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Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 1:21am

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Is AlamDV compatable with Windows Movie Maker? If so.. do I use Windows Movie Maker in order to capture the film? After that will I be able to open it with Alam?

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Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 1:24am

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Yes, and yes. Alam DV cant import the film, but im not sure of the compatibility, with WMM. I'm on a mac. smile I think there is a different codec you have to use to get it to work with WMM.
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 1:33am

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Thanks for the help Timmy... But can someone elaborate on what he said so I know exactly what I'm getting myself into using WMM with AlamDV?
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 1:38am

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Alrighty. I checked the FAQs and i think its just macintosh quicktime DV thats iffy. Everything should work fine for you.
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 1:40am

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Alright.. That helps me out then. (l'm looking at getting into making movies... But being 15 and having no job, my budgets a little tighter than most haha.)

Thanks Timmy,
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Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 1:42am

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Haha, your budgets probably no better than a broke 12 year olds. (aka me smile)
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 1:44am

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First off, Disregard any of the useless information timmyd has given you. I'm afraid though even though his heart is in the right place, the advice he has given you is incorrect.

Secondly, take a look at the AlamDV Workflow:
http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16874

You can capture video from your camera with Windows Movie Maker, but you should not open your entire movie in Alamdv. Export small sections from Windows Movie Maker that need effects as "Uncompressed", make sure this is not Microsoft DV, this may require you download a codec or two and then open those in Alam.
AlamDV cannot open Wmm files, Wmm files are simply project files used by windows movie maker and themselves contain no video.

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Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 3:11am

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So let's see if I've got this. All I have to do is cature the video using WMM, then export the sections i want to have edited by AlamDV then import them again for use in the movie. If I follow this process, I will be able to use WMM as my editing program, right?

Thanks for your help,
Richy
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 3:14am

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Yes, you will just have to re-import into WMM to edit it.
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 3:35am

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Wrong again Timmyd alamdv cannot import Microsoft DV AVI files or .wmv.
Do this, download virtual dub, although Ive never captured through virtual dub try capturing footage as Matrox DV in vdub. I use Matrox and can import directly into AlamDV. Then export as uncompressed and I think windows movie maker can import that, if not, import into virtual dub again, then change it to Matrox DV codec, then import into WMM. Hmm that should work.

If you cannot capture in virtual dub, capture in WMM, then import into VDub and export as Matrox DV.
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 9:38am

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Wouldn't it just be better to render the file uncompressed?
Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005, 1:29pm

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Jonne wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better to render the file uncompressed?
Rendering the file Uncompressed from Windows Media Player would give you a Microsoft DV file, which AlamDV cannot use, so no.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 2:12am

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Richy wrote:

Is AlamDV compatable with Windows Movie Maker? If so.. do I use Windows Movie Maker in order to capture the film? After that will I be able to open it with Alam?

Thanks,
Richy
Now I'm not quite sure, because I haven't used Windows Movie Maker in a while, but...

Yes and no. AlamDV2 is only compatible with avi type files off of Windows. (As, I myself have gone through this problem) In order to overlay in AlamDV2, you must first 'special-render' an avi type video in WMM. From there on, you can reload the overlayed clip back into WMM and re-render the final video. However, if you plan to do extensive AlamDV2 work, I suggest a better/more compatible editing app. And, yeah, rendering uncompressed won't work, either. (Sometimes the clip will load in AlamDV2, sometimes there's a compatibility error, from my recollection of it)
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 1:59pm

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It sounds like it would just be best if someone recommended a fairly cheap editing program. (But unlike WMM I would like this one to have a less terrible slow-motion effect... As well as more than one track for the audio.) But of course, I'd still like it to be fairly easy to use.

Thanks again all,
Richy
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 2:11pm

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AlamDV3 won't have this problem, so you could always sit tight and wait for it's release smile
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 2:49pm

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I'm failing to see why people are saying "wait for AlamDV3" though. I mean, if I were to get AlamDV2 now... I'd be able to upgrade to AlamDV3 for free. And from what I've heard, that would be a much better deal wouldn't it? I mean, AlamDV3 is going to cost much more than AlamDV2 anyway... So why not buy AlamDV2 ASAP and then upgrade and save a bunch?
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 4:14pm

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And I really suggest quitting WMM. Avid Free DV is great, it is a whole lot more powerful. Google it and it'll pop up, it is 100% free.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 4:39pm

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I just cant figure out how to use avid free dv:S
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 6:02pm

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Skytta productions wrote:

I just cant figure out how to use avid free dv:S
http://www.avid.com/freedv/tutorials/index.asp
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 8:43pm

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I had trouble with it at first too, but, like with all good programs, you should be able to screw around in it to learn how it works. How do you think i know so much about Chromanator and Alam? (its NOT the tutorials) smile
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 8:47pm

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Alam isn't that hard to figure out though. right now it is just taking premade images and animating them over a timeline. DV3 will be when it will get more advanced. And no offense but I wouldn't say you know "so much" about Chromanator, there is so much that you don't know. I don't even know it front to back, I would have never been able to do that tron effect if it weren't for Tarn's tute, and after earning that it opened up so much moe effects and stuff.
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 3:24am

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When you say that DV3 will be more complicated I still hope it's noob friendly for some of us. eek

Richy
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 3:31am

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Oh don't worry... it will be. Download the Chromanator demo to see kinda what it'll be like (however the design has been pretty greatly reworked for ADV3, and that'll carry over to chromy and digigrade later.)
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 3:52am

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Richy wrote:

It sounds like it would just be best if someone recommended a fairly cheap editing program. (But unlike WMM I would like this one to have a less terrible slow-motion effect... As well as more than one track for the audio.) But of course, I'd still like it to be fairly easy to use.

Thanks again all,
Richy
terrible slow-motion? WMM has exceptional slo-mo for an editing app. Slo-mo can't be helped. It depends on the frame rate you film at. For some tricks on that, check this out:

http://fxhome.com/support/tutorials/view.php?i=29

(Of course, you have to buy Chromanator. But, from what I hear, it's well worth it.)
For all we know, this whole AlamDV3 doo-hicky-thingy could be a scam. wink
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 4:51am

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atom wrote:

For all we know, this whole AlamDV3 doo-hicky-thingy could be a scam. wink
*in sarcastic voice* Shut up, shut up, shut up!!!!! What are you trying tp delay the release of ADV3? Don't diss CSB.
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 1:35pm

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atom wrote:


terrible slow-motion? WMM has exceptional slo-mo for an editing app. Slo-mo can't be helped.
How would I get it to do a "smooth" slow mo effect instead of a choppy one?
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 4:12pm

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Richy wrote:

atom wrote:


terrible slow-motion? WMM has exceptional slo-mo for an editing app. Slo-mo can't be helped.
How would I get it to do a "smooth" slow mo effect instead of a choppy one?

Axeman wrote:

Here is a technique that can be helpful for slowing down footage. I've found that about the slowest I can get footage and still be ok is 35% to 40% of original speed. Here's how to get it slower.

Start an interlaced project in Chromanator, and import your interlaced footage. Now, double the length of the clip on the timeline. You can do this by right-clicking on the clip and setting the speed to 50%. In interlaced mode, chromy splits the 2 fields of each frame into seperate frames. The fields are shot by your camera 1/60th of a second apart (in NTSC, 1/50th in PAL), so there is actually a noticeable difference in the movement from one field to the next. The faster the onscreen movement, the more noticeable it is. Anyway, when you render this out, you will end up with a clip running half as fast as your original, but with no frames duplicated, because when it re-interlaces on the render, it will re-interlace field 1 with field 1, then field 2 with field 2, etc. The result is the same as if you shot the scene with a 60 fps camera. Now take that clip and slow it down, and you can get much slower slowmo without getting the jitters. You should be able to get down to 20% of the original speed, or more, which is pretty slow.
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 4:25pm

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Crap, I was hoping to hear that I wouldn't need Chromator for a good slow-motion effect. Thanks for that though.

Richy
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 4:26pm

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Your only other option is some overpriced program selling for 20 times the price of Chromy.
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 4:26pm

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You might be able to do it in another app but Chromy is a buit of a speciality around here wink
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 8:10pm

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Well I think the principle is same for many editing programs for the technique axeman describes above, although WMM cant do it and I dont know if Avid Free DV or whatever can do it.
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 11:23pm

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Richy wrote:

Crap, I was hoping to hear that I wouldn't need Chromator for a good slow-motion effect. Thanks for that though.

Richy
It's all about the framerate, Rich. The reason your slo-mo is choppy is because its taking out as many pictures from the video as possible and delaying how fast they play. You can only manipulate that so many ways, it'll still going to be somewhat choppy.