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War Crimes - Breakout at Zenica

Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2005, 3:26pm

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polemarch

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This is a small sequence from our 82 minute feature film War Crimes. This sequence shows the attempted breakout from Zenica of Musilm milita. The barricades are manned by conscripts of the JNA. This sequence features many AlamDV digital effects.

War Crimes features a variety of Alam DV effects including muzzle flashes, compositing, flashes and bullet cases.
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2005, 10:13pm

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Again with the droning music. I'm starting to think that's not permanent. Good.

This scene was better constructed than the other scene, still has nice visuals. A lot of the muzzle flashes looked fairly bad, honestly. I think AlamDV3 will help you in that respect, so you won't have to use the same one over and over again.

Sounds wise, most of the shooting sounded nice, but I want to hear more soldier sounds. Not necessarily talking or yelling commands, but I think more sounds of their feet hitting the ground, or their equipment shaking, etc. Also, more sounds of bullets hitting things. Obviously, these bullets are not just going forever until they slow down and fall to the ground. There are buildings and the ground, and all that. I would like to hear more sounds of bullets hitting things, since that's what bullets do.

The commander(?)'s line at the end seems amazingly out of place to me. Maybe I'd have to see the whole film to "get" his character, but to me at the moment, he seems like an old man who's not entirely sure what's going on, until it's stopped going on. "Good job. We have stopped them". Yeah? Really? I'm sure the soldiers who were actually doing something hadn't yet noticed that while their commander was off crouched behind a wall, watching from a distance.

Again, I'm sure this isn't final.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 5:58am

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The action and battle sequences look very good! Would like to see the feature-length movie!
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 8:39am

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Thanks. The film is completed and the master DVDs being made this very weekend! If you would like a copy please visit our website, I'll be adding a request form over the weekend for those that would like a free copy. smile
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 5:02pm

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Wow this looks very good I really liked the whole thing. Some of the muzzle shots were bad but I got over it with the amazing scene itself. Those were really great props. Very well done.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 5:18pm

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You are too kind. The muzzle flashes will have to do. We've been waiting for the infamous AlamDV 3 now for at least 18 months, it's always 3 months away and never arrives. In any case, the sfx are a small part of the film and I hope people will enjoy the overall project.

Your comments are most appreciated and I'll pass on what you said about the props. They made over 35 AK47 rifles for this film btw, each one for around £4 I think.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 7:00pm

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haha that close up clip with that soldier in the beginning looked like prince charles biggrin if you watch the scene quikly. anyway the movie was good! it had a saving private ryan feeling in it smile great work
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 10:09pm

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Ahhh reminds me of the time i watched paint dry... sorry try putting the volume up, and some music jazz it up and add some blood plugins. Also when a grenade is thrown at your head you jump slightly further than what your mates were. Sorry, throw yourself over a bit. but i think its a bit late for that now so... it's pretty cool i liked the amount of actors you had, the costumes wer v. good, and you had a range of ages for actors which is good as well.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 1:23am

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yeah music would have done very nicely. I'm impressed. Although there were some parts in the scene the camera moved so much that you couldnt see what was going on. Also at the end where one of the guys is firing the mounted machine gun, the sound you have sounded looped. Maybe try mixing different parts of the sound file to give it a more realistic feel to it. Other than that i was amazed! nicely done!

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Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 1:39am

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Pooky

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May I ask where you got your sounds from? They sounded really nice.

I completely agree with Aculag on everything, although this was still a really great fight.

Gets a 4/5 from me
Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005, 2:30pm

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I agree with some of the criticism, that some of the sounds were pretty bad and such, but all in all, I must say I was really impressed. With a better camera, a bit bigger budget and a better actor for the officer this (almost) could've been a scene taken from a Hollywood production. But about the comment that you should've used blood effects: good you didn't. Almost all blood effects that are put in digitally looks too fake. And The video machine, have you really seen a man die from a grenade explosion? Maybe some really powerful grenades can throw a person a couple of meters, but mostly it is the shrapnel that kills people, not the explosion. That's all for me!
Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005, 8:58am

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TiCy wrote:

have you really seen a man die from a grenade explosion?
Has anyone?
Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005, 10:36pm

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I have to agree with TiCy on the grenade comment

mainly because im one of the victims and that was the furthest I could jump smile
Posted: Thu, 7th Apr 2005, 11:46am

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First of all, with regards to how far a person flies from a grenade impact. This is a movie and in a film it's down to the director how people will react. In reality grenades are understated and the shrapnel and crap causes the real damage. This isn't a military simulation though, its a film and a VERY low budget one at that (under £5,000 / $10,000).

I agree with the blood, if it won't look good then don't do it is our opinion. The muzzle flashes etc, we really want AlamDV3 to get them really good, again though, they represent a tiny part of the film. You guys are all looking for them as this site is an sfx place. The majority in our test screenings havn't noticed them (which means they work). Also, AlamDV3 is almost like a mythological product. I don't even expect it to be ready by the time we're in post of our next project (around Winter 2005).

Ian, please get in touch via our forum, we need to speak! smile

Thanks for all the comments btw, the film is goign to DVD this week. I'll be putting up a DivX or XVid maybe this week too. Watch out on Bit torrent and eMule!
Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005, 1:18am

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i personally thought that you did a very good job on the cinematography i loved some of the shots that you had! and the jittery camera and such! keep workin on it and it should turn out great.
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2005, 4:44pm

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Geofke2103

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Great shots! What camera did u use? U made a real good battle movie effect with the smoke. The location is perfect. One thing less... the actor wasn't that good. He should talk like victourios. H'es talking like he doesn't know his script.Maybe you should realy keep auditions the next movie. From all arround the world. But that scene gave me a real wow EFFECT.
Great piece u set up there . And the flag... with a great piece of music , u will have the movie like Enemy at the gates.

BUT ill give u a 4.5/5 because i liked the props, the costumes, the smoke effect. That half point is for the acting and only one bad muzzle flash.

Keep on goin! U will get popular. i know some kids whome make kinda movie stuff to...
http://inrealwar.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/officialtrailer.mpg
its not perfect but its a good try...
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2005, 5:20pm

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Geofke2103

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oops i have to exuse myself... id didn't wacht the production website. Nice production, big! even bigger then i was dreamin about.
PROs?
Posted: Fri, 29th Apr 2005, 5:48pm

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This has a very nice look to it... very nice.. The camera shots are excellent and the way the shots are framed are great to. However, this feels a little raw. With better music and a few touch ups it can become even more exciting. A 4 from me.