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Brotherhood of the Cold Steel

Posted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005, 10:33am

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Rating: +1

This is our very first film submitted into FXHome.com - However, you may notice that the compression of the film is somewhat bad quality considering the file size since it is about 23 minutes long. I did follow the compression thread that HybridHalo posted.. but still, it came out with the results you see here. Until I find a way so that the film is original quality (which was real good, considering I filmed it on a 3CCD camera, I am going to have to do some research following that). Anyhow, the movie takes place in 1864 near the end of the American Civil War. The battles we filmed are ficticious, but the officers are based on real people. Furthermore, I was real happy with the results and do hope to film a sequal some day. I would also like to thank Edgen Animations for letting me use your music, thanks Justin!

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Posted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005, 1:41pm

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The scale of this is very ambitious, & credit for that. You did a lot to use authentic costumes, & your acting & scripting were pretty good too. Nice locations as well.

The camerawork was sometimes great, sometimes it was bad (e.g. shaky), but there were some composition of shots that told me you knew what you were doing.

You were of course limited by the fact that you could rarely have members of the 2 armies appear onscreen at the same time, & also that neither army never looked that big. You could have found ways around that, e.g. filming some scenes on a tripod & masking both armies into one shot so they looked bigger. The downside to you only having a few actors is that a lot of it looked very repetitious, army troops running & shooting & then cut to other army troops running & shooting.

On the whole though, I can appreciate the amount of effort that went into this.

Next time, work a bit harder on camerawork (try keeping the camera on a monopod & film handheld with it attached - it weighs the camera down & results in smoother shots), framing of actors & maybe also use a better mic for dialogue & it should be good.

You're right about the quality, doesn't look that great. You could try using Windows Media Encoder (free from their website) which compresses well for 3ccd.

Look forward to your next one
Posted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005, 1:50pm

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First of all, kudos for the amount of work that's been put into this. The costumes and choice of locations are definate 5 star work. Very well done. It's great to see people putting effort into these parts of filmmaking and this shows how important it is!


On the other hand though, the rest of the movie cannot hold up to the costumes and locations. sad

The chosen cameraangles are, with a few exceptions, quite random. I never got the feeling that there has been actual thought been put into them. It has continuity errors, backlight shots, wobbly handcamera, eyeline errors and random zooms back and forth.
Same goes for the editing, wich is overall well done in the actionsequences, but appear as random in the narrative sequences of the movie. And again, there's continuity errors there.

The music felt mostly disconnected to the movie for me. Like tracks vaguely fitting the momentaneous mood placed, but then running for too long and getting disconnected until a new track sets in, again fitting the first moment but then getting disconnected after a while.


If more effort had gone into the camera and editing work, it would have also made the locations and costumes look better. And you would have had a visually stunning movie with a credibility almost nothing in the fxhome cinema has. But the way it is now, it appears like an odd mixture of a bit randomly filmed backyard films like we have tons of, but with great costumes and locations we almost have none of.

Narratively, the film didn't work for me either. Maybe because of the music. I could never really spot what feeling you wanted to create. Sometime, there's normal average day dialogue underlined with overly dramatic music, then theres heroic music going with an enemy attack, sad music when people talk about that nothing happened etc.


I'm looking forward to your next film, because I can see that there's talent there in certain places. If you look into basic rules of drama, music, camera and editing, I'm sure we have a new Top10 candidate filmmaker.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005, 1:54pm

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Mellifluous~

Yes. Thank you very much for the nice words of encouragement. I will for sure take your camera tips for consideration on our next film. And also yes, we did have a problem with both armies because once we filmed a Union scene, we would go back and change into Confederate costumes and shoot from there. I still have not aquired the ability to mask armies together... I really wish I did because it would make the film so much more interersting.

We did tend to shake the camera at some points in the film, and there were times when we actually shaked it a little to much. I will look into keeping the camera on a monopod - I am glad you said that, it will help us in the long run.

I will also look into that Windows Media Encoder. Perhaps I will run it through that sometime tonight.

Anyways, thank you Mellifluous for the reply. Like I said, it will help us in the long run biggrin

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Posted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005, 2:04pm

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Sollthar ~

Very much so. I am glad all of you are actually writing the truth, because in the real world when I show this film all I get is compliments.. but it is always good to get the oppisite so that I know what to do and dont in the future. But yes, I will look into my music scores in the sequel so that I can figure which one will go where.

Furthermore, I will work on my editing ability for the next film and work on a more comprehensive story/script. Thanks for the reply.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005, 2:14pm

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The compliments are well deserved! Because seriously, from costume and location choice, this is amongst the best on here!

And the fact that the other points stood out and are mentioned is also a result of the clear impression, that there is real talent and it will be worth looking into these aspects.
Rather than many of the fxhome films where you don't really bother if the camerawork or editing is pro or not, because it wouldn't really make a big difference anyways.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Mar 2005, 12:53am

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I thought this movie was great! The music and costumes both!
Posted: Thu, 3rd Mar 2005, 2:26pm

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Ill download it tonight...its huge. I have to know before I do though to make sure its worth watching....south wins right? wink haha

looking forward to seeing it
Posted: Thu, 3rd Mar 2005, 7:00pm

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Don't suppose you got a smaller version. I'm downloading it now, but I know my computer probably won't be able to handle it. Can't play anything that's too big a filesize. It's a Bolo.

If it works I'll say "yeah great" or "it sucks manflesh" depending, but I'll probably need a lower quality version to catch it properly on my computer (I believe it's the same computer they designed Stonehenge with) so if you've got a small version that'd be cool. I'd like to see it, this looks like a good 'un.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Mar 2005, 11:04pm

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Stipek,

Well, I gave this a four based on your production qualities, ie. the costumes and locations. I can't imagine the organization that was needed to coordinate your cast and location shooting. I do agree with what others have said about camera angles and some odd zooming. The lighting was generally above average as was most of the dialog audio. One small thing I might add is that I think your titling for the different character names and rank should be of an older looking font. The ones you used looked too newish, though that did make them easier to read of course. The constant music was a bit distracting as well. All-in-all this was quite impressive. Tell us a little about how you organized so many people. Were these reenactment actors? I think the money shot was the guy getting his lower leg shot out. The muzzle flashes have nice black smoke, which would be appropriate for those type of weapons, but the bright spark was not quite right somehow. Can you tell us something about the equipment you used, both audio and camera? I look forward to more of your productions.
Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005, 10:16pm

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hey i have not been able to watch your movie all the way because for some reseon it plays, BUT it plays realy really glitchy, like i can hear the sound playing but the video is trying to catch up. and i know its not my comp because i had nothing else up and i downlaoded the intire thing. so i was wondering if you could make a .mov version? thanks that would be great if you could. i really want to see this playing at its best. wink
Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005, 10:19pm

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if you plan to compress again then put it down to around 320x240 or along those lines, i had a video which was ten minutes long and 190mb, using hybrids method i brought it down to 10mb so it's do-able.
I'm downloading the video at the moment cant wait looks really good!!
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Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005, 12:10am

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Very good film, I gave this film a five because it's always great seeing something different then young kids running around in there backyard with lightsabers, lol. I am also a history buff and know alot of the American Civil War, so alot of the officers in the film i am familiar with. Good battle scenes, the only fault i saw was probably the shakey camera. Other then that, great work gentlemen. I'm looking forward to seeing the sequal.
Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005, 3:14am

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ragnar wrote:

Stipek,

Can you tell us something about the equipment you used, both audio and camera? I look forward to more of your productions.
Hello Ragnar! Thank you for the wonderful reply and vote, appreciate it!
The equipment used to make the film was my Panasonic 3CCD PV-GS120. We didn't use any boom mic'd sound because there was none available at the time. The audio is directly captured from my camera using 16-bit. As far as costumes go, those were all exclusively made for us. And yes, it was expensive.

We did buy a ton of materials to make the film. Most all the guns you saw in that film are all real, and a few were fake. When you see a person die in that film, especially a dramatic death, they are holding the fake guns fearing using the real ones can damage them etc.

Furthermore, thanks for the reply!
Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2005, 12:10pm

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Very good film. You have talent for epic szenes.
But there are two things I would change at the next time: At first the duration of the fights. They were good but a bit long during the time...
And the second task is the musik. You used this monumeltal Sountrack, but if you use it to often the effect os over. It would be better if you take this musik only for the highlight of the battle. And in the fights you push up the tension if you have variations in the strategie.

As a whole well done. I expect your next movie...
Give you 4.
Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2005, 6:12am

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really nice...and funny too , cause i made a movie a "little" similar ( Rebellion of the french canadian in quebec in 1837) ....
and i ll like to know ...how you made those musket effect ?
Wich plugin did you used ? ...i really like them hehe ....

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Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2005, 6:37pm

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As expected it doesn't work very well all jumpy and stuff. If you have that smaller version it'd be much appreciated. Looks good.
Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2005, 11:28pm

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Hey man, I just gotta ask you this one thing. What effect/plug-in were you using for the blood-squirting? It looks really good, especially when the second soldier on guard in the beginning is shot. I'd really like to know. Great movie by the way, I gave it a four.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 2:03am

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TiCy ~

It is called BloodSplat1 by Sollthar (http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/info_cache/plugin1432.html)

BTW, thanks for the vote!

- Jesse
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 7:40am

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I'm a fellow reenactor, I reenact the second World War however. If someone would like to see my WWII film instand message me on AIM @ "hardcoredkrider". great job guys, I really admire a historic aspect to military films.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 4:31pm

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TiCy

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punkmisfit, so, is it any good (honestly)? Is it as detailed as this one with all the correct uniforms (excepts the sneakers on some people ;P) etc.? I don't have AIM, don't you got MSN Messenger?
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 4:37pm

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Hey, by the way, do you got MSN Stipek? I'd like to discuss the movie, ask you a couple of things. You can find me on MSN with a.sildemark@gmail.com
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 7:42pm

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Our uniforms are 100% correct. We modled the action after Band of brothers and Saving Private Ryan. We also had real explosions and real rifles firing blanks. I'll get MSN right now and give you my screen name.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 7:52pm

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I also borrowed that civil war love poem idea from Art of the Sabre in my second WWII film. A little sneaky I guess but I liked the poem a lot and using it in a WWII backdrop seemed more appropriate than Star Wars. My screen name for msn is this following email address... "hardcoredkrider@hotmail.com"

I'll compress both films so you can see them.
Danny
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 8:12pm

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I get home from class at 5 eastern time. hit me up then and I'll send you a copy.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 8:32pm

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Just so you know, there is such a thing as the edit button.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:17pm

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TiCy

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Well, depends. If you go to the movies page where you will find the downloads for it (like I did), there isn't any edit-button. Therefore, I posted two messages after eachother. Maybe punkmisfit did the same thing?
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 10:28pm

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punkmisfitsguy

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Yeah thats where I post from
Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005, 1:11am

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TiCy wrote:

Hey, by the way, do you got MSN Stipek? I'd like to discuss the movie, ask you a couple of things. You can find me on MSN with a.sildemark@gmail.com
I do have MSN. tricofilms@hotmail.com