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Posted: Fri, 26th Nov 2004, 11:42pm

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Having just finished Half Life 2, I thought I'd start a new thread so that people that have completed the game can read this and people that are still to finish can simply avoid, or read at their own peril.

Gobsmacking stuff. The climax, climbing the Citadel, left me utterly awe-struck. The sheer scale was astonishing. No doubt the very ending with the G-Man's reappearance will be controversial, leaving some cold and annoyed, but I loved it. Such an enigmatic and unexpected ending, simultaneously closing everything up nicely and leaving it on a cliffhanger too.

Dialogue and story were superb and thrilling throughout. A very, very simple plot, which was perfect for such a fast-paced action thriller/adventure. But don't mistake a simple plot for a bad story, as HL2 is superbly well-written. Its story comes from the world and the character interaction: it achieves its story through background and hints, almost subliminal signs that clue you in as to what is going on. It doesn't hammer its points home, and leaves it up to you to work out. Absolutley spot-on, and perfectly paced as well.

The real stand-out was everything in the Combine Citadel, which was a tour-de-force of conceptual design, writing, acting, action, technology, visuals, sound design....everything was perfectly executed.

What really makes this game stand out is that it has taken me places and shown me things that far surpass anything I have seen in the cinema this year. In fact, very few films of the last decade match the scale and wonder of HL2, especially in those last few levels.

If only there was as much imagination in your average blockbuster as in HL2.

The remarkable thing is that HL2 doesn't really do anything new. It doesn't revolutionise gameplay, in the same way that things like Deus Ex and GTA have done. But it does 'first person shooter' to such an astonishingly high degree of quality that it feels like nothing you've ever played before.

Everyone knows I'm a massive LotR fan. When Fellowship was released, coming pretty much out of nowhere for me, it astonished me - but it also made every other blockbuster/action/scifi/fantasy-type movie seem utterly, utterly rubbish. I get the feeling HL2 will do the same thing for games - definately for FPS games.

Wow. It feels like games just grew up a little. Where do we go from here?
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 4:15am

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I just finished it last night and I must say it is the best game I have ever played. I agree with you 100% Tarn. I don't want to play another FPS unless its Half Life 3 biggrin . It's definately my favorite game of all time. It all seemed so real. I really liked how there were no cutscenes, and the whole game just flowed together in one big world.

The only thing that I didn't like was that there is no multiplayer featuring the HL 2 characters and weapons, only CSS. Other than that, the box says it all.. best game ever made.
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 5:02am

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Yay! I get to talk about HL2!

I've heard people complain about the ending, since it seems so strange, but I for one think the ending couldn't have been any more perfect or shocking. I was covering my mouth the whole time, right after Alyx says "I think we still have--". Such an incredibly moving and superbly put together game.

I absolutely love all the subtle hints that they drop throughout the game as to what's REALLY going on. For instance, the first scene, the guy on the train says "I didn't see you get on..." Simply, genius.

I can't wait to see what they're going to do for HL3. The G-Man is so mysterious, and the way they present the whole thing and don't just spell everything out for the player is incredible, and opens up so many mysteries that need revealing.

Blah! I could talk for hours about this game.
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 5:11am

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Half Life 2 is indeed, a truely awesome game.

Right, since this is a spoiler thread... I'm gonna start uploading my G-Man sighting pics biggrin

http://www.kapowww.com/other/gman/1.jpg
http://www.kapowww.com/other/gman/2.jpg
http://www.kapowww.com/other/gman/3us.jpg

The last one I'm not totally sure about, the others are definite. hehe.
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 7:47am

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Yeah, you're right about the last one. He was finishing up some deal with a vortigaunt or something.

There's also one where Breen's screens are on the fritz, and you can see him for barely a moment on the screen.

Awesome stuff.
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 10:10am

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I have to buy this game.
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 1:36pm

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Here's a couple of my sightings....





Spotted him in some other places too, but didn't manage to take a photo. smile
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 4:23pm

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heh i was so engrossed in the game i only saw him twice - once the same as in tarns first shot, and also briefly on an apparently dead TV in a pile of rubble at the bottom of an elevator, when you first return to city17. Anyone else notice the hints about timetravel too? Originally I thought the opening 'wakey wakey mister freeman' and Eli's 'you haven't aged at all' suggested Gordon had been in stasis for the 10 years since the first game. After getting stuck in a teleporter for more than a week though, I'm not so sure...
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 4:43pm

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Problem with that theory would have to be the G-Mans wording though, if you had been stuck in a teleport for 10 years, why would the G-Man be waking you up telling you it's your time again?

Something interesting I noticed, during the G-Mans origional speech pay more attention the the scenery appearing in his face, you'll notice some citadel interiors as well as a combine on a communication screen.
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 4:52pm

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Yeah, I love the way the opening sequence only makes full sense when you've finished the game. The glimpse of the Combine architecture in the opening got me really excited when I first started playing, as it was unlike anything I'd ever seen before.

I'm pretty sure that Freeman has been in a limbo state for those 10 years. Whether that was in suspended animation or whether he just "wasn't" I'm not sure about. I suspect it's more that he ceased to exist for those 10 years and was on pause, and has now been returned to the timeline - but he wasn't in a mechanical stasis or anything; I get the feeling the G-Man and his associates removed Freeman from existence entirely for that period.

A short story in the Raising the Bar book (highly recommended) elaborates on this somewhat, describing Freeman's "waking".

As much as I love the ending, I need to know what happened to Alyx, dammit! Did she survive that explosion?
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 4:54pm

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I never played HL1, so maybe this is why I didn't spot or look for the G-Man... but Im going through it again one setting harder, and if I see him, I'll be sure to take a screen shot. What a great game.
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 4:55pm

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Hell no, unless G-Man recruits her or Dog shows up, she's toast!
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 5:04pm

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I reckon Dog will come to the rescue! I'll bet he was just ready to bound out before the G-Man snatched you away. She'll be fine. Right?

Right?
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 5:34pm

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Toast dude. Toast.
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 6:54pm

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and why do the vortigons call you 'the freeman'? yes i know it's his name, but do the aliens actually consider you a free man, just because you are not under the combine control? if the gman has anything to do with it, you are certainly not free. or maybe you are, maybe the gman (rhymes with freeman) is like a future version of yourself or something. damn this is better than any conspiracy theory site - perhaps you get sent back in time to the grassy knoll in the 3rd installment razz
Posted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004, 8:55pm

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I highly doubt Alyx is dead. I don't think Valve would have spent so much time creating such a real and emotional character just to kill her off. I bet the G-man saved her or something.

On the other hand, if she did die, it make Gordon's life seem so futile, and if she died, maybe he's just given up to the fact that he's now working for the G-man and he has no choice in the matter, and everything he does other than his main task is utterly pointless.

And fallen, remember the vortigaunt that says "we serve the same mystery"? Because of that line, and the screenshot that hybrid took of G-man finishing up the deal with the one vortigaunt, I reckon that they're also working for G-man. I dunno... Something's going on.
Posted: Sun, 28th Nov 2004, 2:28am

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Have you ever known a game to throw up such indistinct, existential questions before? smile

Some insight I've gathered thanks to Raising the Bar is that the Vortigaunts were a slave race in the first game. The hostile aliens enslaved them, and when Freeman destroyed Xen he freed the Vortigaunts from their bond.

As such, many Vortis were left on Earth. Some of them seemingly fell under the control of the Combine, as seen in the train station. Most of them, however, linked up with Freeman's old colleagues.

So one reason they call you "the Free Man" is because you freed them all.

I love the idea of the G-Man being a future version of Freeman. smile

As Aculag says, if Alyx died, when the G-Man clearly could have saved her, in HL3 I'd hope Gordon to be more than a little pissed. Unfortunately we're gonna have to wait at least 5 years for HL3, if they're even considering it.

Think I'll go start my hibernation. Wake me when the time has come again.
Posted: Sun, 28th Nov 2004, 5:21am

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I don't have Half Life (1 or 2), and I probably won't get it consitering that I'm not great at beating video games, but I have been interested as hell with the Half Life plot. (Especially G-Man)

http://members.shaw.ca/storage_4/hl2story/

Above is a link to a history of Half Life, starting from even before HL1 and continuing on to educated theories about the future of the game, in which the guy states his theory that G-Man is not Gordon. Also is included explanations of The Combine and great screenshots of G-Man.
Posted: Sun, 28th Nov 2004, 5:53am

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Mister Pencil wrote:

Above is a link to a history of Half Life, starting from even before HL1 and continuing on to educated theories about the future of the game, in which the guy states his theory that G-Man is not Gordon. Also is included explanations of The Combine and great screenshots of G-Man.
Really good site there.

My prediction is simply that the rebellion hired your services.
Posted: Sun, 28th Nov 2004, 6:12am

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Aculag wrote:

I highly doubt Alyx is dead. I don't think Valve would have spent so much time creating such a real and emotional character just to kill her off. I bet the G-man saved her or something.

On the other hand, if she did die, it make Gordon's life seem so futile, and if she died, maybe he's just given up to the fact that he's now working for the G-man and he has no choice in the matter, and everything he does other than his main task is utterly pointless.

And fallen, remember the vortigaunt that says "we serve the same mystery"? Because of that line, and the screenshot that hybrid took of G-man finishing up the deal with the one vortigaunt, I reckon that they're also working for G-man. I dunno... Something's going on.
Not tryin' to be rude, but will someone clue me in here? There's all these names and references, and frankly, I've only played HL1 or 2 in the store, and didnt think it was all that great. But, then again, I was only playing one of those crappy "demo" versions that go for like 5 seconds at Toys R' Us. Anyway, anybody wanna fill me in one why its so great? I just dont really understand the point or story to the game.

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Posted: Sun, 28th Nov 2004, 6:14am

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atom wrote:

Aculag wrote:

I highly doubt Alyx is dead. I don't think Valve would have spent so much time creating such a real and emotional character just to kill her off. I bet the G-man saved her or something.

On the other hand, if she did die, it make Gordon's life seem so futile, and if she died, maybe he's just given up to the fact that he's now working for the G-man and he has no choice in the matter, and everything he does other than his main task is utterly pointless.

And fallen, remember the vortigaunt that says "we serve the same mystery"? Because of that line, and the screenshot that hybrid took of G-man finishing up the deal with the one vortigaunt, I reckon that they're also working for G-man. I dunno... Something's going on.
Not tryin' to be rude, but will someone clue me in here? There's all these names and references, and frankly, I've only played HL1 or 2 in the store, and didnt think it was all that great. But, then again, I was only playing one of those crappy "demo" versions that go for like 5 seconds at Toys R' Us. Anyway, anybody wanna fill me in one why its so great? I just dont really understand the point or story to the game.

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Naff off and read a review instead of reading spoiler-inclusive forums, or even just check the other spoiler free forum.
Posted: Sun, 28th Nov 2004, 6:23am

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Oh, I found him again!



Don't know who the guy on the left is...


atom wrote:

Aculag wrote:

I highly doubt Alyx is dead. I don't think Valve would have spent so much time creating such a real and emotional character just to kill her off. I bet the G-man saved her or something.

On the other hand, if she did die, it make Gordon's life seem so futile, and if she died, maybe he's just given up to the fact that he's now working for the G-man and he has no choice in the matter, and everything he does other than his main task is utterly pointless.

And fallen, remember the vortigaunt that says "we serve the same mystery"? Because of that line, and the screenshot that hybrid took of G-man finishing up the deal with the one vortigaunt, I reckon that they're also working for G-man. I dunno... Something's going on.
Not tryin' to be rude, but will someone clue me in here? There's all these names and references, and frankly, I've only played HL1 or 2 in the store, and didnt think it was all that great. But, then again, I was only playing one of those crappy "demo" versions that go for like 5 seconds at Toys R' Us. Anyway, anybody wanna fill me in one why its so great? I just dont really understand the point or story to the game.

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Mister Pencil wrote:

I don't have Half Life (1 or 2), and I probably won't get it consitering that I'm not great at beating video games, but I have been interested as hell with the Half Life plot. (Especially G-Man)

http://members.shaw.ca/storage_4/hl2story/

Above is a link to a history of Half Life, starting from even before HL1 and continuing on to educated theories about the future of the game, in which the guy states his theory that G-Man is not Gordon. Also is included explanations of The Combine and great screenshots of G-Man.
'Nuff said
Posted: Sun, 28th Nov 2004, 7:49am

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The G-Man can't be future Gordon, because I really don't think the G-man is human. His speech is slurry and it almost seems like he can't speak english very well. Also, when Breen is talking to the big Combine administrator slug dude, he says that his host body won't be ready or something like that (someone get an exact quote). This leads me to believe that Breen isn't even human, or if he is, they've found a way of changing bodies to fit the environment they're in.

Also, I don't think the resistance hired Gordon. His mission was definitely to stop Breen from getting to wherever he was going. So I think the G-Man works for some universal government agency that tries to stop certain events from happening. Perhaps he triggered the resonance cascade in black mesa somehow, so that Gordon could go to Xen and kill nihilanth, and now Gordon's brought back from stasis to get rid of Breen for some reason. I think the resistance was just happening at the right time, and since G-man can alter and travel through time, as hinted at in his closing monologue, not to mention the whole end scene itself, I think he knew when certain events would occur so he brought Gordon in at the perfect time. Also, another hint that says the resistance didn't hire Gordon, but it was just his time to help again is that the G-Man says in the ending monologue that he's recieved some interesting offers for Gordon's services and normally he wouldn't even consider it, but they're very interesting, or something along those lines. Don't have the game in front of me, so I can't give exact quotes, but I'm sure y'all know what I mean. Says that he's never whored Gordon out before, but maybe he will...?

Also, Tarn, I don't think we'll have to wait nearly as long for HL3 as we did for HL2. I think Valve said something about that somewhere, that they have the means to do it much sooner or something. Kill me if I'm wrong and you can show me proof.

If Alyx is really dead, then we definitely ought to have an expansion pack featuring her and showing why she isn't a vital part of the ultimate plan. But then she'd be doing a lot of interacting with Gordon, and for some reason, I think there's a reason Valve didn't make a model for Gordon this time around. Can't help but thinking that.

I also think a good expansion pack would be playing as Barney during the 7 days that Alyx and Gordon are lost in the teleporter. There might not be a whole lot of story elements with that though, probably just a whole lot of killing and such. Maybe not the greatest idea for an expansion. Maybe a mod.

I took some screenshots of Dr. Kleiner. He's awesome. Tomorrow I'll post some good captures I've taken.
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Even with reasons why the G-Man can't be Gordon, there's still the really cool name coincidence(?).

Gordon FreeMan.

Or maybe Gordon Freeman isn't his real name or the G-Man calls himself that as gordon is his puppet?

Besides cool idea for gameplay, think valvE has another reason for Gordon never speaking?

And the vort's calling him "the Freeman...the Gordon Freeman"...maybe there's more truth in that than we think?

It's all one very smart setting of characters and plot...or a huge, working coincidence.
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atom wrote:

Not tryin' to be rude, but will someone clue me in here? There's all these names and references, and frankly, I've only played HL1 or 2 in the store, and didnt think it was all that great.
The Half Life games (HL2 in particular) are not games you can play for five minutes and fully appreciate. They are games that reward playing it from start to finish properly, and they reward you even more if you pay attention and use your brain.

The first 10 minutes of HL1, for example, has you on a train going into the research complex, with a female announcer telling you the safety regulations of the place. The 10 minutes after that has you pottering about the research complex doing your job. Not many games take so long to set things up, and even fewer do it so effectively.

I remember when I first played the opening of HL1, I was astonished. It reminded me of classic David Cronenberg films. I'd never seen anything quite like it in a game.

Anyway, anybody wanna fill me in one why its so great?
Be best to read about it in the other HL2 thread:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16099

Or go read some reviews.

I just dont really understand the point or story to the game.
Well, without wanting to state the obvious, that's because you haven't played it. smile

HL2 isn't your average arcadey consoley shooter. You can't just pick it up and blast a few monsters and expect to 'get it'.
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So, what are people's favourite moments in the game? There's a load of them, but possibly my favourite bit is a really low-key bit of animation. When you teleport back to Kleiner's lab, he opens the door and peers around, and a moment later Lamarr pokes his head around too. I thought that was a genius bit of animation...nice attention to detail. Not sure why I liked it so much, I just did. smile
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As soon as all my weapons were destroyed, and the grav gun was quivering, shaking, and blue, I knew the next few minutes/levels would be a real treat. I just loved dragging guys over from across a room and shooting them into the other guys. Brilliance. That version of the Grav Gun is the best weapon ever to be seen in a video game. Ever. Period.
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When you leave the museum and Striders are fighting troops in the park-like area, as soon as you emerge one of them fires its beam at the museum taking out one of the struts.

Definetly one of my favourite scripted moments smile

Going back to conspiracy theories, I believe Dr. Breen is human and if not, maybe he's a combine (assuming they can use human bodies as hosts). Dr. Breen was the administrator at Black Mesa, it was him that ordered the experiment in the resonance cascade so maybe he's had a much longer negative presence than we initially thought. The Combine have definitly existed pre-half life so maybe Breen has been helping them all along, cueing his high position in the combine rule over earth.

I don't feel that Gordon Freeman is a young G-man, but I can't really say it's impossible. Putting a younger version of you into stasis would be risky business. I believe it's more likely the G-man is someone totally different, regardless of silly name similiarities.
I quite like how the Vortigaunts refer to you as "The Free Man" since you freed Xen of combine rule, I'm not totally sure they know "Freeman" is actually part of your name.
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I just got the game yesterday, and I'm absolutely freaked out about those zombie guys, especially when I have no more ammo.
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mod_007 wrote:

I just got the game yesterday, and I'm absolutely freaked out about those zombie guys, especially when I have no more ammo.
Catapulting yourself into the 'idiotic' category of human being by reading the spoiler thread aren't you?
sad I really feel strongly that this is a game that shouldn't be spoilt for anyone, don't whine if all the surprises are ruined now.
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I just realized, there is a 6th slot for (2) more weapons. What goes there? Am I missing something, or is there just an empty slot... just because...?
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Just wait and see...lots of fun when you get what goes in the 6th slot wink
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no, I finished the game. What goes under the bug bait?
Posted: Mon, 29th Nov 2004, 12:32am

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I had an interesting idea about this whole theory. My theory might be that you as gordon freeman work for god. Literally you work for heaven or god or something. I think the g-man is like an angel, a worker for god who basically recruits you. I mean ever notice everytime he talks about his "employers" he is very secretive. plus everytime you see him or he talks to you it stops time, your talking in the middle of space or in mid air. everything seems so supernatural and he doesnt act human half the time with his speech and such.I think its pretty obvious you don't work for some...secret governement agency just because the way you speak with the gman wen u speak with him. I duno any ideas?
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One of the greatest things about the HL series so far is that it leaves these kind of questions open to our own interpretation. You can take the religious viewpoint, like movieguy, or you can guy for the big interstellar war/resistance angle (which is what I'm angling towards), or you can go for an X-Filesy government conspiracy, or, or....etc

I like things that allow you to think.
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I don't think there is anything that goes under the bugbait.

I think my favorite parts were the week long teleport, and the very ending.
Posted: Mon, 29th Nov 2004, 2:47pm

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isn't G-Man supposed to be short for Government man? Maybe he works for an intergalactic government. Remember, the vortigaunts were under the control of the nihilinth in the first HL, but any one else notice the nihilinth had the shackles on too? Who was controlling him??
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fallen wrote:

Remember, the vortigaunts were under the control of the nihilinth in the first HL, but any one else notice the nihilinth had the shackles on too? Who was controlling him??
The Combine.

G-Man is part of a resistance movement against the Combine.

That's what I reckon. smile
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and maybe the Gman led the combine directly to earth with gordon through HL1 on purpose?
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Perhaps he (correctly) identified humans as the place to start the first strike back agains the Combine? Either the human race in general, or Gordon Freeman specifically. After all, Freeman has now freed both Xen and Earth. No mean feat. And the G-Man has ensured throughout that Freeman be put where he needs to be.

"The right man in the wrong place can make a world of difference..."
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Tarn wrote:

After all, Freeman has now freed both Xen and Earth. No mean feat.
I somehow don't think Earth is quite saved yet. If you ask me, all Gordon did in HL2 is kill Breen, who was definitely a target, and a problem for G-Man and his employers. That was his one and only mission. I don't think the entire citadel was destroyed, and I think there are still more cities under combine control that may or may not also have citadels. Gordon for sure started someting that will free earth, and now that Dr. Mossman and Dr. Vance are freed from Breen's clutches (assuming the citadel wasn't completely destroyed and they got free), they can continue fighting the resistance, and working on the teleporter and all that jazz.
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Indeed. Still lots of work to do, but it was Freeman that started it and gave the signal to the resistance. Of course, considering all of Earth's armies were defeated in 7 hours when the Combine first invaded, you have to wonder for their chances. But perhaps you can't beat the Combine in open war, whereas fighting them on a smaller, more guerrilla level is where it's at.

Plus, half the problem was that Breen's propaganda was nullifying the whole human population. Now they'll hopefully be motivated to take up arms again.

I'm thinking an expansion pack following Alyx or Barney once Freeman disappears again (due to the explosion, Alyx could quite easily think that Freeman died - presuming she survives, of course). That'd be good. smile
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well valve have said that they have a special surprise for release this week, along with the SDK. News of an add on maybe? dare I say (hope) it, Deathmatch?? smile
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The credits are rolling...

I agree with the 98% rating on PC Gamer (or wherever). Definitely worth every percent. And every cent that I paid.

By the looks of it, Alyx must be toast UNLESS gman had something to do with it. Dog can't snatch her from there, I don't think.

But the fans want Alyx so valvE will find a way for her to live im sure. biggrin

I love the very ending. "This is where I get off" and it's just a white light in the door. Very cinematic and impactful.

I shall be playing the game on hard now. Although thrilled, I'm saddened that I beat the game sad

Now for valvE's expansions that are inevitable to come (yeay blueshit and opposing force! for HL1!) biggrin

Notice how as soon as Breen died, the game was over right there. That really was the one task and thing else mattered. I liked that, although it keeps me yearning for more...strongly.
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I'm really, desperately hoping for a Barney expansion pack. It could start, as somebody suggested, during the missing week when Alyx and Freeman are trapped in the teleport. Show him desperately fighting and not really expecting to win, because Freeman has disappeared (presumed dead). See the battle from his point of view.

Could then carry on (or start here, if you like) straight after the end of HL2, so you'd be Barney down on the ground with Dog with the resistance troops, mopping up the Combine, and then seeing the massive explosion atop the Citadel. And then the opening levels would be you and Dog and some resistance fighters battling up the Combine to try to rescue Alyx, Freeman and Eli.

Aah, I can dream.
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i think it would be very um..."cinematic" lol if that happens and the explosion is just seen but there is no time to stop fighting and you just look up, see the fire and you gotta RUN THE HELL OUT OF THERE while killing combine. and then barney becomes the new Gordon as gordon's on hiatus. and alyx is dead. its sad, but it makes games that much more exciting when main characters die. remember FF7 when aries died? like that

btw, i think final fantasy 7 is the greatest game i've ever played, followed by halflife 2