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Order of the Sith: Vengeance

Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2005, 3:15pm

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Featuring Dave Prowse, Jeremy Bulloch and Michael Sheard, the second film in the Order of the Sith trilogy, Vengeance, is now online.

Please visit http://www.orderofthesith.net and click on the banner to donate to Save the Children if you like the film.

Hope you all like it! Thanks!


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Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2005, 3:57pm

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good movie. was really funny and good. You did realy good job with the 3D backround. It was from the game, wasn't it? Really good. One thing? What was about the woman??
Give ya 3 or 4
Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2005, 4:19pm

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I'm not a huge fan of Star wars fan films, they all seem to copy word for word the original films, but i gave this a try.

Some good lightsabre effects, i'd love to see the size of your green/bluescreen ( any pics )
Lots of storm troopers smile
the only thing that i felt could have been better is the main hero's acting..
very well put together with the backgrounds, I'd have to say WELL DONE.
( p.s. more girl please wink

5/5 from me
Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2005, 5:41pm

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Whats wrong with my acting!?!?!?!?! heehee - thanks for your comments, people are really enjoying this one I'm pleased to say. And dont worry, Rachael will be returning for the 3rd one, along with Misters Bulloch, Prowse, Sheard, Stormtroopers and some more surprises.........
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 2:29am

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Impressive effects... I did notice the Jedi Knight backrounds tho hehe. I got lost somewhere in the plot, next time, make it a little more clearer of what your trying to show the audience. Furthermore, I did like your costumes and effects.

3/5
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 2:41am

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Very Amuzing squeal to "Order of the Sith" .I love how you used the LucasArts video game's engine's for your back drop's the only Query i had was about that women and with her Motive's if she was a sith or just a female bounty hunter but i guess we'll have to wait for the next exciting Adventure's of pilot Fuser

btw i like the rodian character scene with his sandwich or space pie R.I.P
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 2:45am

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Where to begin? Well, that is a lot of work and effort you put into your movie and it shows. It is a hit and miss affair and here are my comments:

Auido: Dialog hard to hear at times, though Star Wars effects audio was well done.

CGI: I couldn't do that myself and imagine it must be difficult. Some of it looked very good.

Bluescreening: Generally looked good. You must have had a big bluescreen.

Comedy: I give that a 3 or 5. Good at times. I have to admit I liked his copilot the best. Also, his voice was really good. A 5 on his voice effect.

Production Values: This is where you shine. Organizing all of those people and props into something coherent is admirable. That in itself earns you a 5 from me. We have to keep this in perspective, I understand. Just because a hollywood movie is BIG doesn't mean it is good, but we film-makers at Alam are not Hollywood and anyone that pulls off a big production like yours deserves credit for it.

Darth's Voice: It somehow got better as the movie went along. Well done on the voice effect there as well.

Fight Scenes: Not that good. 2 of 5. Slow with awkward pacing.

Acting: It's too bad his father appeared in the last scene as he clearly is the best actor in the entire piece. You've got to get him more involved.

I love Trek and Star Wars and Sci-Fi in general so I love commenting on this stuff, as you can see. I hope you post more.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:38am

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Thanks again for all your comments! Too right Jeremy is the best actor in the film - after 3 James Bond films, 3 x Star Wars and 40 years of other stuff too, he totally outshines us. It was brilliant watching him I can tell you!
As for the young lady, she will be back.........

Glad you like the greenscreening too - it was very tricky at times. The screen was about 20ft x 8ft on the wall, and 20ft x 10ft on the floor - so quite large. I'm very lucky I have a huge warehouse to do it in.
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Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 1:16pm

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Nice movie here smile

Great idea to use backgrounds from Jedi Knight, it turned out better then I would assume (even thought it was not so realistic)! Nice costumes, but stormtroopers armor is best smile Exactly as in the original movies. Vader was good too. Rodian co-pilot brought me a lot of fun biggrin Great character, some things involving him were hilarous hugegrin I think his sounds were from Jedi Knight too? Anyway - they sounded great!

Thing that I didn't like the most, was lightsaber illuminating things from behind, I mean: a lightsaber, behind actors head for example, glows ON it, as if it was between head and screen. It is a detail, but I've seen this in several fanfilms, so I mention it. I spend myself a LOT of not-so-merry time masking this in my last movie, and probably I'm gonna repeat this soon, as AlamDV3 is out smile Anyway - I also had problems hearing some dialogs clearly, even though most was OK. In few shots I noticed distortion around actor, resulting in use of greenscreen, but again - mostly was OK. As for choreography - nothing special, I would say: it was there, some parts were nice, some, let's say - not so nice wink Space battle was quite good, some nice shots here, but 3-D wasn't really realistic (yeah - I know it's hard thing). Lightdaggers were nice idea I liked.

And of course - congratulations on gathering these people - Prowse & company razz This surely counts! clap clap clap

Good luck with your next projects!
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 2:19pm

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It's really very, very easy to do the light spill/glow effect in AlamDV3. I've been dabbling with it in the beta, and it looks great.

The Rodian copilot is also my favourite thing about Order of the Sith. His eating technique is sheer genius. smile
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 2:53pm

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Glad you all like Sni'G'Gly'Poh - the Rodian - his eating was done by cunning means of a piece of string tied to the inside of his snout, and me crouching down behind pulling it. Could hardly stop laughing.......
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 2:53pm

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Nice! Even though I don't like Star Wars very much, this made me want to create a greenscreen movie! biggrin I noticed that there was some green colors around the actors, maybe you forgot to use Spill Supression? Anyways I enjoyed the movie...looking forward to another one! (If there comes any)

From me you get 4 of 5
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 2:56pm

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Didnt forget the spill suppression - it was partly due to bad lighting, partly a bright orange jumpsuit, and partly inadequate skill with Chromanator (me, not the program). I got better as I went along though!
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 7:28pm

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i applaud you, that was good.

Someone who actually plays the games for once instead of making it about the same old films or whatever, glad to see it, but the lightsaber battles were cool with the clones and all but a bit shoddy at times.

Cant wait to see the final installment!!!

4/5
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 8:19pm

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Well done.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 10:59pm

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I have to say, the overall production of this movie is really impressive.
I laughed a lot during the begining because of the fighting. Hilarious stuff.
I also had a hard time hearing what the characters were saying and the acting was really bad. Especially from the commander who was in the last film. If I were you I would fire him. Just completely exclude him from my production team. But that's just me.
As far as plot, I didn't really understand what was going on, just like the last one.
The costumes were perfect as usual (I'm not saying that makes it a good film, but hey), and the green screen was allright. There were some uneccessary shots, but I felt like the movie was pretty well put together in terms of direction.
It was kind of like a good job on the most normal movie possible, if that makes any sense.

Overall, I think you did a good job. I would just like to see more expressive acting, better script, more unique in terms of setting, instead of being completely reliant on green screen and old Lucas Arts games, and some uniqueness as far as directing of shots. They are both hilarious, but not entertaining as a film. And I wouldn't use either of them as examples of what I consider to be "good" shorts.
3/5
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 11:41pm

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hahaha did you use the term "Dont Panic" intentionally right before the tractor beam/thing hit?

...fan of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy? wink

Otherwise... that was pretty freaken hiliarious
Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005, 1:34am

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Order of th Sith= "I WANT FUSER NOW!!!!!"
Echo in out space= NOW NOW!!!!

Classic i loved it biggrin

and his returning roll. You couldnt make a squeal without him smile
.....Well you could but it would n't be the same razz
Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005, 12:41am

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Echo what others said:

Didn't have a clue what was going on
Shame about the green lines round people
Some bad acting - except the father at the end

Nice costumes
Rodian was funny - ESPECIALLY the eating!
Space battle part was cool. Nice quick cuts and action


But overall, I couldn't get into it. It was jumping around from place to place with loads of stuff happening that I couldn't connect with. Sorry.

Adam.
Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005, 3:22pm

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Hi again! Many thanks for your comments - the feedback is appreciated.
Sorry if the film is a bit confusing - it is difficult to view your own work through the eyes of a newcomer, and of course everyone I know knows what is going on also. Having said that, I do favour a sort of fast 'what the hell happened' kind of feel to things - maybe I trimmed too much of the 'exposition' between scenes. However, I cant see which bits arent clear, except for Rachael (and this is intentional) - it does tie in with the first one though......which bits 'confused' you? (just so I know for next time)

And we know about the acting . We think we are up to the same standard as many of the actors in the official Star Wars films (think Captain Panaka and so on), so if terrible acting is good enough for George...... smile

As an brief indication though, we've had 11000 downloads in our first week, and it looks like we've done over $1000 for Save the Children - so we are really really pleased!!!
Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005, 3:32pm

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Great news Fuser, glad to hear the movie and fundraising are doing well!
Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005, 6:42pm

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Fuser wrote:

Didnt forget the spill suppression - it was partly due to bad lighting, partly a bright orange jumpsuit, and partly inadequate skill with Chromanator (me, not the program). I got better as I went along though!
Yeah, that happens to me too. Too bad lightning all the time. but still great movie n story wink
Posted: Fri, 11th Mar 2005, 5:00pm

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That was freaking hilarious. You guys have a good team there. I love the deapan delivery of everyone but the good guys, lol. It also brought me back to the old days of Jedi Knight, and that made me fall on the floor... lol. Anyway, I think the acting could be excused if you just convince the audience that it IS a farce, and comedy lies at the heart of it. I thought there were some really great jokes in there, but it seemed like no one really wanted to admit that they were joking. Maybe for the script of the next one, emphasize the main character as being a sort of goof-ball jedi. He's not realy good or bad, which could be really cool. The part in the interrogation, I suddenly felt the urge to see Vader get slapped, or taunted by the main guy. Maybe the Rodan could be eating a different item in each shot, like a sloppy Joe, or a bannana. The whole lightsabre elevator sequence (great move!), but I thought when vader turned around, he could have done something silly and desperate (like flap vader's cape over the helmet, kick his butt and run, lol). These are just examples though. I think if you embrace your sense of humor a little more, and exaggerate it, people won't complain about the acting, because they'll be enjoying too much.
Needless to say, I saw what you were going for, and I freaking loved it- you guys are great, I can't wait to see the next one... lol
Still laughing at that Rodan... lol
Posted: Fri, 11th Mar 2005, 7:25pm

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Well the overall idea is to lace it with humour, but play it straight. I dont like it to be too obviously a farce - although I love the idea about Vaders cape: should have done that! Besides, I punched Vader in the last one!
Glad you liked it !
Posted: Fri, 11th Mar 2005, 11:47pm

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Good effort, it's certainly impressive that you got these actors & some good costumes. Nice 3d too. I would have liked a better story, that's where I felt this failed. I can understand the huge effort that went into this though. Look forward to more from you smile
Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005, 1:58pm

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I really liked this one, usually I can't watch a star wars fan flick for more than a couple minutes, but this one grabbed my attention for the whole film. I liked that even though there were somethings that could be improved on, it came together nicely as a whole. Liked that costumes a lot, mad props to you for that, overall the keying was good, you could have benefited from color-correction to match up the different shots. You're 3d work wasn't the best I've seen, however, I don't think it took away from the film at all. Even with the mediocre CG, the film was really effective for me.

Worst thing about the film?

Sound! Sound! Sound! This was pretty much the only thing that cheapened the experience as a whole. It's a real shame too because you had some pretty talented actors. I would have especially liked to hear the Rebel Commander(His Father) better- His acting gave the whole thing some leverage.

Sound is really simple, get a Boom mic (buy it new or used, or have the opportunity rent one from your school) If you can't locate a boom mic try and get your hands on a unidirectional mic:
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&catalog_name=CTLG&category_name=CTLG_006_004_004_001&product_id=33-3018

Then you'll need to put you mic on a boom pole of some sorts, either a specially designed boom pole or else be creative. I used a telescoping golf ball retriever for the filming of one of my movies:
http://www.golfaids.co.uk/acatalog/w301picx.jpg
That's probably cheaper than a specially designed pole.

Then you'll need a shock-mount to attach the boom pole to the mic. A while back Aculag wrote a pretty good tute on making your own for next to nothing:
http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9842&highlight=shock+mount

And as always wear head phones connected to your camera or sound recording device. It is crucial that you monitor the sound to control the levels and hear problems before you're in post.

Can't wait to see your next film!
Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005, 6:14pm

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Thanks for your comments again! I agree about the sound - it was the best I could do with the recordings taken. Due to the nature of my visits to the 'Stars' it was very tricky to take the whole recording setup. Mainly cos I didnt have one to be honest - I didnt realise the sound from the camcorder was going to be sooooooo bad. Still - never mind - lots of things to improve for the finale!
Posted: Thu, 24th Mar 2005, 5:33pm

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For a CG it looks okay. You have nothing on Industrial Lights & Magic. I liked the story concept. I disliked the ol'outline of our main character showing everyone this is in fact green screening. Even Pinnacle Studio can get rid of the outlines. Why did you use the Millenium Falcon, why not a ship of your own design? I liked the soundtrack. How many copyright laws did you break?

Overall Good work and Keep it Up!


Greg
Posted: Thu, 24th Mar 2005, 7:19pm

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As long as he doesn't sell it he's not breaking any laws.
As far as I understand it anyway....
Posted: Tue, 29th Mar 2005, 9:01pm

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Thats right - no copyright laws broken, as Lucasfilm are one of the few companies that allow fanfilms to use copyrighted stuff. Think about it - ALL SW stuff is copyrighted - its all Lucas IP. But he lets us do it - and good on him!

As for using the Falcon - its simple - I wanted to fly it!
Posted: Tue, 29th Mar 2005, 11:38pm

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Just wondering... Has anyone ever *seen* an official Lucasfilm announcement about using their copyrighted materials in a fanfilm? Because everyone seems to say that it's okay but I've never seen anything from Lucasfilm themselves. I'm just wondering if it's become a bit of an urban myth! :-)

(Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a swipe at your film, Fuser, this is just me pondering...)

The closest statement I've ever seen to being from Lucasfilm is the contest rules at the official SW AtomFilms contest (sponsored by Lucasfilm). So, clearly, we can see that they accept SW fanfilms, but if you had the chance to read the contest rules (submissions are closed now), it stated something like: "You may not use Lucasfilm copyrighted video or music in your submission." They restricted submissions to be basically parodies/mockumentaries.

I guess there's also the argument that Lucasfilm aren't cracking down on SW fanfilms that use copyrighted material, which is a fair point, but it's hardly a water-tight argument. It's like assuming that something is okay just because the authorities aren't enforcing it.
Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2005, 3:07pm

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There was a huuuuuuuge fandangle with one of the first fanfilms to come out, that resulted in it being taken off the web. So Lucasfilm did prohibit fanfilms at one point. I guess they just realised that fanfilms would be made regardless. Besides, George is very keen on encouraging young film-makers. He has his own institutes teaching it.
If Lucasfilm were bothered, things would have been stopped by now. It isnt hurting them in any way as nobody is making money at it.
They do, for example, crack down on people selling their homemade props and stuff. One Stormtrooper Armour guy recently got locked up and fined...... so they do keep sort of an eye out.

Also, all 3 OT cast members seemed quite knowledgable about the whole thing, and as long as they weren't playing the characters they portrayed in SW, and as long as I didnt sell the film, they were happy.

As I said - if George was bothered, he'd have stopped us all by now!
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This was pretty good. 3/5 From my end. Keep up the good work.
Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2007, 1:44am

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that was amazing, ive never seen a good star wars comedy. 5 stars from me
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oh and to answer that it dousnt matter, he wouldnt sue any way because we are not stealing his idea or making money off of it. And if he did he probably wouldnt win the case in court.

But George lucas is a big supporter of fan films, so there isnt need to worry
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I thought The guy readind the script at the begginig was funny. Better than readin words scrolling up the screen wink
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jun 2007, 4:05pm

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io thought the part were the jedi was running from the darth mauls was funny
Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007, 8:22pm

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how did you do the lift
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the alien dude next to the jedi starfighter guy with the donught was funny