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Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 11:40am

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First 8 minutes of our Halo Movie.

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Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 4:19pm

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I said everything in the other thread, this would be good if you spent a little more time. And from the master chief test I saw on your site, you need a tripod and/or a steadicam. Good though, I am going to give it a 3/5 because of the problems such as crap audio, you can tell they are spekaking up close into a mic at the beginning, the 3d isn't all that great at the beginning, and the hologram's acting is corny and i can't hear her. Good luck dude, but you really should take more time. For example, those ships are bad and the star fields look as if they were made in Microsft paint. You can download one here in the plugins section, just use the jpg, there is also some at http://scifi3d.theforce.net

You also need to color Grade, maybe you are waiting for Digigrade though. Also, the muzzle flashes in the Master Chief test were very VERY bad, I would wait for Alam DV3, and I would use Sollthar's smoke plugin and/or buy the stock from his site: http://nccinema.ch
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 5:49pm

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Have less shakey camera shots. Use a better microphone setup. Don't have such long sequences e.g. titles, masterchief conversation. The 3d is okayish but I'd advise building on what you've learnt & make them better (needs better textures & lighting). Good work masking the space shots into your kitchen but again, that needs a bit of work too. Hologram was good, pity about audio.

You obviously have enthusiasm, so I wish you good luck.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 6:07pm

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Serpent wrote:

You also need to color Grade
I'm sorry to derail this topic here, but Serpent, what is your obsession with this? No one "NEEDS" to color grade, yet you say it to everyone. It IS possible to get a good looking image without any sort of post processing. You do know that, don't you? Sorry, that's just been bugging me.

I haven't watched this yet, but when I do, I might comment.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 6:40pm

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In a scifi movie I believe it is needed. Especially with the bad quality of his camera. I just think it looks bad. And yes, I am obsessed with this matter, if you don't have a really good camera, it makes it look more proffesional, especially for a scifi movie, that's just me. I only say to the films that I believe need it, that i thik look bad picture wise, especially if it already shot dude. And you don't need to take me literally when I say the word "need" instead of should for example.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 7:42pm

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Then don't say the word "need"?
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 8:18pm

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[quote="Aculag"]

Serpent wrote:

No one "NEEDS" to color grade, yet you say it to everyone.
I said don't take the word "need" literally when I said it. No one needs to do anything. I was just saying you took me too literally in my opinion. Should is a better word for the sentence.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 8:47pm

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Okay where to begin... lets start with the bad.

BAD
-shakey camera
-CG
-Acting
-Opening titles and words are waaaaay too long
-CG
-Settings (the cockpit looked like some girl's room)
-Audio - it was scratchy and did not sound at all cinematic or scary.
-Did I mention CG? Sorry it was just horrible. The creature walking into the room at the beginning was just... ahh....

GOOD
- The story is interesting
- The fact that you are taking initiative to do this project.

You are taking on a big project like this, and thats admirable, but I don't think you are ready. Mostly everything about it is pretty bad. Don't take this the wrong way, I just want to show you whats bad about it (and there is a lot) so taht you can make it better.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 8:58pm

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Yes, it is not hard to improve this things, but you are rushing te project. On the bad things I agree with evman all the way. The costume is great.
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 9:57pm

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Yeah, well the movie will get better trust me, in the script I find this part to be the most boring of the movie and the least intresting. The movie looks like it will be about an hour long, so yeah I do admit that this is the worst part of the movie, but the ending space battle looks good, even though it has a corny end, but not that bad. The CG is the best I can do with out spending monsterous amounts of time, but look at what other people's CG do, of course there are a lot that are a lot better, but at the same time most people's are not as good either. Also this is the first time that I have done a heavy CG shots like thoughs. Although I think the biggest problem is that the internet version's that I have posted are not as good as the orginal that are DVD quility (kinda).
Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005, 10:18pm

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I think your main problem with the CGI is that you tried too much before you got it up to a, let's face it, acceptable level for combining with live action shots. At the moment I'm finding out how difficult it is to make CG creatures which look good up against live action (/me winks at Serpent) so I understand what trouble it is. I think the thing that could use the biggest improvement with the CG is the lighting as good lighting can make a lot of difference and also work on getting the animation looking smooth and natural because at the moment it looks a lot like a cutscene from a PS2 game or something (The lip movement looked very Metal Gear Solid "Codec-y")
Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005, 2:29am

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The 3d program I use is not that very good with lip movements (rather horrible in my opinion), althought most of the CG characters that will be talking will be Elites, and they have those mandibles, so for talking it shouldn't be to hard. Although recreating how they act is little harder, it is a combination of martial arts in perfection, clan like warriors, and birds. The bird parts are interesting as Elites will cock their heads as if they were birds.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 7:51pm

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Notice on HALO 2 there is an orange tint and everything is slightly blurred, ALso the floor needs to b purple for the brute and prophet talk. All of it looks 2d, at the mo, u probably need a better renderer, wat 3d program do u use. The models themselves look pretty cool but it just doesn't feel right in some way, Try making a model of the truth and recons control room and having everything the same except the different location that would make it look nicer. And try to take your time with it as well OK. It's coming on well anyway though. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 5:53am

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Well I dont really know any thing about Halo so I had to take this at face value... I thought it was pretty good.. like they said some buffing up of course. I would only add the voice of the Brute or whoever that guy was at the beggining... is there anyway you can make it sound a little more...erm..I guess Im looking for "real" like its not a manufactured voice.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 11:39am

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Yes, the voices were one of my main concerns as well. It seems like you talked normally and then modified it. Try talking like an elite would and then modifing that.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 1:09pm

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I use Ray Dream 3d, and also the textures colors are correct, if look at this pic. http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo2/screenshots/H2MP_Beta_MidshipFP.jpg

You will see that the floors are colored grey and the wall purple, if not a little blue.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 5:22pm

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Your right ya know that is the colour scheme as well, soz.
Cool
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Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 11:03pm

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Hey if you need any help with costumes, color schemes, or anything that runs along thoughs lines. Feel free to ask, I am pretty well verse witht the Halo world.
Posted: Fri, 4th Feb 2005, 4:45pm

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Thanks, i've got all the costumes, (made out of cardboard) and guns, I've nearly written the script and i've finished the storyboard, so every frame has a time and stuff like that, the movies gonna b about 30 mins long with 4 main characters.
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Posted: Mon, 7th Feb 2005, 3:08pm

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i must say i dont no what to think about this. i mean the animation was far past alot of us could actually do, but it wasnt up to a decent standard to be justified agaisnt the normal film. but still was entertaining. umm im not sure if this is our fault or if it is just my mac being twatty, but i found the video size quite small, and so i couldnt really make out alot of the animation figures...i got the basic idea but was hard. also the setting for the live actors, i dont no what anyone else thought, but the SFX didnt really work well in a kitchen, maybe try putting some black or grey sheets up on the walls, just to give it some futuristic look. nothing is going to look amazing because its obviously low budget, but theres no harm in making use with what you have. so good luck
Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005, 4:54pm

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If yor lookin for help on the voices (Prophet of truth) then try this http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/h2dialogue.html?cat=regret , dont use in the movie just to help you get it right.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2005, 1:54pm

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Don't use your house as a stand-in for a ship interior. If you are really serious about this as a fun project spend more time on prep. Convert a room or garage or use a green screen. Ideally get older people, ones that can act too. Space isn't full of 14 year olds smile

3D - You need higher detail models, better texturing, motion blur, camera shake etc. I know it's hard but if you want to use 3D you need to get it right.

Ambitious project though.
Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005, 9:26pm

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hey dude can you post it in quicktime to so more people can see it like me
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005, 8:17am

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POLE MARCH or whatever your name is. You are ignorant and need to go crawl into a corner somewhere please! Thank you.

PEACE OUT
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005, 5:22pm

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What's with the misdirected hostility Matt?
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005, 5:39pm

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orion0340 wrote:

What's with the misdirected hostility Matt?
Because he is the creator of this epic masterpiece.
Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2005, 8:24am

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I'm in no way hostle. I just hate it when someone critisizes the location and FX of someones film. Unless it's UTTERLY Ridiculous and looks like to work at all was put into it. He acts like this films should be some kind of hollywood cinematic blockbuster!!! Almost everyone here are amature filmmakers just trying to use what they have to make a movie. We can't all be solthar or anything like that now can we?!!!

PEACE OUT
Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2005, 9:11am

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MATT PUGH wrote:

I'm in no way hostle. I just hate it when someone critisizes the location and FX of someones film. Unless it's UTTERLY Ridiculous and looks like to work at all was put into it. He acts like this films should be some kind of hollywood cinematic blockbuster!!! Almost everyone here are amature filmmakers just trying to use what they have to make a movie. We can't all be solthar or anything like that now can we?!!!
PEACE OUT
It's hardly a surprise that people are percieving your posts as hostile, calm down. You're right, this is an Amateur film site but that does not mean that everyone that watches your work, or work of your friends will think as highly of it as you think it deserves.
Try to welcome all forms of criticism, I believe polemarch may have delivered a tough opinion but his points are all constructively valid.

Afterall, without criticism we will be nothing other than Amateur, the whole point of amateur film is to learn and have fun surely you understand that to some extent that majority of us are here to improve.
Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2005, 10:41am

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Matt, are you just itching to not improve? We are trying to help you and it is stuff that isn't hard to fix and you are screaming at us like a 7-year-old girl. :-\ Calm down and maybe listen to some of us, we are pretty smart. wink
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 4:19am

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Hahaha...aw matt..chill buddy.
Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005, 11:20am

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Whatever. It's not my film. And No I don't have a clue who the director of this film is either. I just want these top notch hollywood execs who think they are roger ebert to make their critiques less critical. That's all.


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Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 1:53am

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I swear I posted in this back in january. hmmmm .... Curse you Tarn!! hahaha biggrin biggrin
Posted: Mon, 26th Sep 2005, 1:03am

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hmm it seems like it was yesturday that i was talking about makeing a halo movie in ur chat rooms not tolong ago. I'm not saying that anyone took it. ( it was about 2 or 3 months ago) But other then that i'm giving it a 3. It wasnt great wasnt bad. but could have been better.