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Final Cut Pro OR Adobe Premiere?

Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 11:45pm

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I am going to buy a new computer soon and I was considering a mac, but adobe is no longer makeing software for Apple, i would likely get Final Cut pro, and I was wondering if any1 can tell me which one is the better program so I can decide if I want to stay with Mac or switch to PC
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 11:48pm

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Used both pretty much.
I'm just gonna say Final Cut Pro.
Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2005, 11:50pm

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I'm a Premiere user & happy with that, but if you want to stay with mac go for FCP. Heard lots of good things about it, more than I have for Premiere. I have used both, & prefer Premiere a bit more, but I don't think you can go wrong with either. FCP is has gained a very good reputation though, & people in Hollywood use it, such as Robert Rodriguez & Steven Soderbergh.
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 12:30am

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In that case I'll probably stick with mac becouse I like the platform better, I was just worried that I might regret going for Final Cut if Adobe was a great deal better but my system wasn't compatable
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 1:02am

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but adobe is no longer makeing software for Apple
what?
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 1:09am

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fcp is alot more stable than ppro
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 1:25am

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Adobe still makes software for Apple, they just stopped development on Premiere for Mac at version 6.5.

Pretty much all of their other products are still supported on the Mac platform.
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 1:29am

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I use Final Cut Pro almost every day in school, and I love it. I do have Premiere at home and use it a lot, although they are similiar I think FCP is the better program.
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 2:35am

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F*C*P
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 5:10am

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I am Mac user and proud owner of Adobe Premiere. But from what I have heard FCP is better, more supported on Mac platform, and is used on a Feature film level, so if you were to continue on to a proffesional career in editing, FCP is used a lot in the industry. My 2 cents.
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 6:35am

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Then I gues there is no doubt Chop Suke, go for Final Cut Pro wink
Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005, 7:58am

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Even if you did go with premier and then found yourself at a higher level where you needed to use fcp, it is shockingly easy to use (fcp i mean). Seems as though they're both liked, go with the budget...assuming that you're buying smile
Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005, 2:47am

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would someone mind telling me why more people go with mac than windows? How much of a difference is there?
Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005, 2:56am

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Very stable operating system
Very little to none spyware & adware and viruses
Access to software like FCP, iLife, etc.
Long lasting
Even nice to look at

I'm sure someone will add much more

Oh, and I like FCP better than Premiere. If you are a student or a teacher you should have access to Apples education discounts and get it for $499. PLus it comes with livetype and soundtrack.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005, 3:43am

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More people go Windows. If you are talking in the film world, more people go Windows as well. But usually Macs are preffered, they support most of the software on that runs and is known for Windows, and Apple software and Apple specific software like Shake, FCP HD etc. Consumers go Mac because they are easier to use, less trouble like viruses, just more "user friendly." But people who want them to be used on a more proffesional level can use it to its full potential. And as mentioned, they last a long time. I am not saying PCs lack all of these qualities because I haven't had TOO much expierience as far as they go. smile
Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005, 5:46pm

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I use a PC becasue it's more convienient for me. I don't seem to run into the crashing software (tooo often wink ) that most people complain about and I hardly get any spyware and adware becasue I have a decent firewall running. But mainly I use a PC because of the availability of the software I use. Mac's have a tendency to buy up a company's software and make it Mac only to try to gain some ground over Windows users. Just like what happened to Nothing Real's Shake.

Due to the fact that I'm learning Shake, i need to get access to a Mac to continue training in it.

Okay, so I contridicted myself there. BESIDES Shake, All the software I've learend will run on Windows. For me, it's just more convienient. It really depends on what programs you plan to use, and who supports it, and what system your more familiar with. Everyone is different. smile

Granted when it comes down to film work, your going to need crazy assed computing power and memory just to deal with a sequence of images that are 2k or 4k. Not really something you can take home and do on your home PC, but that's not going to be an issue right now.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005, 6:00pm

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The high end of the industry goes with macs.....not really surw why.

A good reason to have a mac is because like someone already said, they're prone to hacks and virus's as far as I'm aware.

I myself prefer PC's. My PC isn't exactly super but it wipes the floor with any mac I've been on other than a big daddy powerbook that cost 3000 quid. Which brings me to apple's biggest problem, cost. They cost a bomb and continue to do so from owning one. If windows used their way in terms of opperating (like the dock on desktop, or by pressing F9 to view all open windows and programs.....open) there wouldnt be any question IMO. FCP is great, but I can easily live without it. Macs are slow ass bricks that cost a leg....from experience. In case anyone is wondering, experience leads me through iMac/iMac/eMac and the not too bad powerbooks.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2005, 11:42pm

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Macs dont crash. They are better than windows. More geeky people than windows users use them because they're a step up from windows in the technology behind it and the interface and commands used to master it. Its more stable. Apple makes thier own computers, so you know they're good. There is a select group of good companies that provide to apple users. I could go on but im tired.
Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005, 12:07am

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NuttyBanana wrote:

In case anyone is wondering, experience leads me through iMac/iMac/eMac and the not too bad powerbooks.
Go to a Comp USA or nearby Apple store, and try a G5, imac or Power Mac. You will be much more impressed.
Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005, 12:13am

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timmyd wrote:

Macs dont crash. They are better than windows. More geeky people than windows users use them because they're a step up from windows in the technology behind it and the interface and commands used to master it. Its more stable. Apple makes thier own computers, so you know they're good. There is a select group of good companies that provide to apple users. I could go on but im tired.
Me and timmyd seem to be mostly on the same page about macs. Once again, go with Final Cut and the Mac. Apple computers do something I never experienced with a Windows, and that is last. Youll have great use out of the computers for many years.
Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005, 2:19am

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At this level of film editing there will be little to no difference in the end result (your movie) whether you use Adobe Premiere or Final Cut Pro.

It's an amusingly stupid belief that one is in some way far superior to the other, they are both Non linear Editing software capable of many things and are equal on many, many levels.

The software you choose to work with should be the software you are familiar with, and happy with working with and no other reason. I'm tired of Mac Fans praising Final Cut and PC nerds humping Adobe Premiere. They are both perfectly good pieces of software.
Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005, 8:06am

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imo people go more with fcp as its more user friendly....not just because its better.
Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005, 12:41pm

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I meant to add to my last post.

I prefer Adobe Premiere to Final Cut Pro. Why? Because I know it inside out and every effect control seems to be in an easy to reach part of the interface.
Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005, 12:47pm

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I've tried premiere and final cut pro, but not tried it that much... So from my first look, I whould have gone for final gut pro. But I don't know if final cut pro has a small compositing corner like premiere...
Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005, 8:22pm

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Chop Suke

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This looks almost exactly like the Mac Vs. PC poll allready
Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005, 11:43pm

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macs cost more than pc
macs software cost more than pc
mac has less software available (especially free software, and plugins)
mac has less hardware available than pc
ADOBE one of the industry leaders doesn't support mac (they seem to know)

the choice is yours wink
Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2005, 12:11am

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cdolsen wrote:

macs cost more than pc
macs software cost more than pc
mac has less software available (especially free software, and plugins)
mac has less hardware available than pc
ADOBE one of the industry leaders doesn't support mac (they seem to know)

the choice is yours wink
Erm, Adobe supports Mac. I really dont know where your coming from there.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2005, 4:21am

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cdolsen wrote:

macs cost more than pc
macs software cost more than pc
mac has less software available (especially free software, and plugins)
mac has less hardware available than pc
ADOBE one of the industry leaders doesn't support mac (they seem to know)

the choice is yours wink
This is an awful comparison.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2005, 4:40am

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Klut wrote:

I've tried premiere and final cut pro, but not tried it that much... So from my first look, I whould have gone for final gut pro. But I don't know if final cut pro has a small compositing corner like premiere...
Umm, hah, FCP's Compositing is far better than Premiere's IMO. It can key better, but as for other things I don't know. But I am pretty sure FCP has better compositing tools.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2005, 10:31pm

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I go with Sony Vegas 5 on windows? Why? Because I want much more out of my computer than the ability to do video editing. My dad and I built it to run fast for games, and multimedia. Since apple does not yet have a wide variety of games for its platform, it seemed logical to stay with windows. If I was filthy rich and could afford another computer, I might choose the G5 out of curiosity.

Sony Vegas 5 is a very powerful program and has a shallow learning curve. With a guide book, I, a 13 year old kid learned it in a few weeks. I've also heard that Vegas is being more and more preferred over Premiere.

Even though most professionals still use macs for editing, the use of windows based software is on the rise.
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 9:33pm

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jwoody05 wrote:

I use Final Cut Pro almost every day in school, and I love it. I do have Premiere at home and use it a lot, although they are similiar I think FCP is the better program.
I have the same and opposite opinion... I use it every day... and every day my absolute loathing of Apples, if possible, grows.

Final Cut Pro is nice, though, omitting the whole .... "Unexpectedly Quit" portion. I use Premeire Pro at home, and I have to say that, PPro's real time rendering capability is something I LOVE.
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 9:34pm

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Sorry for this nooby question, but what is "real time render" ???
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 9:53pm

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FCP also has realtime rendering, and you must be using some dodgy equipment or software to get a Mac to crash, it hardly ever happens.

There really is no comparison between FCP and Premiere Pro as FCP is a totally different level (hence its used on feature films etc).
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 9:54pm

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I think what he means is Premiere Pro allows for a preview render to be viewed - whilst a full render is still necessary for full quality playback - Premiere can at a lower framerate - allow a playback without render.

Real Time Rendering is however part of Final Cut Pro and has been since FCP3.

Quite what he meant, I don't know. But hope that helps Klut smile
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 9:57pm

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You know what a render is right? Well, realtime renders are when your PC processes all your video effects/compressing instantly. E.g. with AlamDV2, your lightsaber fight would be available as a file immediately or a few seconds after you pressed the start render button.

Only really fast PC's, or with realtime cards, or with realtime software (such as that built in to Premiere & other apps like Avid) can render realtime though
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 12:11am

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Motion can render in realtime if you have like 15 brand new g5s together.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 12:19am

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schwar wrote:

FCP also has realtime rendering, and you must be using some dodgy equipment or software to get a Mac to crash, it hardly ever happens.

There really is no comparison between FCP and Premiere Pro as FCP is a totally different level (hence its used on feature films etc).
Why do you keep sucking up to final cut pro? I can agree that it is a great program, but what makes you say that premier pro is a level down from final cut pro? There is only a 300 dollar price difference, mainly do to the fact that apple software is a tad more expensive. Also, professionals use macs just because they are more user friendly and have been used for editing long before the PC. If there was a final cut pro for pc, the pro's still would pick the mac version I'm sure. All editing solutions above $500 usd are professional IMO. Vegas 5, Premier Pro, Avid Express DV, ALL are professional.
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I'm not sucking up to FCPHD - it is a fantastic application. I'm just stating that its better than Premiere because it is (if you intend to use its extra functionality otherwise all editing applications are pretty much the same).

FCPHD is one of the best and most comprehensive editing applications on the market at any level. FCPHD should be way more expensive than it is, in fact with all its different components (now put together in HD) it would have been several thousand dollars! Apple makes FCPHD really cheap to make people move to the platform (the same way it reduced the price of Shake and DVD studio when it took control). Premiere is more a semi-professional application, or prosumer if you like - doesn't mean you can't still make amazing films with it.

In the industry its Avid or FCP all the way. I don't know of any professionals who use Premiere or Vegas.
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You can make a fantastic film with ANY nle. iMovie, WMM, all those. Nothing is preventing you from making a fantasic movie with them. They just dont have all the features of the better programs. It just dpends on what you are doing to make your movie. Heck, they could of made LotR in iMovie, and it wouldnt of hindered the movie. They didnt use thier editing program for grading or compositing as far as i know. So, it really doesnt matter WHICH program you have. It just matters on how you use it.
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timmyd wrote:

You can make a fantastic film with ANY nle. iMovie, WMM, all those. Nothing is preventing you from making a fantasic movie with them. They just dont have all the features of the better programs. It just dpends on what you are doing to make your movie. Heck, they could of made LotR in iMovie, and it wouldnt of hindered the movie. They didnt use thier editing program for grading or compositing as far as i know. So, it really doesnt matter WHICH program you have. It just matters on how you use it.
That is a great point.
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Well, thank you. smile
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As timmyd has quite rightly pointed out, and as others have said, it makes very little difference.

In the end, your skill as an editor will be down mainly to your own abilities, experience and creativity, rather than what software you use. They all do very similar things.

Granted, each may do things that the other doesn't - but so far, I've not found anything that I really need to do, but can't, with the software I use at the moment (mainly Premiere). Personally, I agree with Hybrid-Halo when he says that you should just go with whatever you feel better using smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
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I don't know of any professionals who use Premiere or Vegas.
Then you don't know very many professionals. I can agree that final cut pro MAY be the best, I'm not sure I haven't tried it so I have nothing to compare it to. But every other pro application is right behind it, and are also widley used among professionals.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 9:01pm

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Do you know pros who use Premiere or Vegas? And wedding photographers don't count.
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Name a proffesional editor that prefers Adobe Premiere over FCP HD.
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Most Professional videographers at VASST use sony vegas 5. Douglas Spotted Eagle is one of them.