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How many Mac/Windows Users do we have here?

How many Mac Users are here?

Are you a Mac user? MacOS 9.10%[ 0 ]
Are you a Mac user? MacOS X28%[ 20 ]
Are you a Windows user? XP72%[ 51 ]

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Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:19pm

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Hi

I was just wondering how many Mac users and Windows users we have here?

Just to get a birds eye view...

Anyone who wishes to specify, which windows OS FXHome applications work best on please let us know.

Thanks for taking the time...
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:20pm

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Uh.... I had a few more questions but for some reason they didn't show up on poll... humm...
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:23pm

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im a ms-dos usier myself
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:41pm

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I use a custom OS that I designed myself. It's a combination of DOS, Linux, and Unix. I can use every version of every software ever developed, although I don't do it. And I can also play video games from major consoles (disc using ones, so PS2, XBox, Gamecube) flawlessly.

Best thing ever, man.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:48pm

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I use Windows XP.

For the current versions of programs it's obvious that AlamdV2 works better on windows (it doesn't work well in OS X), although Chromy, AlamDV3, and someday Digigrade will run just as good on any platform. It's just a matter of taste.


Now let's wait till TimmyD gets here and the fun starts smile
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:56pm

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I use mac. This is where i stop talking... eek
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 9:58pm

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*Stops holding his breath*
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 10:55pm

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I use Windows XP. Before that, I used 98SE, 98, 3.11, then 3.1. I've almost always used some version of Windows.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 10:56pm

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mac is for hippes and windows is for gay people. It's that simple
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 10:59pm

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Waser wrote:

mac is for hippes and windows is for gay people. It's that simple
So I guess my operating system is for gay hippy lawyers. Because... you know, lawyers use linux...
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 11:00pm

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Aculag wrote:

I use a custom OS that I designed myself. It's a combination of DOS, Linux, and Unix. I can use every version of every software ever developed, although I don't do it. And I can also play video games from major consoles (disc using ones, so PS2, XBox, Gamecube) flawlessly.

Best thing ever, man.
Aculag... Man I respect you!!!

Could you show a few screen shots of your environment?

YOU = RESPECT!!!

PS. I have a Gamecube and I cannot make my driver (pioneer read the discs) How can yours or rather what kind of DVD player/burner do you have?
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 11:01pm

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Aculag wrote:

I use a custom OS that I designed myself. It's a combination of DOS, Linux, and Unix. I can use every version of every software ever developed, although I don't do it. And I can also play video games from major consoles (disc using ones, so PS2, XBox, Gamecube) flawlessly.

Best thing ever, man.
I will buy one thousand copies.

I use Windows.
Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005, 11:37pm

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Sisko Kid wrote:

Aculag wrote:

I use a custom OS that I designed myself. It's a combination of DOS, Linux, and Unix. I can use every version of every software ever developed, although I don't do it. And I can also play video games from major consoles (disc using ones, so PS2, XBox, Gamecube) flawlessly.

Best thing ever, man.
Aculag... Man I respect you!!!

Could you show a few screen shots of your environment?

YOU = RESPECT!!!

PS. I have a Gamecube and I cannot make my driver (pioneer read the discs) How can yours or rather what kind of DVD player/burner do you have?
Ah but he was being sarcastic smile
Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005, 12:40am

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Well I'm sort of a dual user, but I don't think my laptop that doesn't even have a firewire port counts. Besides, when I have a G5 why would I want to use a 2.0 Celeron? eek
Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005, 1:55am

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I use Windows since everything I need to do can be done well on Windows without problem.

EDIT: Ouch. Needed to correct my atrocious grammar.

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Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005, 2:03am

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I use both, don't know why there weren't more options... Anywho, yeah. OSX is awesome, but they are expensive if you want them to run well. XP, no complaints, just not as fast for like searching, and weird layout for everythin. Some random files located in visible places that I have no idea what they do etc. But the one I am getting will run so well and fast, I will never use my iMac again.
Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005, 10:22am

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Wow, I really thought we were more here. Well for one I thought there would be more Mac users, but in general I thought we were a larger community...

I guess after the press release of the new AlamDV 3, we'll grow and as for the Mac users I understand in a way why we are so few in numbers...

Most of us have gone over to MacOS X a long time ago and I think not being able to use this awesome application is a reason why we are so few. However, I think more Mac users will jump on board when the OSX version comes out.

Thanks for taking part in this little survey...
Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005, 8:49pm

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Does it matter which operating system we use? Mac or Windows, Gates gets the money either way. eek
Posted: Fri, 11th Mar 2005, 10:07am

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I don't like Gates...

So that is not why I made this survey. I am doing an article on FXHome. I needed the input. But it is not very clear... So far it looks like we are very few here...

Anyway, I'll tell you later more about what reasons I had to ask these questions...
Posted: Fri, 11th Mar 2005, 10:14am

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Aculag: i would like to buy 10 units of your miracle OS. Pray what is its name? "rOSxor"?, "wootOS"?

I read in the specs somewhere, that it can butter my toast, perform open heart surgery and write posts to forums which are so sarcastic they get taken for the truth ... all while in 'hibernate'.
Posted: Fri, 11th Mar 2005, 10:29am

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Sisko Kid should give Aculag's OS as an option. Aculag: still waiting for those screenshots of your environment...
Posted: Sat, 12th Mar 2005, 12:11am

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Mellifluous wrote:

Sisko Kid should give Aculag's OS as an option. Aculag: still waiting for those screenshots of your environment...
geeezzz I was dumb enough to fall for it. But then again I have met some real wise guys who were making their own OS, though I never figured out why the heck they would do that but hey. We all have our hobbies. I just like to have mind come with a 30 day hotline and support. wink

Still my OS does tell jokes... Only they are not that damn funny...

Anyone see the new Star Wars Trailer!!! Wow it looks so cool.. Cannot wait to see it...!!
Posted: Sat, 12th Mar 2005, 12:33am

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I'm on a Dell 4150 notebook, but, as I sit here typing on an on/off-working keyboard, with my drives falling out of bays, my screen (just TODAY this happened) dettached completely on one side, (and flickering often) and my battery AND charger not working, I'm highly thinking of becoming a Mac user.

This is one of the BIGGEST PIECES OF CRAP in technology I've ever seen. Nothing ever works, since day one. I'm really pissed. They take away my warranty, leave me with nothing, then recall all the stuff thats wrong with mine, and what happens.......................they tell me I'm a month out of the range of model they are recalling. Great. (Oh, not to mention all the "Error Reports" Windows has thrown at when apparently I "chose a non-responsive program".

The should change "Dell Service/Support" to either "Hell Service/Support" or "Let's leave you on hold for 43 minutes and then decide to tell you to hang up and dial another extension that you wait another 25 minutes for"

I'm using my college fund and buying a Mac.
Way to go Timmy, you won.
Posted: Sat, 12th Mar 2005, 1:52am

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mac is for hippes and windows is for gay people. It's that simple
I think u have the 2 confused cuz i have a mac and im happy.
Posted: Sat, 12th Mar 2005, 11:57pm

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Hi atom

Sorry to hear your bad experience with Dell...

I have also heard a lot of bad things about it. Like when people by their so called build to order, it comes with different kinds of ram that might cause confusion on which might be a good quality ram etc.

Also the worst one I have heard, was the brand new Dell computer with a previous owners HD in it with all her private files and photos still on the HD.

I wish you the best of experience on the Mac. I am sure you will like it a lot. If you ever need help for anything you can contact any mac user and we'll try to help as best as we can. Take use of the 3 months hotline when you get it. Also, if you ever have a question about anything regarding the Mac, you can always contact me.

Have a great weekend!

Glad to see a few more Mac Users come to vote and make their presence.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 12:15am

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Atom, keep in mind that with a Powerbook, playing modern games is out of the question. Gaming is one of the main reasons (the other main one is money) that I'm still on a PC. Sure, there's UT2004 for the mac and Doom 3 comes out for it sometime in the next millenium, but it's just not at all a gaming system yet.

And then the other problem is money, because all of Apple's products are overpriced, which is annoying. You might say to get a Mac Mini, but those are very weak systems. eMacs are worse, so basically the cheapest useable computer for video editing and such is the iMac, which is 2000$. I prefer my PC, thankyouverymuch smile.

And there's also the issue of upgradeability: with a PC, you can buy any part from any brand for cheap, and just stick it in there. With a mac, you either can't upgrade, or send it to a special shop to get it upgraded, or if you have a powermac, can't upgrade every part.

And finally, there's the fact that I don't really see any benefit to switching to OS X. It's basically the same thing as windows, except it has the production suite, and it's prettier, and has less viruses made for it, and is more pretty, and did I mention it's prettier? smile Although forget the "it's prettier" argument, because this is my desktop: OS XP

Those are basically the reasons I'm sticking with a PC, at least for the time being.

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Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 12:15am

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atom wrote:

I'm on a Dell 4150 notebook, but, as I sit here typing on an on/off-working keyboard, with my drives falling out of bays, my screen (just TODAY this happened) dettached completely on one side, (and flickering often) and my battery AND charger not working, I'm highly thinking of becoming a Mac user.
Atom, did you by any chance throw your laptop on the floor in utter, absurd rage? razz Either that or you clearly don't know how to open a laptop because a detached screen is very much uncommon. I have a Dell notebook and it hasn't caused any problems as of yet.

Also, Dell isn't that bad as people say they are. In terms of service and support, they are far better than most companies because you actually get to talk to a Dell support representative. I can't stress the numerous times I am either put on hold for over 30 minutes (glorious Sony!) or switched from representative to representative indefinitely. In fact, they were rather nice about coming out and installing a motherboard for one of my school's computers free of charge.

Atom wrote:


This is one of the BIGGEST PIECES OF CRAP in technology I've ever seen. Nothing ever works, since day one. I'm really pissed.
Did ya call them "day one"?

Atom wrote:


They take away my warranty, leave me with nothing, then recall all the stuff thats wrong with mine, and what happens
Perhaps because...you're out of warranty? crazy

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Great. (Oh, not to mention all the "Error Reports" Windows has thrown at when apparently I "chose a non-responsive program".
What do Windows error reports have anything to do with the quality of Dell machines and vice versa? What Error reports do you get btw when you close an error generated by Windows? Seems rather suspicious to me considering...this never happens unless you have some odd stuff installed on Windows. wink

Atom, what's your IM? I can help you if you need help.



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With a mac, you either can't upgrade,
No, you can upgrade Macs just as much as you can upgrade PCs. They're not that hard to upgrade either I don't think.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 12:35am

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Yeah I know, read the rest of that post though.

However, Mac minis can only upgrade their RAM and HD size, and you can overclock them, iMacs are rather tricky to upgrade, and eMacs too.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 2:14am

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DigiSm89 wrote:

atom wrote:

I'm on a Dell 4150 notebook, but, as I sit here typing on an on/off-working keyboard, with my drives falling out of bays, my screen (just TODAY this happened) dettached completely on one side, (and flickering often) and my battery AND charger not working, I'm highly thinking of becoming a Mac user.
Atom, did you by any chance throw your laptop on the floor in utter, absurd rage? razz Either that or you clearly don't know how to open a laptop because a detached screen is very much uncommon. I have a Dell notebook and it hasn't caused any problems as of yet.

Also, Dell isn't that bad as people say they are. In terms of service and support, they are far better than most companies because you actually get to talk to a Dell support representative. I can't stress the numerous times I am either put on hold for over 30 minutes (glorious Sony!) or switched from representative to representative indefinitely. In fact, they were rather nice about coming out and installing a motherboard for one of my school's computers free of charge.

Atom wrote:


This is one of the BIGGEST PIECES OF CRAP in technology I've ever seen. Nothing ever works, since day one. I'm really pissed.
Did ya call them "day one"?

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They take away my warranty, leave me with nothing, then recall all the stuff thats wrong with mine, and what happens
Perhaps because...you're out of warranty? crazy

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Great. (Oh, not to mention all the "Error Reports" Windows has thrown at when apparently I "chose a non-responsive program".
What do Windows error reports have anything to do with the quality of Dell machines and vice versa? What Error reports do you get btw when you close an error generated by Windows? Seems rather suspicious to me considering...this never happens unless you have some odd stuff installed on Windows. wink

Atom, what's your IM? I can help you if you need help.



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With a mac, you either can't upgrade,
No, you can upgrade Macs just as much as you can upgrade PCs. They're not that hard to upgrade either I don't think.
Ok, well, since my capacotpr seems to have shorted out yet again, I've only got minutes left that I can poist, so.....

Pooky, keep in mind I'm not a gaming person, so why would that sway my decision between PC and Mac.
Also guys, since my screen is going out, I dunno how long I have before I can even SEE what I'm typing.
Digi, as I know now, you are quite a PC advocate. Yes, I love PCs, and I like Dell, but I have to say:

Yes, I did call them day one, and went through several fiascos with sending my comp into the Depot and getting it back. I think Ben and I just have REALLY REALLY BAD LUCK. See..... not even three months in, between the both of us, we had two CD/DVD drives not working, a very loose notebook casing, two not workable keyboards (mine, with keys falling off of it for no reason), our batteries shorting out impermanently, and we've gone through at least 7 chargers that I know of because they just seem to short out for know reason. (including the ones they sent us after we sent them into the depot.)

Oh, and no, I DIDNT DROP MY COMPUTER. Actually, after all these problems started arising, Ben and I were INCREDIBLY OVER-Protective of our precious Dells. But, the plain and simple truth is, as a person WHO HAS A PC, AND NO MAC, NOR EXPERIENCE WITH IT: I'm gonna get a mac.

And why in the first place didnt I just get a new, different computer? I couldnt. My parents bought it for me, and despite my efforts AND MONEY I had to purchase one, they did, and still do stand by they're decision to get me a Dell.

Service/Support: What can say? I'm sorry, but those people are the biggest pains in the arse in the world. You guys all have to understand that I've been through so many warranty controversies (over HOW LONG I'm "COVERED" for) and problems/questions with they're tech support/help, that I'm just tired of it.

Yesterday, I waited for someone to pick-up the line for over 23-minutes, talked to them for about 40 min. (INCREDIBLY UNHELPFUL, btw) only to be transferred to another line in...INDIA! And guess what? I don't have a problem with different english dialects/accents, but after several hours and people, I don't wanna have to say "pardon?" because I can't understand them. Ya Know?

So, I wont be able to answer to your responses 'cuz my comp is going on hibernation now, and I cant charge it now.

Oh, and with the warranty, when I was on the phone, I had some hope when they said "ok, mr. Adams, I think we're just going to completely replace your notebook". And then are like; "when you recieved your notebookback from the depot, and there was a problem, why didnt you call us?" And I say "I did." And they say they dont have records of it because they switched to a different support system, So they cant confirm that I initially called. So guess what? They cant do anything. Oh, and guess what? They'll replace my screen! YAY! And give me a 'REFURBISHED' computer. YAY! So, they are going to replace my already replaced 'REFURBISHED' comp with yet ANOTHER 'REFURBISHED' comp. Great.

OH, but they'll only do it for $900 + shipping. My question is: If it THEYRE FAULT why cant THEY PAY for it. Yes, I realize I'm outta warranty, but when they send it back to me AFTER I'VE ALREADY PAID THEM TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY CREATED, and thewy give me back a faulty prudct (AND AN OBVIOUSLY USED ONE AT THAT) WHy can't they fix it.

Well, I say "SPARE ME THE BULLSHET AND GIMME AN XPS OR SOMETHING"

I hate saying this, because really, I'm (well, used to be) a HUGE advocate for PCs and Dell, but this is it.

And, alas, I'm not interested on UPGRADING or CAPABILITY right now, ok guys? i don't like HP or COMPAQ, I def. not going back to Dell, and all the other (Alienware, etc.) are far too expensive. I need to go Mac, I think.

Ahhh............THIS REALLY SUCKS

THE SHET HIT THE FAN, PEOPLE. AND I"M SWAMPED IN THE DROPPINGS.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 3:02am

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Hmm, I see. But if you think that "all the other" ones are too expensive, why the heck are you going Mac? biggrin

I mean, iBooks aren't really fast enough for video, and so the cheapest Powerbook starts at 1500, but if you want it to have a Gig of RAM and 20GB more HD space, it suddenly costs 500$ more.

It might be a great computer, but it's definately not the cheapest one smile

Anyway, good luck in Macland. Hope you'll enjoy it.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 3:21am

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No, bud. (And I guess you skipped the part where I said: Don't ask me questions I wont be able to answer em.)

What I'm saying is that custom PCs like Alienware are incredibly expensive, when they perhaps offer something that does not appeal to me as much, whereas Mac does. But, most of all, I'm angry at Dell.

Anybody see that Dell commercial where the support tech guy says to some guy in bed: "We're always here to help".

Well, welcome to my next movie. A spoof, I mean.
SCRIPTO-MUNDO!

Tech-Dell service and support, how can I help you.

Me- Uh, yeah, my computer is on fire for no apparent reason, and I was wondering what to do.

Tech-We're always here.

Me- Yeah, thats great, but my comput-

Tech-We're still here

Me-Wha- Well, no, actually , I called yester day and no one answ-

Tech-You know what sir, we're ALWAYS here

Me-Ok listen to me you little shet, MY COMPUTER IS FRICKED UP. WHAT should I do?!?!

Tech-Ok, I'm going to transfer you to a different line to better serve your request

[........dial tone...........]

Me-UGGH!

END SCRIPT

Aint it poet?

[calls Best Buy, his last resort]
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 3:26am

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Heh. Although I understand you're angry at dell, it's not a reason to buy something without thinking. Seriously though, go look at the thread Billy3D started about buying a new laptop. Buying a PC would not only be cheaper, but it would be LOADS faster and you could play games on it too.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 3:52am

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Pooky, don't waste your time. He wants a Mac, let him have one. Don't try to avert someone's decision.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 4:06am

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I am a mac user.

The PC may be just as fast or faster to some people, but wait till mrr. spyware adware virus and malware come to get you and break the computer, causing you to get a new one.

The mistake I made years back was I kept having problems with pcs, so id get a new one. It was a cycle--get computer, get spyware and other crap, reformat hardrive losing all info on the computer, more spyware, repeat.

Now I am running two macs, one which has gone over like a year and a half without any sense of a problem, the other goin for like 4 months now. The 1.8/1.6 ghz processors in them in my opinion are faster than dell 3.0ghz+. Plus, now saying macs are too expenisve isnt too much of a valid excuse witht he mac mini out there. You do not need a supercomputer to edit. I recommend a mac more than any other computer out there, unless you are a serious computer gamer, which I am not. You can think of it this way though: if everyone gets macs in the coming years, more software companies are going to have to make their games for mac. smile
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Brettsta wrote:

but wait till mrr. spyware adware virus and malware come to get you and break the computer, causing you to get a new one.
Um... is there anyone on here who's actually purchased a new computer after getting adware/spyware? If so, may I have your "broken" one? hugegrin


Good luck with your Mac, Atom! Hope it doesn't give you the hard time your other computers were giving you.
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but wait till mrr. spyware adware virus and malware come to get you and break the computer, causing you to get a new one.
lol, truuuuue
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 8:56am

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Brettsta wrote:

I am a mac user.

The PC may be just as fast or faster to some people, but wait till mrr. spyware adware virus and malware come to get you and break the computer, causing you to get a new one.
That's entirely untrue. I've been running my PC for about a year now without having formatted it. I have no adware, no viruses and a firewall that, put simply, smites the crap out of any attempt to remotely access my computer.

A little basic knowledge about a computer will go a looong way. A little advanced knowledge will go a longer way. This false cry of "PC's being unstable" is a totally biased, unbacked and factless statment. With a little care, and *gasp*, time, you can have a digital paradise.

.... and a mouse with more than one button.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 11:51am

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Look pooky, The fact of the matter is, this : If I and this goes for most people too, IF I really want to play video games, I will invest in a GameCube, X-Box or for that matter the PS2 (with a not as good graphic card "proven"). I have a Gamecube and PS2.

I work on a PC and own a mac, the problems a PC faces on a day to day basis is ridicules (depending on what you are working with).

Bottom line is this, it is proven time and time again how fragile PCs are, unless you invest, invest and invest in high security this and that. The surfing on the net with a PC makes me want set a time bomb into the damn thing and watch it explode from a safe distance.

Most of my friends have PCs, and it is a constant topic with them, how they got this virus and that virus. A burnt out HD, I mean the list goes on and on! I am scared Sh%$£ less when I hear and read what PC users go through.

For most mac users it seems like all PC users do is maintenance from the day they get their computers. They are literally fighting off virus attacks etc. (I know that this is not how it is, but when you look at the broad stroke of the society of PC users, the discussion is always the same.

Unlike in the Mac community, where we talk about new applications and more about the experience we have had with different apps, and very rarely talk about bugs and errors. Those days are virtually gone in comparison to MacOS 9.

The urban legend still remains and the prejudice from PC users still haunt Mac users. Like the Mac has done something personal to them once. A quick example of how PC users react mostly when you say you are a Mac user : They ALWAYS come with derogatory and untrue comments about the Mac. They haven't got the slightest idea of how it all works and never care to even try. Though those who do often say on the mac. That trend has started to happen more and more. This makes some PC users more defensive, and some go as far as painting Bill Gates like the second coming. Man I don't understand those people, they behave like a sect. (Again, the people I am talking about right now are a minority fortunately but it feels like a majority when they gather up on you.)

Also if I have a Red Lamborghini and you have a Red Ferrari, I don't say to you that your car sucks and that it can't go as fast as mine. I don't say derogatory remarks about your car. People respect each other when they are at car shows or just when they meet another person with a car.

But when it comes to Mac Vs. PCs, it is a total and utter phenomenon why the PC world lashes out on the Mac community (here I am talking about the users them selves and not the PC community which, over the years have become very tolerant and sometimes even interested in the mac.) We get good reviews in all kinds of magazines, polls, and even PS magazines. But still most people cling to their PC in ways I have never seen anyone do to anything else...

I have had both, I started with the Mac, all I can say after I had my Sony laptop for a while I simply sold it, cause it didn't do anything right. It was like when I did a simple task it all went to hell. I am not saying the Sony laptop was bad, cause it wasn't it was really lovely (I found that out once the guy who bought it showed me how to run another OS on it).

Look, I am not saying every PC user should come over to the Mac, but I as so many other mac user welcome anyone who wants to experience MacOSX and their machines. I have had a mac for over 12 years now and I HAVE NOT HAD ANY VIRUSES AT ALL!!!! Not one!!! I use my machine just as much as the next man, but even so I have never had to battle with viruses and other known and difficult events that can occur with a computer. And for that I am thankful for having a Mac.

I don't go to a PC convention and preach about the Mac, I don't say a word. Why should I? It is not up to me forcing people to change to a Mac. But if someone is interested I would help them as best I can to have a great experience... The rest comes naturally once they boot into the new OS X, at first it is very strange for PC users but it takes them less than a week and they will start to get the hang of it. Call me a hippy, if that makes any sense to you. I'd rather be a hippy than a the contrary.

I'll be honest, I don't like windows, I think it is a joke, but I am very interested in the new SunOS, Linux and what ever else might come to show us how to have a great work experience in any computer environment.

After all a computer is a computer what you do with it is up to you. But never forget a computer is here to serve you and not the other way around...

Peace! biggrin Love smile and Harmony razz My man!!

PS. Atom, glad to hear your views on the matter, again, if you need any help or have any questions about the mac, you know where to contact me. Also I have to say I have some pretty neat games on the mac, and I like them a lot, but then I am not a gamer like some people might be I don't need the serious stuff, for that I have my consoles... wink

PPS. Computers are computers who and why they use them for is up to them, so is all of their choices in life... We should not judge a person by their computer... Some do, and I am glad that almost everyone here at FXhome don't judge people like that at all. We just love to work on a computer that can let us be creative...
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 11:57am

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Sorry for the long reply...

I lost track of how long it had gotten..
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Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 2:29pm

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Digi - yeah guess you're right, his money smile

Sisko Kid - Whoa, that's the mutha of all replies! biggrin I haven't read it all yet, but all I can say is that the only antivirus/antispyware/firewall I have is Norton Antivirus, which cost 100 CDN and about 20 CDN per year, and the free Microsoft Antispyware Beta, which is the best free antispyware out there, nothing gets past it, and a router. That's it. I've only had a virus once in the 3 years I've had this PC, and that was before I got Norton. I only remember it crashing about 4 times, and it's never suddenly turned ultra-slow for no apparent reason. I've never reformatted.

EDIT: Okay I read the whole post. I understand what you're saying and completely agree with you, however I feel that it is actually the Mac users that are a sect (the majority, although not everybody, as you have proven). If you look at people like TimmyD or Cantaclaro, as soon as they hear the word "Windows" or "Microsoft", they flinch.

I don't mean to talk against you or anybody else, but I believe that the reason that other forums are flooded with PC problems is because they have no idea how it works. You need an Antivirus, Antispyware, and a router or firewall, and to install the updates when windows tell you to. For a PC to crash wildly and explode, the user must have done something wrong because it's never happened to me in XP.

In fact I remember talking with someone a while back (in real life) about how he loved Macs and he'd had such a horrible experience with Windows. In the end we concluded that he didn't install MS updates and didn't have auto-update on his Antivirus.

Anyway, I'm not trying to say Macs suck, because they're great systems. All I'm trying to point out is that PCs aren't any worse.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 2:43pm

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To get back to your point about the fragility of PC security, I've had no problems with viruses etc since October, when I decided to just go all out & have as much security as possible. This costs me very little actually. I have Spybot S & D which I update regularly, plus Microsoft AntiSpyware beta, plus McAfee virusscan. The McAfee updates every day at 6pm & virusscans occur regularly in the background every couple of days. No one's trying to give Macs a bad name but Mac guys always shout about how insecure Windows is. It's as secure as you make it, basically, but the tools are out there & many of them are free.

It's silly that this has got into a debate about Macs & PCs. Atom's problems result from Dell, not because it's a PC. If I were him I would not stand any nonsense from Dell & take it further. Are there no trading standards associations in your country? Since you contacted them at an early stage, but they have no record of this because they updated their system their end, you should argue that they have a responsibility anyway. Are there no records of your phonecall in bills or anything?

I just wouldn't stand for crap like that.

Edit: wrote this before Pooky edited his darn post smile
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 3:30pm

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Just know I am not making up my story of my computer, which was custom built, had virus protection th at updated regularly, had a million programs to get rid of adware, a firewall, and it still got all of the above.

To say my statement of PC's being unstable is biased and factless is an unfair statement to make; if every PC I have ever had became infected with something. Its not like I even did anything on it besides go on the internet, edit video, listen to music. You should not have to worry about these simple tasks ruining your computer on a daily basis. You shouldn't be forced to download or buy more protection for your computer. They should make it protected for you to begin with.

To the mouse with more than one button comment: You can hook up any mouse you want to the mac. You can get the second button and the scroller thingy to work with it.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 3:42pm

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We don't fight...we defend razz
Most Windows users don't go on trying to preach about Windows being superior than Macs. Windows users are often defending Windows in response to mostly every false, Slashdot-ish/noobish comment against the OS. The main topic is, sadly, often security.

My setup...
I have never gotten a virus on my system ever since Windows 2000 Pro. When I had Win 2k Pro, I actually didn't have any form of security whatsoever. No AV, no firewall, no spyware prevention/removal, no router, etc. Perhaps I had a virus, most likely I didn't; though, my system never crashed, slowed down, BSODed, sold out my credit card information, dled pr0n unauthorized, turned into a zombie, or did anything else rather malicious. I upgraded to XP Pro later on and soon as all these types of worms started coming out, I decided it was time to really get serious about securing my system.

So, I went out and purchased Norton AntiVirus 2003, Norton Personal Firewall, and a Microsoft MN-500 router. In fact, to my surprise, the Norton products were actually free, and the router only cost a mere $100 USD (I needed it anyways to set up broadband networking). I then downloaded (for free) spybot, ad-aware, and MS anti-spyware.

How I am secure...
Let's see:
1.) Worms, trojans, etc.. never got through my router.
2.) Norton's script blocking feature blocks all malicious scripts; MS antispyware aids as well.
3.) Ad-aware/spybot remove any spyware infections (not that I have any)
4.) XP SP2 actually works (OMG!?!!@$?@!) wink
5.) I'm secure smile

[rant]
Misconceptions...
Now, let's clear up two very distinct points which users fail to realize:
1.) You are secure only and I mean ONLY if you secure yourself.

Well doh! The various users out there on the web don't seem to get this point, users and developers alike. If you're not going to bother to secure yourself from an attack, you are definitely not as secure as you thought you were. Many of those users that say they got a virus, or they've been hacked are the very users who don't bother implementing any security. There are many resources out there suggesting ways to secure yourself, yet, users are either to lazy to read those articles/listen to them or they just don't realize the need in securing themselves in the first place.

Come on guys! Do you honestly drive to the mall and leave your car unlocked? Cars were once very daunting, some people even believed that they would explode upon engine start. As time progressed, people started realizing every safety and secure precautions they should take with their cars. Seriously, is the internet any different?

2.) Even the most secure system can still fall.

The saying goes: A computer is never truly secure from internet attacks unless it is unplugged. Even the most secure system is still capable of being exploited.

You guys know very well about the issue we're having at FXhome. This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Although, this isn't at all FXhome's fault, user's still are not secure, and moreover, it turns out to be the user's fault.

3.) (I had another one, just forgot it wink )

[/rant]

Conclusion: Why I switched. I like both, I chose Windows;)
I'm not one of the users who goes against macs. And don't say something like "You've never tried a mac so how would you know?" because I HAVE. In fact, I grew up using a mac...it was my first computer. I used it for a good 3 years. But then I realized something, while I was playing games like solitaire and space invaders, there was this whole other world of computing that existed where users actually did stuff like watch tv on their computers and play games like Mercenaries 3D. That was why I switched over. Ahhh, Windows 95...good days. razz I felt I could do everything with Windows and I still do feel that. That's why I hold tight to my Dell Dimension 8200 pc that has never failed me once should I add. wink



P.S. Mods, plz do not delete this post as what I am saying is sincere and honest and I have not said anything against a mac. Thank you.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 4:10pm

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DigiSm89 wrote:

But then I realized something, while I was playing games like solitaire and space invaders, there was this whole other world of computing that existed where users actually did stuff like watch tv on their computers and play games like Mercenaries 3D. That was why I switched over.
1. You can watch TV on the mac and even record it with EyeTV

2. Okay a computer game, I can see why you might want that, but for me, I like using a console better.

Everyones different, everyone will have different opinions, and everyone has different needs.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 4:12pm

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I was talking about a long time ago, like when I was 5/6ish.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 4:40pm

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A Pickle wrote:

.... and a mouse with more than one button.
I happened to plug in a Dell mouse to my Mac, and it has a right click, left click, and a scrolly thingie. (I knew this would turn into a Mac Windows debate, but I don't care now, because I like both. smile)
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 6:45pm

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You can also watch TV on windows as well, my friend has it on her comp and its pretty sweet. (OMG CX3 just said something positive about windows)

But wait...
You should not have to worry about these simple tasks ruining your computer on a daily basis. You shouldn't be forced to download or buy more protection for your computer. They should make it protected for you to begin with.
This is so true. I laugh everytime I hear the word adware or spyware. It should come protected for you to begin with. And everybody is saying how the reason that when pc people have viruses and all that is because they know very little to nothing about computers?? Do they think that all mac users have a vast knowledge of computers before getting them? As powerful as mac is, it also makes it so simple for computer beginers. Maybe PC should do the same. I have had both so I can speak on this fact. I really dont think people who havent used both pretty thoroughly should have much a say on the topic. Most people who have a Mac have already used PC and can compare. A lot of PC users have only used a PC and still have the image of the 1st macs in their head or have only used the macs at their schools every so often. Tell me im wrong please because I would like you to point me out to a pc commercial thats reffering to "making the switch". Macs = Less work for you to work...


They say that "Anything's possible".. but I'll tell u what isnt.. Me going back to a PC. snooty
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 7:51pm

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My two, unashamedly biased, cents are thus:

I own a PC, but use both PC and mac at work.

We also have several linux servers, and several windows servers. The distribution of Mac to PC in the office is now about 50:50.

Every week, at least one thing goes wrong with one of the above machines, yet every week its either one of our linux servers or one of the macs.

As a PC owner i do sometimes feel i shouldn't have to worry about viruses, adware, malware, etc but then it dawns on me: i shouldn't *have* to worry about the oil level in my car, or the tire pressure, or whether i have enough money in the bank for next month's rent, or whether i should think about moving jobs - but i always find that i need to, because *thats what being a responsible owner/consumer is about*.

Owning a PC does mean some hard work, from time to time - but i'd far prefer to have new experiences and actually learn something from them, than amble along as a passenger in my own life and learn nothing. Its never the Mac people in my company, who jump to the rescue when something goes wrong with one of the systems - they seem to know f*ck all!

The extension to this metaphor is this: Would you rather sit in your armchair, with the TV-changer within reach, your beer on the other side, your 300 Sky channels at your disposal and have nothing to complain about in the world because nothing disappoints you...

...or would you rather get out and get something from life?

I feel blissfully detached, using a Mac.

I feel enriched, using a PC.

I suppose it boils down to your personality.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 8:03pm

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but i'd far prefer to have new experiences and actually learn something from them
Yeah, too bad learning costs money... I'm in college already, thats enough as it is... Oh, and where can I sign up for my armchair, with the TV-changer within reach, my beer on the other side and my 300 Sky channels at my disposal please?
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 8:06pm

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Your sky box will cost you IP199.99, and i have beer in 4, 8, 16 or 24s at a cost of IP2 per can.

This month's special is a sky box and 24-pack beer, with a saving (OMFG?!?!eleven) of 5.99 Intelligence Points.
Posted: Sun, 13th Mar 2005, 8:33pm

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Just to add some notes from my experience. I've used Macs for about 18 years now and PCs a little less than that. I used to maintain several Macs and PCs used daily in a business enviroment by people who didn't have a clue about computers and just wanted them to work no matter what rubbish they did to them.

All the machines had problems almost weekly but the amount of PC problems they had were far greater than they had on the Mac, maybe 3 times more software and 10 times more hardware.

This got to be such a problem that in the end the PCs were made static (no new software, no internet, no changes) so they just did 1 or 2 jobs each and there hasn't been a single problem since. The Macs they use are still filled with rubbish all the time and have problems every couple of weeks of a software nature.

I've always found Macs to be more stable when it comes to users with no idea. I don't think this really applies to most of the people here who should have more of a clue but for noobs Macs win the reliability contest every time by a long way.

Taking away these software issues which seem to take down PCs far more easily than Macs (because PCs are targetted) and the story changes a little. Provided you are willing to buy the software you need to protect yourself then I would say the PC can be almost as stable (software wise) as a Mac for general usage - so close that it makes little difference.

My previous Mac (Quicksilver G4) never had a single crash in the 3 years I owned it. My PC in that time did have a few crashes, but not enough to make my time on the machine a problem. This seems to be the general way of well maintained computers - PCs and Macs are both very stable when it comes to software.

The one place where I've found that Macs win over most PC systems is hardware reliability. Failure of PC components seems to be far higher than those used inside Macs - CPUs and Mobo for instance. I've had to maintain about 40+ computers over the last 10 years and hardware failures seem to happen at least 10 times more on the branded PCs compared to Macs. Beyond that, I've known many people who have had to fiddle with airflow and cables in their PCs just to stop them from overheating when they change video card - this just isn't an issue with a Mac. Also I've seen Macs running for years, filled with dust and crud which seems to make PCs stop working within a week.

When it comes to overall reliability I would have to side with Macs. But then there are many areas where the PC wins. There are more software options (of various qualities) on the PC and all those great games. When it comes to price PCs are often just too cheap to ignore. PC laptop are currently faster the Mac laptop (although I'm yet to use a PC desktop which is anywhere near as fast as a G5 running most of the applications I use).

I think what i've basically pointed out above (although fairly briefly at the end as I've gotta get back to work) is that Mac and PCs are equal if anything. If you just want to do video work and photoshop then a G5 is near impossible to beat, but very few people ONLY want to do those things...

For me having both machines is the only way. Use easy for what its good at because they are both good at different things.
Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005, 12:50am

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Aahh, thank you all to contribute in a mature and nice way to this topic. Though I have to say, this was the best Mac Vs. PC discussion ever.

Why?

Cause here we all respect each other, and that is the name of the game...

We use the computers we are either given a chance to choose or the ones we are forced to work on. Which one of the two OS's people eventually we fall in love with (or rather feel comfortable with) is totally up to the kind of work they like to do on a computer. Some of us have the best of both worlds, but I guess we are lucky that we even have computers.

For those who do not, cannot share the joy of the net, or share stories and getting help from people on the other side of the globe.

We are lucky that way.

I find all your comments to be useful and like to read them all, they are true in their tone and honest in their expressions. FxHome has a great community. I am glad to be apart of it.

As for Mac Vs PCs, it might as well be Star Trek Vs Star Wars or Babylon 5 Vs Farscape or what ever... In the end, they all love Sci Fi and we all love computers, cause it lets us be creative and it has given us so much in return.

Besides, while I don't like B. Gates, I do have Office 2004 and it is a very good application, I love Entourage. I am just sad they cancelled Encarta for the Mac. I loved that Encyclopedia.

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By the way HI schwar and welcome to our little friendly talk about computers, thanks for joining us...

Hi Pooky, thanks for your reply and I was glad to read it. Where in Canada do you live? Is the weather getting any better over yonder?

You live near where they film Stargate Atlantis? That would be in Vancouver eh? Take care and have fun!

And to all who participated in this topic, thanks and I appreciate your comments.

If the internet has no doors or fences, who needs Windows and Gates? - An online joke...

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Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005, 12:54am

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By the way, why was I given a negative rating on my "long" reply?

Are we punished for speaking our minds here or what?

I find that a bit lame...

I meant no disrespect... Hummm...

Oh well, that's what you get for being honest I guess... unsure
Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005, 12:58am

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Oh...and of course I don't get a thanks...

I wrote close to a half page!!!!!!!?!?!! biggrin
Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005, 1:14am

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DigiSm89 wrote:

Oh...and of course I don't get a thanks...

I wrote close to a half page!!!!!!!?!?!! biggrin
he he he he...

DigiSm89, you were in my thanks in the part where I say :
And to all who participated in this topic, thanks and I appreciate your comments.
wink
Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005, 3:11am

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I haven't posted in what seems to be a decade. Not that I have much to contribute anyway. razz

I agree, this has been a relatively mature Mac vs PC almostvs Linux debate. I've seen a few where it looked like 4-year-olds were running the show. Thanks, guys!

Now for my opinion. I don't like to get violently attached to much. I hate discussing politics and religion, but I don't mind discussing Mac vs PC so much.

I have a PC. I bought it with money that I earned myself. I built it with the help of my dad. Everything that is on this machine is here because of me. It's individual. It's spiffy. It has 2 freaking huge monitors, instead of one. Which pwns.

Because I've built my own PC, I have a special relationship with it. It's interesting to look at the relationships that Mac users have with their computers, even though they didn't build it. Why? Because their operating system runs smoothly and flawlessly, if you know what you are doing and don't try to do anything stupid with it.

I've used a G4 Powerbook before. My youth pastor had it, and I was excited to use a new OS for once. It was fun. My task was to edit a video using Final Cut Pro (Which my youth pastor showed me how to operate), and little else.

So I did. Every once in a while, it would close itself, and say "Final Cut Pro has unexpectedly quit." And give me an OK button. I don't like the fact that it doesn't tell you why. Windows XP tells you what is to blame, and what DLL might be at fault, if you know what you are doing. However, even if you know exactly how to use your Mac, you can't figure out why your program unexpectedly quit.

That's my main pet peeve with Macs. Now for the security issues.

Why is it that Windows XP has so many holes? Why is it that it crashes all the time? Why is Mac so stable?

The vast majority of computer users are using Windows. The vast majority of mischievous 17-year-olds that like to ruin people's days (and data) by writing viruses use Windows PCs. Why? Windows PCs are for the most part, a lot cheaper. And they have pretty games. If the vast majority used Mac OS, you would see more viruses and such for Mac. Why is Windows so broken? Because mislead and often bored youth like to break it. Mac is not impenetrable. It just hasn't been penetrated as much. Yet.

The same goes for Linux. Sure, Linux possibly has a larger community working on it, but it's very very very very very <i>very</i> difficult for a newbie to get in on things. Like me, for instance. Here's an appended IRC chat dialog.

Me: Hey, I'm having problems installing Fedora Core...
Linux Dude: What's the problem?
Me: I've burnt the CDs, but my computer won't boot off of them.
LD: Did you do a checksum on them?
Me: A what?
LD: Checksum.
Me: Not... that I know of...
LD: HAHA! N00B!
LD2: Shut up, LD1. Anyway, go to www.whatever and download this MD5 checksum utility.

It was pretty straightforward...

Me: Ok, the checksums are fine. But my computer still won't boot using the CDs.
LD2: What OS are you using?
Me: Windows XP Pro.
LD2: HAHA! You got pwnd by your windows box! HAHA! n00b!
Me: This is why Linux will die. Newbies aren't so much allowed as they are tortured.
LD2: What?
Me: Let me re-iterate. If your fan base isn't growing, time will take it's toll and make it shrink.
LD2: Oh, I get it now. <hack></hack>

So, yeah. Linux has some very serious problems. It turns out that my CD burning software was aimed at a drive that didn't exist, due to my own clumsiness.

Now, about what is faster. Macs have a slower CPU clock rates. If you know anything about CPU clock frequencies, you know that it is one of the most important factors in your computer. So why do people say that Macs are faster? Their response is almost invariably that it's because Mac programs are more efficiently written.

Sure. Once again, I point out the fact that the vast majority of people using computers use Windows. Therefore, the vast majority of programs written are written for Windows. Therefore, it's almost inconceivable that every program written for Windows is going to function flawlessly or efficiently.

Most people that write programs for macs seem to know what they are doing better. This is because there are fewer of them, therefore fewer programs, fewer users, and fewer mischievous 17-year-olds that like to break them.

I'm not saying every 17-year-old is some stupid hacker idiot who wants to fill your hard drive with spyware and your brain with malcontent. I, for one, am 17. But I don't have a clue about hacking.

Back to the subject.

Spyware and Adware. CX3 should be laughing about now.

Why is Windows so filled with it? Is it? Mine isn't. My computer has been working almost flawlessly for well over 3 years. It's been through a couple hardware upgrades, all which went without a hitch. I've had a whopping 1 BSOD, and that's when I was trying to get one on purpose. I've had programs break on me. These are usually programs with a lot of user created content, which is just asking for trouble.

Windows should come with protection from this standard, eh? What happened when they tried to get Windows to come with Java standard? Lawsuit. What happened when Windows tried to come standard with Internet Explorer? Lawsuit. What happened when, LAWSUIT. There.

Why the lawsuits? Windows has done some unscrupulous things, and it's a huge target. People think that i0f they can bring that one down, they can conquer the world. They just might be able to.

But if Windows came with it's own antivirus stuff standard, somebody, somewhere would file suit.

It's got a firewall now. It's got an anti-spyware thing now. It's got a really pretty stable IE now. Did I mention this was a free upgrade? MS didn't put it out with Windows XP version uno because they would have had to delay production for years.

Please, don't say OS10 had all that protection built in already. It doesn't. They don't build as much protection into a Mac because it doesn't need as much protection.

On a different vein, take a look at the latest G4 Powerbook. Apple says you get blistering 3D graphics with it. Computer Shopper Magazine says that the "ancient ATI 9200" delivers substandard results.

So, what's my point? I like Mac OS and Windows. I like Windows a bit more, and I wish that people would stop taking such a one sided stance on things. Be bipartisan! biggrin

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Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005, 3:27am

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An intelligent and insightful post that I agree with there Zarf, good post.

Both formats are very good, better than the other in some areas but I think it's a reasonably balanced set of scales. It doesn't make sense to strictly limit yourself to a single operating system in this day and age.
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It does when you dont have enough money for both ha.
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That's the problem with filmmaking, it is very expensive. Most post work requires decently high end computers and is expensive for both platforms. So expiriencing both is a financila problem, especially when we need to pay for software, cameras, etc. Luckily, my Mac is semi-old, and notsosemi-bad (it is really bad), so it is about time I got a new comp, which happens to be a PC. So, now I will have both. w00t. Anyways, these are the "debates" I like, clean, no flaming, no one getting upset, etc. Good job FXHome, this is the first in a while. smile
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Alright. It seems the debate area is fair game, so I shall gladly participate. I will never, ever, buy a Mac, unless by some random chance of the imagination they become affordable yet adequately powerful. Currently they are not.

The biggest problem between people and Macs, so they claim, is the price. Any and every Macintosh machine will always be soundly defeated, pricewise, by an equally matched PC. Even the Mac Mini, hailed as the first and most affordable Mac ever is rightly put in it's place by PC's that more than double it's specifications.

The "Illustrious" Mac Mini:
$499 Model:
-1.25 GHz G4 Processor
-256 MB RAM
-40 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
-ATI Radeon 9200 (32 MB)

$599 Model:
-1.42 GHz G4 Processor
-256 MB RAM
-60 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
-ATI Radeon 9200 (32 MB)

Note: The Mac Mini's prices as specified above omit keyboards, mice, and displays. At the bottom of the Apple page, the phrase, "Bring your own mouse, keyboard and display."

The Mac Minis are no more afforable than any PC, but Apple is correct in stating they are the most affordable Mac ever. I will go further to mention, they are that way due to their meek computing strength, in other words, you get what you pay for. In the PC world, you get a little bit more with every cent. Observe.

The Dell Dimension 3000:
$499
-2.8 GHz P4 Processor
-256 MB RAM
-40 GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
-Intel Integrated Extreme Graphics (64 MB)
-Mouse, Keyboard, and Monitor included

eMachines T3958:
$499
-2.97 GHz Intel Celeron D Processor
-512 MB RAM
-80 GB Hard Drive
-Intel Integrated Extreme Graphics (64 MB)
-16x DVD+/-R/RW Drive
-Mouse, Keyboard, and Monitor included

The iBook Conspiracy
- Is that 8x SuperDrive REALLY worth the $200 between the two computers? Because it just so happens to be the only difference. Carry on.

The mispriced iBook
$1499
-1.33 GHz G4 Processor
-256 MB RAM
-Mobility Radeon 9200 (32 MB)
-60 GB Ultra ATA
-SuperDrive

*Note: One more time, the ONLY difference between the $1,299 iBook and the $1,499 iBook is the fact that the $1,299 happens to have a "mere" combo drive, where, by paying $200 more, the $1,499 iBook has an 8x SuperDrive. PC's now reach the level of 16x with their drives.

Averatec 6100 Notebook:
$1,199
-3.00 GHz Pentium 4 Processor
-512 MB RAM
-60 GB Hard Drive
-Mobility Radeon 9600 (64 MB RAM)

CyberPower Gamer Xplorer:
$1,339
-3.00 GHz Pentium 4 Processor
-512 MB RAM
-60 GB Hard Drive
-Mobility Radeon 9700 (64 MB RAM)

PowerBook:
$2,699
-17-inch display
-1.67 GHz G4 Processor
-512 MB RAM
-100 GB Hard Drive
-Mobility Radeon 9700 (128 MB)

CyberPower Xplorer:
$2,575
-17-inch display
-3.00 GHz Pentium 4 64-bit Processor
-1 GB RAM
-80 GB Hard Drive (Though, if you modify it to have dual drives, a 40 and a 60, the price remains $2,596)
-Mobility Radeon X800 (256 MB)

Not only does the PowerBook get soundly thumped by nearly every specification by the CyberPower, but the CyberPower still remains under the price of the Mac.

Returning to desktops, the Apple eMac is yet another example of Apple's pride in their 8x "SuperDrive," by making the ONLY difference between the ONLY TWO models of the eMac the presence of a SuperDrive as opposed to a Combo Drive.

eMac SuperDrive:
$999
-1.25 GHz G4 Processor
-256 MB RAM
-80 GB Hard Drive
-8x SuperDrive
-ATI Radeon 9200 (32 MB)

Dell Dimension 3000:
$689
-2.8 GHz Pentium 4 Processor
-512 MB RAM
-80 GB Hard Drive
-Intel Integrated Extreme Graphics (64 MB)

Even the biggest, baddest Mac on the market is well over the price of it's PC counterpart.

The PowerMac G5:
$2,999
-2.5 GHz Dual G5 Processors
-512 MB RAM
-160 GB Hard Drive
-ATI Radeon 9600 XT (128 MB)

For starters, who in the world has the gall to pay $3,000 for ANY computer with 512MB RAM? That's ludicrous! The same deal as the $1,500 iBook up there. It's simply, a genuine rip-off! To compete with this I customized a Dell Precision 470 Workstation to include the following:

The Dell Precision 470 (Modified):
$2,843
-3.00 GHz Dual Xeon Processors w/ HT and EM64T
-2 GB RAM
-160 GB Hard Drive
-ATI FireGL V3100 (128 MB)

A_Pickle's PC: Dell Dimension 8300 w/ Modifications
$1059
-3.00 GHz Pentium 4 Processor w/ HT
-1 GB RAM
-ATI Radeon 9600 XT (128 MB)
-80 GB Hard Drive
-40 GB Hard Drive
-Mouse, Keyboard, and Monitor included.

You're Hyperlinked Buying Guide. By Pickle. PC's > Macs
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Now you've done it. biggrin

Macs are more expensive then PCs, for sure... but did you have to sound so condesending? This was a decent discussion, but I fear it's about to tank.

Well, before anybody flames this poor pickle, let me remind you that speed really does matter. Macs aren't faster. If their CPU clock frequency, RAM, video RAM, etc. reached up to the same hardware in a PC, it might be marginally faster in some programs.

I'll start. I am not too attatched to any macs myself, so I can at least handle this without too much napalm getting spilled.


Is that 8x SuperDrive REALLY worth the $200 between the two computers? Because it just so happens to be the only difference. Carry on.

DVD burners are expensive. Not that expensive, persay, but they are expensive. But compared to the other 200 dollar upgrade, this is nothing.

Though I must bring up the question, why would anybody want to pay 1500 dollars for a computer with a Radeon 9200? That's terrible... No matter how fast your Mac programs might be, this card is terrible. If you have a computer with a 9200, do yourself a huge favor and upgrade to at least a 9600. You will be terriblly happy you did.

CyberPower Gamer Xplorer:

Cyberpower? Ignore them. Need I remind you of their "Games, Victory, Ever!!ii" slogan? They might have good PCs... but if they were that good, you would think that they could afford a better advertising service.

The Dell Dimension 3000 compared to the eMac with Superdrive is a bit unballanced. 2.8 GHZ is faster then 1.25 for sure, but notice how your cheaper computer has slower integrated graphics and no DVD writer.

Even the biggest, baddest Mac on the market is well over the price of it's PC counterpart.

That is true, but you didn't list the biggest, baddest Mac. The biggest, baddest Mac is a 16 thousand dollar hulk with dual widescreen LCD monitors, surround sound speakers, a keyboard, a mouse (allthough it has but one button... SCROLL WHEEL OF JUSTICE!), 2 250 Gig HDDs, dual 2.5 GHz processors, 8 freaking gigs of RAM, and a GeForce 6800 graphics card. That soundly trumps most PCs I've seen (though they can get better), but I'd rather take that 16K and pay off the national debt. Or at least a used car. razz
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I just wanna know if "A Pickle" has ever used a Mac.


(Oh and please dont tell me, "Yeah, when we have to go to the library to research stuff Ive used one." or "Yeah, I've been on my friends OS9 a couple of times.", cuz I would be forced to track u down and smack you...














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I began my computing on an a trusty Apple Macintosh Classic


...and then my family got all Windows machines after that.

When I got to pick what kind of computer I wanted for college I went back to my roots and got a Mac. My new Mac, however, is the culmination of 20+ years of evolution from its 1980's counterpart.


I think it's interesting that Apple went back to the "Display as the Computer" design that worked so well for the Mac Classics.

It would be strange to say that I "love" my Mac... but it is still true!

I love my Mac!
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Negative rating subject deleted... Got my answers from the FXTeam...

I guess there was an angry mouse amongst us, and that is why I got the negative... wink

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Now, about what is faster. Macs have a slower CPU clock rates. If you know anything about CPU clock frequencies, you know that it is one of the most important factors in your computer. So why do people say that Macs are faster? Their response is almost invariably that it's because Mac programs are more efficiently written.
Well, before anybody flames this poor pickle, let me remind you that speed really does matter. Macs aren't faster. If their CPU clock frequency, RAM, video RAM, etc. reached up to the same hardware in a PC, it might be marginally faster in some programs.
These are the normal misinformed statements which make these Mac vs. PC posts so pointless. Your claim that clock frequency show how fast a computer is is totally wrong even in the PC world. It has very little to do with the speed of 2 totally different processors designs - you are forgetting the amount of instructions the processor can process per cycle and other overheads. The abilities of the PowerPC (G5 onwards) line of processors are the very reason Microsoft is using them in its new Xbox (turning away from slower Intel chips) and the also the new GameCube. Furthermore the PS3 is also powered by a IBM chip cell chip which is going to feed in to the PowerPC line.

A 2GHz G5 has more processing power than a 3.4GHz P4 - its nothing to do with the software its just a more powerful chip and most G5s have 2 of them. Macs are faster at the moment and with the technology IBM owns I can't see it being any other way for quite a while (unless you count custom made overclocked PCs which cost LOTS of money and are a possible nightmare) as Pentium are having real trouble making faster processors and are having to go back to P3 designs to get any extra speed.

So I did. Every once in a while, it would close itself, and say "Final Cut Pro has unexpectedly quit." And give me an OK button. I don't like the fact that it doesn't tell you why. Windows XP tells you what is to blame, and what DLL might be at fault, if you know what you are doing. However, even if you know exactly how to use your Mac, you can't figure out why your program unexpectedly quit.
Anyone who knows about Macs would be able to work out problems, just like someone who understands the working of Windows can work out crashes they have. Again this seems like a biased statement as you appear to want the Mac to be a PC, not understand that its totally different. There are many software tools where you can look in to what the computer is doing, and you can view a full bug description in the latest versions of OS X.

As for the question of price, Macs are more expensive than any added performance would suggest and in the case of the mini/powerbooks they just looks over priced and slow.

You do pay a lot for the design and quality of Macs (which some people don't care for) - my G5 case looks like it costs more to make than my whole PC is worth, its very solid and amazing quality. The mini is tiny, and therefore has to be very well designed to deal with heat - I've not seen any big brand PCs this small so you are paying a lot of the size of the thing.

Basically its almost impossible to compare like for like when it comes to Mac and PC just because at every stage the machines are very different. If you like Macs thats great, same if you like PCs, but I don't think anyone here has the right to say that Mac is BETTER than PC or the other way around. They are different, always have been and I hope they always will be.

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Even the biggest, baddest Mac on the market is well over the price of it's PC counterpart.
That may be from a certain point of view. But this is where the balance of this discussion has tipped the scale.. Simply cause someone wants to justify why one is better than the other... And completely missed the point.

Macs and PCs are like two different species. When it comes to computers, though by its environment is has evolved into something that PC users have been able to identify with. Same kind of Ram, HD, video cards etc.

But the heart of the matter in the "price is so high" discussion is this : You can buy the cheapest and sh^%est PC in the world made by a company that mixes parts in the computer like a Pizzeria makes a "made by you" pizza. And then there are the brand names, those are still reasonably cheap for those who want to get on the band wagon and start computing... But then there are also the build to order PCs that well, I don't see that much difference in.
Again here are those who boast about their PCs like it is a newly installed AI on board the USS Enterprise. This is all good, I don't mind and I kinda like hearing about it, cause it gives me an idea of what is new at the moment.

See these people build their own PCs, they go out buy all the stuff to make up a computer and put it all together. They sometimes makes something incredible and other times makes something that simply isn't worth it. But those with a super cool PC, who built it them selves, do you think it was cheap? Frell no! It was so expensive it made me wonder, why bother? Well it is cause some people LIKE to build their computers... And more power to them, cause they might one day be inspired to make something better and share it with the world.

My point is this, yes Macs are more expensive than PCs. But there is a sea of all kinds of PCs out there from the built by your self to the brand names... But there is only ONE Mac. And that is how it is...

But I like so many other Mac users love my G5, I love my iPod, and I love everything I have from Apple. This is something only a Mac user can relate to. There is simply something so special when you get a new Mac, with how it is packed and well... Just everything...

I feel more comfortable that the computer I get, is ready to go and do what I want rather than configuring it like I had to with my Sony laptop.

But that is just me, and I'll probably get a negative rating again for speaking my mind here... But to be honest, I don't care...

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Any mac users here who have tried Tiger yet? I have it and I am really happy with it. Though due to NDA I cannot post screen shots or talk too much about it, but I would not mind hearing what you think...

And please post what kind of Macs you are running, those of you who own one... Thanks...

Me: G5 Dual 1.8, 2GB of Ram, 380GB of HD, iSight, JBL speakers, iPod 2G, ipod Shuffle, 17 studio screen.
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schwar, thanks, I didn't even want to touch on that subject... But you are right...

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[quote="Sisko Kid"]

But I like so many other Mac users love my G5, I love my iPod, and I love everything I have from Apple. This is something only a Mac user can relate to. There is simply something so special when you get a new Mac, with how it is packed and well... Just everything...
So true, my sentiments exactly:)
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Hi Orion0340!

Love your Signature!
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Hey thanks! I was up night working on it doh
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But I like so many other Mac users love my G5, I love my iPod, and I love everything I have from Apple. This is something only a Mac user can relate to. There is simply something so special when you get a new Mac, with how it is packed and well... Just everything...



So true, my sentiments exactly:)
Agreed. Its a Mac thing. PC just dont know.
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yeah, my new PC sure is a hunk of junk. I hate this thing.

Waser kicks his awesome computer
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While you are at it, wanna come kick my custom built personalized not-a-cookie-cutter individual PC? biggrin

All I can do is refute the falsities of previous posts, for there is little to add to this conversation.

I just wanna know if "A Pickle" has ever used a Mac.

Yes. He gets to work with a fairly new Mac just about every other day in media class.

These are the normal misinformed statements which make these Mac vs. PC posts so pointless. Your claim that clock frequency show how fast a computer is is totally wrong even in the PC world.

That has to be the most blatantly wron statement I've ever heard. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

...you are forgetting the amount of instructions the processor can process per cycle and other overheads.

Ah, that's what you meant. That wasn't such a blatantly wrong statement, then. But let's take a look at some math, shall we?

A 32 bit processor can process 32 different bits per cycle. A bit is 8 on/off switches in an electric current. This is where binary comes in.

In theory, the clocl cycle is how many times a processor can process 32 bits in a second, unless it's a 64 bit processor. Then it's how many time s a processor can compute 64 different bits in a second. I didn't note this for your benefit. Anybody else who wants to get in will now have some nifty facts to check out.

A 2GHz G5 has more processing power than a 3.4GHz P4 - its nothing to do with the software its just a more powerful chip and most G5s have 2 of them.

So. a 2.5 Gigahertz 64 bit model paried up against a 3.4 GHZ 32 bit model. Why are we even discussing Intel's current chips? Their 64 bit chips aren't comming out for a while, so let's look at AMD's current lineup.

The 2.5 GHZ 64-bit processor can compute 64 bits at 2500 hertz. If I am correct, that's 2500 times a second. That's really, really fast. It comes out to 1.6 million bits per second. The AMD Athlon FX turns out to be a 2.6 GHZ processor, so it's very very slightly faster then the G5. As you said, most G5s have more of then then PCs. But they are WAAAAY more expensive.


Pentium are having real trouble making faster processors and are having to go back to P3 designs to get any extra speed.

Source, please. I don't doubt you, but I'd just like to see where you found out.

Again this seems like a biased statement as you appear to want the Mac to be a PC, not understand that its totally different.

I wasn't trying to make the Mac behave like a PC. If I wanted it to do that, I would have used a PC. I'm not an idiot, so don't treat me like one.

...and you can view a full bug description in the latest versions of OS X.

That's nice. The OS X that I was using was at least a year old, so it had nothing of the sort. Kudos.


I've not seen any big brand PCs this small so you are paying a lot of the size of the thing.

Of course. Mac just made that motherboard layout. If you watched the Screen Savers on G4 Tech TV, (Wait, people still watch that?) one of the hosts built a PC inside a Mac mini box. Sacrelige, I know, but the point is that he did it. He had to get one of those new tiny form factor motherboards. The name of it escapes me at the moment. And what did you mean by " so you are paying a lot of the size of the thing."? That we are paying for a lot of empty space in our huge PCs, or that you are paying for a small form factor in the Mac?

I don't think anyone here has the right to say that Mac is BETTER than PC or the other way around.

Why can't everyone think that clearly? I like Macs for the way they are. I like PCs for they way they are. I like some things in the PC over what the Mac has to offer.

Now for the other posts.

...these people build their own PCs, they go out buy all the stuff to make up a computer and put it all together. They sometimes makes something incredible and other times makes something that simply isn't worth it. But those with a super cool PC, who built it them selves, do you think it was cheap?

My computer cost me a whopping 900 dollars when I built it 2 years ago. It was top of the line. If I were to upgrade it to still-awesomer-then-yours specs, I'd have to shell out another 200. Still, that's an 1100 dollar computer that has lasted flawlessly for 2 years. Cheaper then most macs, that's for sure. You can build a really awesome PC for a very low price. Think a little harder.

I feel more comfortable that the computer I get, is ready to go and do what I want rather than configuring it like I had to with my Sony laptop.

You had to configure it to do what?

When I got my webcam, I plugged it in and was ready to go in 2 seconds flat. When I got a firewire card, I put it in my PC. The PC recognized it instantly and it was ready to wrok right out of the box. When I bought my camera and put it in the Firewire card, anice box came up and asked me what I'd like to do with it. It said something along the lines of having found a MiniDV camera, and asking what program I'd like to open to edit videos with. What exactly did you have to configure?

Agreed. Its a Mac thing. PC just dont know.

That wasn't exactly enlightening...

Mac users have their experience getting a nice computer out of a box, while the PC users can build their own. They can spend quality time building their computer with friends or family (such as my dad and I), and the experience is definately worth it. I know how my computer works quite nicely since I've built it. With a Mac, you have to learn everything by reading a book or an article. Or even a help forum. Regardless, this discussion is practicly moot point. Macs are slightly more powerfull, but far too expensive for most people.

The only thing left is to convince Mac people that PCs aren't junk, and to convince Pickle that Macs aren't junk. razz
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I've only had one experience with a mac, and that was only to set it up for wireless networking in a PC dominated house, so I really can't say much about them. However, I think that one thing to look at when comparing the processors of Mac's and PC's is the fact that the G5 is a 64-bit processor. If you look at the Athlon-64s, the clock speeds are pretty similar. The athlon-64 processors range from 1.8-2.6 ghz. So they aren't too far apart. And if i'm correct, OS X is a 64-bit OS. That means that the 64-bit processor is running into 64-bit environment, and using 64-bit programs. That allows the processor to be used to its full potential. Without a 64-bit version of windows officially released yet, and without the matching software, the PC version of the 64-bit processors are still being held back. In my opinion, we can't truely compare the power of the G5 to an Athlon 64 until the OS's are on an equal playing field, which won't be too long from now.

I would include Intel's processor in this, but from what I've heard, it isn't currently worth mentioning. Maybe someone can tell me if this is true, but i've heard that unlike the Athlon which has both a 32-bit and 64-bit core, the Intel chip only has a 64-bit core, and has to use software based emulation when running 32-bit programs... If this is so, then that chip seems like a bit of a waste to me.

Also, clock speeds really can't be used to compare different processors. Take a look at the Athlon chips... the FX-53 and the 64 3800+ both run at 2.40 ghz with a bus speed of 2000 Mhz... Does this mean that they are equal? I think not...
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G5s trounce PC CPUs.

End of story.

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Didn't think an MS advocate like me would say that eh?
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That was an unbiased opinion, and quite educational. I also appreciate the fact that you gave us the source for your reasonings, and presented it in such a kind, unbiased manner. Thanks.

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Hehehe Zarf, you're my hero.
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Zarf wrote:

That was an unbiased opinion, and quite educational. I also appreciate the fact that you gave us the source for your reasonings, and presented it in such a kind, unbiased manner. Thanks.

</sarcasm>
You're trying to compare clock speed.

Comparing clock speed = NO.

Disagreeing with schwar = Double No. razz

Being Happy now = Priceless biggrin



There...happy? razz
Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005, 1:47am

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Some one here said that Doom 3 would be available for the mac sometime when they launch the new USS Enterprise-F (something like that).

But alas, one has to wonder where he got his info...

Cause...

DOOM 3 Invades Macintosh on March 14, 2005

AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 14, 2005--Macintosh owners prepare -- your DOOM has come. Aspyr Media, Inc. announced today that id Software's critically acclaimed blockbuster hit, DOOM 3(TM) for Macintosh is charging onto retail shelves everywhere by March 19, 2005. The Associated Press has called DOOM 3, "One of the scariest games ever made." Computer Gaming World and Maxim both awarded DOOM 3 their highest rating, "Five out of Five Stars," and TIME magazine says DOOM 3 is "too lifelike for comfort." The game quickly became the fastest selling PC action shooter in the U.S., according to NPD Techworld, and has now been developed for Macintosh by id Software and Aspyr Studios.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20050314005601&newsLang=en


By the way, Pooky! I love your photos of hot chicks! And it is a cool banner, I DO WISH I HAD A CHICK LIKE THAT!
Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005, 1:56am

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Heh, my sig is a parody of Atom's sig.

Anyway, Doom 3 came out for a looong time ago for the PC. Glad to see the mac finally has it though. Too bad those of you with your super Radeon 9200 won't be able to play it smile

Anyway, Half-Life 2 isn't coming to the mac is it? Your life can't be complete without Half-Life 2.
Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005, 2:07am

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pooky wrote:

Heh, my sig is a parody of Atom's sig.

Anyway, Doom 3 came out for a looong time ago for the PC. Glad to see the mac finally has it though. Too bad those of you with your super Radeon 9200 won't be able to play it smile

Anyway, Half-Life 2 isn't coming to the mac is it? Your life can't be complete without Half-Life 2.
Minimum System Requirements :

Doom 3 runs on any iMac G5, or any Mac that meets the requirements below

Operating System: Mac OS X 10.3.8 or later
CPU Processor: PowerPC G4/G5 or later
CPU Speed: 1.5GHz or faster
Memory: 512 MB or higher
Hard Disk Space: 2.0GB free disk space
Video Card (ATI): Radeon 9600 or better
Video Card (NVidia): GeForce FX5200 or better
Video Memory (VRam): 64 MB
Media Required: DVD Drive

Recommended System Requirements

Doom 3 runs best on a Power Mac G5 2.0 GHz or faster
CPU Processor:PowerPC G5
CPU Speed:2.0GHz or faster
Video RAM:128MB

Why can those with Radeon 9200 not play? I have a different Vid Card though, I was just wondering where you got that info ?

As for Half-Life 2, the people who made the physics engine didn't make an SDK for the Mac so HL2 Mac is looking less and less likely. But again I use my consoles to play video games and not my computer... wink

And again, while you might have made a spoof of Atom's sig, the chick on yours is HOT HOT HOT!!!! oink
Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005, 3:22am

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DigiSm89 wrote:

G5s trounce PC CPUs.

Schwar wrote:

A 2GHz G5 has more processing power than a 3.4GHz P4 - its nothing to do with the software its just a more powerful chip and most G5s have 2 of them.
Well, that's a bit untrue, this benchmark test shows that the G5 at 2.5 GHz G5 processor gets handily smitten by the 3.06 GHz Xeon processor. I would like to remind everyone, that the benchmark is current as of September 27th, 2004, making the Xeon in question a 32-bit processor vs. the G5's 64-bit nature.

Currently, Intel has released their 64-bit processors, and we await benchmark tests showing their performance against the G5. The G5 does NOT "trounce" x86 based processors as handily as you might think, as is very well shown by these two benchmark tests.

http://www.barefeats.com/macvpc.html

http://www.barefeats.com/mac2pc.html

I believe the G5 is a good processor, and matches up pretty evenly with most of the modern processors.

However, I will be as honest as I can be when I say that I believe the G4 makes a better paperweight than a processor. These benchmark tests show my disdain for G4, why I have that disdain, and why I rather like PC's.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/05_may/features/cw_aeshowdown.htm

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii4.htm

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii4.htm

As far as Adware and Spyware go, a little bit of education goes a looong way. Countless freeware applications and free online virus scans exist for you to maintain and optimize your PC. Spybot Search and Destroy is available for free off of this website.

If for some reason the firewall included in Windows XP doesn't satisfy your security desires, you can download ZoneAlarm is a free personal firewall with quite ravereviews. The Windows firewall, however, is the only thing protecting an Athlon powered PC that my father uses, and it doesn't have a shred of Adware. As I believe Zarf already mantioned, Microsoft has already released their version of an anti Spyware/Adware program known as Microsoft Antispyware Beta, which works great, fast, and has full time system monitoring. I might add that ALL of these have automatic scheduling utilities, making it even easier to manage your PC.

AntiVir is a highly acclaimed freeware antivirus solution that is available here.

If you have any uncertainties about your security, you can always go to Symantec Security Check to determine the status of your online security. It scans your ports and such to determine how well protected you are from the more "stealth" malware applications out there. Housecall is a free online virus scan by Trend Micro Inc, though the Symantec Security Check also has an online virus scan.

Windows comes with a disk cleanup option, as well as a defrag application for optimizing your hard disks. Again, if for some reason you do not prefer the Windows defragger, you can download [url=]this[/url] freeware defrag client.

But... seriously. This is just FREEWARE goodies to keep your computer from going awol due to the number of hackers and adware/dpyware distributors out there. Would it really kill you to purchase $80 worth of Norton SystemWorks which gives you a plethora of system maintenance applications, a system monitor tool, and an antivirus program?

AMD Custom Built PC @ Pickle's house:
$1,069
-1.33 GHz AMD Athlon XP 1500+
-80 && 40 GB Hard Drives
-512 MB RAM
-Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 (128 MB)

Dell Dimension 4100 (old)
$800
-800 MHz Intel Pentium III Processor
-80 GB hard Drive
-512 MB RAM
-Nvidia Geforce 4 (64 MB)

For system protection, the PC runs Ad-Aware SE, a good adware scanner available for free here and the honored Spybot: Search and Destroy. It also has a full installation of Norton SystemWorks 2003, still running and keeping the computer up to date. So far, no complaints, no malware.

Both computers were scanned by Symantec Security Check, both the virus scan and the online security scan. The online security scan showed both to be in the safe region, but just to make sure, I had them each do the online virus scan*.

*Note: Online scans are important, even for Mac users, which I believe the Symantec Security Check works with. This is because many onboard virus scanner applications are best for detecting and eliminating viruses before they manage to find a suitable niche for themselves in your computer. Once they do, a more advanced virus can fool the onboard virus scanner into thinking it is, in fact, not a virus.

However, the virus cannot affect the virus scanner of a remote machine, which is the kind of machine that hosts and runs online virus scans. It is, therefore, always a good safety precaution to do an online scan every now and then.


Anyways. That's just my thing. There's plenty of easy, user-friendly and effective ways to properly defend a PC against intrusion.

Pikl out.
Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005, 4:24am

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A Pickle wrote:


Schwar wrote:

A 2GHz G5 has more processing power than a 3.4GHz P4 - its nothing to do with the software its just a more powerful chip and most G5s have 2 of them.
Well, that's a bit untrue, this benchmark test shows that the G5 at 2.5 GHz G5 processor gets handily smitten by the 3.06 GHz Xeon processor. I would like to remind everyone, that the benchmark is current as of September 27th, 2004, making the Xeon in question a 32-bit processor vs. the G5's 64-bit nature.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Schwar said Pentium 4, this is not untrue. Maybe Xeon is faster, but saying schwar is wrong about the Pentium comment, but that has nothing to do with Xeon. (Though I could be wrong, I know nothing about PC's.)

Offtopicish: Are 3.0 GHZ P4's still very fast machines? (That's the processor speed of the laptop I am about to purchase.)
Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005, 4:39am

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Serpent wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but Schwar said Pentium 4, this is not untrue. Maybe Xeon is faster, but saying schwar is wrong about the Pentium comment, but that has nothing to do with Xeon. (Though I could be wrong, I know nothing about PC's.)
That's true. But, keep in mind, the Xeon and the Pentium archtecture are very similar, so I thought it harmless to link that benchmark.

I still don't feel that a 2 GHz G5 could outrun a 3.4 GHz P4. I could be wrong... but... yeah. I SERIOUSlY doubt that. For starters, it's true that clockspeed isn't everything... but... it's one of the big portions of how fast a processor really is. Also, let us all not forget that the P4's we speak of (unless specified otherwise) are NOW 64-bit, featuring Intel's Extended Memory 64-bit Technology.

The G5 won't so handily put that down, though I have been unable to find any clockspeed tests between the adversarial processors.

Serpent wrote:

Offtopicish: Are 3.0 GHZ P4's still very fast machines? (That's the processor speed of the laptop I am about to purchase.)
I currently use the P4... they're actually really good for video editing. P4's steamroll most processors at almost any kind of encoding, be it music or video. I've been really happy with mine... stable... fast... 49 FPS frame rate on Half-Life 2.

You may consider that new Pentium M, too. Don't ever be fooled by the low clockspeed... unlike traditional Pentiums it runs at a very low temperature and an extrememly low voltage. So low, in fact, that, when overclocked, the Pentium M's compete with Athon FX processors.

At first I disregarded the mobile chip with disdain and coldness of heart... but... ehhh.... this benchmark changed my mind in a heartbeat. I am now torn between the decision of whether or not to get a Pentium M processor desktop or a 64-bit Pentium 4.

....
Posted: Thu, 17th Mar 2005, 5:45pm

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Mac Doom 3 benchmarks revisited!
Take a look at the tests here :

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/03/16/doom3/index.php[/quote]
Posted: Thu, 17th Mar 2005, 5:56pm

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pooky wrote:

Heh, my sig is a parody of Atom's sig.
Atom didn't like my parody and asked me to remove mine sad

/useless forum trivia
Posted: Thu, 17th Mar 2005, 8:07pm

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Rawree wrote:

pooky wrote:

Heh, my sig is a parody of Atom's sig.
Atom didn't like my parody and asked me to remove mine sad

/useless forum trivia
Apparently some people can't take a joke. I for one, found your old sig hilarious.
Posted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005, 1:06am

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Same
Posted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005, 1:31am

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It's nice to see that my childish humour is appreciated wink.
Hopefully something parody-able will come along soon....I lead a very sad life biggrin
Posted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005, 3:06am

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Sisko Kid wrote:

Why can those with Radeon 9200 not play? I have a different Vid Card though, I was just wondering where you got that info ?

As for Half-Life 2, the people who made the physics engine didn't make an SDK for the Mac so HL2 Mac is looking less and less likely. But again I use my consoles to play video games and not my computer... wink
Well to put it simply, Radeons 9200 suck. It doesn't even meet the minimum requirements that YOU posted smile Seriously, it's horrible for gaming.

I read somewhere that Half-Life 2 is PC-only, or maybe they were going to release it for the Xbox 2 as well, not sure. Basically, the best game of all time isn't on the mac.
Posted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005, 5:40am

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For Doom 3 to adequately run on a Mac, you need a 1.5 GHz PowerPC G4/G5. The cheapest thing that most closely meets these requirements is the $1,300 iMac. Minimum requirements.

Sources:
The computer
Doom 3 for Mac

...Just thought I'd point that out.

I was really happy the other day. I just figured out I can run Half-Life 2 on full settings! biggrin biggrin biggrin
Posted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005, 6:22am

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I saw the girlfriend sigs here and decided to make my own. razz

So, yeah. Mac desperately needs HL2. Unfortunately, because it runs on Direct X, this probably won't happen any time soon.

Anybody here like Bagels?
Posted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005, 10:39pm

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Mine's a parody of Pooky's sig. wink
Posted: Sat, 19th Mar 2005, 4:00am

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Sisko Kid wrote:

the chick on yours is HOT HOT HOT!!!!
Yeah well, what can I say: Photoshop does wonders smile

Digi - maybe I could make a parody of a parody of a parody of Atom's sig then. Like this: