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Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 2:47am

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NickF

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i searched plugins and they didn't have the star wars sky traffic (looking out from the supreme chancellor's office) in the background and i was wondering if anyone has made or is willing to make some traffic for me.

it doesn't matter if it is loopable and they don't have to be detailed (could just be squares and other shapes like that)

thanks in advance

JMSG
Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 6:48am

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AlamDV is not a 3D program, therefore this could more easily be achived using a 3D program such as 3DS Max, Softimage or Lightwave.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 7:23am

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it doesn't need to be 3d i just want it for some background work to make the place look like there is more than 10 people living there smile

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Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 8:27am

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http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16609

Read through that and you'll see that this is a 3D animation job.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 10:17am

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there is a lot of "you need a 3d APP" for this.. answers happening at the moment.. and granted.. for most of them (Especially those requiring interaction with the scene) this is warranted... but..

Film and Video is a 2D medium... a lot of what people want to achieve can be accompished with fake 3D.. this one for example... Is essentially a moving Matte Painting of a background outside of the window... easily forged for those that have the inclination..

no need for a 3D App high horse moment smile
Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 10:30am

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no need for a 3D App high horse moment
Its not so much that people are trying to pull rank with 3D - trying to belittle or scare the noobs into submission - i think its more than people don't want to work for nothing. They'd rather slap a noob with an abrupt bunch of STFU than have to endure their pestering for the remainder of their fleeting innocence in this community razz

'Nothing' has two meanings here: money and kudos.

In this particular case there are two options open to the person who decides to do all the work for JMSG (which is another matter entirely).

1. Make a 3D version. This would take time, considerable skill and would only really look good if the end result looked like Starwars itself. If the person chose to make it 'just a bunch of squares', as JMSG wanted, it would simply look awful. It might be what JMSG needs, but the creator would probably be embarassed to be associated with it.

2. Make a 2D version. This would take less time, not a great deal less skill as one requires 3d expertise, the other graphical, and would be far, far less impressive to his/her peers. it would also be largely useless in anything else so would effectively be wasted time.

Given that the options are basically "do something amazing" or "create something distinctly mediocre then curl into a ball in the corner and cry yourself to sleep", i think it becomes clear why people choose to climb onto their 3D steeds!
Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 10:53am

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ok, on the "Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones" DVD, Disc 1, Chapter 4 titled 'Chancellor's Meeting' when you can see Palpatine's face out the window there is traffic flying in the background which to me doesn't look 3d cos the shapes are indistinguishable.

just an effect like that.

if its too hard i will STFU and make it myself.



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Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 12:17pm

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I dont think its the fact that its too hard, I think its more likely to be the fact that...

A) this is more of a chromanator backdrop request than an ALAMDV Effect and shouold probably be in that forum..

B) It has limited use, to only star wars fan films and the like

C) rather than a whole plug-in that would constantly loop the same animation over and over again...(and become somewhat noticable and annoying if the shot went on too long) what you want to do is this...

Take some footage of you, standing by your window... or whatever..
Mask out the window, (Alpha Channel, or chromakey, whatever)

Now... take a non motion Matte painting of your background... place that on track one of whatever software you are using to do your compo work in..

now take some pictures of "generic space transport" and add motion to them, travelling left to right, right to left across your matte painting.. This would make the movement more random than a motion backdrop would be.

now take your foreground footage, and composite this in front of your matte and motion "sprites"

If you really want to go the whole hog, you will have to add a glass like effect where the window will be, otherwise it will look more like a balcony than a window... unless this is what you want of course..

I guess if you want transports coming towards you, and going away from you, then yep.. thats 3D.. (rawree, billy, over to you guys) but for parallel motion, this method will be fine...
Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 5:44pm

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If you want I can make a loop of some Star Wars traffic and I'll stick a link to it in the Chromy background section. I'll just do one line of trafic and then you'll be able to layer it how you want.

EDIT:


Something like this maybe? The grey is obviously where you'd put your own BG, it should be more or less loopable. (Used the "Courscant Traffic" from scifi3d.com)
Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2005, 6:47pm

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Good call Rawree... I was going to suggest that there already was some "Traffic" 3d stuff on scifi3d.com, but you beat me to the punch smile the hardest part is already done (and really if you follow the tutorial for this it's not that hard either), create a few ships, build an array of them and viola... smile
Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005, 2:17am

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wow

gj Rawree but i don't have a 3d app but it is exactly what i want tho....

has anyone heard of autodesk inventor 7? because they do 3d stuff and i got that


thanks for the replies and answers

JMSG
Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005, 7:53pm

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You won't need a 3D app. If he uploads it as a background, it will already be rendered, so you just have to composite it in.

I don't know anything about AutoDesk Inventor. Sorry.