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make people red and blue ???

Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 6:43pm

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Hey guys.
I have been thinking for about a next movieproject. I would like to have some people red and some people blue or green. It is about racial discrimination, and the two colors represent dark and light skinned people.

Is it possible to do this effect??? If yes how? in chromonator?

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Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 6:56pm

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Make up effect, or film in front of a green screen, key out green, and hue shift the guy.
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 7:15pm

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you could always paint your actors.
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 7:26pm

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In chromanator, make 3 layers of the same foortage. One with a hue shift of whaterver color and another with another color and put the origianal footage on top. Create a garbage matte that is animated for the actors. Depending on who is who you'll have to rearragnge layers, but that should work. LOL i dont even own chromanator andi know how to do it!
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 7:41pm

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I'd recommend a make up effect if it is a movie with more than a few shots of these people. It'd be a pain to garbage matte every person, and it wouldn't look real if you shot in front of a greenscreen and composited them back into a live background. It'd be the easiest to just paint their skin colors. Make sure you leave some bald spots though, otherwise their skin will suffocate...
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 7:55pm

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evman101 wrote:

Make sure you leave some bald spots though, otherwise their skin will suffocate...
That's a joke, right?
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 7:56pm

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no im serious. Don't you watch james bond? But seriously, your skin needs to breathe too, so you have to make sure you don't cover them over entirely. Unless you don't like them that is.
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 9:37pm

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I think it can be done more easily than you think. Ill try and do a test quickly.
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 10:22pm

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What's this about painting them? Just cover them with halloween makeup smile
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 10:50pm

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That would take forever.

And evman, the thing about the paint not allowing someone's skin to breathe is a myth. You can cover someone completely in paint, and nothing bad will happen to them. Maybe some pimples.
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 11:04pm

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oh. last time I trust goldfinger...
Posted: Sat, 13th Nov 2004, 11:50pm

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Aculag wrote:

That would take forever.

And evman, the thing about the paint not allowing someone's skin to breathe is a myth. You can cover someone completely in paint, and nothing bad will happen to them. Maybe some pimples.
I'm actually pretty much 100% sure that if you cover someone in silver or gold paint that their skin cannot breathe which in turn kills them...
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 1:21am

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How about we forget painting people- this way, no one will die.
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 1:26am

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hm... killing someone or hours of masking and a weird looking result... lets kill them! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 1:31am

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I'm actually pretty much 100% sure that if you cover someone in silver or gold paint that their skin cannot breathe which in turn kills them...
Hybrid-Halo, that's incorrect. Aculag's right. From snopes.com:

In Goldfinger, after secretary Jill Masterson betrays her boss, the evil Auric Goldfinger, he kills her in style by painting her entire body gold. As James Bond explains when Masterson's body is discovered, covering a person with paint will cause death because the body "breathes" through the skin. He then goes on to state that professional dancers know to leave a small patch of unpainted skin at the base of the spine to prevent their falling victim to asphyxiation. Although it was still widely believed at the time Goldfinger was made (1964) that we "breathe" through our skin and that closing off all the pores in one's body would result in a quick death, we now know this to be false. (Another commonly accepted part of this concept was the notion that leaving a small portion of the body unpainted was sufficient to ward off disaster.) As long as a person can breathe through his mouth and/or nose, he will not die of asphyxiation, no matter how much of his body is covered with paint (or any other substance). This isn't to say that painting yourself isn't unsafe, however -- clogging all your pores prevents you from perspiring and could eventually cause you to die from overheating, and toxic substances found in paint could contribute to your demise if you stay in a painted state too long.
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 2:20am

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So just as long as you don't stay painted all the time, you're fine. smile I don't know why you'd want to stay painted for a long time anyway...
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 2:45am

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Mister Pencil wrote:

How about we forget painting people- this way, no one will die.
Well, no one will die if they're painted, either. In fact, people were painted (or at least made up) for the original Star Trek series, and in "Free Enterprise", and so on. In fact, the only time I've ever heard of anyone having a problem was Zhaan from Farscape. Just looking at that show, there were only two of the main actors that got through the show without loads of makeup and/or latex.

In fact, back in college I got to become a zombie for a friend's theater makeup final. Cleaning the makeup OFF was a pain, but wearing it wasn't a big deal.

Makeup will cost more and take more time, but it will look a million times better.
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 2:48am

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Crawford wrote:

Mister Pencil wrote:

How about we forget painting people- this way, no one will die.
Well, no one will die if they're painted, either. In fact, people were painted (or at least made up) for the original Star Trek series, and in "Free Enterprise", and so on. In fact, the only time I've ever heard of anyone having a problem was Zhaan from Farscape. Just looking at that show, there were only two of the main actors that got through the show without loads of makeup and/or latex.

In fact, back in college I got to become a zombie for a friend's theater makeup final. Cleaning the makeup OFF was a pain, but wearing it wasn't a big deal.

Makeup will cost more and take more time, but it will look a million times better.
No more stories or painting crap! Just do what Serpent or timmy said, as it might actually work. (and wont kill them wink )
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 2:57am

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but if you are like me and absolutely HATE masking and garbage matting, and think using a greenscreen for compositing into a live background plate would look really FAKE, then you might wanna just do what pooky said and get some halloween paint. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 4:08am

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Wow, 007 TOTALLY betrayed me on that one. I stand corrected.
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 4:12am

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Crawford wrote:

Mister Pencil wrote:

How about we forget painting people- this way, no one will die.
Well, no one will die if they're painted, either. In fact, people were painted (or at least made up) for the original Star Trek series, and in "Free Enterprise", and so on. In fact, the only time I've ever heard of anyone having a problem was Zhaan from Farscape. Just looking at that show, there were only two of the main actors that got through the show without loads of makeup and/or latex.
Yes, you're right, but my point is that we should start exploring other ways than painting people. There's gotta be an easier way.

But solve this mythbusters:
Didn't the guy who played the tinman in "The Wizard of Oz" die from a severe alergic reaction to whatever they painted his skin?
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 6:00am

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But solve this mythbusters:
Didn't the guy who played the tinman in "The Wizard of Oz" die from a severe alergic reaction to whatever they painted his skin?
No, he didn't die. The original Tin Man was played by Buddy Ebsen. They used aluminum powder for the makeup, and Ebsen ended up inhaling enough of it to cause either an allergic reaction or an infection, causing him to be hospitalized for two weeks. He was also removed from the picture and replaced by Jack Haley, and the makeup was quietly changed over to an aluminum paste instead of a powder. Nonetheless, Haley suffered an eye infection from the paste (it was treated). Jack Haley died in 1979 of a heart attack (which was 40 years after Wizard of Oz was released) and Buddy Ebsen died in July of last year from pneumonia complications. So no, no one died as a result of the makeup.

Any other Oz questions?
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 12:54pm

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May I see the wizard?

Andrew biggrin
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 1:16pm

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Hang on, if these people arn't walking around completely naked can't you just put the makeup on their hands/arms and faces? Nobody would die, nobody needs to spend hours on masking. You could probably get away with a kid's face painting set.
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 6:37pm

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Yeah, exactly rawree. You're still going to need a lot of red and blue makeup to make it look good.

And I think as long as you use a paint that isn't acrylic, or something else you'd use to paint a wall or something, but use paint that's for body painting (it does exist), you'll be completely fine no matter what.
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 7:41pm

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If you have Premiere, save the clip as a Filmstrip and load into Photoshop. Paint every frame by hand and save. Load back into Premiere and render.
Takes awhile, but if it is worth it for you, try it.

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Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 7:45pm

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*Cringes at thought of frame by frame painting.* If you are an impatient person, like me, don't do it that way...
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 8:05pm

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Well you should maybe make the film monochromatic and try to do something like making it so just one color stays? You can have your actors wear like sweatsuits of the color you want and just paint there exposed body parts the color you want? Try to make it so the color is different from the surroundings. Then, I dont know if chromanator can do this but you can make it so only that color will appear and the rest will be black and white? It would actually be pretty cool and will make it soo everyones skin color will be more noticeable.
Hmm that blurb doesn't make much sense but you might be able to pull something out of it.
Posted: Sun, 14th Nov 2004, 8:43pm

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If it hasn't already been shot then what's the problem with makeup or paint? I don't see why people would suggest things like masking or digital painting when for less than £10 you can get the most realistic effect, mainly because it will be real.
Posted: Tue, 16th Nov 2004, 1:15pm

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If you want a green person for example, why not shine a green light on them? Light the background normally and green person should look green. That'd be pretty easy.
Posted: Tue, 16th Nov 2004, 1:43pm

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If I were doing your idea, I'd do the effect in After Effects by creating masks over the different people & adjusting colours so they're the colours you want. The result would be stupendous.

Any way you do this, though, it's going to be difficult & time consuming.

So my final advice - don't use anything to symbolise race, & just use black & white actors. Surely racism can speak for itself.
Posted: Tue, 16th Nov 2004, 2:28pm

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jeee...first time a post from me, made more than 2 pages. YIPPIIEEE !!!
anyways...good thoughts, but makeup is kinda lame. There are shots like of the city, where blue and red or green people running around. Would difficult
a) to find soo many actors
b) to try and get people on the street to put a green or blue makeup on

hmmm...sooo i guess I have to think of it myself. Anybody seen "Pleasant ville"?? How did they do that, with some people black and white, and then the others in color??? My green and red people thing must theoretically work the same way.

Cheers,
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Posted: Tue, 16th Nov 2004, 2:46pm

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In Pleasantville, the FX guys painted green paint on the actors in scenes that were a mixture of colour & black & white. They then computer processed the actors with green paint , replacing the green paint with b & w effect etc. More complicated than the suggestions here...
Posted: Tue, 16th Nov 2004, 8:28pm

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for the wideshots of a lot of people, use masks. These don't have to be perfect, because there is so much to look at that most people won't notice a little imperfection. For the close ups of your actors, use make up. its far easier.