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Dragon

Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 3:56pm

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NickD

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My friends and I are making a spoof of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Could someone create a dragon. He should look like he's blowing fire (I'll add the fire in later) and then I need one of him turning around and growling.

Thanks
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 4:07pm

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Mellifluous

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Use a 3d program, e.g. Blender
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 4:35pm

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TimmyD

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If he knew how to make a 3D dragon, I'm sure he wouldnt be asking for one. I'm not so good at modeling, but I can try, if someone else makes the plugin.
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 5:15pm

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Serpent

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we already have a dragon plugin, and a fire plugin, put them together and you got it. I will make a better dragon plugin if I get the time.
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 6:36pm

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Marek

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timmyd wrote:

If he knew how to make a 3D dragon, I'm sure he wouldnt be asking for one. I'm not so good at modeling, but I can try, if someone else makes the plugin.
Well that doesn't change the fact that Alamdv2 isn't a 3D program, and in no way works with 3D objects.
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 7:04pm

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Mellifluous

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He may not know how to make a 3d dragon but now would be a good time to start, wouldn't it?

Making 3d plugins for AlamDV is just a waste of time. They look awful anyway because good 3d is lit to the scene it's created for.
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2004, 5:04am

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ben3308

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It's a spoof, it doesn't have to look realistic, I'm guessing. Was Monty Python and THG very realistic? He wants a plugin, several people could very well make it for him, and he paid for the software. I think he's entitled to the plugin he wants. Were I able to make it for him, I would. But I can't. AlamDV CAN apply 3d objects and it CAN mask. I'm pretty sure those are grounds for saying it can work with 3D. Somewhat.
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2004, 6:20am

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sidewinder

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ben, do you realize the difficulty involved in modelling, rigging, animating, lighting, and rendering a realistic 3d dragon?


The plugin is a pipe-dream.
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2004, 6:30am

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ben3308

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Yes, I do realize the difficulty, I just thought that maybe someone already had a model or something. Still, if it was a simple model it wouldn't take THAT long.
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2004, 8:58am

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Axeman

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If it is a Monty Python spoof ( a bizarre, rather redundant concept in itself), then what about using a paper cut-out animated Dragon, in true Monty Python style? Then you just need to draw or find a picture or two, cut it out, and film that. Make Terry Gilliam proud. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2004, 11:24pm

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Marek

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ben3308 wrote:

AlamDV CAN apply 3d objects and it CAN mask. I'm pretty sure those are grounds for saying it can work with 3D.
No, AlamDV CAN apply 2D images which may or may not be made FROM a 3D rendering. And yes, AlamDV CAN mask but what does that have to do with it? I didn't realize you were such an expert Ben.

Sometimes it helps to know what you're talking about before you start an arguement.

I agree with Axeman, classic effect techniques are far too under-used these days...
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Posted: Tue, 14th Dec 2004, 11:57pm

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Rawree

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A suggestion to anyone who wants 3D plugins:

There are several things you should do before asking for a 3D plugin:

1) Ask yourself "Does this need to be Cg or can it be done for real?"
If the answer is "Yes" proceed to number 2

2) Think "Does my movie really need a 3D <Insert object here> or do I just want it because it looks cool?" If the answer is "Yes" proceed to number 3.

3) Do not request 3D stuff as a plugin, you will get the same response as always.

4) Repeat Step 2

5) Find a 3D guy to help you out. As proved by Aculag, it's not hard to find people wiling to do 3D stuff for your movies if you post up a thread asking. However, you should have a clear idea of what you want to do and make sure it will be worth the modeller/animators time; if you are making yet another movie "because me and some friends were bored one afternoon" people will be less likely to want to help.

6) If you manage to find a 3D guy make sure you know exactly what you want done and provide reference images, concept sketches and/or a script. Let them know exactly what they have to do.

7) Make sure the movie is good (This steip applies to all movies)

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Posted: Wed, 15th Dec 2004, 12:08am

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Mellifluous

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*Twirls moustache*

Hear hear!
Posted: Wed, 15th Dec 2004, 2:50am

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GeeksGoneBad

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Can somebody take what Rawree just said and make it a sticky? smile LOL Because it's so true... Most 3D stuff isn't suitable for a plug in, because it's so specific to one person's needs, or it should be to look believable...