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Video game horror action scripts and 3 million dollars

Posted: Mon, 24th Jan 2005, 11:27pm

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Hello everyone,
My name is Michael Cooper(16) and my partner(19) and I made a short film over the summer. We thought nothing of it, however we have been accepted into many film fests and we have gotten a letter from Cannes among others. Well down to the point, I had a small meeting with a producer a few days ago and I was told to write a action, horror and video game script. The only problem is it is low budget... 3 milliion dollars. What are some good ideas?


THANKS
Posted: Mon, 24th Jan 2005, 11:38pm

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if thats low budget, then i wish i could make low budget films biggrin
Posted: Mon, 24th Jan 2005, 11:41pm

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I doubt you'll get much ideas here just like that. Personally, if I gave you ideas I'd want credit.
Posted: Mon, 24th Jan 2005, 11:42pm

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This is totally true, because video games producers allways tell people who have no original ideas that they can make $3 million games, all the time.

Just last week I was asking a forum for ideas on what to put in MY game, unluckily that was only for $1.5 million!

I find this very, very hard to believe.
Posted: Mon, 24th Jan 2005, 11:51pm

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they have you 3 million to write something herm,
well is there any concept designs or other people you can consult cus very rarely they will just say write horror and hand you 3 million dollars.

I'm gonna call shenanigans on this.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:03am

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I've no idea where to begin in dissecting this stunningly ridiculous post.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:05am

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no guys im talking about I'm writing a scripted for a movie based on a video game already its half done im not trying to steal ideas im just curious to see what video game you would make into a movie. The producer I know said he could get 3 mill to make the movie not give to me. 3 mill to produce the entire movie. normal hollywood is is like 60 mill. Of course the film will be low budget. I was just curious to what games you like and would like to turn into a movie.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:07am

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If we are to believe that you got a letter from Cannes about your film, we're going to need to see it. The film, not the letter. Although, the letter would help.

If you say "Oh well the film is not online", or "Oh well, my scanner is broken so I can't show the letter", there is no way you are telling the truth.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:12am

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I think the other problem people may be having (subconciously) with this is that.. you are a gold user, own a copy of ALAM DV, have been registered on this forum for 2 years.. claim to have been entered into several film festivals and now have a $million dollar deal...

but yet, strangely have nothing in the cinema here.. can I download any of your work from iFilm or Triggerstreet to see its quality before giving you any ideas for a $million movie without any credit..

I could be being hypocritical.. as I've been here a while, and have nothing in the cinema.. but I dont claim to have been offered a deal yet !
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:13am

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the game should have ghosts. those are spooky
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:14am

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You should check out "Flesh for the Beast".
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:19am

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I'm also a bit skeptical about all of this.

First of all, is there a trailer we can see somewhere? A scene, snapshot, script, or treatment?

Also, I'd like to know some specifics. What kind of camera did you use? How long did it take you to film and edit it? How much did you make it for? How many actors were there? And, what is the title of your film so the public can look it up or watch for it in festival listings?

Also, in your first post it's hard to tell if your asking for a videogame script or a movie script based on a videogame. Then in your second post, you say you're halfway done with the script. If that's the case then why would you be interested in our ideas, especially when you give us no details on the plot for us to expand on?

I highly doubt your stature, largely due to your lack of details. Answer these questions, and I'll start to believe you... Somewhat.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:29am

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http://www.nyfilmvideo.com/2005/la2005/undertheinfluence/

check it out thats my film.

more will be on the way. due to festivals rules im am prohibited to show the film anywere online i guess you guys will have to go to the festivals or wait till there done

And forget about the 3 mill if you dont believe me you dont have to its still true. All i want to know is what video games do you guys like and would like to make into a movie.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 12:49am

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I believe you now.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 1:26am

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half-life 2 make that into a movie!
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 1:37am

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i think metal gear solid would be pretty cool biggrin
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 1:40am

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Silent Hill 2. One of my all time favorites.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 1:44am

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How about Super Mario? biggrin wink
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 1:54am

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Already been done.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 1:56am

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No way!?!1!

That movie was the coolest... when I was like 5.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 1:58am

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Twisted Studio's Silent Hill movie was going to "rock". One of the cooler things on the second disc of the TS DVD. That pyramid head costume still gives me the willies
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 1:59am

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Hehe I forgot about that. I need to see that movie. (Super Mario)
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 2:00am

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Waser wrote:

Twisted Studio's Silent Hill movie was going to "rock". One of the cooler things on the second disc of the TS DVD. That pyramid head costume still gives me the willies
Oh man, pyramid head was awsome. Did the film ever get made?
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 2:02am

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according to the Twisted Studios Booklet of Fun, the movie "never made it past the trailer stage", but oh boy, was it a cool trailer. About messed myself when I saw it the first time
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 2:11am

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Is there a way I can see the trailer, becasue I have often thought of making a Silent Hill film myself, I have access to an abandoned town.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 2:21am

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I really need to buy their DVD. I've heard so much about it.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 2:23am

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Is there any way we can actually WATCH this movie, instead of just look at this page?

If it's so good, I'd like to see it.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 3:17am

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mikec10305 wrote:

no guys im talking about I'm writing a scripted for a movie based on a video game already its half done im not trying to steal ideas im just curious to see what video game you would make into a movie. The producer I know said he could get 3 mill to make the movie not give to me. 3 mill to produce the entire movie. normal hollywood is is like 60 mill. Of course the film will be low budget. I was just curious to what games you like and would like to turn into a movie.
Seeing how deficient is your grammar, I am surprised your producer friend lets you near a keyboard to write a script.

That being said, he must not be too smart either since you can't just pick a videogame at random and write a script around it. They are intellectual properties. You have to buy the rights to a video game to adapt it. Your 3 millions will not go very far after that if you pick a top ten videogame ("I was just curious to what games you like and would like to turn into a movie.")

Then again, if producers pick 16 years old to write videogame movies, that may explain why they suck so much...

Just a thought. In any case, good for you. Make the best of it (or lack thereof)

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Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 3:18am

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Clive Barkers Undying. Awesome game.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 3:19am

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Xcession wrote:

I've no idea where to begin in dissecting this stunningly ridiculous post.
I too. Am dumbstruck.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 3:59am

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If I'm not wrong, "Under the Influence" was 3 minutes long, and filmed by two cousins on a cheap camera, yeah?

I find it very hard to believe that from a 3-min short, a producer with any sense would commision a script for 'a videogame' (which is currently unspecified)...

Besides which, if your original question was "I'm currently making a film based on a videogame - what videogames would you turn into a movie?", why didn't you just ask that rather than appearing to ask for ideas?
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 9:36am

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jstow222 wrote:

Silent Hill 2. One of my all time favorites.
I'd like to see a silent hill movie too, but ultimately I am SICK AND GOD DAMN TIRED of videogame movies that's let's face it:

have ALL sucked total, total balls.

There's a Doom Movie and a Dungeon Siege movie down the road, and they'll both totally suck. Directors seem incapable of playing a game and analysing it's already existing content and instead go off and make something that is an outright offense which totally disregards previous story.

The resident evil storyline (game) is brilliant, and they totally messed that up. The Doom movie isn't set on mars and doesn't involve demons. I mean what the hell is going on here? Next thing they'll be making a monkey island movie that isn't set around pirates or islands and Guybrush will be played by the Rock.

Surely not using the existing storyine and paying a homage to the game just pisses off the main audience the films are for, the gamers.

So... you better hope you're lying about getting a game movie contract. Because if you're not I will personally hunt you down and kill you, your family and your pets if you jump on the "make money fast" band wagon.

Movies of games are like games of movies. Poor.

If you are going to be paid to write a horror movie script, then I suggest you start earning your money by going out and doing research instead of asking people on internet forums. If you don't write about something you yourself are enthusiastic about then well... don't write at all.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 10:50am

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I once was offered 3 billion dollars to do the opposite. I had to adapt the hit cartoon Ren and Stimpy into a wicked SNES title. How'd I do?

Also, again I was once offered to make a hit video game into a movie. Some schmuck made the first one, but I knew I could do better. So, for 60 million dollars I made the sequel to the original Mortal Kombat movie. How'd I do? I do believe that piece was my finest work.

But seriously, if I had a choice of which game hollywood would ruin next, it would have to say Legend of Zelda. It could have a Lord of the Rings feel to it, only they could get mini-me (vern troyer?) to play Link, copmlete with hyper green tights and a huge cod piece. That movie would clean up brother. Even better if they have Mel Brooks direct it.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 4:20pm

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Mike is probably telling the truth, tohugh I doubt he'll get 3 million dollars. I myself got hired for something (much smaller budget..heh) and was told that the funds couldn't come through and that the project would be put on hold for 18 months.

And to substantiate Mike's claims:

NYFilm Fest site wrote:

Unforeseen potential
Even with an inexpensive camera and editing on a home computer the short film was officially selected into the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival (www.nyfilmvideo.com). "When we first had the Idea for the short film we had no plans on entering it into any festivals. We just thought it was a cool idea to make into a short film." says Frank Licata co-director of "Under the Influence". "If we knew how big it was going to be we would have entered it into a more festivals" says Michael Cooper co-director. The short will show in Los Angeles and New York. The two will attend the New York Premiere. Also attending are representatives from Miramax, William Morris, MGM Fox Searchlight, Sony Pictures, LionsGate, New Line, Paramount and MTV. They hope to further their contacts in the film industry. They are currently still living on Staten Island were they continue to write scripts and plan their next short film. They hope to start filming in the summer of 2005.
Okay, I believe what he says is true because of the quote overhead. AND...

NYFilm Fest site wrote:

CONTACTS
Frank Licata 347-267-8263
Michael Cooper 718-979-3650
E-mail: MikeC10305@yahoo.com
...his contact info matches his FXHome screen name. Coincedence? I tihnk not.

Why are there so many skeptics? (Besides the fact that there is an awe-inspiring amount of money involved) Why can't be happy for our fellow FXHomer. I'm happy for him. Honestly, why would someone come onto this site and say they got a 3 million dollar deal if they didn't? How would that help anyone? Shame on him if he's lying, but other than that...congrats. wink
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That is great, man. I think it is natural for people to be skeptical when
people have what they are looking to get, as there are alot of people who will lie. Definitly the previous post is shedding credibility to his story. I say good job, you've done what most in this community are aspiring to do, make a film that get's them a job later.

congrats.
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Ben, I think we all pretty much started to believe him once he showed that link.

I would still like to see the film though, as I want to know what quality filmmaking deserves film festivals and 3 million dollar deals.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 4:50pm

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What, no Ren and Stimpy fans here?
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 5:47pm

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Being in a film festival does not equate to greatness, guys.

Winning one does. Sometimes.

I put a lot of effort into that pyramid head costume, I'll have you know.

Oh, and a Silent Hill movie is in pre-production. The writers have essentially secluded themselves to an apartment in Italy (I think) and are writing the script while constantly listening to the SH2 soundtrack.
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Ben wrote:

Why are there so many skeptics?
Because in my experience, people are not offered 3 million dollar deals because of a short movie that got accepted to a film festival; and nor do producers comission people who appear to little grasp of grammar, punctuation or spelling to write scripts for projects costing that much money.

Just because he's been accepted to a film festival, it doesn't mean that he's telling the truth (on a claim that seems lavish and wildly unbelievable) - I've had my work shown at an international film festival, not one as prestigious as the NY film fest admitedly, but providing a link to the film festival really doesn't substantiate his claim that he's working on a 3 mil. contract for a video game movie script. Or was it a movie video game?

And the way he phrased the question was as if he was asking for ideas, which is blantantly ludicrous (people don't get commisioned to write scripts with no ideas, and people who have to ask on internet forums for ideas even less so). He said "The only problem is it is low budget... 3 milliion dollars. What are some good ideas? " How does that NOT look like a request for ideas to solve his 'problem' of a 'low budget'?

As I say, I find it hard to believe, and remain unconvinced.

Arktic.
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Z28Jerry wrote:

I once was offered 3 billion dollars to do the opposite
Do you mean million?
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mgw wrote:

Z28Jerry wrote:

I once was offered 3 billion dollars to do the opposite
Do you mean million?
I think he was being sarcastic.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 7:01pm

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You sit back and critisize me but I ask you what have you done? How many festivals have you been to? I don't mean your home town film fest in someones basement. You dont make films, you make action sequeces that are actually very cheap looking. You hang out in your backyard with your buddies and make action movies and you critsize me? Maybe you should sit back and think what have you done? Have people liked your work? When I say that I mean other then on here, this is your own little world and you pat each other on the back fo every little thing and thats not the real world or the real film industry. Apparently people have liked my work. I just got a review back from Joblo.com and he loved it. What contacts do you have? All I ask you to do is sit back and think of what you have done before your critsize me. You are all being spteful and FYI I dont use ALAM DV anymore I bought it as an experiment, in fact it's not even on my computer anymore. No one i the industry gives a rats a$$ about ALAM DV or SFX they want good story and good writing and apparently they think I have it. So sit back and think what you have done b4 u question me.Maybe you cant't face it that someone has stepped beyond their backyard at a young age there is a whole world out there in film that some will never know. THANKS
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Toddle off then.
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I am sorry in advance who my previous statement does not apply to. Thanks guys... The rest I cannot say so much for.
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And for some reason or other Xcession seems to argue so..... Xcession what have you done?? May I see it and if not can you show me some kind of proof of crediblity. I can tell you right off the bat one other thing that is going for me I am getting websites to review my short such as the noteable Joblo.com.


"Says so much with so little"
-JoBlo.com

Among other things that they have said. More to come.
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If joblo's seen your work, why can't we?

If you'd taken the time to participate in this community then maybe you wouldn't have such a misconceived view. You're reacting very negatively to comments that are very reasonable, & please understand that anyone would be sceptical about you.
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I've done absolutely nothing! However, whether i've done my own films is utterly irrelevant to whether or not i'm allowed to doubt your claims, which i do.

Please - show us your reviews, show us your films. Show us anything that backs up one character of anything you've typed in this thread. That isn't a challenge, its a request. If your ability can be qualified with examples i suspect there would be far more people willing to listen.

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I apologize for my previous statement but for some it holds true. As for the reason is festival rules prohibit the viewing of this film online. Joblo.com is considered media and that is allowed. If you dont believe me go to the CANNES webpage and see for yourself. I would love to show you and I will at a later date. I also searched for films by Xcession on this site and I see none you are a skeptic and are wonderful at critsizing me.
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If you want to talk about the "real" film industry (I never fully understand what people mean by this then answer a few questions:

1) Do you think that writers/directors etc go off and get other people to give them their ideas or do they come up with them on their own?

2) If we're a hugely uncreative bunch who never get further that our back yards then why did you come here (into our own world completely unconnected to the "real industry) and ask for ideas and suggestions?

3) Why are you getting so agressive? This could so easily be put to rest if you showed people the movie (several have asked but you havn't said anything about it) or offered some proof to people. You obviously came here for a reason, either to get ideas or to brag about your oppertunity or whatever so you can't say that you don't care if people here believe you or not because you obviously do.

If that's the kind of attitude you're going to take then I agree with Xcession.
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I have I am thinking of what else I can send you. Any suggestions?
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Yes well done, as i just admitted...i've done absolutely nothing. But it doesn't bear any relevance on my opinion that you aren't being truthful.

I am a sceptic. (I am pretty wonderful too.) I am sceptical that your claims are true. What you say about me is entirely correct but baffles me...i said as much myself. I'm confused where you're going with this.

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Storyboards? Trailers? A brief plot summary? The script?
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The answer to all three of your questions is simple.... I was just looking for conversation.... I have plenty of ideas on my own I don't want to take yours. This also doesnt mean I will be working on a video game film next either, I will weigh my options and maybe ill write something like a comedy or a thriller.
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The synopsis is on the website that I posted for the NYIFVF as well as a poster and pics will be up soon on that site. All the info is there I don't understand why people like Xcession are so skeptical still. You should just face the facts that are there.
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Actually, legally you can show up to seven seconds of any work without copyright infrigement.

Come on mikec. Until you show us some sort of work or examples - direct links. Come on.
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there is no direct link because the film is not online. Plus what I don't understand, you see the film on there. What is sooooo hard to believe?
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The reason people are Skeptical is because, realistically speaking, what kind of person would put $3 Million worth of movie into the hands of a couple of teenagers I certainly wouldn't trust myself with that kind of money (I'm 16).


First of all, is there a trailer we can see somewhere? A scene, snapshot, script, or treatment?

Also, I'd like to know some specifics. What kind of camera did you use? How long did it take you to film and edit it? How much did you make it for? How many actors were there? And, what is the title of your film so the public can look it up or watch for it in festival listings?
Maybe you could have a look at this.
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mikec10305 wrote:

there is no direct link because the film is not online. Plus what I don't understand, you see the film on there. What is sooooo hard to believe?
That'd be the 3 million dollars.
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Oh my god, I love threads like this!

MikeC, you have made a very large error on your part by boasting so heavily about something that as far as we know, you cannot back up even in the slightest. Well, other than showing us a website from a small New York film fest. I have no doubt that that page is talking about you, but what I do have doubts about is your apparent talent.

Having the words "Official Selection" on your movie only means that it got accepted, am I wrong? I went to the Austin Film Festival last year, and there are some AWFUL short films that get accepted to these things. I myself have been wanting to get something into the festival circuit, but I haven't made anything that I personally find to be high enough quality yet.

I'm sorry, but I feel (and I know many others here feel the same) that if someone is boasting such talent, then they ought to be able to back it up, and I honestly will NOT believe them until I see that they can do the things they say they can do. Simply telling us that your film has been ACCEPTED to a film festival is no big deal. That's like a tennis player saying "I'm going to be playing at Wimbeldon." They may be playing, but that doesn't mean they're going to make it past the first round. Know what I mean?

Show us your movie, please, and please don't say things like

mikec10305 wrote:

How many festivals have you been to? I don't mean your home town film fest in someones basement. You dont make films, you make action sequeces that are actually very cheap looking. You hang out in your backyard with your buddies and make action movies and you critsize me?
And then not have the goods to back yourself up. All you end up doing that way is making people angry, and making yourself sound like a stuck up prick.
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Hey


Mike, you keep saying "what have you done?? wheres your work?" etc etc etc.. "who are you to critisize me" blah blah blah
Ever heard of Movie Critics? If one of them said something bad about something you did would you say "who are you to say that? what have you done?"

Most movie critics DONT make feature films etc - they HAVNT made crazy movies etc .. yet their JOB is to say if something is good or not!
If Xcession has not made anything that has been recognized... or made ANYTHTING at all... that does not make his thoughts and opinions wrong. Im not saying he is a movie critic - or that it is his job - im just saying that just because someone hasn't produced anything (that you know of) doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about.

But coming onto an online forum and saying "im getting 3 million to do something with a video game movie" or something like that and asking for ideas is really sketchy and people are not in the wrong for being skeptical.

-MAGIC
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OK, I understand why everyone is so skeptical now and I am sorry for my previous outlashes, they were wrong. But I dont think that film websites would be writing about my film or talking the time out to look at it if they didnt think it was exceptional. I understand as well that anyone can get accepted to a film festival but not everyone can stand out. Why cant you just face that maybe I and my partner are talented and maybe our film did stick out. All it takes is for one person to see it. You must also remember that I am not the only one involved my cousin is 19.
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Wow, okay well critics are critics arent you filmmakers? This isnt a critic website it is for filmmaking. Tell me if Im wrong but this is the FILMMAKERS FORUM??? If your not a FILMMAKER then why are you on the FILMMAKERS FORUM? Secondly how can you critique work you havent seen? Plus it doesnt matter for nothing what you think it matters what the producers think. I have shown you proof what more do u want? Finnaly, it is not a lock for a video game movie that is what is popular with producers right now. I can write what I want. So get thet out of your head.
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Why cant you just face that maybe I and my partner are talented and maybe our film did stick out.
Since this thread has been so much about technicalities, i see no harm in picking up on this one:-

I can face that maybe you and your partners are talented. I can also face that maybe the sun orbits the earth, or that time travel is possible etc etc, but to accept these 'maybes' is nothing more than accepting the statistical likelyhood of something being truthful. Anyone with an open mind can accept possibilities.

My point, our point and the issue which is critical here is that I am yet to agree that you and your partner are talented. The only way i could agree would be if i saw proof of this talent, so until that point everyone is going to be understandibly sceptical of what you are boasting.

Until people have proof of a supposed truth, no one is likely to believe that truth based on blind faith.

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It's not that we can't "face up to" what you're claiming is true.

It's just that we don't believe everything that some kid says when he comes on here bragging.

You ask:
You sit back and critisize me but I ask you what have you done? How many festivals have you been to? I don't mean your home town film fest in someones basement.
I got entered into an international film festival held in Greater Manchester here in the UK, and had my film screened infront of TV and Film executives (not in "someone's basement" - also, note the possessive apostraphe, you ARE going to have to learn better grammar if you're writing $3 million scripts you know).

But what evidence does that provide to a claim that I make about being comissioned to write a $3 million script? Sod all, that's what.

Why don't you just grow up, and either PROVE you're doing what you claim to be doing, or go away?

Arktic.
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From the start I never asked you to believe me but everyone started a rant. I know that I am talented and so do many other "important people" I would like you to believe me but I guess that is impossible.
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mikec10305 wrote:

Secondly how can you critique work you havent seen?
That's the whole point, we havn't seen anything because you refuse to show anything more than Film Fest sites.


I have shown you proof what more do u want?
Me and Marek have both given suggestions of what you could show us, something to do with the movie, go back a page and read my posts.
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first of all I am not writing an english essay I dont give a damn about grammar on some web forum. Secondly, what more do you want to see... the film? What will that prove. Also the american film market is apparenty more popular then the UK market and what did you show there? Was it an SFX show or a Sci fi movie? They dont want to see they that want origionality. The reason that I was noticed is that my film stood out from the start people went out of their way to help me because they thought it was exceptional.
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Umm, I haven't been following this post too much, just glancing through it, and I have to ask, What's The Big Deal?

$3 million for a film? That's BARELY enough to make one. Shooting a film and developing and cutting will run you at least half of a million alone. Add in catering, location costs and the like, Director/Producer/Writer/Talent fees and such, you've barely got enough left over for everything else.

Cost wise, an Independent Low Budget film is 10 million or under. I can totally agree that some producer/produciton company somewhere, wants to get in on the video game boom, what with Residen Evil doing well, and Doom, Alone In The Dark, Spy Hunter, Metroid, and Blood Rayne on the way. Maybe he/she liked the style these guys had and they're both young and still up with the whole videogame culture as well. Perfect pickings for some producer. I can see it totally concievable that something like this could happen. It's certianly not unheard of.

And even if you don't believe, the post wasn't asking for you to believe him and bow down before him, it was asking for suggestions or ideas.

Arn't we here to help out?
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THANK YOU!
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mikec10305 wrote:

first of all I am not writing an english essay I dont give a damn about grammar on some web forum. Secondly, what more do you want to see... the film? What will that prove. Also the american film market is apparenty more popular then the UK market and what did you show there? Was it an SFX show or a Sci fi movie? They dont want to see they that want origionality. The reason that I was noticed is that my film stood out from the start people went out of their way to help me because they thought it was exceptional.
Right then, you're attitude is really beginning to annoy me and I'm sure a few others as well. Number 1, drop this superior attitude you have going on. So far you're acting like nobody ever gets past messing around in their back garden. Next when you're proved wrong and Arktic says he's entered one you assume that his wasn't as good as yours because surely from the overcritical, uncreative, never going anywhere FXhome members it couldn't possibly be anything other that a plotless scifi action short whilst your "exceptional" "outstanding" piece of work was soulful and touched millions and will go down in cinema history (not shy of blowing your own trumpet are you).

It's not whether you did or did not get this oppertunity, it's the high and mighty " I'm better than you peasants" attitude you seem to have. Just accept that you are not the only talented person in the world and stop making stupid assumptions and ridiculous statements. Show us any of the things we have suggested as proof and we will leave you alone about it. As it stands you are looking like a bit of a tosser.
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And even if you don't believe, the post wasn't asking for you to believe him and bow down before him, it was asking for suggestions or ideas.

Arn't we here to help out?
We are here to help and no he didn't explicitly request us to grovel, but the original post's style was what caught most people's attention, i should think.

The details about how successful he was seemed curiously inflated and rather boastful, given that the information he was after could have been requested without ANY of that information. Modesty is a virtue. Coupled with that, was the fact that despite the apparent success, he still appeared to be incapable of coming up with his own ideas, which simply didn't add up. Everyone was curious and sceptical from the start.

His defensive and amusingly hypocritical "i' know i'm good but what are you?!1" stance did nothing to help his side

I think that is what people are attempting to express.
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VisualFXGuy - Point taken, but when someone comes along boasting about their project, it just stinks of arrogance. Then when questioned over it, and they fail to provide a single shred of evidence, it stinks of lies.

No offence to the guy, but why the hell did he feel the motivation to bring up the cost involved (and has mentioned on more than one occasion this wonderfull letter he recieved from Cannes)? Why on earth was he asking for ideas on what to put in his script if he expects us to believe he's been asked to write the script for a (comparatively) large project?

mikec10305 wrote:

Also the american film market is apparenty more popular then the UK market and what did you show there? Was it an SFX show or a Sci fi movie? They dont want to see they that want origionality.
It was neither. I could tell you fact X or fact Y about why my video was good - but I don't feel particularly compelled to justify myself to you, especially as I've not made claims about my ability as a filmmaker, or otherwise.
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Rawree, you asked "Do you think that writers/directors etc go off and get other people to give them their ideas or do they come up with them on their own?"

I'd reply with yes. They steal or "borrow" and take ideas wherever they see them.

Have you SEEN Star Wars? That movie was a royal rip off of material from start to end. Have you ever read Foundation by Issac Asimov? (P.S: I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but facts are facts.)

Star Trek? The original series got at least 80% of it's material from Robert A. Heinlien books.

The Matrix? Dr. Who created the computer generated world called the Matrix that was indistinguisable from real life loooong before 1999.

Hollywood has stagnated. Look at all the comics/book/video games/tv series/movie remakes we're getting.

So what's wrong with somone coming in here and asking for any other ideas. I'm pretty sure script writers bounce ideas back and forth as well as just sit down and read a good book and wait for something to "inspire" them. So, the guys who seem to be only 19, are asking for ideas. Is there something offensive in that? Why are some people in this community so hostile?

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VisualFXGuy: you seem to be going off on a tangent from where the conversation was when you joined in.

Everyone elses beef appears to be with Mike's attitude. You seem to be picking up on facts that are no longer of interests. You're right - $3 mil is peanuts in the big scheme of things, but thats still three million times the budget of most of the rest of this community. Boasting about this budget is what people are currently complaining about, i suspect, not the budget itself.

Similarly with 'borrowing' ideas - whether or not its done on an industrial scale is irrelevant in the discussion of whether or not we've taken offense at what people perceive to be Mike's arrogance. They have taken offense, quite evidentally. Whether or not borrowing is common-place is totally besides the point.
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His post wasn't boasting in my opinion, but i've got an accepting attitude. lol. I tend not to doubt too much. Granted, the money didn't need to be mentioned, but maybe he was excited, I know if i was into filmmaking and that happened i'd be damn sure to tell everyone what kind of deal just happened to me.

You can be sure if I ever get picked up by an fx house, i'll be on these boards posting as to what just happened to me, and i' m so happy kind of thing. smile

I didn't think he was doing one of those Holier then Thou bits, but from what i've seen on these boards, some posters really get defensive with things like that occur.

Now, i've jsut glanced and haven't read through all the posts, so i don't know what was said back and forth, but i'm assuming it was probably one side getting defensive, and then the other takeing insult and responding back the same way. A downward spiral.

How bout we jsut post ideas to this guy and let him do what he wants with it. If you believe him, great. If not, no skin off your back.

"Why can't we all just get along?"
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Amen
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I may tangent, i do that alot, but i'm responding to the few posts i've read througout this thread. (true, they may have been posted a few hours ago but they're still valid) the borrowing ideas thing was my response to a post Rawree said so i don't think that's too off topic, since it did occur in this thread.
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Rating: +3

Maybe he says the truth, maybe he isn't. Personally, I don't really care.
If you get 3 mil for your next film, then congratulations! If you're lying, then... well... maybe I know a good shrink. smile


Having had experience with that kind of sums too I'd give you the advice of being SCEPTICAL yourself, mikec.
Not long ago, a producer offered us 2 millions for a production and we went fully into it. We're yet to see one single dime of that. People talk a lot in the industry. Both "important people" as well as "others" (wherever the difference might be). Who knows. Maybe your producer isn't lying, good for you.


For your admittedly arrogant and absolutely uncalled for "you're nothing and I'm everything" post you don't have to be surprised that people will not speak of you as a nice person. Allthough I can understand where it was coming from since you have been doubted from the beginning.


Personally I wish you good luck with your film, both the one you've submitted to the one you might make! I hope you have no hard feelings against this place. The community really is fantastic. Try to understand as well why it is hard to believe you.

So on a side note, I think everyone should try to calm down. We're a mature community! wink
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well said
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I never mentioned money to boast about anything. I mentioned it so you knew what I could work with. And I wasnt trying to steal ideas I was again just looking for a convo. I also am sorry if any of you sense an attitude I apologize.
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I'd also like to apologise for any hostile comments I may have made that anyone was offended by.

Good luck Mike.
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THANKS ALL. As soon as I am able to show the film I will.



GOOD LUCK AS WELL
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Not to be offensive or anything, but you must not have much communication skills. Your posts are flawed (and a few others' aswell) and for that, saying grammar on an internet forum is pointless means a lot. First impressions are everything, even by the way you type your sentences. And from the looks of your first impression on me (seeing as how this is the first post I've seen by you), you strike me as an idiot.

To give you an idea of how first impressions on the internet are important, back in 2000 I was creating a machinima short film. I was contacted by a gamer that wanted to be in on it. His very first email he sent to me blew me away. Today, in 2005, I pay someone 5,000 miles away a good sum of money to help me develop music videos, corporate videos, etc.

See how important that was? When you reach college (which is a path I hope you take, either for film or otherwise), you will learn this and much more. I bid thee a good day.
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Magic_man12 wrote:

Mike, you keep saying "what have you done?? wheres your work?" etc etc etc.. "who are you to critisize me" blah blah blah
Ever heard of Movie Critics? If one of them said something bad about something you did would you say "who are you to say that? what have you done?"

Most movie critics DONT make feature films etc - they HAVNT made crazy movies etc .. yet their JOB is to say if something is good or not!
If Xcession has not made anything that has been recognized... or made ANYTHTING at all... that does not make his thoughts and opinions wrong. Im not saying he is a movie critic - or that it is his job - im just saying that just because someone hasn't produced anything (that you know of) doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about.

But coming onto an online forum and saying "im getting 3 million to do something with a video game movie" or something like that and asking for ideas is really sketchy and people are not in the wrong for being skeptical.

-MAGIC
Last I checked this was a filmmaking site filled with filmmakers. Not solely critics. If someone criticized me for not substantiating somethin, I would be wondering what right and credibility they have to do so. If someone's gonna naysay me and be skeptical and act as if they know exactly why what I said was false, then I'd question their credibility. Get off the guy's back. He's just excited over a big break in his film career and wants to announce it. Don't just immediately rain on his parade. Jeesh.
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Ben wrote:

He's just excited over a big break in his film career and wants to announce it.
Then why didn't he do that? Why have to go through all that lame-ass BS that made it look like he was being really subtle about the whole thing (but failing misrably)?

If he'd come along and said something like "Hey guys! I'm so excited! I'm getting to work on a $3 million dollar project that a producer has asked me to write a script for, because he saw one of my movies that I submitted to the New York film festival!", then I would have been as pleased for him as the next guy - BUT because he said things like "The only problem is it is low budget... 3 milliion dollars. What are some good ideas?" which discredited him, imho. It seems to me to be an attention-grabbing stunt rather than sincere excitement and celebration of his acchievement, coupled with what appears to be a request for an idea for the script, which makes me doubt it further - especially when later on he denied that he was asking that at all.

But, Mike, if you are being truthfull, then I wish you all the best smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
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Guys, as an outsider to this community (I know none of you, and have so few posts my opinion can easily be considered negligible) I offer this:

I have known many successful people that got their break from some less than professional presentation. Take me for example. I am a sales man in a very technical industry filled with college graduate professionals, who could debate me into a corner or just flat out squash me with their vast intellect, yet, I have managed to land some HUGE business from people who recognize what I have to offer, my enthusiasm for what I do, and the sincerity I exhibit before, during, and after the initial presentation. Some people are not the most eloquent, formally educated individuals, but have what counts to make a successful product and the right investor(s) will seize on it.

I have also known people that for personal reasons like to "casually" mention great news about themselves and then feed off the reaction. Most of these people will expand a grain of truth to the size of an entire beach and invite others to come bask on their new beachfront property. Individuals who take this route have personal problems that none of us understand fully, and you have to realize they can’t help it, that’s who they are. Calling them on it only pushes them deeper into their reality (by forcing them to make up new evidence to convince themselves and others) and can only cause further harm

So, if you are truthful, BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. You have a lot to learn about proper communication, but apparently have what it takes to impress an investor, so I wish you nothing but the best.

And, if you are not being truthful (to yourself and others) then I feel bad for you, and wish you find whatever you are truly lacking in your life and come to grips with its absence.

Goodnight Cleveland.
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mikec10305 wrote:

Also the american film market is apparenty more popular then the UK market and what did you show there? Was it an SFX show or a Sci fi movie? They dont want to see they that want origionality.
Erm... I have been at the American Film Market twice last year.

The movies in most demand: Sci-Fi, Action, horror... Dramas and comedies: we don't want to hear about it except if you have big Hollywood names... They may want "origionality" but originality is definitely in short supply...

As Sollthar pointed out, regardless if your claims are true or not (which I couldn't care less), the way you present your case smells highly of a bad producer or a class A bullshiter.

People in the film business talk a lot, loud and big. 99% of the time, its merely hot air. Be careful... You seem to be taking a similar tangent.

And before you ask me what I have done, I started making films at 12, been pro since I'm 20 and have over 15 years of experience making films. So I KNOW what I am talking about.
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I've always wondered, when syaing you're pro, what exactly does that mean? Does it mean you're making money off your work? Or does it mean you're hired or involved in some business?
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Two meanings, really - that you're working in the field (ie, it is your 'profession'), or that you're of sufficient skill to be able to work in that field, should you so wish.

Notably the two don't always go hand-in-hand...for example, John Rogers, who is a professional movie screenplay writer. However, you would hardly call his output 'professional' - Catwoman, The Core....

pro·fes·sion·al
adj.

1.
a) Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.
b) Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior.

2. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career: a professional writer.

3. Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football.

4. Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.
Dictionaries are your friend. smile
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Sollthar and VisualFXGuy both make some good points about attitudes in this thread. FXhome seems to have become a less friendly place over the last year or so (although you guys are always very kind to the CSB team), not really sure why but lets try and be nice and support each other.
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Remember it's nice to be nice and manners cost nothing.
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Devil May Cry would be an awesome movie...
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I'd prefer pong.
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schwar wrote:

FXhome seems to have become a less friendly place over the last year or so (although you guys are always very kind to the CSB team).
It's called ass kissing....

If I had to make a game into a movie, I'd look towards maybe...grand theft auto.....you're bound to get plenty of interest if you make a good attempt at something like that. If that seems like costing too much for rights then maybe streets of LA? It wasnt hugely popular but it wreaks of GTA, plus its got sleek cars and some pretty good gunfights/fighting.

They were my preferences at this moment in time, swinging toward an action genre though which you don't seem to be too interested in.

If not then what about broken sword? that is one title off the top of my head that isnt action yet kept me playing for a long long time. Maybe Silent Hill would be the best choice overall though, but I've seen how 'spooky' movies can be super cheesy.....thats the main hurdle for a silent hill movie in my humble opinion smile

Good luck with the project anyway if you're truthful....if not then.....har har.
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If we're all such talentless amateurs (albeit talentless amateurs many of whom have actually learned to communicate) then why do you need us to do your creating for you? It's just a thought.

By the way, I'm an Internationally performed playwright and I won last year's sci-fi London film competition ... well, came second ...but second comes right after first! Anyway, does that mean I'm Special and Talented and Important as well? Bow, you serfs! Bow all!
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just as people agree to lay off the poor guy you come along biggrin I do agre though I must admit...
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Actually, that's just as OTHER people agree to lay off the poor guy ...

Why poor guy? And why should we lay off? I've seen no contrition, no Damascan moment of self-realisation! Just example after example of self-important and unsubstantiated assholery!

Hunt him down! Burn him! Burn him and kindle the cruel flames with his imaginary three million dollars!

I pulled an all-nighter last night to make a deadline. I'm tired and emotional and may not be myself right now ....
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stqagehanduk wrote:

Hunt him down! Burn him! Burn him and kindle the cruel flames with his imaginary three million dollars!

schwar wrote:

FXhome seems to have become a less friendly place over the last year or so
You may be right there
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schwar wrote:

(although you guys are always very kind to the CSB team)
It's because people are either afraid to say something mean to you because they know it will bring a wave of minus one's, or because you guys mainly offer helpful support instead of "lol i'm makeing a movie and i need a a idea", or things similar to that.

Have you noticed that there are very few interesting topics in the forums anymore? The majority of them seem to be "I need CG help do it for me it's really complicated but i need it tomorrow and for free it's for a class and I told everyone i'd have it" then when people tell them it can't be done, they get all upset and start a fight. That's the way it goes lately.

Anyway... Back on topic. Are we NOT going to be able to see your movie, MikeC? Or... what?
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mgw wrote:

stqagehanduk wrote:

Hunt him down! Burn him! Burn him and kindle the cruel flames with his imaginary three million dollars!

schwar wrote:

FXhome seems to have become a less friendly place over the last year or so
You may be right there
Was I the only one to catch Stagehanduk's oh so subtle sarcasm and humour?
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No, but it would seem that you didn't catch up on my even more subtle sarcasm

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What Aculag said.

I taught myself everything I know by trial and error (however little that may be), and then promptly untaught myself some of the things that I have since discovered to be illegal and/or immoral.
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hmmm....

back onto topic, how about streets of rage, or golden axe???

they're old classic but not heard of now, the rights to those should be cheap enough biggrin The stories for those werent exactly great so you're free to make your own for them i guess...


And aculag....I'm asking for smallish work (from what i understand so i'm probably worng there anyway) over 3-ish months and i offer money (though it may also be off the mark!), so i hope you werent referring to me smile
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Do Knight Lore from the Spectrum. The opening sequence could be fifteen minutes of stripey screen and squalling loading noise ... I'd pay to see hideous colour clash every time the leading man walked in front of a wall ...

Yeah, that's the way to go. And half way through, just as it's getting to a good bit, make the audience have to stop and tidy the cinema. Retro retro retro.
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A commodore amiga game would be great. And constantly having a "please insert disk 105 into drive DF0" screen appear and instead of the end credits, make a guru meditation. smile
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How about people don't get tickets, they get colour-coded copyright protection? You could get in for free if you're just prepared to spend a maths lesson colouring in a peice of gridded paper.

God, that's takes me back. Pre-scanners and home PCs and when colour photocopying cost about £8000 ....

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first off i cant believe how everyones first instinct is to attack the integraty of what was said! that just blows me away!

no.1 Who cares! even if you did believe him or not if you give an idea your still not gonna get credit if he was shady. so whats the point.

no.2 he just asked a question! what games would you turn into a movie. I for one would be glad to answer cause well alot of sucky games have seen the big screen and alot of good ones have not!

no.3 a game like half life or a major best selling game's company will not give up license options to a small $3 MIL. low budget straight to video production, so would most likly need to be from some company that didnt do so well but had a game that was pretty hot for a min.

Anyway a few really cool games that have been lost in the mix that I would love to make into a movie:

Nocturn (by terminal reality) they have since become a big name due to bloodryne but who knows!

Tex Murphy series with is a film nior detective mystery which used to be from access software but the company was bought by microsoft and they killed the series.

Harvester, i think by access as well, reminded me of irie indiana

Phantasmagoria, seirra software.
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Well, genuine talent speaks for itself. I doubt that Arthur Miller ever walked into a bar and said, "Hey! I get great reviews and I'm doing Marilyn Munroe!"

And that question smells like a pretty flimsy pretext for a boast, if you ask me. Which you didn't. And, as I explained earlier, I'm very tired and even less inclined to be generous than usual.
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Aculag wrote:

schwar wrote:

(although you guys are always very kind to the CSB team)
It's because people are either afraid to say something mean to you because they know it will bring a wave of minus one's, or because you guys mainly offer helpful support instead of "lol i'm makeing a movie and i need a a idea", or things similar to that.

Have you noticed that there are very few interesting topics in the forums anymore? The majority of them seem to be "I need CG help do it for me it's really complicated but i need it tomorrow and for free it's for a class and I told everyone i'd have it" then when people tell them it can't be done, they get all upset and start a fight. That's the way it goes lately.

Anyway... Back on topic. Are we NOT going to be able to see your movie, MikeC? Or... what?
I just posted a software thread. Thats kind of interesting. But for the most part, i agree with you.
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timmyd wrote:


I just posted a software thread. Thats kind of interesting. But for the most part, i agree with you.
It's been deleted, obviously not an interesting enough thread.
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Ever heard of Marathon? It has similarities to Halo but much older and also by bungie, im pretty sure it was only made for macintosh, you might be able to use that
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Rawree wrote:

timmyd wrote:


I just posted a software thread. Thats kind of interesting. But for the most part, i agree with you.
It's been deleted, obviously not an interesting enough thread.
I just checked with tarn: it was deleted because it contained links to competitors products. unsure
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How the hell is 3 million low-budget? Many indei films which are considered low budget run for under $100,000
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Ive got a great idea. Lets just give Hotshot NY film fest director the benefit of the doubt, because it doesnt mean anyone is going to kiss his ass, like people would speilberg style
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Old news!





Anyways, stagehandduck, I like you like this.
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It is a bit annoying now that someone jumps in on the thread this late on to have a go (repeating an exact post from 5 pages before.....exageration but you know what i mean) after everything that's already been said before.

But while I'm thinking about it, Sollthar, no offense or anything, i'm just enquiring......but why do you get +1's for everything you post, i notice you've had one for adding to stqagehanduk's idea of old games. Maybe i missed something biggrin
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He's a mod, thus more authority in the community, thus people listen to him more. Whilst people probably hardly read your post, with Sollthar's they probably gazed at it with adoration, read it over & over & then became fully self realised beings. wink

Oh, & he also has subliminal "GIVE ME FORCE" messages in his posts...




Edit: I thought Superusers had the power to delete posts & other such things, which is being a mod (forum moderator).

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Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005, 8:46am

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I have all Sollthar's posts framed and hanging on my wall.

PLus people listen to him and +1 him because he's super
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He has +2 for saying "I'd prefer Pong".

Well... I'd prefer Forbidden Forest; please + me.
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Actually chaps, Sollthar isn't a mod.

He's just a talented individual who has earnt his respect at FXhome by not only being an asset to the community but a damn nice chap. In some ways, he's a hero of FXhome. And that's why people pay attention when he speaks.
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but why do you get +1's for everything you post
How should I know? I don't give the +1s myself... smile


Oh, & he also has subliminal "GIVE ME FORCE" messages in his posts..
You mean like this?

GIVE I'd ME prefer FORCE pong NOW.
Okay, you got me. sad
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Solithar is soft and tactile and smells faintly of forest flowers.

Bless him and all who sail in him.
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Don't get me wrong, I meant nothing by it, was just enquiring. From the short amount of time I've been viewing these forums and the work in the cinema, I can see that you're a stronge presence in the comminuty...

If I were you though I'd be a bit freaked out that people want to reward me for saying 'I'd prefer pong' or whatever it is you said....though I'd accept the reward as well as the fact that I had stalkers wink

3 mil guy, make a film about a popular film maker that gets stalked. Box office smash! Make the film maker wear a pink helmet as well (just for randomness and "to make you work stand out from all the other no life film makers in the world and iraq! smile).
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cinemafreak, i don't think it's possible to make an independent film for $100,000. Buying film stock, renting a camera, developing the film and scanning the film will run you more then that on it's own.

Films are expensive things, even the independent ones. Now, if your talking about someone picking up a MiniDV, DV, or BetaCam and shooting their own little movie, it could be possible to do it for that much, but then it wouldn't be a film. biggrin
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The reason that post was +1ed, I inagine, was because people found it funny (I mean Pong the movie would be hilarious). Nobody is stalking him. On a related note Sollthar, did you ever get all the letters and poems I sent you? and what's with this restraining order? wink
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I'd understand that if I saw more funny posts +1's. Just thought it was funny and I picked up on it, nvm biggrin
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VisualFXGuy wrote:

Films are expensive things, even the independent ones. Now, if your talking about someone picking up a MiniDV, DV, or BetaCam and shooting their own little movie, it could be possible to do it for that much, but then it wouldn't be a film. biggrin
Yes, it WOULD be a film, it just wouldn't be SHOT on film. If you don't think it's possible to make an independent film for less than 100,000 dollars, then you are absolutely wrong. Keep in mind, the best example, El Mariachi, was shot for 7,000. And that was film.

With today's resources, it would be VERY easy to make a film for less than 100,000 dollars. Even shooting on HD.

Maybe you're going to go all out and use the highest quality equipment you can get. Maybe you're going to only shoot on color 35mm Kodak Vision 2 stock. But most people shooting an indie film are not going to do that. Most people shooting an indie film are going to get the best they can for as little as they can.

You give me 100,000 dollars to make a feature film, and I'll give you 96,000 back. Or keep the rest. Seriously. Give me 100,000 dollars, and a month, and I'll give you a high quality independent film for three thousand dollars.

Money doesn't make a film, people do.
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I totally agree with what Aculag said.

I'm currently working on a film for theatrical release and from what it looks now we will probably be making it for around 60'000 $ or most likely, even less then that.
We're working with professional actors and a professional Team and will be shooting on HD.


I don't know where you're come from VFXGuy, but if you have never worked on a film with less then 100'000 $, then congratulations.


But thinking it wouldn't be possible or wouldn't be a film, is wrong.



PS: I got your letter Rawree... I love you too wink
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Don't +1's give you force??
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if they do then you havent had any +1's, but from what i gather i think they do yes.
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Doesn't anyone love me? I'm lovable. I know card tricks and everything.
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Card tricks eh? Who wouldn't want to love you with skills like that.
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I don't shoot films myself, I stick with the post side of things, I'm just relaying what i've been told by people who do. I always thought a film by definition is something shot on FILM, and a video, would be something shot on VIDEO. That's where i'm coming from. I'm not saying you can't shoot something on DV for cheap.. i'm sayign you can't shoot something on film for that cheap.

And as for calling something an independant video, I'm talking about shooting this thing by the book. location scouts, rental of post facilities for editing, catering, accounting, securing and paying a city for location shoots, paying your actors, producer, writers, director. The whole 9 yards.

Maybe i'm way off, but the people i've interacted with do those things. I always thought that's what seperated an amature production of gathering your friends together, running out to a forest and shooting something, and taking your camera home, and editing it on a home computer, and professionaly, where you contract out production houses and such to do your post, and you secure location permissions from a city.

Theres a program here in Toronto where you bring in somoene who wants to write, somone who wants to direct, and somoene who wants to produce, and you go through this whole program where they teach each person the ins and outs of their respective field while they develop a movie francise, and then the best group in the program get $500,000 to do it with, and then send you on your way through all the major festival circuts..

Anyways, i'm relaying what I was taught. I'm not a film person myself, so my definitions could be a little out of date, looking at the explosion of DV and HD of late. Personaly, I only know one indie director but he does use film.

P.S: All my referances to money are in Canadian funds, since those are the people I deal with. Converting that into American could make a difference.. dunno.

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The word "Film" is really just interchangable with the word "movie" for the most part around here. I think it's a bit like the special effect/visual effect thing, it depends how important and accurate you want your terminology.
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How about we assume I don't know what i'm talking about when it comes to making indie films and move on from there? biggrin
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The cost of a movie depends on who's making it. If it's a big studio, then it's a given that paying for all the crew, location managers, actors etc is going to cost a lot. But if you're a smaller company without the budget then it's oh so possible to make a movie for peanuts, as long as they can afford film transfer costs, marketing & distribution. Pi, Darren Aronofsky's first film (I think) cost $60,000.
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I'll bet you Derek Jarman's BLue didn't cost three million .... although you might have to pay me that much to make me sit through it again ....
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VisualFXGuy wrote:

How about we assume I don't know what i'm talking about when it comes to making indie films and move on from there? biggrin
I refuse to move on, I'm staying right here.

You seem to know more about film making that a lot of people on here but it seems that for the most part you're thinking on a different scale to most other people.
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I bet if you did make a film for less than three million it'd have the Poor Man's Julian Sands Bruce Payne in it ...