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can i use SW footage?

Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 3:44pm

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Hi all, me again

Is it illegal to use the moving shots of lets say corousant from one of the Star Wars movies for use in a fan film because i can't find any renders of cities anywhere

Thanks

Silencer
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 3:50pm

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Yes it is illegal. However if you actually do something with the shot rather than just include it people are unlikely to say anything.

But again like including music it is illegal even though people on the whole ignore that so you won't be able to sell that footage or enter it into competitions or anything like that.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 3:52pm

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Hope you don't mind me answering this, i seem to have some first hand legal copyright information.

The basic line is.
If you use someone's image or scene then that is copyright stealing, ( Even for a homemade film )
Now, if you are prepared to go ahead and use it, the most they can do is ask you to stop showing it and remove it from your film.
If you fail to comply with that, then they have a far greater case, so at that point you might aswell comply.
There are so many films that use music and logo's etc, unless your film is so good it gets noticed by the big studio's chances are no one will ever care. ( of course don't sell you film if you are using copyrighted stuff, even for costs )

So as one that has been down that road, my advise is to use it, and if it gets to a point that's bad, just remove it.

good luck
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 4:03pm

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Thanks guys, we don't want to sell the movie or enter it in any competitions but we would like to have it hosted on maybe this ite and the TFN fan films site would that be ok if we used other peoples animation etc
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 5:33pm

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Use some of the planet plugins in the ADV plugin section. First buy ADV.

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Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 5:46pm

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timmyd wrote:

Use some of the planet plugins in the ADV plugin section. First buy ADV.
Read his post and then evaluate how useful your's was.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 7:07pm

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Rawree... Does timmyd EVER post anything useful? I mean... Does he? Seriously?
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 7:49pm

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Rating: +1

But, to whoever gave him the -1, does he really deserve it? Sure, what he said didn't help at all, but a poor attempt to help isn't a bad thing, it's just not really a good thing either.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 8:00pm

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Rating: -1

alot of people take the rating system to damn seriously if someone says o look a naked old man then a -1 is deserved but even unhelpful info doesnt deserve a -1
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 8:23pm

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Rating: -1

You say people take it too seriously, and then continue to complain about the use of -1's...

Force doesn't mean anything when it all comes down to it.
Negative ratings don't hurt you in any way whatsoever.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 8:34pm

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xbreaka wrote:

alot of people take the rating system to damn seriously if someone says o look a naked old man then a -1 is deserved but even unhelpful info doesnt deserve a -1
The rating system is actually to say whether you recommend the post or not, not if you agree, disagree etc. They just said they recommend people don't read Timmy's post which is fair enough because it's irrelevant to the topic.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 8:48pm

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indeed, the rating system isnt just for offensive posts.

It specifically says to use it to rate down useless or incorrect ones. In the case of incorrect or offensive ones you are usually going to respond as well so it is really only of any use for useless posts.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 9:18pm

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Marek wrote:

You say people take it too seriously, and then continue to complain about the use of -1's...

Force doesn't mean anything when it all comes down to it.
Negative ratings don't hurt you in any way whatsoever.
Negative ratings dont hurt but their ugly on a profile.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 9:39pm

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timmyd wrote:

Marek wrote:

You say people take it too seriously, and then continue to complain about the use of -1's...

Force doesn't mean anything when it all comes down to it.
Negative ratings don't hurt you in any way whatsoever.
Negative ratings dont hurt but their ugly on a profile.
But you have to understand that the profile doesn't mean anything either.
And if you think they look ugly in your profile why don't you think before you post worthless comments that people seem to react badly to and try and balance them out with some positives. Really the more you post the more likely you are to get rated whether it's up or down so maybe post a bit less unless you have something to say that isn't just some crap that's the first thing that enters your mind.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 9:57pm

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if it doesnt matter why does no one every rate any of the csb guys down i mean they occasionaly say something irrelevant, aparently ratings do mean something.
Posted: Sun, 9th Jan 2005, 10:19pm

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I agree completley with xbreaka.
Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005, 12:22am

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Actually, I don't think I've ever seen any of the CSB guys post anything irrelevant or unhelpful. They are always very professional. That's why people don't rate them down.
Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005, 12:35am

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Rating: +1

Basically a - rating is just to show that the person who asked the question should just skip that post because its no worth reading to get straight to the answer they are looking for. So when they see the + rating they obviously jump there because they realize its important and useful and more then a +1 rating mean other community members realize its useful information and recommend it as well. - rating are not used for hate.. just basically meaning the information is not worth reading and should move forward to get to your answer faster bascially. Its not a - vs. + come on we are community.. to be part of the community you should be willing to try your best to co-operate with the fellow community members.. if you get a - rating don't worry about it.. seriously move on and don't bring it up cause it doesn't mean ANY harm towards use.. sure the colour red can be deceiving razz I'm sure we can all move on though.
Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005, 6:54pm

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Rating: +1

Do the ratings really matter? Let's look at it... We're here to get and give advice on Fx shots as well as how to shoot things for our own videos and "films". Does a negative number really affect the outcome of those projects? I don't notice the ratings at all, and when i do, i don't care.

Who goes and reads profies to look at the negative ratings. I always thought we were all here to give and recieve information. That's just my opinion tho. I could be wrong.
Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005, 7:06pm

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VFX Guy, you've got it. Problem is every few months there's someone who comes along and goes off on one every time they get a -1 thinking that it's some big part of their life. I assure you that within the year there will be others who feel the same way as Tim (does/did) and get offended and ask for people to remove them (no offence to these guys as they havn't worryed about force in ages) like Klut, Atom and Ben used to.
Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005, 7:27pm

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tard tard Gosh, you guys got off topic lol..
Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005, 7:30pm

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It's what we do best. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005, 10:22pm

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*looks for the topic* Oh wait! I think i can see it. Right over there.... See that small speck? That was the original topic.
Posted: Tue, 11th Jan 2005, 12:04am

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Perhaps if he "appropriates" (that's my favourite word for stealing) Star Wars footage George Lucas will give him a -1 and everything will all suddenly become relevant? Or maybe not ...

Maybe I'm a moral abomination but I have to say that if I see a post that has been voilently downrated I absolutely positively WANT to read that post.
Posted: Tue, 11th Jan 2005, 9:59pm

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Hahahaha! Dont we all! hugegrin
Posted: Sun, 16th Jan 2005, 9:57pm

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Negative ratings degrade your credibility in my opinion.
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 12:02am

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atom wrote:

Negative ratings degrade your credibility in my opinion.
That might be true for some, but I think it depends on the person. Mechaforce has -19, Sidewinder has -25, I have -67, but we're all also on the top ten of rated posts, and I don't think any of us have lost any credibility. I'm only using us as examples because we have the most negative ratings in the top post ratings list. However, if you look at some other people who have more negative ratings than positive, I think you're right.

But it's not like the ratings show up on a post, so unless the person reading the post was paranoid and had to check everyone's rating count before listening to what they say, I don't really think it's a problem.
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 12:17am

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...except for Aculag. Good Post. +1 for you.
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 12:26am

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-1 for who?
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 12:37am

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Timmy you haven't even read this whole thread, have you?
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 12:46am

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Yeah, i have. But im tired and not thinking well tonight
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 12:51am

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its only illegal if you get caught
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 12:53am

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Wtf?
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 3:36am

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lol
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 3:58am

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im gonna use hypothetical examples here,
say pooky is a crack dealer, dealing crack is illegal but the illegalness doesnt take effect until hes caught.
il·le·gal Audio pronunciation of "illegal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-lgl)
adj.

1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.

Law prohibits but theres no "law" brought against you until your caught, if you are.
Posted: Mon, 17th Jan 2005, 4:04am

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xbreaka wrote:

im gonna use hypothetical examples here,
say pooky is a crack dealer, dealing crack is illegal but the illegalness doesnt take effect until hes caught.
il·le·gal Audio pronunciation of "illegal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-lgl)
adj.

1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.

Law prohibits but theres no "law" brought against you until your caught, if you are.
But an illegal act is illegal as soon as it occurs. Prosecution is what happens when you get caught.
For an example, Murder is illegal. Which is why Murderers are tracked down by the police.