You are viewing an archive of the old fxhome.com forums. The community has since moved to hitfilm.com.

Canon Sony or Panasonic?

Canon? Sony? or Panasonic?

Canon59%[ 20 ]
Sony41%[ 14 ]

Total Votes : 34

Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 9:14pm

Post 1 of 62

sazdmz77

Force: 0 | Joined: 3rd Nov 2004 | Posts: 7

Member

I have recently been looking for a 3 chip camera and have debated over the GL2 the Panasonic AG-DVC30 and the some sony camera (Iforget the name). Please let me know what your opinion is as to what has a better quality image, and controls, or if you have a suggestion for another camera. Thank you.
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 9:26pm

Post 2 of 62

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

The new Sony HD.

But you must be biased against Panasonic, check your poll. smile But I wouldn't vote that way either. If I had to go for a DV cam, in a good price range, I would shoot for the GL2.
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 9:45pm

Post 3 of 62

Brettsta

Force: 3385 | Joined: 15th Nov 2003 | Posts: 2114

VisionLab User FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

The cameras I think are the best value are the gl2 and the vx2100 (sony i think thats what you meant). No matter which you get youll be happy with it.
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 9:54pm

Post 4 of 62

GeeksGoneBad

Force: 1350 | Joined: 15th Apr 2002 | Posts: 664

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

Hey! You left Pany off the poll? smile LOL

I just bought a Panasonic AG-DVC10p (it's a little older but still a great camera, and I got a really good deal) smile and so far it's been great... probably doesn't compare to the ones you're looking at now though smile
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 10:33pm

Post 5 of 62

sazdmz77

Force: 0 | Joined: 3rd Nov 2004 | Posts: 7

Member

sry about leaving out Panasonic. I'm new to FX home. I heard from my friend Evman (Maker of American Idiots) that the Sony HD was no good because you can't fit super video qualty like that on a mini dv tape. (It compresses it too much). Is that tru?
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 10:41pm

Post 6 of 62

TheRenegade

Force: 190 | Joined: 2nd Mar 2004 | Posts: 345

MacOS User

Member

How much are you planning on spending for this camera?
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 10:46pm

Post 7 of 62

Marek

Force: 2225 | Joined: 25th Dec 2002 | Posts: 1754

EffectsLab Lite User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

sazdmz77 wrote:

that the Sony HD was no good because you can't fit super video qualty like that on a mini dv tape. (It compresses it too much). Is that tru?
I've never heard anything like that. I'm looking into getting a Sony VX2100 which is basically the same as the HD one... but not HD wink

I've found some pretty cheap places on the net, and checked 'em out. They both have about 8.0+ at resellerratings.com and their cheaper than most retail. Here they are:

Here
And Here
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 11:10pm

Post 8 of 62

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Marek is obviously intelligent, since he is looking into getting a Good camera, and realizes that simply because gl2's are made by canon doesnt mean they are xl2's. The vx2100 is absolutely brilliant, and i personally think its got the best 3ccd picture quality, even above the xl2. (im sure im not alone here) the fact that it can go all the way to 1 lux etc..
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 11:15pm

Post 9 of 62

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

But you can't deny GL2's aren't good. (Not saying you did) But the price is cheap for its awesome quality.
Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004, 11:25pm

Post 10 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

gl2 is amazing. Nothing like it in the price range.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 10:44am

Post 11 of 62

tmaynard

Force: 450 | Joined: 15th Aug 2003 | Posts: 164

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

An XL2 is always good...the price range isn't. wink
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 3:37pm

Post 12 of 62

Coureur de Bois

Force: 1394 | Joined: 23rd Sep 2002 | Posts: 1127

VideoWrap User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

I have a GL-2 and I'll be the first to admit that I'm not satisfied with it's low light performance.

In retrospect, I really should have gotten a VX2100.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 8:21pm

Post 13 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I shot a documentary on halloween in pitch black with the gl2 and the quality is amazing even in that low light... so shut up! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 8:33pm

Post 14 of 62

Coureur de Bois

Force: 1394 | Joined: 23rd Sep 2002 | Posts: 1127

VideoWrap User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Like I said I own a GL-2, so I think I have a pretty good idea on how it performs. I doubt the quality in pitch black was anywhere near "amazing." If the gain is anything above 0 dB you'll get noticeable grain.

Yuck.

With proper lighting however, the GL-2 does produce an amazing picture.

Last edited Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 10:11pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 9:31pm

Post 15 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I own one too... it worked great in low light (no grain at all.. ZERO). maybe you just got a defective model or something...
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 9:45pm

Post 16 of 62

Coureur de Bois

Force: 1394 | Joined: 23rd Sep 2002 | Posts: 1127

VideoWrap User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

yeah, I'm sure that's it.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 10:00pm

Post 17 of 62

Marek

Force: 2225 | Joined: 25th Dec 2002 | Posts: 1754

EffectsLab Lite User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Any chance of an unaltered picture evman? I'd love to see what this amazing pitch-black-no-gain camera can do.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 10:10pm

Post 18 of 62

Coureur de Bois

Force: 1394 | Joined: 23rd Sep 2002 | Posts: 1127

VideoWrap User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Yeah, I'd like to see some unaltered frame grabs too.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 10:13pm

Post 19 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I'll post one later. too busy playing Half Life 2 multiplayer!
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 10:47pm

Post 20 of 62

AndrewtheActorMan

Force: 1859 | Joined: 31st May 2003 | Posts: 1477

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

I would like to see that Evman. Please post that smile

Andrew biggrin
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 10:48pm

Post 21 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member





Unaltered.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 10:51pm

Post 22 of 62

Coureur de Bois

Force: 1394 | Joined: 23rd Sep 2002 | Posts: 1127

VideoWrap User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

That's not low light at all. You have a bright light source.

Doesn't change the fact that the GL-2 sucks in low light.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 11:01pm

Post 23 of 62

Marek

Force: 2225 | Joined: 25th Dec 2002 | Posts: 1754

EffectsLab Lite User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

And I still see grain. And plenty of it.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 11:08pm

Post 24 of 62

sk8npirate

Force: 590 | Joined: 28th Feb 2004 | Posts: 757

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

Well actually there isnt any grain in the pitch black parts of the picture
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 11:12pm

Post 25 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

sk8npirate wrote:

Well actually there isnt any grain in the pitch black parts of the picture
exactly.
Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004, 11:33pm

Post 26 of 62

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

eman, I would really like to see this. Post a screen and don't use AE's grain reduction.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 1:02am

Post 27 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I didn't do anything to it. thats the unaltered shot.

Btw, you should always have at least one light somewhere... whats the problem?
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 1:05am

Post 28 of 62

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Whoah, I posted that way late. it was like, wanna post this message, I went to get a haircut, came back, hit yes. So it sounded stupid.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 1:07am

Post 29 of 62

Marek

Force: 2225 | Joined: 25th Dec 2002 | Posts: 1754

EffectsLab Lite User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Problem is, its grainy in the place that matters.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 2:14am

Post 30 of 62

Xog2

Force: 20 | Joined: 3rd Jun 2004 | Posts: 167

Member

Yeah GL2 are nothing to get excited about......thats my opinion
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 2:15am

Post 31 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

okay... thats great. But its perfect for what he needs. Its relatively cheap and its quality isn't that of an XL2, but its still excelent.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 2:18am

Post 32 of 62

Coureur de Bois

Force: 1394 | Joined: 23rd Sep 2002 | Posts: 1127

VideoWrap User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Unaltered? Why do they look deinterlaced. "Low light" is when you are using the available lighting/ if any. Not having one bright light on your subject... the scene is now lit, and thus, not under low light conditions. Even so, your image shows noticable grain.

I took these as comparision between 0 dB Gain and 15 dB Gain

15 dB


0 db


15 dB


0 db


15 dB


0 db


The difference is clear. With no gain the image is hardly visible. And to see anything you need to boost the gain up, which causes a massive grain-fest.

The GL-2 is a great cam, but stop trying to defend it's shoddy low light performance.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 2:21am

Post 33 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

It was shot in frame mode, its not deinterlaced. Im not saying its the best low light out there, but I never need low light anyway... You are supposed to light your scenes well anyway.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 4:23am

Post 34 of 62

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Ev...its okay...you can just admit sonys cam is better..we wont lose any respect for you..its kinda like being able to admit macs are better than pc's, and halflife 2 is better than halo 2..
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 2:41pm

Post 35 of 62

Xog2

Force: 20 | Joined: 3rd Jun 2004 | Posts: 167

Member

Bryce007 wrote: you can just admit sonys cam is better...its kinda like being able to admit macs are better than pc's, and halflife 2 is better than halo 2..


exactly...
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 3:34pm

Post 36 of 62

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

It seems like people only like the sony cam because of the low light capabilities. Are you guys only shooting at night, or in dark rooms? I personally couldn't care less about low light capabilities, because as evman has pointed out, you ought to be lighting your scenes anyway. At least the characters in the scene.

Then again, if you were shooting at night, and didn't want to waste precious time doing something right, I guess you could just rely on low light capabilities of your camera...

Oh well, not my argument.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 4:48pm

Post 37 of 62

CX3

Force: 3137 | Joined: 1st Apr 2003 | Posts: 2527

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Then again, if you were shooting at night, and didn't want to waste precious time doing something right, I guess you could just rely on low light capabilities of your camera...
Ooooooooooooo... I agree
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 4:52pm

Post 38 of 62

TheRenegade

Force: 190 | Joined: 2nd Mar 2004 | Posts: 345

MacOS User

Member

Yea he has quite a point there.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 7:20pm

Post 39 of 62

wdy

Force: 1700 | Joined: 30th Dec 2002 | Posts: 1258

CompositeLab Lite User EffectsLab Lite User MacOS User

Gold Member

orion0340 wrote:

I have a GL-2 and I'll be the first to admit that I'm not satisfied with it's low light performance.

In retrospect, I really should have gotten a VX2100.
Yeah the low light performance is not good at all... not very good for my liking nevertheless the camera is excellent. I'd suggest looking into the new Sony HD for sure.. HD is still being perfected but its just around the corner. Open up your options with HD and spend less then the overpriced XL2.

Sometimes its hard to get proper lighting for night shooting...and it can be costly to do so depending on what you want, so its always a bonus having a camera that has good low light performance for sure. I myself do alot of night work. No one has said they wants good low light performance, becuase they don't take the time to properly light the subject or scene its just an extra added feature that can help and is recommended if you do lots of night shooting.

Now chosing a video camera... shouldn't be because so and so told you it was good. Admit it we all have our own preferences and ways of using our cameras. Its all about your feel and how you use the camera. Go test a bunch of cameras out and find out what is best for you rather then getting a majority vote on what you should get.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004, 10:35pm

Post 40 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Bryce007 wrote:

Ev...its okay...you can just admit sonys cam is better..we wont lose any respect for you..its kinda like being able to admit macs are better than pc's, and halflife 2 is better than halo 2..
Hah! Right. Hes a 13 year old kid. The gl2 is in his price range and its an excelent cam. Sure its not the best, but it does its job superbly for its price.

That was one of the most biast things I have read in a while not including the DS forum. biggrin except for the last bit. razz

And Aculag... Exactly
Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2004, 4:16am

Post 41 of 62

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Funny thing is, i said the pc vs mac thing backwards, and im 20, not 13 AND i have a vx2100...so..yeah..anyways..


sincerely,

The Sony whore
Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2004, 4:26am

Post 42 of 62

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I can't decipher whether or not this is a joke.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 12:08am

Post 43 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

niether can I. I meant the author of this thread is 13. not you.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 4:20am

Post 44 of 62

billy3d

Force: 2678 | Joined: 3rd Jan 2002 | Posts: 1273

Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

evman101 wrote:

I shot a documentary on halloween in pitch black with the gl2 and the quality is amazing even in that low light... so shut up! biggrin
Try shooting it with a vx2100e too.
GL2 VS VX2100 in good-lighting conditions, the result is a draw, BUT in low-lighting conditions, VX2100E owns all. biggrin

Dunno if it's better than XL-2 lowlight, but it sure beats the price tag, get a Sony VX2100E IMO
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 5:08am

Post 45 of 62

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Lemme see...are humans nocturnal.....wait, that's a hard one.....I'm gonna say no. Low light capability is only about 5% of what you should be basing your opinions on...honestly. Take time to light the goddamn scenes. If you don't have any money for lighting then why did you even buy a frickin camera in the first place. I myself own a cheap Sony HandiCam and, with the 400 dollar softlight that I purchased lighting the scene, and some minimal grading, my image can look just as good as a 3,000 dollar camera's image. Learn to light, then buy, is my philosophy.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 5:21am

Post 46 of 62

Coureur de Bois

Force: 1394 | Joined: 23rd Sep 2002 | Posts: 1127

VideoWrap User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: -3

There's so much I could I say right now to you ben, but I won't. For anybody that knows anything about making movies with video, you just made yourself look like a complete idiot. Shut your garbage spewing hole you misinformed child.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 5:30am

Post 47 of 62

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Rating: +4/-1

Orion, I find you to be the most stubborn, incoherent, most intolerable person on FXHome. What I said about lighting was absolutely correct. Just because you want to win an arguement over cameras doesn't mean you always have to give the last word. I would say that I would stop now and continue this arguement on AIM, but frankly, I really don't think you're a very decent person, so I;m going to refrain from speaking to you direcly. That would be a little too much for me to bear. Answer this honestly, "Do you think before you post?" It would appear not, because if you took time to read what I said, I didn't insult anyone or anything, merely pointed out the sheer unimportance of low light capabilities. And on a final note, I wasn't talking to you when I wrote the previous post, I was speaking to a general audience. I could quote several times when you've inappropriately insulted or misjudged someone, or made an incoherent or harmful comment for no reason, but I'm not going to. I'm better than that. Attacking me and insulting me will do nothing to further career as a filmmaker, so I would suggest that you stop while you're ahead. Just stop.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 9:44am

Post 48 of 62

flipsidekrew

Force: 0 | Joined: 30th Oct 2004 | Posts: 7

Member

Both the Gl2 and Vx2100 are good cameras.. it just depends on what kind of stuff you guys are shoting.. if you like shoting at low light, then I would go with the Vx2100

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/bhshootoff_3chip_group.htm

Vx2100 has the overall best low light quality

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/sony-dcr-vx2100-vs-dcr-vx2000-low-light.htm
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 2:07pm

Post 49 of 62

xbreaka

Force: 490 | Joined: 8th Jul 2004 | Posts: 525

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

both of yall shutup befo xbreaka opens up a can of whoop ass!
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 2:32pm

Post 50 of 62

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Nicely put. Consider it dropped.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 7:33pm

Post 51 of 62

A Pickle

Force: 1235 | Joined: 7th Sep 2004 | Posts: 1280

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I use a humble, Digital-8 Sony Handycam. It works great, quite frankly. Compared to some of the JVC mini DV cams I've used and a Panasonic mini DV, I was quite impressed with my camera. I used a Canon of what I would consider equivalent in it's abilities to me, and I think, to some extent, it outperformed my Sony in low light situations.

From those screencaps, I'd say my Sony gets about that good in low light with no massive gain. Otherwise, yes. Grain (not gain) goes up the wazoo when I raise that. Like, WAY up. Ridiculously high. But then, mine's not even a $1,000 camera. smile

Bryce007 wrote:

Ev...its okay...you can just admit sonys cam is better..we wont lose any respect for you..its kinda like being able to admit macs are better than pc's, and halflife 2 is better than halo 2..
And, with all DUE respect.... Macs.... are not.... better... than PC's. EVER. Don't even get me started on OS-X.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 7:37pm

Post 52 of 62

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

I wrote that backwards for some reason..my later post corrected my terrible, terrible typo.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 8:15pm

Post 53 of 62

A Pickle

Force: 1235 | Joined: 7th Sep 2004 | Posts: 1280

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Woot biggrin
Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2004, 8:50am

Post 54 of 62

CX3

Force: 3137 | Joined: 1st Apr 2003 | Posts: 2527

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

And, with all DUE respect.... Macs.... are not.... better... than PC's. EVER. Don't even get me started on OS-X.
... sleep
Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2004, 4:25pm

Post 55 of 62

sazdmz77

Force: 0 | Joined: 3rd Nov 2004 | Posts: 7

Member

Rating: -2

So. Yeah.. working hard, unlike Evan who had his parents pay for his Gl2, I've created almost an account which could pay for the XL2. So I have some money to work with. . I saw an XL2 on www.priceritephoto.com for $3,499. That seems amazing, but I wonder if it's too good to be true. I'm not rich so I donn't want to get ripped off either.

P.S.
Oh, and no matter what Evan says, I'm not rich. Not poor, but poor enough that I have to buy all of my own stuff. (Except my ipod, which my rich grandfather bought) Go to hell Evan. lol.

P.P. S.
Evan you ruin Louis's scripts by making crappy movies out of them. Once I get a camra again, I'll rip your movies apart. O and by the way i thank Everyone who gave advice on my topic.
Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2004, 4:28pm

Post 56 of 62

er-no

Force: 9531 | Joined: 24th Sep 2002 | Posts: 3964

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

A Pickle wrote:



And, with all DUE respect.... Macs.... are not.... better... than PC's. EVER. Don't even get me started on OS-X.
They are. Actually. Sometimes better than PC's.

But we don't want to get you started. Obviously.
Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2004, 4:32pm

Post 57 of 62

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

er-no wrote:

A Pickle wrote:



And, with all DUE respect.... Macs.... are not.... better... than PC's. EVER. Don't even get me started on OS-X.
They are. Actually. Sometimes better than PC's.

But we don't want to get you started. Obviously.
Ahem, A Pickle, have you ever tried OSX? But it is so random how you hate Macs, it's like, I dislike this electronic device, let me tell the world! Just let it be.
Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2004, 6:00pm

Post 58 of 62

Mr Pencil

Force: 396 | Joined: 8th Jul 2004 | Posts: 367

Windows User

Member

Rating: +1

sazdmz77 wrote:

So. Yeah.. working hard, unlike Evan who had his parents pay for his Gl2,


Yo, Evan payed for his camera. He worked for it all summer.


sazdmz77 wrote:

P.P. S. Evan you ruin Louis's scripts by making crappy movies out of them. Once I get a camra again, I'll rip your movies apart.
That was awfully rude and ignorant of you.
Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2004, 9:47pm

Post 59 of 62

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Exactly what pencil said.

Don't listen to sazdmz77. He just has a grudge against me for aparently no reason whatsoever.

If you have something to say to me spencer, im just a few doors, down. Don't clog up these forums and these nice people's time, n00b.
Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2004, 10:05pm

Post 60 of 62

Steeb

Force: 1650 | Joined: 14th Nov 2004 | Posts: 217

VisionLab User Windows User

Gold Member

Serpent wrote:

er-no wrote:

A Pickle wrote:



And, with all DUE respect.... Macs.... are not.... better... than PC's. EVER. Don't even get me started on OS-X.
They are. Actually. Sometimes better than PC's.

But we don't want to get you started. Obviously.
Ahem, A Pickle, have you ever tried OSX? But it is so random how you hate Macs, it's like, I dislike this electronic device, let me tell the world! Just let it be.
hehe... Nice sig, Serpent!
Posted: Sun, 19th Dec 2004, 3:55am

Post 61 of 62

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

sazdmz77 and Hamm Media could start a club! "Evman Hataz Anonymous"
Posted: Sun, 19th Dec 2004, 5:33am

Post 62 of 62

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

Thanks steeb.

Hey, evman's neighbor is a good n00b because it's fun to laugh at his posts, PLEEAASE keep him here. And evman's friend, evan's movies are great, you suck, and you are wasting your money and putting shame on a great camera. But I am not stopping you, I would like to encourage you, your movies will give me a good laugh.