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Cinema 4d or 3d MAX?

Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 4:23pm

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Hi! I am moving into the realm of 3d and am wondering.. between these two which would you pick? (I have never done any 3D)

Thankx!
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 4:27pm

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Go with 3D MAX. It is the best you could probably be able to use on a PC.
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 4:57pm

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hi

C4D!!! for beginners really the best... it is
extremely easy to learn and it has many features, one of the fastest renderer on the world and also good support and community!

(i'm a cinema4d user too:)

happy rendering

cya later in the c4d-community biggrin
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 9:18pm

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What do people think about Maya? Is that any good? Which is better, 3D Max or maya?

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Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 9:34pm

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Maya costs a blinking fortune, 3dmax costs a mint, and C4D XL7 is expensive, if you are just starting and want something that is easy to learn go for C4D, it is getting more and more popular all the time.

XL7 has caustics and radiosity built in, the interface is really simple and it has many powerful features.

3dmax is one of the industry standards for games creators, and cg animators, not so much with actual filmmakers.

But i would get a demo of C4D from http://www.maxoncomputer.com and try it out.
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 9:54pm

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Does anyone have any good links for C4D 7 tutorials? Thanks.
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 10:47pm

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If you are looking to create 3d effects, like compositing, You'll want 3d max.

3dcafe.com has tutorials for almost all of the programs.
Posted: Tue, 19th Mar 2002, 10:59pm

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niko! you dont need to post things on the forum when you could just freakin' call me! jeez smile
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 1:11am

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Is Lightwave any good?
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 1:28am

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Yes Lightwave is good. Still a notch below 3Dstudio Max, I think, but good. Kind of a steep learning curve.
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 2:16am

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Yea, I've been using the trial version and I find it's sorta wierd. I still don't quite *get it*. I use 3D MAX, but I only have a slow PC and fast mac, and I wanted to see if there was any good mac 3D programs, so i can tottaly dump my PC. I find 3D MAX to be great and that is what I use typically for animations and "attempting" modeling. Limewire looks simpler but I find it is hard to figure out and work with. I guess I'll just stick with MAX for now.
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 2:48am

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Yeah, the only 3D program available for Mac that I know of that will still give you the quality of 3DS Max is Maya, and that comes with a hefty price tag.

I take that back. You might want to look at ElectricImage Universe. You can download an OSX demo from Apple's website, in the OSX Downloads page. I'm not sure if it is quite up to par with 3DS Max, but it is very nice, and runs around $1000, I think.

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Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 3:34am

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It's nice of you guys to list the price, but I don't think he's really worried about how much they cost, if you get my drift. wink
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 4:08am

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lol. I have to admit that we talk about the price tag of all the software and stuff but lets admit it: for MOST of us we didn't exactly buy the full version. Allthough, i do know know some people that do, and I commend them. I'm not a fan of piracy or anything, but when sometimes i really want to try out software and not pay 15,000. Its not like i use it for commercial use or anything, I just like to expierence the software. I DO buy most of my software, my software that is 150 dollars or less, cause it IS affordable. I just don't want to spend 15,000 dollas on MAYA just to make a 1second animation for a fan film. I don't like piracy, but i have to admit i find myself using it on the occasion....
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 7:09am

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The reason I post prices is because I pay for ALL my software. I could start into a rant on piracy here, but it wouldn't really get me anywhere, would it? Piracy is a bad thing.

I'll leave it at that. For now. smile
Posted: Wed, 20th Mar 2002, 10:11pm

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Actually, it might be easier just buying Cinema 4D than finding it on the internet. Any 4 year old can find a copy of Premiere or 3DS Max, but C4D proves to be a bit more challenging.
Posted: Sat, 23rd Mar 2002, 11:41pm

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Well if you are after Cinema 4D you need not get involved with any dodgy Pirates. I just found it on the front of some PC amg, PC Pro I think, the one that comes in two flavours, CD and DVD. It states it is the full version with over £400 but i'm not an expert on the software so I should see what the 3D experts say. However it does sound like it is worth the £5 for the price of the mag so i'll be getting it tomorrow. Anyone got it yet ? Care to comment ?
Vega
Posted: Sun, 24th Mar 2002, 12:46am

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......and this is why AlamDV is such a great thing. It's affordable to the Normal Person.

As for software piracy, I'm not overly keen on it myself.

But when it comes to films, I'm definitely 100% against it. If I'm creating something, no matter what it is, I don't want to use a tool that I've stolen from somebody else. Hence for Muffy And Jebediah 1 we used Simply3D, because we couldn't afford anything else.

For M&J2 we've used Blender, again because we couldn't afford anything else (and because it's rather good).

Now, we could have gone and got pirate versions of 3DSMax or Maya or Lightwave or what have you, but we didn't. Because I don't want to have a product out there which I've made using dodgy tools - even though I'm still only at the amateur level.

If I ever get success through filmmaking, I want it to be genuine and not by exploiting other people.

Of course, there's a whole other debate relating to the absurdly overpriced software out there, but I won't get into that. smile

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Posted: Sun, 24th Mar 2002, 9:22am

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I have Blender too, i'm new
to the world of 3D and would apriciate any Blender tutorials that may be out there. I'm aware of the fact the comapny have gone t**$ up but there should still be soem sites out there dedicated to it's use ?
Vega
Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2002, 4:17am

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Ya know, i downloaded the cinema 4D demo, and it has every basic function available!! I can't see what's limited. cool!

Anyway, i found a GREAT tutorial/intro to Cinema 4D. Even though it is directed toward C4D, it will work for ANY 3D program it. It's really like the ultimate beginner guide: very thorough. It explains about nurbs and splines and everything your gonna need to know. Very awesome. for some odd reason, the guy makes you "register" do download the free tutorial. Anyways, check it out at:

http://www.jollup.co.uk/

Then click graphics, then get an ID by typing your email in. Then, once in, go to samples>tutorials. Then select the first part and click "vote" to get a link to the pdf tutorial. Again it is very beginnerish and you need to know this stuff to do 3D. Advanced chapters are also there. Enjoy!
Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2002, 5:33am

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My cinema 4D demo is save disabled and renders with a watermark. Where did you get yours from?
Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2002, 8:31am

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ATTENTION EVERYONE IN THE UK!!!!!

I have just purchased PC PLUS magazine, with it comes Cinema 4D v5 and Poser 3. They are both full programs and perfect for anyone whos new (or a veteran) at 3d work.

Just thought youd like to know

mighty_joe
Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2002, 8:51am

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Yup thats the one PC Plus not
PC pro, I got it yesterday and now i'm on the hunt for cool tutorials, and models. Is it true you can import models from 3D max and Lightwave ? Anyone with any cool model sites or tutorial sites for Cinema 4D I guess here's the place to post 'em....
Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2002, 5:07pm

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Vega: see my link a above for a great tutorial.

Axeman: I downloaded the OS X R7.3 demo and the only function i noticed that wasn't there was the pre-built humas: got a message saying it was a demo. Render had no watermark, though.
Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2002, 5:33pm

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Another Program you guys could look into is Electric image. You can get the 3d tool kit at http://www.dvgarage.com. Not only does it come with electric image, but it comes with loads of tutorials on how to make realistic 3d, and how to model. I highly recommend it. I got it last week and i already feel comfortable with the program. The price is only $200 dollars too, and it comes in PC and Mac format.
Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2002, 9:51pm

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Cheers AV, gonna check it out now...
Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2002, 1:59am

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can one of you put it online for a day or 2?

i want to try cinema 4d

or blender if anyone has it

thx
Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2002, 4:02am

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http://www.cinema4d.com has the free demo that has all the features. Download from there.

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Posted: Sat, 30th Mar 2002, 8:51pm

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Can anyone recommend any good books
for the Cinema 4D that was given away with PC pro this month. I did a search on amazon and they produced only two books...surly there are more than that, i'm looking for soemthign that will explain how to animate a model.
Best regards,
Vega...