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WHICH EDITING SOFTWARE???

Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 1:03pm

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fishboy_uk

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Having just been introduced to the totally
amazing alam2 could someone please recommend
an editing suite to me as the one supplied with my firewire card is very basic.
I notice alot of talk on the forums about
ADOBE PREMIERE but £500 is abit much for me.
Thanks.
FISHBOY
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 1:26pm

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I use Adobe Premiere 6, but Final Cut is great as well. Both are excellent programs for DV, however using Premiere makes integrating with other Adobe applications like After Effects, Photoshop and Illustrator much easier (which you'll need to do as your DV Projects become more advanced). jesus.....I sound like and Adobe salesman......I'd get a copy of Premiere 6 if I were you, but you can' t go wrong with Final Cut Pro 2 or 3 (unfortunately @ $1000.00 US Retail)......

While I would never advocate software priacy, I've heard of file sharing portals on the Internet like http://www.limewire.com, http://www.musiccity.com/, http://www.bearshare.com etc. etc. etc. where this software is floating around free of charge for both Mac and PC OS's. Perfect if you want to "try" it out for a "while"...... wink

-Neo
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 4:40pm

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Simon K Jones

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I use Premiere 6 and am very happy with it. It does everything I want it to do, in a pretty efficient way.

I haven't used Final Cut, but have heard very good stuff about it.

Whilst Premiere 6 is expensive, I certainly have no complaints about it either.

The only other editing equipment I've used is a university AVID suite, which should have been excellent (AVID being what most motion pictures are edited using), but was in fact utterly rubbish.
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 10:53pm

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actually, I think one of the best editing programs is iMovie2.

It may be hard to beleive, but you can pull off any editing technique you want. It is also great for soundeffects. My only gripe is that you can't export clips from the bin, and have to export them from the timeline. Also, with sound, you don't have a volume line that lets you turn up the audio in specific spots. We've used imove for all of our movies. wink
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 10:55pm

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imovie! and it's almost free too. and it's only for macs! but final cut pro is really easy too. imovie!
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 2:08am

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Well if your looking for something just to edit, like say for trimming clips, transitions, sound effects, background music, picture in picture, overlapping, etc..
I use MGI VideoWave
Its not too expensive. Im from Canada and it was $200 (so about 50 cents american lol) and it came with Focus Enhancements Comman Post. Basically a Jog wheel and a ton of buttons you can program for anything in most programs like AE, Premiere, etc.
OIverall it is a good value. Not as good as Premiere mind you, but still good for the value, you might want to look it up.

-MAGIC
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 2:11am

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Well, FCP 3 is definetly the best. It just makes the most sense, has the best interface, and has all the features of AE and Premiere combined. If you're a student or teacher you can get the academic version for 300 bucks! Premiere is probaly 2nd best. I used to use that before I got my mac and FCP, and i found it very suitable, but not quite up to par with FCP. Next in line is imovie. This software does just about anything basic you would really need to do. Did i mention the price was great? Finnaly, I've also used Ulead. Its really cheap and is much more versatile than imovie, but not as simple or stable. It has some good filters and transitions that may come in handy. Again, if you can save up that 1000 bucks get FCP, its really amazing, even at it's price.
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 4:52am

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Pinnacle Studio 7. So easy to use. Lots of features and cheap. Also has a good forum (like this one) to help people.
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 1:09pm

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correct me if im wrong, but im retty sure adobe has demos of premier, not sure about after effects, so give those a go for testing.
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 3:05pm

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A Amor

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Main actor from Main concept has good support for DV if you have i digital camera and a firewire card.
The output from their softDV codec looks much better than Media Studio or Premiere.
Also has no 4Gb limits which can be a real pain.
It costs $99 from http://www.mainactor.com.

They also have a DV Codec that is far better than the Microsoft one. Much less loss of quality and more acurate colour.
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 7:16pm

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What this all boils down to is what system you currently use. I take it that you are not looking to buy a new computer, so this would limit your options.

Final Cut Pro and iMovie only work on the Mac system. So if you do not have a Mac then these programs are not much of an option without buying a Mac. But, for the money iMovie is great. Granted FCP kicks its ass, but iMovie is a great program for the money.

I have never heard of the other video programs mentioned except Adobe's, so I could not tell you about those. But, Adobe's is not too bad if you can not use FCP.

But, there other options.

One is your local schools. One of them should have one of the mentioned programs. And if taking a class is not an option, then hook up with someone who has access to these programs.

See if there are video editing bays available to rent in your home area. While this can be costly, it would give you access to a very nice system and people who should know the program.

Look around locally. You mention the word "movie" and you will be amazed at what people will be willing to do, for free, to help. Check your local hobby, book, and computer stores. Someone is bound to have these programs and be willing to work with you.

Another option is your local cable provider.(I have no idea if this applies outside the USA.) But, here in the States, cable systems offer a local access channel and the better ones have a studio, cameras, and editing bays. Plus they offer classes on how to use all this stuff.
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 8:03pm

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Pooch

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If I might,

My first inclination was to start ranting about how crappy imovie is based on what I've seen. But then it occurred to me that I may not know exactly everything about it. So I ask this to all you imovie buffs.

Text. A basic necessity of any editing program as far as I'm concerned. How is it that you can't position it wherever you want. And why is it you can only pick from like 20 colors instead of the whole spectrum. I'd say that's a huge oversight in any video editing program. And can't you only have like 2 or 3 video tracks? Any transparency capabilities? It seems subpar at best, but hey, maybe I just couldn't find these functions. Someone enlighten me.
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 9:24pm

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iMovie is a completely free video editing application. It is meant to be simple and not have too many features. Apple could have easily added many more functions, however: this would have complicated the program AND what would happen to FCP? If it had advanced fuctions it then no one would purchase FCP since the FREE imovie woud do it ALL for them!

Video Tracks: You can only see one video at a time anyway when watching movie. Most people are never going to need more than 1! They will probaly just show the original clip, and then when they wanted a second clip make a transition between the two on the same line! I don't believe it supports transparency, but most people can live without it.

Text: No, it doesn't let you manually move the text. However it does let you easily make moving text, change the size, Font, color, speed, etc. Most ordinary users are just going to need simple fade in titles with whatever font they need. The fact that it only lets you have 20 colors is pretty stupid. I'm not sure on the reasoning behind that...

Most movies that i see in the cinema section can easily be done with only imove and alamdv. It's really not that bad, when you consider its price!
Posted: Thu, 21st Mar 2002, 10:36am

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futant

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iMovie is designed for a person to edit their home movies. It is meant for some one to clean up their backyard Bar BQ video or their childs school play. It is not a pro level product. And in that regard it is limited in what it can do, when compared to pro level video editing programs.

But in its defense you can learn it in about an hour. FCP 2 has a 1400 + page manual. The manual for version 3, I understand comes in around 800 to 900 pages.

But, just to give an idea of what it has done. A 14 year old in the Mid-west (USA) made a movie with it that has played in film festivals.
Posted: Thu, 21st Mar 2002, 4:04pm

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I find that if I need to do anything like specific placement of text, or transparency, I just use After Effects.

If you just combine The versatility of AE with the editing of iMovie2, then you have everything you need! (of course, you need to know about exporting and importing with imovie.)
Posted: Sun, 24th Mar 2002, 8:55pm

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go to http://www.aist.com and they have moviexone which is free.

Pinnacle studios usually has adobe premiere bundled with other software and a video card for around $299.00.

BIG HINT: EBAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would though highly adobe premiere and there a large number of books and training cds available for it and of course you will need after effects not to mention the third party plugins.

All this stuff is fairly cheap in the US.

Again: EBAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2002, 12:31am

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I've tried just about all the demos out there from basic editing to sfx packages. An amazing basic tool (can't create light sabers) with several top end elements and is EASY to use and manipulate all aspects is Adamation's Personal Studio 3.0 (adamation.com) for only 39 bucks. I used to love videowave until I found this.
Posted: Thu, 18th Apr 2002, 6:16am

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Yes there are lots of cheap ones from Pinnacle, MGI and Ulead and they mostly suck but come free with video cameras and capture/firewire cards, so if your getting into video you may get one free with something or a cheap upgrade coupon.

Premier is ok but its not brilliant and is barely a pro system the main good thing about it is that it combines well with Aftereffects. The line is somewhere between Premier and things like Final Cut Pro, Studio.DV and possibly Speedrazor which are more on the bottom end of pro than the top of amature. These can sometimes be picked up cheap on ebay.
Posted: Wed, 24th Apr 2002, 1:15am

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iMovie is totally the best if you have zero editing experience. Its also is good if you want to edit something really fast w/nothing too fancy. Moving to FCP is the next step into a whole world. I got both FCP and Premiere for free(yes, SugahSean is a twisted sinner! evil ), and like somone mentioned earlier, FCP is more of total package of the two. Just when you think you know it all, FCP will surprise you again and again!(no, I dont work for Apple).
Posted: Sun, 28th Apr 2002, 2:05pm

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Yes everyone seems to compare FCP to Premier and says that FCP is better. Well duh! FCP retails at around four times the price.
Posted: Mon, 29th Apr 2002, 5:31pm

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Well worth the price. Buy the upgrade. You don't need an original copy (it's mis-leading). If you're a student it should only cost you about $300.00 USD.

-Neo
Posted: Thu, 9th May 2002, 4:33am

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Honestly, Premire is a step below FCP. FCP competes directly, face to face with Avid. Across the U.S. FCP is taking over broadcast and film facilities extremely fast. And Avid is responding with ExpressDV. It will cost about $600 more than FCP. But FCP still has features that make or break projects. Like some of the most awesome and easy to use color correction.

iMovie is great. "But its only for the Mac." Just like ULead is "only for Windows."

Whatever you get, start small. Spend some time with it, make some movies. Then you'll be very comfortable with spending more than you actually have on a big system.

As for myself, I'm on a G4. And I mostly (not exclusively) use FCP, AE, Peak, Type Styler, Photoshop and iDVD. Yes, older G4's are EASILY outfitted with the "Apple Super Drive" to burn movie CDs (all you do in swap your CD/DVD drive with a Pioneer DVR-A03 internal DVD burner). Oh, and of course, when called for, AlamDV2. Yeah, AlamDV2, very cool.
Posted: Mon, 13th May 2002, 11:35pm

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Neo

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I just found some good FCP 3 dmg. files on Limewire. They work for OS 9 and X. Go get em if you're interested.

-Neo
Posted: Tue, 14th May 2002, 2:21am

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Here's my take:

When I first got my dv camcorder I used iMovie. It is awesome for beginners. Incredibly intuitive and gives great results. It does all of the basic stuff very well, but as said already it was intended for the average user so you're going to eventually want to upgrade to something more powerful. At first I found FCP complicated, but after going through a few tutorials I would never go back. It is so powerful and versatile, everything you have heard about it is true.
Posted: Tue, 14th May 2002, 10:22pm

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Neo

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I went exactly the same way RADAR. I bought the DV Creators tutorials and now I'm magical! smile smile

-Neo