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The Six Minute Guy Cubed

Posted: Mon, 6th Dec 2004, 5:15pm

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Guy gatecrashes one of the Ebullient Zautrino's training simulations, and the pair must battle their way through a nightmare world to escape...

This brand new 6M2, from the producers of "The Six Minute Doctor's Birthday", is a funny look into the mind of one of BTR's most interesting characters - the Ebullient Zautrino, who has featured in both audios and films.

Also on-line is a short comedy sketch written by Kane "Guy Anwar" Major about a bungling robber, as well as a mockumentary filmed simply to use up the remaining VT we had on the day. The hypothesis posed by the mockumentary is simply: What would it be like to follow Zautrino around a shopping centre?
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Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 4:36am

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you gave yourself a 5? i'll watch it and post what i think.
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 7:11am

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I wonder if anyone will ever realize that its not real cool to rate your own movie a 5
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 7:49am

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Artur L wrote:

you gave yourself a 5? i'll watch it and post what i think.
Yep - because I happen to think the movie is very good. I look forward to hearing what others think. So far, the comments have all been very good.
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 7:50am

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I wonder if anyone will ever realize that its not real cool to rate your own movie a 5
Why? What's wrong with doing that? Surely I am allowed to be critically objective about my own film, which I happen to think is very good?
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 1:50pm

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I personally think that there is nothing with that, but you should know that it is very frowned upon much of the community here. It will be hard for them to watch your movie and not have in the back of their mind that you rated your movie a 5, especially right off the bat. I have seen so many good movies though where the filmmaker gave it a 5, so I'll watch this with an open mind, and I hope everyone else does too.
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 2:03pm

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Waser wrote:

I personally think that there is nothing with that, but you should know that it is very frowned upon much of the community here. It will be hard for them to watch your movie and not have in the back of their mind that you rated your movie a 5, especially right off the bat. I have seen so many good movies though where the filmmaker gave it a 5, so I'll watch this with an open mind, and I hope everyone else does too.
Well, I still can't understand why people would think someone giving their own film a score out of 5 is a bad thing, especially as others will no doubt review it before long and that original score of 5 will get diluted by other reviews. I would like to think that people do have enough of an open mind to judge a film on it's own merits, and not their personal view that a film should be given a low score just because the film maker is proud of the final product.
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 2:47pm

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giving yourself a 5 is just taboo, that's all... Of course you're proud of your movie, otherwise you wouldn't have uploaded it and put it on display for thousands of people smile Rating of movies is for other people to do, not yourself... I kinda wish they'd make it so that you couldn't vote on your own movie...

anyway... about your movie... smile

The bad...
I was kinda bored through the Couch scene...
The effects were kinda slow, unless you were "going for" a slow motion effect...??? I dunno... and I'm still waiting for them to "battle their way through a nightmare world to escape" ??? There wasn't much in the way of battle smile LOL there was more couch talk wink There were no sound effects at all...??? Sounds add SO much to the movie! smile

The good...
I thought that the guy dying for like three minutes was kinda funny though, and the composite was really good...

So you get a point for the composite, and a point for the humor, and a point for making a movie and not a "test / trailer" smile LOL 3/5

smile smile smile
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 8:43pm

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JamieC7 wrote:

giving yourself a 5 is just taboo, that's all... Of course you're proud of your movie, otherwise you wouldn't have uploaded it and put it on display for thousands of people smile Rating of movies is for other people to do, not yourself... I kinda wish they'd make it so that you couldn't vote on your own movie...
Well, I figured that seeing as how it was possible for me to give my own film a rating, I'd give it an honest rating that I felt reflected the amount of effort and work that I had put into ensuring that my directorial vision was realised as exactly as possible. As I've already stated in this thread, as more people vote for it, a more accurate overall picture should emerge.

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The bad...
I was kinda bored through the Couch scene...
The effects were kinda slow, unless you were "going for" a slow motion effect...??? I dunno... and I'm still waiting for them to "battle their way through a nightmare world to escape" ??? There wasn't much in the way of battle smile LOL there was more couch talk wink There were no sound effects at all...??? Sounds add SO much to the movie! smile
Very true - but I did not want any sound effects during the battle sequences to add to the suggestion that this is not meant to be realistic (ie: it's the first clue the audience gets). As for them being slow or otherwise, well, blame that on my still not being totally fluent with the use of AlamDV. However, if you said you were bored during the "couch scene", well, that does kind of suggest you missed the point of the film. It's not meant to be an action-adventure piece - it's a character study using comedic elements.

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The good...
I thought that the guy dying for like three minutes was kinda funny though, and the composite was really good...
Hmmm... that's hardly a balanced critical appraisal, but I appreciate the time you took to download the file and watch it. Thanks. Am pleased you liked the After Effects composite that I managed to put together.

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So you get a point for the composite, and a point for the humor, and a point for making a movie and not a "test / trailer" smile LOL 3/5
Well, I suppose 3/5 ain't too bad, and I agree that it's always nice to get something in the FXHome Cinema that isn't just a trailer or a test file for something much larger which may or may not ever arrive. smile
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 8:45pm

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I watched this move and it does not deserve to be number one. You don't rate yourself a five... thats just arrogant
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 9:21pm

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nanafanboy wrote:

I watched this move and it does not deserve to be number one. You don't rate yourself a five... thats just arrogant
It's not arrogant, because I am not trying to claim that I am better than others. I just voted on what I thought my film deserved - nothing more.
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 9:24pm

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I gonna give you a 4/5, because i enjoyed some parts.
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 10:18pm

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matty80 wrote:

Waser wrote:

I personally think that there is nothing with that, but you should know that it is very frowned upon much of the community here. It will be hard for them to watch your movie and not have in the back of their mind that you rated your movie a 5, especially right off the bat. I have seen so many good movies though where the filmmaker gave it a 5, so I'll watch this with an open mind, and I hope everyone else does too.
Well, I still can't understand why people would think someone giving their own film a score out of 5 is a bad thing, especially as others will no doubt review it before long and that original score of 5 will get diluted by other reviews. I would like to think that people do have enough of an open mind to judge a film on it's own merits, and not their personal view that a film should be given a low score just because the film maker is proud of the final product.
Yeah.........hmmmmm......you remind me of me. Haha. Read my posts on my old movies and you'll realize why rating a 5 is "frowned upon" and how far it can go. However, I agree with you. 2 on your film, though. Although it was 2.5 material by my standards, it still wasn't up to par with other films I've rated a 3. I know that doesn't sound fair, but thats the only way I could make a definate decision.
Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004, 11:02pm

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I would rather people didn't give their own movies reviews, but if you think you deserve it, I don't see anything wrong with that at all. It is allmost no different then giving another movie which you felt deserved it, a 5 as well.
Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2004, 9:43pm

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Artur L wrote:

I gonna give you a 4/5, because i enjoyed some parts.
Hi - thanks for the positive feedback! I'd love to hear some more detailed thoughts about what you did or didn't like, but thanks all the same!
Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2004, 9:45pm

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atom wrote:

Yeah.........hmmmmm......you remind me of me. Haha. Read my posts on my old movies and you'll realize why rating a 5 is "frowned upon" and how far it can go. However, I agree with you. 2 on your film, though. Although it was 2.5 material by my standards, it still wasn't up to par with other films I've rated a 3. I know that doesn't sound fair, but thats the only way I could make a definate decision.
I see - well, perhaps it's the teacher in me, but that kind of score does suggest that you thought the film was frankly terrible, and to that end, I would love to know why you felt it necessary to give the film such a low rating. Was it down to poor acting? Poor writing? Poor use of special effects? Poor realisation of special effects? Poor cinematography? Poor costuming? Poor set design? As far as I can make out, you must have thought all of them sucked.
Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2004, 9:48pm

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masta oooba wrote:

I would rather people didn't give their own movies reviews, but if you think you deserve it, I don't see anything wrong with that at all. It is allmost no different then giving another movie which you felt deserved it, a 5 as well.
That's exactly right - and this argument that my film supposedly doesn't deserve to be in the Top 10 or whatever is utter nonsense, because as soon as other people start to review it, and post their own scores out of 5, of course it's going to shift. Which has happened - thus the argument is gone.
Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2004, 10:04pm

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Just some advice, dont bother voting on your own films.
Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2004, 10:26pm

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You must admit that some people may get the wrong impression of you, you say that it's nonsense that your movie doesn't deserve to be in the top 10, that sounds a tad arrogant as does voting a 5 which would suggest to me that you think it is perfect and there is no room for improvement.

There is nothing wrong with voting your own movie a 5, that's your opinion but you really don't have much right to be hugely defensive when people disagree.
Posted: Thu, 9th Dec 2004, 12:25am

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sk8npirate wrote:

Just some advice, dont bother voting on your own films.
Agred - it seems this place doesn't allow you to have an opinion on your own film, only on others. Which is a shame - removal of freedom and all that...
Posted: Thu, 9th Dec 2004, 12:28am

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Rawree wrote:

You must admit that some people may get the wrong impression of you, you say that it's nonsense that your movie doesn't deserve to be in the top 10, that sounds a tad arrogant as does voting a 5 which would suggest to me that you think it is perfect and there is no room for improvement.
But that's just it - I don't think there are any areas that I could improve the film in. I wouldn't have released the film unless I personally thought it was perfect. Sure, others might think very differently from that, but I still cannot see why my personal vote on the film should be influenced by what others might / might not say. Surely we're all entitled to our own opinion?

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There is nothing wrong with voting your own movie a 5, that's your opinion but you really don't have much right to be hugely defensive when people disagree.
I'm not getting highly defensive about people disagreeing with my vote - that's their right, as everyone has their own opinion. I just get annoyed when people say I am forbidden from voting for my own film, that's all.
Posted: Thu, 9th Dec 2004, 3:28am

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Don't worry about it man this thread is making a big deal out of nothing. If thats what you think you deserved, then stick with it. There is no problem with thinking you made the film to the best of your ability. Thats all that matters.
Posted: Thu, 9th Dec 2004, 4:36am

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sk8npirate wrote:

Don't worry about it man this thread is making a big deal out of nothing. If thats what you think you deserved, then stick with it. There is no problem with thinking you made the film to the best of your ability. Thats all that matters.
Thanks - I am pleased someone other than me shares my view on this particular issue. It would be nice to get some genuine reviews and feedback about my work on this film, but I doubt I am going to get it. No-one seems to review films around here - just whinge about little things that don't matter...
Posted: Thu, 9th Dec 2004, 4:30pm

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Also, you should watch the way you are putting your point across, saying that you have been "forbidden" and about "removal of freedom" is not what people have said; it makes it seem as if you are making a big thing of it and blowing it out of proportion. Lets not hold a grudge and just move on.

I'll post my opinion of it soon (after I've watched it) biggrin
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 10:52am

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Rawree wrote:

Also, you should watch the way you are putting your point across, saying that you have been "forbidden" and about "removal of freedom" is not what people have said; it makes it seem as if you are making a big thing of it and blowing it out of proportion. Lets not hold a grudge and just move on.
Don't worry - I have. In fact, I had never actually intended / wanted the issue to become as large as it has, and dominate this entire thread. I had originally hoped I'd get some constructive feedback from fellow AlamDV users about my work on this film, and not receive endless comments about how naughty a boy I am for having a personal opinion on my own film. wink

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I'll post my opinion of it soon (after I've watched it) biggrin
Cool - I look forward to reading it! It would be nice to get at least one critical review of the film here, but I am not confident that'll happen.
Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2004, 11:39pm

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Well, i quite enjoyed this actually. Rather than ramble on I'll just note down my opinions (If you need any further explaination then do say)

The good Stuff:

The acting - I felt that this was very well acted and even despite the OTT style it didn't seem "Fake"

The humour - This was far better than many of the "comedies" on the site, this was helped by the acting and made me laugh out loud once or twice (this rarely happens with FXHome comedies) as it wasn't simply people acting daft, it seemed as if some thought went into it.

The sound quality - It was very good to be able to hear what the actors were saying and not having inaudible mumbles.

The Average Stuff:

The Effects - Whilst obviously not the main focus of the movie they could still be improved as they moved rather sluggishly and were a tad unimaginative (You can combine effects to make some really cool magic fx, check out Legend of the Spellmaster if it's still up here)

The Death Scene - You really should have stopped the coughing while the guys were talking and the camera cuts away and only had it when the "Victim" was in shot, (It's kind of like in a film in a bank, you will never here the cashiers behind the hero as he is talking to someone else as it would distract the audience's attemtion with something unimportant; they would just mime words or the sound would be toned down.

The Bad Stuff

The twirl - Whether for comedy or as a slow motion action piece, this ended up looking silly, as if he was making sure he didn't hit his arm on the rail.

The look - This could have been much improved visually if you had lost the "home movie look" with a bit of grading.


Lol this is why I don't comment on movies much, I ramble on even when summerizing.
Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2004, 4:16am

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Rawree wrote:

Well, i quite enjoyed this actually. Rather than ramble on I'll just note down my opinions (If you need any further explaination then do say)
Hi - thanks for taking the time to download the film, watch it, and then review it with such detail! It's pleasing to know that after waiting an entire week for a proper review here, I've finally got one! Ta muchly! smile

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The acting - I felt that this was very well acted and even despite the OTT style it didn't seem "Fake"
Thanks - that's one big advantage I think BTR has over many of the films here right now. We employ actual actors, and not just people having a laff.

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The humour - This was far better than many of the "comedies" on the site, this was helped by the acting and made me laugh out loud once or twice (this rarely happens with FXHome comedies) as it wasn't simply people acting daft, it seemed as if some thought went into it.
That's very true - another benefit I think we have over many of the films here, in that the script was written by an actual writer with credentials, and not just someone slapping some ideas together. The writer in question, Darran Jordan, has always made me laugh, and if you like this film, I recommend you check our our radio production The Natasha X Show.

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The sound quality - It was very good to be able to hear what the actors were saying and not having inaudible mumbles.
Yeah, you wouldn't believe the audio was captured using the simple mono microphone contained in the camera, given how clear it turned out. smile

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The Effects - Whilst obviously not the main focus of the movie they could still be improved as they moved rather sluggishly and were a tad unimaginative (You can combine effects to make some really cool magic fx, check out Legend of the Spellmaster if it's still up here)
I've just had a look, and the film you mention doesn't appear to be on-line anymore. Which is a shame. Based on your recommendation, I'd have liked to check it out. Anyway, I agree the effects are pretty basic, but this film wasn't meant to be about the effects - they were just included to ensure certain aspects of the film were conveyed to the audience. wink

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The Death Scene - You really should have stopped the coughing while the guys were talking and the camera cuts away and only had it when the "Victim" was in shot, (It's kind of like in a film in a bank, you will never here the cashiers behind the hero as he is talking to someone else as it would distract the audience's attemtion with something unimportant; they would just mime words or the sound would be toned down.
Yes, well, I ummm'ed and arrr'ed about this particular aspect of the film for quite some time, and in the end I decided to go for realism over extreme clarity by keeping a coughing loop continuous, but I did drop it down in the mix when I cut away from Brian. It was a tough call, because I didn't want it too quiet, nor too loud. In the end, I think I've got the balance about perfect, although it's clear other people might choose to disagree. wink

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The twirl - Whether for comedy or as a slow motion action piece, this ended up looking silly, as if he was making sure he didn't hit his arm on the rail.
Yes, the twirl. There was a reason at the time I asked Jacob to put the twirl in there, but for the life of me I cannot remember what it was now. I know we did a large number of takes for this shot, but it does kind of work.

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The look - This could have been much improved visually if you had lost the "home movie look" with a bit of grading.
Yes, this was something I had really wanted to do with the film, but for the life of me couldn't work out how to do it. Any tips / advice you could give me in the area of grading would be greatly appreciated, believe me. smile

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Lol this is why I don't comment on movies much, I ramble on even when summerizing.
Oh, thank you for taking the time to write this review. It's been great to finally get some decent actual feedback from someone on FXHome.com!
Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2004, 8:33pm

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Well I'm glad my review was useful biggrin .

If you want to find out about grading and all that jazz then keep your eyes open for Digigrade which is a digital grading program CSB Digital are releasing (hopefully) soon. As far as I know it'll be about the same price as AlamDv and even if you don't buy it I'm sure there will be a lot of talk about grading floating around the forums here when it comes out.
Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2004, 10:38pm

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Rawree wrote:

Well I'm glad my review was useful biggrin .
No problems. Again, thanks for taking the time to write one - appreciated! smile

Rawree wrote:

If you want to find out about grading and all that jazz then keep your eyes open for Digigrade which is a digital grading program CSB Digital are releasing (hopefully) soon. As far as I know it'll be about the same price as AlamDv and even if you don't buy it I'm sure there will be a lot of talk about grading floating around the forums here when it comes out.
Oh yes, I've been patiently waiting for the release of Digigrade, as I think it will be a fantastic piece of kit to add to the garage film-makers post-production suite. I had actually been hoping it would be on general release before I made this particular film, but it looks like I shall have to save up using it for the 2005 6M2 I am already planning on making.