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Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 7:55pm

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I mentioned before i would keep you guys upto date on what MGM plans were for me to stop with the Stargate series.

I've just had a letter from them ( 2nd one ) and they said nothing will happen ( as i thought ) if i remove the copyrighted symbles and images, they agreed i could keep my masters.
they want me to remove the words on my 2 EPIC poster that says "from the makers of the series MGM banned, call it a ....gate"
They also want £100 in damages.
I called the law firm and said everything is fine but, i can't pay the £100 ( you may know i don't have a job ) I also said that the last letter from them has helped me soooo much, ( can't say much now untill stuff happens but things are moving ) I said to the lady, to be honest I would love to go to court over the £100 as the publicity would be excellent.
The end of the converstion was that the lady said " so you can't / won't make the £100 as a good will guestre" i said, if i had £100 i would have brought a better microphone.
She will get back to me when she tells MGM of my reply.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 8:42pm

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why would a company like that possibly benefit from £100, hate it when people and companies get the arse on like that, hope you sort em out.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 8:56pm

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Whilst i admire you standing up for your rights and your work against a massive corporation like MGM; when its over £100, why bother?

Your unemployment nonwithstanding, you could scrounge £100 from your mates. In fact for a person your age to not even have £100 to your name in savings, despite being able to afford software and hardware, seems extremely doubtful indeed and i suspect the court will think similarly.

Your use of the court case for publicity is clever, in theory, but in practice what do you seriously think is going to happen? It'll be settled in a 15 minute hearing where you aren't even allowed to speak and the case will be laughed out of court, with you required to pay money for flagrant copyright infringment. No press, no photographers, no nothing. In fact the local paper will probably have more newsworthy articles about Aunt Bessy from No 42's cat "Mittens" getting stuck in the tree in her back garden.

Also, the "any publicity is good publicity" concept only really applies where you're struggling to get something GOOD into the public eye, which its clear the public will (without doubt) love, watch, buy in bulk and talk about with their mates for decades, but which you're having trouble marketting yourself. I'm afraid your films aren't exactly what i'd call a "must have" item.

In summary, whilst i admire your attitude towards those fat cat bastards, to go to court over £100 is just naive and ridiculous.

ps: i'd love to be proven wrong, by the way. Nothing would please me more than to see a corporation shamed by a single man and his camcorder. It might even result in some publicity for FXHome too! - but i simply don't think its going to happen: this case is insignificant at best.

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Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 9:09pm

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Easy Xcession, I believe his attitude of "I would love to go to court" is a form of bluffing. He's playing a game.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 9:12pm

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Quite possibly, but given the tiny amount of effort that will be required for a judge to rule in favour of MGM (considering how specific and inescapable copyright law is), i worry that his bluff will be called.

Still, i'd be interested to know the outcome.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 9:14pm

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Thanks for your comments, I must address the money side.
So many people think because i have a huge tv, because i have a pc, software etc, i don't these were brought when i had money.
I do like court cases and have been to a few myself, bbcf stuff etc, and the ones where i've been taken to court and fined, i've not paid and the court have sqaushed the fine, so i have no doubt the the money will not be an issue, worst case they order me to pay and the courst as before squashes it.

The publicity couldn't have come at a better time, thanks to the last letter a magazine in the USA is doing a review on superteam and my little series 2 EPIC is being put forward to a tv company ( proberly next week ) to see if they want to buy the rights ( or what ever they have planned )

also the boys from backyard productions were on skynews all day today about there starwars film ( skynews also showed clips of their indiana jones series, That they sell on their site.!!! )
So any publicity would be great for me to contact sky news and say hay you featured fanfilms but look what can happen, eg: me.

hope this clears a few things up.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 9:30pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

i said, if i had £100 i would have brought a better microphone.
Haha, im sure MGM loved that wink
Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 10:18pm

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maybe they'll see the funny side and give you a microphone...
Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005, 11:22pm

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Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 1:06am

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So what laws did you break, exactly? Selling copyrighted material?

Keep in mind where MGM's property rights terminate. They can't make you remove words from a poster, nor can they make you destroy your tapes, but if they prove that you've caused them damage by selling your movies (doubtful, but consider it), you may have to pay a bit.

Chances are, they won't ever take you to court, to be honest.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 2:50am

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This case is too small for them to go to court for.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 5:09am

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so what company is it interested in the series?
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 7:48am

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lol which bit of this topic did you start reading from???
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 7:53am

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I'm agreeing with Xcession on this one, every single word.

Though it's unlikely you'll end up in court over this, you're playing a dangerous game and making comments that can percieved as being snidey will only provoke a "ah, sue the prink" reaction from the company.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 8:51am

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Couple things....

Timmy D, your 12 right? Im wondering whether your comment had any usefulness, or you were just trying to sound smart by repeating what has already been said.

B4uask...I have to wonder, how is it that you arent living on the street when you dont have a job?

The fact that they even asked for $100 makes me think its just an afterthought...I mean, Uberlucrative hollywood giant mgm REALLY needs that tiny sum of money? unlikely.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 12:53pm

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100 pounds is about 200$ i believe
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 1:54pm

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hi
Frozenpede, i can't say at the moment untill after the meeting, nothing might come from it, but it's being done through a producer who contacted me via one of my actors ( the guy that works for the bbc ) Don't worry you'll all be the first to know.

The money side of things, if i have to go down this road to prove to who ever wants to know is: I don't have a job, and I don't sign on, the reasons are:
1, I'm not looking for a job as I want my films to be better and thus putting more time into them.
2. i'm not signing on because i don't want to fraud benifits, i admit i'm not looking for work.
3. what my wfie has her bit of money and as long as she buys food and pays the rent i'm happy.
4. I have money before, many good jobs and at the time i brought the things i needed, now i don't need anything, sure money would help my films but if that means not filming to work then i'll film with no money.
5. My son is disabled and needs constant care and me being at home gives my wife the break she needs to do other things.


I don't really want to "stick it to MGM" as they are right that i used their logo's ( please stop thinking about selling, it was never about that ) i've seen 5 other film makers that are making stargate films, i won't grass on them, it's just i honestly can't pay £100 and I wouldn't mind the publicity.
Now that backyard productions was on sky news you can see that Xcession is wrong and that the news company might be interested in my story.

I didn't post on here to anger anyone, i just thought many of you do tests or fanfilms and would like to know.
If my attitude towards the courts makes you think i'm bad or whatever then i'm sorry but that's just me.
Would you like to know the outcome of this mgm thing ?
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 5:47pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

hi
3. what my wfie has her bit of money and as long as she buys food and pays the rent i'm happy.
That could cause some arguements, it sounds like "I've got what I want so now I've quit and my wife can do the rest" biggrin

I think you're doing the right thing anyway, it's very ignorant of a company like that to demand such a crappy amount of money over something so innocent and simple.

I'm not sure that news crews would be so interested in this though, maybe the local school paper but I dunno.

All is good though if everything goes to your plan which I hope it does.

Good luck, and get a job you bum! (joking btw, good for you!)
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 7:33pm

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thanks nutty.

I have ot say, your website ROCKS.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005, 9:26pm

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hehe thanks biggrin
Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005, 7:02pm

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Just got another letter from the law firm,

MGM have agreed not to pursue the matter of money etc, if I remove anything that says MGM have stopped a little film maker from making films about his on screen hero's.

So there you have it, as I guessed would happen the bad publicity for them is too much and they have had to swallow the costs to the law firm.

A happy ending really because if it wasn't for this whole MGM thing I wouldn't have started my own original series and i'd proberly be on "call it a stargate number 34" by now. smile
Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005, 7:09pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

Just got another letter from the law firm,

MGM have agreed not to pursue the matter of money etc, if I remove anything that says MGM have stopped a little film maker from making films about his on screen hero's.

So there you have it, as I guessed would happen the bad publicity for them is too much and they have had to swallow the costs to the law firm.

A happy ending really because if it wasn't for this whole MGM thing I wouldn't have started my own original series and i'd proberly be on "call it a stargate number 34" by now. smile
But......ok, and don't be all angry........is your show really so important that you exercise your rights to such an extreme? I mean, is it not just a minor, homemade production? Why not let it go?
Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005, 7:13pm

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atom wrote:

b4uask30male wrote:

Just got another letter from the law firm,

MGM have agreed not to pursue the matter of money etc, if I remove anything that says MGM have stopped a little film maker from making films about his on screen hero's.

So there you have it, as I guessed would happen the bad publicity for them is too much and they have had to swallow the costs to the law firm.

A happy ending really because if it wasn't for this whole MGM thing I wouldn't have started my own original series and i'd proberly be on "call it a stargate number 34" by now. smile
But......ok, and don't be all angry........is your show really so important that you exercise your rights to such an extreme? I mean, is it not just a minor, homemade production? Why not let it go?
What the hell are you on about?? crazy
He said they don't want any money and the whole thing's over. Is this: smile
the face of an angry person.

Seriously though, it's really good that they're not persuing this. I really have to watch 2 Epic soon...
Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005, 7:58pm

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atom, thanks for you comments,
I would normaly agree about letting them go, but there was 5 episodes in total and now others are making them ( 5 other people are making stargate fanfilms ) so yeah little sad that mine are the ones to go sad
They were really well recieved on net, so that makes it a little harder.

But I'm going to comply ( i honestly didn't have the 100 pounds ) and I'll take with me the fans i got from the series and the thought of making it big with my own series ( one can only but dream )

All good, no complaints from me.
Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005, 9:18pm

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Rawree wrote:

atom wrote:

b4uask30male wrote:

Just got another letter from the law firm,

MGM have agreed not to pursue the matter of money etc, if I remove anything that says MGM have stopped a little film maker from making films about his on screen hero's.

So there you have it, as I guessed would happen the bad publicity for them is too much and they have had to swallow the costs to the law firm.

A happy ending really because if it wasn't for this whole MGM thing I wouldn't have started my own original series and i'd proberly be on "call it a stargate number 34" by now. smile
But......ok, and don't be all angry........is your show really so important that you exercise your rights to such an extreme? I mean, is it not just a minor, homemade production? Why not let it go?
What the hell are you on about?? crazy
He said they don't want any money and the whole thing's over. Is this: smile
the face of an angry person.

Seriously though, it's really good that they're not persuing this. I really have to watch 2 Epic soon...
Yeah, but I was writing my post when he posted that, so it didn't show up until after I posted. Anyway, congrats, b4uask.
Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005, 9:34pm

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Thanks
I think it's good to know as so many people out there make fan films ( or even tests ) that's it's nice to really know someone that it's happened to.
I heard before that joe bloggs got sued for millions or joe bloggs had all his equiptment taken, so it's nice to be able to hear direct from someone that has had it happen to them.

All good stuff, no regrets here.
Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005, 10:42am

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Hi
This is interesting, just been dealing with the law firm, asking them to amend the "letter" so that in the future if someone brings up my stargate series I won't be held accounatable.

Anyway it turns out that because I had my name and address on my website they took action, if I never put that ( just as the other fan films of stargate ) then there was nothing they could do due to the internation laws and the internet date protection act.

So, the bottom line is, if you make a fan film, Don't put your name and address on your site and there's nothing they can do.
Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005, 12:31pm

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I'm sure it's not so clear-cut as that. If they really do frown on fan-films & it is contravening copyrights they hold, then they can lawfully find out the name & address of anyone. E.g. another scenario would be someone offering copyright mp3s to download from their site, & don't have their address displayed on their site - that's hardly going to stop them from tracking that person down is it? Maybe you're right, though, & MGM lawyers wouldn't have bothered if your address hadn't been displayed for them.