothing on it that hits you and makes you hum it for hours like the OT.
Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2002, 11:04pm

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lol. Probaly second largest: Mac bug topic is 9 pages long, and growing!!! Though, when the movie is finnaly released this topic will probaly triple in size!
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 1:28am

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one great song which will stick in your heads is nighttime visits by i think james horner, or whoever did the score for I am sam

i cant find it on the internet, but in the movie, the 60 sec is great

and the gladiator battle theme
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 2:54am

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First and foremost, Lucas should never had started with Episode 4. He should have started at 1. Prequels are the easiest thing to make, because you already know what is going to happen and you are comfortable with how the characters turn out. Take the clone troopers, those big ships that look like star destroyers, and the jedi starships. Lucas is ripping off all his old ideas! He's plagerizing himself. The double-bladed lightsaber was cool, but the introduction of a purple lightsaber? It's kind of neat, but why? Red signifies evil, green and blue symbalize innocence, good, etc. What does purple symbalize? (It might symbalize something, I just can't think of anything.)But even if Episode 2 IS a recycling of Lucas' earlier work, I'll still see it. The introduction of digital photography brings a very unique and new look to Star Wars. I am really looking forward to the lightsaber fights in the dark, using what seems to florescent lights as stunt lightsabers. As for the people complaining they shouldn't use CG, its pointless. Lucas would have used CG for the original trilogy if was possible. Even if his writing skills aren't good, he's always pushing for more advanced visual effects. No matter what anyone says, what makes Star Wars what it is, is the use of the latest special effects.
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 2:57am

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On 2002-03-27 02:54, wingman2003 wrote:
No matter what anyone says, what makes Star Wars what it is, is the use of the latest special effects.
i sadly agree with you
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 3:03am

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sry, forgot login, that was me ^
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 3:11am

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I forgot to mention that the music of John Williams is also a big reason I will go see Episode 2. He has never disappointed.
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 4:00am

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actually the score IS pretty disappointing. i think he's just going through the motions these days and has used up all his creativity in the past. but i must say that the harry potter theme was somewhat catchy.
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 6:46am

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Have you heard the soundtrack to The Patriot? It is awesome, my favorite of anything Williams has done, I think.
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 8:38pm

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On 2002-03-27 04:00, Orion wrote:
but i must say that the harry potter theme was somewhat catchy.
haha, if you want something catch like that, watch home alone, its 90% the SAME THING!!!
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 8:53pm

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Regarding Williams' score...

I love Williams' Star Wars music, all of it (as well much of his other music - Jaws, Indy, ET, Close Encounters Schindler's List...although I didn't like The Patriot's score at all).

But most of the memorable music is memorable precisely because of the parts of the film it links to.

Similarly, I heard the Fellowship of the Ring soundtrack before seeing the film. I liked it as music, but I didn't identify any real themes, and didn't get all that 'into' it. After seeing the film, though, the themes stand out boldly and I love it, each track reminding me of a scene of the film and the overall atmosphere and themes.

It is a rare film score that works properly without knowledge of the film itself. And that's the way it should be.
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 10:23pm

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To WINGMAN::

You have seriously missed the boat about the star destroyers and clone troopers. Did it never occur to you that clone troopers look like stormtroopers becuase they ARE STORMTROOPERS? Do the big Republic ships look like star destroyers because they ARE star destryoers?

Well they all are. "Rip off" is a ridiculus idea, for we have a world here that is going to have legions of troopers by episode 4, wouldnt it be just a LITTLE bit nice to find out where they all came from? They came from this movie. Where do all these imperial star destroyers come from? They come from THIS MOVIE. Its called progression, a series of events. We have troopers is episode 4 becuase they were founded in episode II. 4 comes after 2 after all.

And as for Lucas starting with Episode 4, he would have been OVERJOYED to start with episode I and then move forward, but the problem was that NO ONE, not even lucas, thought that anyone would like these movies. He wrote one movie becuase he thought he was only ever going to get to make one. So he chose the one that he thought had the best stand alone story. To his surprise, it was liked and he went to make the rest, but during the making of 4, no one ever knew he would get a chance to make the others.
And if PHANTOM menace had been the first, would there have been another 5?
Posted: Wed, 27th Mar 2002, 11:50pm

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Well said, Jealous Flesh. I wanted to say that, but thought I'd let you do it instead. smile
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 12:22am

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So your saying that Star Wars will continue to become worse because Lucas starts with the best stories and progressively writes worse ones. I don't want to start a nasty argument, but you just don't need explinations for all things in a movie. Some things are better left to the individual's imagination. Why should Lucas recycle old stuff when he can create new stuff thats fresh and entertaining? But we'll see, maybe Episode 2 will be different. These revelations might be fun and enjoyable (I hope). But I still think sequels are better then prequels.
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 12:27am

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just to add to that note

The double-bladed lightsaber was cool, but the introduction of a purple lightsaber? It's kind of neat, but why?
The purple lightsaber was a special request from Sam Jackson. Ya it doesnt add anything, but it is neat and its also another toy to sell.
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 7:08am

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The colour is supposed to come from the crystals or whatever in the sword so why can't they be any colour. They don't always use the colour to represent their allegence or else if I was a syth I'd pick a green one to fool everyone I was on their side smile
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 3:31pm

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Wingman::::

Lucas is not recycling anything.
There are not old ideas and new ideas. The Stormtroopers are ONE idea, not two. STAR WARS is ONE story, not old and new. We see the troopers in Episode 4 becuase they were invented in episode 2. Its the same story, same villian, same troopers.
The phrase "best left to imagination" is very nice, but best left to relevant topics like Blair Witch arguments. There is a time and place for that kind of thinking, but this is definately NOT it.
The Emperor is trying to take over the galaxy. Which one of these sounds better:
1) We see him build his army and conquer the Republic, see him kill the jedi, see him murder millions
or
2) See a happy galaxy, then a title card which says: "By the way, the Empire took over and everything is bad now"

Dont tell me with a straight face that option 2 is better. It sucks. I am personally overjoyed to see the origins of the stormtroopers. This is ONE story after all, you just cant go around skipping chapters. Is he telling a complete story or isnt he?
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 3:39pm

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And as for SW getting worse, what I ACTUALLY said was that lucas mad episode 4 first becuase it had the most COMPLETE story, not the best one. Personal, the best SW is EMPIRE, which is proof that SW gets better as it goes along.

Lucas would have loved to have been a clairvoyant and see how popular SW was going to be and make episode 1 first then 2 then 3 then4.... But he didnt, so he made the one he liked, for he thought for sure he would never get a chance to make another one.

I personally think the prequels are a fantasitc idea. There is going to be more drama, emotion, and raw power in seeing Darth Vader's transformation than in any scene in SW before or since.
Any possible sequels have no potential. There is nothing to be gained by dragging out half dead old creaky characters on their death bed. Their story is over. All the villians are dead. Any villian to be invented now would be a pale imitation of the emperor, some half baked B side second string yo yo with no real menace, becuase once again, SW was about the Emperor and Vader. Without them, the story is over.
And dont bring up Admiral Thrawn, he's who I was talking about. They killed him and then everything went back to noraml. Just a big waste of time.


Certain fans have their pet characters which they insist on being given more and more screentime, and all it would do is cheapen everything that has happened before. SW ended with episode 6.
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 6:33pm

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it would just end there?

hello? have you read ANY books. sure, they arent written by Lucas, but thats the great part!

the x-wing series must be the best peice of work in the entire star wars franchise, much better than the movies (at least better than 1,4, and 6. it resembles 5 somewaht)
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 8:06pm

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I have read enough SW books to realize that I have read enough. They dont "get" SW. It is not about the fast ships and explosions and blasters. Its about mythical characters in mythical situations in a sci fi setting.

The best SW books I read were by Tim Zahn, with his Thrawn, but even he didnt get it, and his books are nothing more than a big chase sequence.

And I have found a better way to explain to Wingman why lucas has not ripped himself off: If I explain the clonetroopers with this analogy::

There was a character in the Classic movies named "obi Wan"
But wait, the new movies have an Obi wan too! Has Lucas lost all creativity that he could not even think up a new name? (Sarcastic mode on)
Hope that explains the situation.
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 9:00pm

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i agree with the wingman discussion

and i think the books are better
Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 9:40pm

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JF on most counts you and I have similar takes on the SW saga however I will have to disagree with your take on the Novels post EP6.
For instace... 1st Zahn novel we get to see Luke do some pretty bad-arse stuff. He uses the force to control an airborne saber around a room killing several foes. Then a few pages later in the same fight he jumps from a high place using his saber to control his descent by slicing it into the shear wall and slowly making his way to the ground. I could name more but will keep this short.
As a side note the Zahn series was not my favorite but it did have its good points. I really like the Xwing series very cool, it is a very different taste becuase it relies less on the force and Jedi. The only one that I really dislike was the "Crystal Star", maybe remembering the title wrong...

Lastly since were on the expanded universe of SW. My favorite comics were Tales of the Jedi...

IS THAT BETTER? biggrin oink



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Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2002, 10:26pm

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i think the x-wing series was teh best out of all of them. the ones with rogue squadron more specifically, not wraith squadron

i, jedi was good, and a few others
Posted: Fri, 29th Mar 2002, 3:59am

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OK I am going to correct myself. I stated earlier that the score for AOTC was disappointing and crappy. However, I am now retracting that statement since I have been finding myself actually humming some of the tunes I realized that they are in fact pretty melodic, especially in the case of the love theme which keeps coming up over and aver again accross half of the tracks. While not fantastic, it is better than I originally thought so I am just correcting myself.
Posted: Fri, 29th Mar 2002, 4:35am

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Didn't GL actually write the star wars series as books first, then chop out chunks that he could fit on film, hence the three movies-at-a-time deal?

Secondly, when does AOTC come out?

Thirdly, aren't there supposed to be twelve episodes overall? didn'g GL decide to cut it down to nine, so he could make sure he finished them while he was still alive?

Fourthly, can some of you guys start using paragraphs?
Posted: Fri, 29th Mar 2002, 5:28am

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AOTC comes out May 16th i believe. I dont think he wrote 12 episodes, I think it was 9, but I'm not totally sure. I dont think i need to use paragraphs cause i dont write enough.
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i write in paragraphs always, its easier to see

i find it hard reading:

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Posted: Sat, 30th Mar 2002, 12:32am

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The way I understand it.....

Lucas wrote one big humongous story, that was bigger than the running time for 3 Fellowships of the Ring put together.

Knowing he couldnt possibly film something that large, he carved it into three parts. These became SW, EMpire, and Jedi.

Out of those, he filmmed SW, as it had the most stand alone story.

Now to be symmetrical, he said if there were 3 stories in the middle, there should be 3 in the front, hense the prequels were born.

As for 12 eps, I heard that only once, a lONG time ago, and certain circumstances lead me to believe it was a media fabrication: Lucas made some offhand remark that the papers went out of control with. It was never a real idea.

He said Ideally he would like NINE eps, but he said in an interview that it isnt neccessary, as the story is about Anakin: His fall and redemption.
Posted: Sat, 30th Mar 2002, 2:27am

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yea, i remember hearing something about 12 a while back, but there are really only 9. Unfortunetly, we are only ever going to see 6, since Lucas has already decided he wants to spend the rest of his life doing something besides star wars. If you combine all 6 you get a prettty complete story of anakin. Even thought the first 3 we mostly have anakin as the main character, then switch to Luke in the last 3 telling about his father.
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Can't wait for the new one. Got tickets for the world premiere!
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Episode II will be one of the best movies of the year. BTW, did anyone see the Resident Evil movies in the theatre? IF SO, did you see any sort of boom stick or anything of that sort come down from the top portion of the screen? I say that because my friend and myself have seen these "bloopers"/"non-edited" parts of the movie. It was quite hilarious though when we seen it. lol And it kind of made me "upset" that the editors did not catch this in the scenes. Did anyone else catch these "things?"
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You lot HAVE to read this ---- it'll change your mind

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=11796
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AND THIS

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=12162
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+ did you know that PHOTOSHOP came out of lucas's ranch. Adobe brought the rights off ILM.

also they were looking for martial arts people for AOTC, they found this place outside sydney in Australia - were all the members of the martial arts club were banned from all WORLDWIDE competition - and so they recruited them all!!! how good is that
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very cool,