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Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 3:04am

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This is a silly question i know but I noticed people use programs from Adobe premier to after effects, 3DSM, hash's animation and lightwave and god knows what.

The questions is as following.

What do YOU use and what do you use it FOR and WHY?

I have trouble picking what to use to enchant my result in different clips for the movie. So if ANYONE could give me and example and tell me what program is good for what, unless I actually can do it all in AlamDV2 which i probably can't!

Thanks
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 3:09am

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Well...AlamDV is a post-production tool used soley for adding special effects to your film.

After Effects is used is post for color correction and alot more...

Adobe Premiere is used for editing

3DSM is a 3D modeling program which is used for just that
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 3:19am

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jstow, you couldn't be more wrong. smile

Alam is used for 2d viual effects at the moment, it will soon be more customizable and variable.

After Effects is used for compositing, digital grading, motion graphics, and the like.

Premiere is for editing, yes.

3ds Max is used for 3d animation, modeling, motion tracking, among other things. Lightwave is the same.

Me: I use Premiere for editing, Cinema 4d for the 3d stuff I listed above, Chromanator for compositing, I will use AlamDv3 for the new stuff that you can check out under "News", Digigrade for digital Grading, Garage band for Music, iDVD for DVD authoring, Icarus for motion Tracking, Photoshop for graphic design, Appleworks for script writing, and Storyboard quick for storyboarding.

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Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 3:21am

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I meant AlamDV 2, seeing as 3 isnt out yet I was refering to current capabilities.
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 3:25am

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jstow222 wrote:

Well...AlamDV is a post-production tool used soley for adding special effects to your film. *** Regardless of wether DV3 is out, it is for adding Visual effects, not special (though I am being very literal in this category, I was mainly telling you out for 3DSM (100% wrong) and AE.

After Effects is used is post for color correction and alot more...*** This is true, but that is not even close to its main and sole defying tool, it is listed as a compositing program

Adobe Premiere is used for editing***the one thing you got 100% correct

3DSM is a 3D modeling program which is used for just that ***Not used for "just that"
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 6:46am

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Vegas Video 3 & 4 for editing/digital grading/audio track composition/compositing. In short, Vegas is a superb program not that different from Adobe Premiere in my opinion, but a fraction of the price.

AlamDV for muzzle flashes . AlamDV does good muzzle flashes. Explosions that need to be added are compsited in Vegas, as Alam explosions aren't always the best.

Virtual Dub for compression. Virtual Dub, free, easy, awesome compressor for your movies. 'Nuff said.

Windows Movie Maker and Pinnacle Studio versions 7, 8, and 9 for additional editing on other computers. Windows Movie Maker is actually the only thing (besides a camera and a script) you need to make a good movie. Nothing fancy, just good, solid editing. Pinnacle Studio is simple and buggy, but the interface is really simple and easy, so if our group wants some REAL quickly done editing, we turn to Pinnacle.

Dazzle Moviestar for capturing (if I have to use my capture card) Don't ever take note of this program, it sucks.

Maya for 3D. This program is expensive and hard to use, and I have never used it for my films, my dad simply owns it. I wouldn't reccomend Maya. It's magnificent, but difficult. Of course Cantaclaro's gonna come on here and slam me for slammin Maya, but what the hey.


Uh...that's what I use. That's about it. Oh...yeah....and, um....BUY VEGAS VIDEO, IT'S SO WORTH IT!
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 8:17am

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ben3308 wrote:

Maya for 3D. This program is expensive and hard to use, and I have never used it for my films, my dad simply owns it. I wouldn't reccomend Maya.
So why did you mention that if you don't use it and don't like it?

I use Final Draft for script writing

Final Cut Pro for editing

AlamDV and After Effects for effects

Illustrator and After Effects for titles

Garage Band for music
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 10:41am

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I use

Adobe Premiere for video editing
After Effects for titling, compositing (masking mainly) & colour grading,
AlamDV 2 for explosions & muzzle flash effects
Chromanator for keying
3ds max for 3d animation
Photoshop for titles & image editing
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 4:05pm

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Wings 3d and Blender for 3d
Alam DV for VFX
iMovie for editing
Garageband for Music
Word for scriptwriting

I WILL use:

Chromanator for compositing and all that good stuff
Digigrade for grading
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 4:06pm

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I use Maya for Modeling/Animation/etc
Combustion for Motion Graphics/Compositing/Morphing
Adobe Premiere for Editing
Adobe Photoshop for Image Editing

I'm in the process of learning Nothing Real's Shake, for compositing and Avid Xpress DV for Editing.
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 5:08pm

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I use:
Editing: Adobe Premiere 6.0, VideoWave
Effects: AlamDV, After Effects
Composing: Chromanator
3D stuff: 3D Studio Max, Blender
Titles & stuff: Photoshop, TitleDeko
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 5:41pm

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I also use Cinema 4d for titles.
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 5:47pm

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Hey

I use (usually because of school...) the following:

3dsmax for modelling and animation
Combustion for compositing
After Effects for compositing and titles
Premier Pro for editing
Final Cut Pro for editing
Flash for web
Dreamweaver for web
Director for interactive cds
Audition for sound editing
Protools for sound editing
Photoshop for graphic design and photo editing
Illustrator for drawing (dont use this as much tho)
InDesign for layout design
DVD studio Pro for dvd authoring
Encore for dvd authoring


I think thats mostly everything that I use

-MAGIC
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 6:18pm

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Okey interesting, Can anyone recommend me what to use?
I'm a total "newb" to any of those programs!

Say I'd have to choose a couple of programs for effect,compositing,editing,sound editing etc.

What would be good for me to start and learn how to use?
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 6:26pm

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What's your budget?
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 8:26pm

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Day-to-Day tools currently in my production pipeline:

Ulead Media Studio Pro
DV Editing, day-to-day text overlays and quick/basic effects & compositing

Ulead DVD Workshop 2
DVD Authoring

Adobe Photoshop
Digital Matte, Digital Photo Processing & Editing

Adobe AE Pro 6.0 Pro
Motion Graphics, 2D Tracking, blue/green screen compositing.

WonderTouch ParticleIllusion
2D (Quick-n-dirty) Particle effects

dvGarage 3dToolkit
Routine CGI modelling / animation and effects.

Bryce / Poser
Misc. Basic 3D (landscapes, illustrations, backgrounds)

RealViz Sticher
Panoramic / 360' photography HDRI Lighting models.

RealViz Image Modeller
Photogrametry (quick modelling & texturing from photos)

RealViz Match Mover Pro
3D camera tracking.

Macromedia Studio MX
Website Authoring

Windows Media Encoder
Video for Web Encoding

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Stuff I'm currently working on learning and integrating into the pipeline...
SoftImage XSI Advanced
Hi-end CGI graphics and 3D effects.

Alias (Kaydara) MotionBuilder
Motion Capture cleanup and character animation

2d3 Boujou Bullet
Automated 3D camera tracking.

Apple Shake
High-end compositing.

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What can I recommend??
This really depends mostly on your interests, projects you hope to take on, skills you'd like to learn, and, of course, your budget.

If you are completely new to all of this it may be best to start out spending as little money as possible to dabble in different areas, learning through online study & practice to discover where you true interests lie.

For editing, Ulead MSP is one of the least expensive DV editors you can get with extensive editing functions as well as some special effects features.
For compositing, I don't think there is any better place to start out that with FXHome's Chromanator. I'm not a customer myself, but from what I have seen here on the site, it is a very powerful tool, very inexpensive, and many of the skills and techniques you can learn with this program are directly transferrable to more advanced applications if you choose to "go pro" someday.
3D-wise, Blender is a great free tool that will help you learn the basics. My experience has been that Cinema4D is the easiest professional-grade CGI application to learn, however the cost is pretty high, even at acedemic pricing.

Also if you're interested on throwing some pretty cool, splashy effects onto your videos, AlamDV is a great, easy and inexpensive option, just understand that the techniques used and learned are not particularly transferable to regular production work should you choose to make this sort of thing something more than a hobby in the future.

Hope this helps.
Have fun. smile
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 9:26pm

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A great program I started out with was screenblast movie studio from sony. It's only 100 and you can get it at your local electronics store. They came out with a new one and it's name is Vegas+DVD and it's 100. IT comes with a pretty good dvd editing program and has pretty good features for editing.
I use

Vegas 5.0-For Editing

Blender-For 3d (yeah I like free stuff)

Pinnacle 9- DVD authoring

Ulead Cool 3d-titles

Alamdv-muzzsle flashes
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 9:43pm

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After Effects 6.0 - Almost everything: compositing, grading, text effects/logos, laser effects, etc.

Premiere Pro - Editing and Capturing

Photoshop - basic logo making or photo retouching

Cinema 4D - 3D effects, though I have yet to learn how to model properly

AlamDV2 - Muzzle flashes and explosions (this'll change when ADV# is out smile)

dvGarage DVmatte Pro - keying

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All are great programs, though honestly I could not live without After Effects though, the whole composition system is just great, and I use it pretty much 70% of the time when making a movie.
Posted: Tue, 18th Jan 2005, 10:43pm

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I agree with Padawannick, start out simple & cheap, then see if you actually want to do this. Because video production can be a challenging thing & sometimes difficult to get your head around.

For a first video editor, I'd suggest EditStudio

www.puremotion.com

This actually has some very advanced features & would be a great introduction to editing (especially since you have the option of a very intuitive help system built into the program). Try the demo.

Add to that AlamDV & Chromanator & you have a nice little software package.

I'd recommend Photoshop though as being a bit of a necessity if you want to create cool looking titles as image files.
Posted: Wed, 19th Jan 2005, 1:03pm

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Well, I got AlamDV2, adobe premier pro 1.5, macromedia flash 5 for that matter, dreamweaver for online stuff, photoshop and paint shop pro 8 and i should be able to lend adobe after effect from a friend.
Should get hold of blender easily too and maybe ill buy Chromantor in the future.
Have bryce 3d and poser somewhere in the house.

YEah i got loads of programs laying around somewhere but never gotten the chance to learn them properly

So if anyone have reading stuff that can help me feel free to give me a link or something.

Do i need something else not mentioned to make a good movie?
Posted: Wed, 19th Jan 2005, 2:02pm

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To "make a good movie", all you really need is a video camera and a way to edit the shots (for you, Premiere) so you already have more than enough tools to "make a good movie".

The most critical tools to "a good movie" are a good story and skills at telling stories using a camera. It's only when you get into wanting to make a "movie with lots of spectacular-realistic-3d-effects-interacting-with-the-real-world-while-the-camera-is-moving" that additional tools come into play. smile

If "making movies" is what you want to do right now, I'd highly recommend that you come up with a couple really short, shoot-it-in-an-afternoon stories and get out there and shoot them. Edit in Premiere. If it helps the impact of the project, throw in some quick effects with AlamDV. The results may not end up being "perfect", but that will have little to do with the effects and more with the shot selection and editing at first. Learn from each project and move on.

Anything else that you through into the mix this early on will become a distraction and you will likely wind up creating little to nothing while trying to learn a pile of tools, which you will find became obsolete along the way, so you pick up some more tools, and the cycle repeats.

Now what are you waiting for? Is your script and shot list ready for this weekend ??? Get on it!
Have fun.
Posted: Wed, 19th Jan 2005, 8:53pm

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I also got ahold of adobe aftereffect.

What program do I use if I want this to work:

Im filming the street on one reel with all the cars driving.
I film another reel with me trying to jump on the cars that are on reel 1.

How do i do that without ACTUALLY doing?

Is it possible to use Chromanator to do that?
Say I use the first reel with the cars as "background" and the second one as foreground. That is if it can take two rolling scenes into one?
Posted: Wed, 19th Jan 2005, 9:10pm

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In either Chromanator or After Effects, you'd mask the layer you are jumping in, to reveal the second layer with the cars driving past. That's the best suggestion I can make without actually seeing the footage.
Posted: Wed, 19th Jan 2005, 10:10pm

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Hi guys,

I use

AlamDV - Special Effects

Chromanator - Blue/Green screening

particleIllusion - particle effects

Cinema 4D - 3D modeling and effects

Terragen - 3D Landscapes

Ulead Video Studio - Editing and Capturing

I love all of these programs, and i'm starting to learn Cinema 4D, so that i have more uses for it, lol.
Posted: Wed, 19th Jan 2005, 10:28pm

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There is a few things seem to come up regularly in this list..

After Effects,
Premiere,
Photoshop
Particle Illusion.

There has been a few MAYA and 3dS Max owners around here

Even a couple of Combustion users..

Thats a hell of a budget on software to make movies with..Where do you guys get all the money from... wink

and.. if you are can sacrifice technology for art.. can you please, please, please divert some of your budget onto costumes and props for your next film please..

(with honoroable exceptions to those professionals that post here.. PadawanNick etc..)
Posted: Wed, 19th Jan 2005, 10:39pm

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Thats a hell of a budget on software to make movies with..Where do you guys get all the money from...
Heh, I wonder too. I personally just saved up through work for most of my software, although I did buy After Effects with money my grandmother gave me for uni.

I totally agree. Having all the tools doesn't guarantee anything at the end of the day.
Posted: Thu, 20th Jan 2005, 4:10am

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heres my current and updated pipeline

premiere pro and vegas 5-editing and compositing

sound forge-audio

acid 4.0pro-loops and whatnot

alamdv-still the best muzzleflash/lightsword thing iv found

softimage xsi advanced-advanced stuff, im hoping to make it my compositor by using the built in fxtree thing, if that dont work chromonator here i come

Softimage behavior(came with advanced)-100,000 person+ crowd simulator

dvd architect-dvds

Items in a sort of hiatus status in the pipeline-
maya 6
WMM
Posted: Thu, 20th Jan 2005, 4:20am

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Thats a hell of a budget on software to make movies with..Where do you guys get all the money from...

Heh, I wonder too. I personally just saved up through work for most of my software, although I did buy After Effects with money my grandmother gave me for uni.

I totally agree. Having all the tools doesn't guarantee anything at the end of the day.
Absolutely true !!

It's that very concept behind the recommendation to stick with only one or two programs that you really "need" to start. Master those before moving on. Seriously, even most of the professional work you see on TV in the movies is done with a just a few programs. Check out the work of Dylan Cole or Eric Chauvin and think about the fact that the vast majority of what they did for shows like Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Alias, Lost, etc. was done with just PHOTOSHOP!

Honestly, I've got piles of additional programs that never gets used. I just haven't bothered with them or had the time to learn them. Other than the "learning" category, only the tools I'm comfortable with and have used for jobs made it to the list.

Of that list, I started out in 2001 owning only Media Studio Pro (came free with my firewire card purchase) and Bryce (v4 cost me $300 at the time !!! UGH) I got really really good with those tools though, and built something of a power-user reputation for using them. Once that happens, new opportunties began to present themselves, opening up access to the remaining software.

A couple of the remaining programs were purchased to meet the needs of specific freelance gigs, each of which made a profit even after buying the software.

Most of the rest, though, I have access to as part of my PixelCorps membership. Paying just a few hundred dollars for the PXC membership opened the door to a pile of really expensive software (usually $10,000-$20,000 worth at any given time) along with training on how to use it. A lot of times there are chances to buy full copies of software for just a couple hundred (vs the >$1000 regular prices) and I've done that for a few programs that I really depend on, but mostly I've used proceeds from the various freelance gigs to pickup new hardware like a GL2 and a 20D.

Anyway, long story short, don't worry about starting out getting all kinds of tools for all kinds of tasks. The most expensive program in the world is usless if you don't know how to use it, and worse than useless if trying to figure it out takes time away from creating a finished project.

Start out with the one or two fundamental tools you need to get a project done. Work with those SO much, that they become as natural as playing your favorite video game. Learn the cheatcodes (keyboard shortcuts and "secret features") of the programs because they make your work faster and more fun. Just because some newer or fancy-er program is out there, doesn't mean you should take the time to drop what you're doing. About the only time you should start adding new programs to you toolbox is when your existing tools become an obsticle to accomplishing your goals.

Along the way, don't forget to publicly (via forums like this) teach and help others with your skills. You never know who may be watching with opportunities for you. smile

Have fun.
Posted: Thu, 20th Jan 2005, 5:01am

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My list:
Pinnacle Liquid- Yeah, don't buy it! It's ok, but rendering.........AAAAHHHH!!!
Windows Movie Maker-My secondary editing for when Pinnacle screws up
Vegas 4- My last editing resort.........Ben
AlamDV2- 2d Visual effects
Terragen- Basic landscape/3d modeling
Maya- If I could figure it out, complex 3d modeling/animating
DVDPro- DVD authoring

Has everyone like, I dunno..........filmed a bunch of Bar Mitzvahs, or something? Where do yo uguys get all the money? Ben and I mooch, but seriously.
Posted: Thu, 20th Jan 2005, 5:21am

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Atom didn't say this, but we both took a page out of rebel without a crew and did about 12 asthma studies each, which gave us enough cash to buy a photoflex light, some good software, and a fluid head tripod with a varizoom controller. Had I known about great cameras like the XL1s 2 years ago back when I did the studies I would've purchased one immediately. But now all my money's blown and I haven't the camera I desire.

But seriously, do clinical studies, they'll boost your revenue for your films. I got 1000 bucks for testing Advair and Singulair. Try it. It pays.
Posted: Fri, 21st Jan 2005, 12:17pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

In either Chromanator or After Effects, you'd mask the layer you are jumping in, to reveal the second layer with the cars driving past. That's the best suggestion I can make without actually seeing the footage.
Ill try it out when time comes, for now ill take the hint and learn some basic programs first.

Which makes me think what i should start learning first?
Anyone know what would be a good thing to learn?
Actually let me tell you what im doing so far.

I dropped the goal to make a movie right?
So far im interested in learning how to place the effect PERFECTLY, make some of those demon kit accessories blend in perfectly to my skin for instance. And the thing with having another background then I really have (moveable background as a movie) and figure out what tracking is razz
Posted: Sat, 22nd Jan 2005, 12:07am

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Sorry to come in so late... I use

Vegas 5 for my NLE
DVD Architect for DVD Stuff
After Effects, Chromanator, and AlamDV for special effects & compositing
Acid 5 for most music creation, and Absynth for some
Lightwave 8 for 3D
Photoimpact 10 for any still graphics

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I use Vegas 5 for editing
AlamDV2 for FX
Bryce 5 for 3d (soon will be upgrading to Maya through Academic Superstore)
and After Effects for Compositing & Titling