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Sin City Cast and Crew Premiere

Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2005, 10:54pm

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This movie was without a doubt the single greatest cinematic achievement I have ever witnessed. I was simply awestruck with the sheer epic magnitude and complexities of the plot, the subtle nuances that never seemed to represent themselves fully in the graphic novels were now realized on the big screen. The actors were dealing with bigger than life characters and did a great job portraying them.

THE VISUAL EFFECTS KICKED SKY CAPTAIN IN THE NADS AND STOLE HIS LUNCH MONEY!!

After watching this movie I personally got to thank the director, commending him for taking me on this great adventure in creativity. He simply patted me on the shoulder and said "Thanks, I'm glad you liked it."

R^2, FM, QT RULE YOU ALL!!!

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SIN CITY IS OFFICIALLY THE COOLEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN.

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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2005, 10:55pm

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I CANNOT wait to see this movie.
Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2005, 11:19pm

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So... did you work on this film or something? Please explain the "cast and crew premiere" part.

I saw it a couple days ago. It's good to have your best friend work as a projectionist at an IMAX theater. =)
Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2005, 11:27pm

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I haven't been this pumped to see a movie since Matrix Revolutions. And with Bruce in this one I'm sure it'll live up to my expectations.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 12:53am

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Seeing it tomorrow night!

Partay.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 1:21am

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Marek wrote:

Seeing it tomorrow night!

Partay.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 1:26am

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Honestly, I have never been so excited to see something like this in my whole life.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 1:37am

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I'm seeing it at 10:10 Pm tonight! 2 hours away! WAHOO!
I'm getting drunk right now to celebrate... hope I remember the movie...

You MET the director?
AKA Robert Rodriguez or Frank Miller?

That is TOO cool, dude.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 5:38am

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Nooo! The movie doesn't premiere in Sweden until 6th of July!
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 12:50pm

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Doesn't hit the U.K. shores for goddamn ages. Curse you, you greasy yanks!!!!!

Oh well, at least ! still have you, Trailer 2.
Posted: Fri, 1st Apr 2005, 5:26pm

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Follow up:

The movie is freaking AMAZING.
I feel bad for you overseas guys.
Seriously though- wicked movie. I wont give anything away, except that it's very, very good.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 3:33am

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I just had a geekgasm...
The whole scene with Marv escaping from the apartment building was visually perfect and so much like the damn comics that I couldn't believe it. Everyone was awesome, the spot coloring was awesome, the fights were awesome, and Rick Gomez and that other guy as Klump and Shlubb were hilarious.
Plus, Manohla Dargis is an idiot.

EDIT: Does anybody else want to be Robert Rodriguez after this? I know I do.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 3:51am

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For those of you who have seen the movie:

Is Clive Owen not the coolest?
And is he not the perfect next James Bond?
I feel like an eleven-year-old girl...er... boy again!!!
That movie is a must-see/own.

-Logan-
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 4:25am

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I saw the 4:45 showing of this today.

Simply amazing. Maybe my favorite movie ever...
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That was fantastic. Easily, and without a doubt, the best film I've seen so far this year, and goes in my top ten favorites.

It was so incredibly well done, immersive, innovative, gorgeous, the list goes on and on. Rodriguez has truly outdone himself.

I had never read the comics, but these were comic book frames in motion, without a doubt. And excellently acted comic book frames, as well.

I might go see it again tomorrow as well. I am so glad such a great film was made. Noir masterpiece.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 5:18am

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I didn't think it looked to great from the preview etc (not the kind of style i like perticularly) but I t hink after hearing what people are saying I will have to see it haha

-MAGIC
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 7:30am

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It took me about 15 mins into the movie to get into the style, but once you do, it grabs you and sucks you in, where it makes sweet sweet love to your senses and brains.

mmm... brains...


-Logan-
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 6:26pm

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Yeah, the first couple scenes were kinda off-putting. Mostly because of Michael Madsen's line delivery, but after that it was smooth sailing.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 7:14pm

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I totally agree- it was Michael Madison... but there was the visual style as well... it took a while to convince me that the characters were in a real place, not a greenscreen... but I think it eases you in gradually. By the time Mickey Rourke's story is finished, you can't stop grinning...
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 9:11pm

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Just got back from the film as ad you would expect, I loved it. Everything was delivered so well, the film just went straight to your senses.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 10:29pm

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It's R, but we might see it.

My immediate feeling is chills and anticipation to see it, followed by a: "Ahh.....crap, is this one of those "Kill Bills" that everyone likes, but I will hate? Nevertheless, I'm a fan a Rob Rod and his work. Plus, who DOESNT want to see Jessica Alba strip?
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 10:44pm

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ben3308 wrote:

Plus, who DOESNT want to see Jessica Alba strip?
Someone's going to be unpleasantly surprised... razz

Pretty cool movie. For some reason or another it fell short of what I expected. I'm not quite sure what it was. I guess I just built the trailer up to be so much more than it was. I hope it's one of those movies I think is OK after the first viewing, and then I love it upon watching it again.

*Crosses Fingers*
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"da bomb" "bitchin'" "aweso"

Sin City was all these things, but as a film, im not sure how i feel about it yet. It was really cool, and owen and wood were really really cool, but the stories didn't connect enough for me. My brother, who says this was the best movie he's ever seen, said that the movie was more about the city, and less about the characters, so I should shut the hell up and eat a rock, but im not sure how i feel about that
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On the DVD, you'll be able to watch each of the stories seperately with extra stuff in them, which is fantastic both from a moviegoer's and comics reader's view. And Robert Rodriguez will teach you how to make tortillas. Yup. Tortillas.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:13am

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I just got back from seeing Sin Sity and would give it a 2/5. Overall I don't realy see what's so fatastic about it. All the visuals were cool, but I guess it's just not my kind of movie. Can someone explain why Woods would eat hookers and why Harnett would shoot them? neutral

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Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 6:50am

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Kid Entropy wrote:

On the DVD, you'll be able to watch each of the stories seperately with extra stuff in them, which is fantastic both from a moviegoer's and comics reader's view. And Robert Rodriguez will teach you how to make tortillas. Yup. Tortillas.
How do you know this already?
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 9:34am

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MAN! I wanted to like this movie so much. the previews had me really excited, and I was waiting for it to come out since it was announced.

Then i saw it. robert rod, What the hell? seriously, was this just an attempt to be shocking/ubervulgar and outdo tarantino? Depravity was pretty much the main focus it seemed like, even ruling out what could have otherwise been a really cool scene. The visual style was Incredibly awesome, and hartnett and owens characters were great, and woods character looked really cool and was pretty interesting (as was alba's, of course), but dammit, this was soo dissapointing...pretty much in my opinion 20:80 good to crap ratio. I hated how they kept jumping off rooftops and landing like superhero's..that just ruined alot of scenes (and they even used crappy greenscreening). the dialogue was definately the best part in most cases. And yes, i have read all of the comics, and i was still majorly dissapointed. Not only was it really self important, but the attempted shock value ruined it for me.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 9:48am

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I think many of you are forgetting that there were 2 (3) directors, especially you Bryce. If a character was jumping off of a building like He-Man, the Incredible Hulk, and Batman all wrapped into one, then that is obviously what Frank Miller, the other director (who was on set everyday), wanted. If you liked the comics then it is sort of ridiculous to say that you didn't like the movie because it means either you didn't understand the comics, or you didn't really read them. Now im not going to say that this is a movie for everyone, but it was certainly more coherent than some of you are making it seem.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 10:14am

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I knew what was going on, it just seemed like miller got carried away with his wanting it to be ultraviolent and "epic". The comics didn't dwell on the violence to this degree, and the imagery was far more ridiculous and ower the top than the books.
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As far as the imagery goes, it is a comic book movie. Movie is the key word there. While the film is acclaimed for its likeness to the comics, it is a movie and therefore things will be added or subtracted or altered for the simple reason that is not the comic book anymore, its the movie.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 8:40pm

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IGN.com has a feature on the DVD for Sin City. Sounds like a really awesome thing they're doing.

Here It Is!
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Just saw this today. Absolutely amazing film. Most inspiring movie i've seen this year, and just down right cool. Everything about it was kickass. And now I can say I've been too a movie where one guy gets castrated TWICE. eek
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 11:25pm

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I wish I wasn't so excited to see this movie. I think that took away from some of the excitement in watching it. That, and having to see it with my Dad (he's the cool dad who takes us minors to see R films)- my father, who hated Kill Bill (which I absolutely loved) and hates Tarantino (who I think is a great director, but still crazy).

Overall, the movie seemed brilliantly played out and very "cool", but I thought it was gratuitously violent. Though violence=fun.... I dunno... I'm really confused.

Elijah Wood was incredible (especially for a cannibal...god, that was sick). Clive Owen was cool. But Michael Madsen had me going "wtf? c'mon...you're Michael Madsen..."

Still a fun movie. Can't wait to get that DVD. wink
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Before I went and saw this I was expecting a predictable film that trys to buy there audience with the special effects and crap like that but after seeing it it turned out to be really interesting and I can't get the film out of my head. This film did a very good job in making it look like a comic and the violence in this film was just so extreme.
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Yeah, Madsen was a real bummer. All of the actors in this film were doing things they had never done before, even Willis, Madsen was just Madsen and in any otehr situation that would be cool, but not this.
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 12:32am

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My friend (Matt, co-holder of this account) was over today and he brought the first comic.
It's amazing- the movie basically plays out the book almost identically... as if the frames of the comic were the storyboards. Really, really incredible movie.
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Ev, what exactly was so "inspiring" about this movie? I can't understand what element in this movie would possibly warrant "best movie this year" by any standards of moviemaking, aside from capturing the look and feel of a comic book. Ultraviolence actually doesn't equal "cool" unless you enjoy disturbing images alot.

It seems like alot of people just want to seem cool by saying it was such an amazing, lifechanging, profound movie, when really, if you break it down to its elements, there wasnt much there aside from one over the top scene being chained together with another.

And of course, anyone that disagree's with it being the greatest cinematic "cool" "stylish" feat of all time "doesnt understand it" "didnt read the comics" or is to moral to enjoy it. RRiiiight.
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All I can say for myself, was that it made me almost as happy as I was when I saw Evil Dead 2. I loved the movie because it was this dark and twisted vision of an ultra-violent world, where hero's die in the end, and no one can remain innocent. The film noir aspect, the sick jokes, rawness and uncensored brutlity was all so visually stimulating... I was laughing the whole way through, because I saw Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller and everyone else laughing thier asses off every time someone's face got slammed in a toilet. It looked like an enjoyable film, and it was definately a very "niche" film.
Not everyone's gonna like it, for different reasons, but who cares?
If you didn't, you didn't.
If you did, you had a blast, and that's all that counts!

smile

-Logan-
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It was inspiring the way the technology was used to so acurately portray the comic books. I enjoyed every minute of this movie (sept the parts with madsen), because the plot and dialouge were interesting and entertaining, as well as the visual style that I never really got over how cool it was. Every so often a movie comes along that inspires me. Don't ask me why, but this was one of them. I just wanted to go home and try doing the black and white with some color thing. I just liked the movie as a whole. Just because its getting lots of praise, and someone says "I loved it!", doesn't mean they're just trying to follow the crowd. I genuinely enjoyed the entire movie (except madsen's scenes, as I said before biggrin )
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I thought this movie was a riot!
Mickey Rourke as Marv had me just about in tears of laughter with some of his wonderfully cynical lines. . . .

I liked the way that each character's story was interwoven with just about all the other characters.

I'd never read the comics, but after I saw it yesterday, I'll definitely be picking them up. All of them.
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Rating: +1

Bryce007 wrote:

It seems like alot of people just want to seem cool by saying it was such an amazing, lifechanging, profound movie, when really, if you break it down to its elements, there wasnt much there aside from one over the top scene being chained together with another.
And YOU seem to try and be cool by not liking anything. Guess it just depends on who you are, eh?
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Rating: -1

Not liking anything? As much as i'd like to say sin city wasnt "anything", i definately do like alot of movies, but people such as yourself get offended when i dont review your movies well so you assume i must not like anything.
Also, no one takes notice when you give a good review on something, but when you say you dont like something, everybodies on it quick. wink
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Im going to have to agree with Aculag. You'll always have those people who will not like a good movie just for the sake of telling people they don't like it so they can sound "cool". I cannot stand that. I don't understand how you cant see how this movie is inspiring to some people.

if you break it down to its elements, there wasnt much there aside from one over the top scene being chained together with another.
If you break most any movie down to the elements you will have the same thing as most any other movie. Like cuts, effects, titles, transitions ect... Its just the fact of how these are used. By that, it sounds to me like you wouldnt be satisfied with any movie. And then to top it off ya gotta end your last topic with a wink..

This movie was amazing I thought. I'm prob going to see it again later on this week.

Bryce, I know deep down you can see how this movie is really well made. You don't have to try and act "cool" anymore for us.


-Chris


... whoops I forgot


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Yeah, i was saying that i didn't like it because i wanted everybody to think i was cool, even though i know that people dont like hearing it. Wait, what? No, actually i really didnt like this movie, and what im trying to say is that when people like tarantino or Rob R come along and the critics say its "stylish and cool", people tend to just start Raving about it like its the greatest thing simply because they want to agree with everybody. I won't even argue with the whole "you dont like any movies", because its obviously not true, but really, im trying to figure out what was so great about this aside from the visual's.
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Dialogue was very good. Cinematography was too. FX (for the most part). Acting was good almost everywhere (except Alba, Madsen, Willis and B. Murphy in my opinion. Madsen and Willis were on autopilot. Alba was only good at being pretty and spent the rest of the movie doe-eyed and Murphy was overdosing on cocaine big time) but other than that, it was very decent acting wise although I think that Alba and Willis ruined the whole Yellow Bastard segment despite being perfectly cast looks wise. Mickey Rourke gave a performance of a lifetime.

Editing was excellent and the tightest I have seen in a while and in my book is Oscar worthy on the basis of the individual segments alone. However, editing of the whole, more in a structure related fashion, is seriously deficient. I believe from what I read in interviews, that it was caused by the fact that they had to have a shorter running time for the theatrical run. I still think it could have been pieced together better but in the end, as a piece of entertainment, it was nearly perfect and that is what is so frustrating for me - it was so damn close! wink In any case, this is Robert Rodriguez best to date in my book.

So yeah, besides the visual, there is something to appreciate even if it is not your type of story/film.
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I'm kinda going off this film now, reading what you guys are posting. Makes it sound like "Kill Bill".
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Well, let me put it this way... if you have low expectations, now is the perfect time to see it. I had no idea, and it took me about 15 mins, but once I got in, I loved it...
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Two_Gunned saint wrote:

I'm kinda going off this film now, reading what you guys are posting. Makes it sound like "Kill Bill".
I liked Kill Bill, but I always thought the violence was a little too over the top. Sin City is even more violent, but I didn't mind as much, due to the comic book style of the film. Kill Bill was outlandish violence in real life... This had outlandish violence in an outlandish setting, and everything about it just clicked for me.
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I think the movie was entertaining but it definitely is not the best movie I have seen in awhile. I was interested throughout the movie, but I never was really amazed or anything. The movie was more about style than story.
The clive owen story was dumb, marv's was great, and I wish I could have seen more about the cannibal guy. The hookers with guns thing was too lame for me. I couldn't stop laughing at that idea.
Better than Kill Bill though.
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Well, I'm definately not seeing it for the fact that:

It's Kill-Bill-y. I just don't like that stuff and style, and it puts me off. Not that I'm sqeamish or anything, I just think you can have a good movie without lots of unecessary gore. It makes me uneasy and takes away from my movie-going experience. Don't know why, myself. But as many of you know, Kill Bill vol. 1 was both mine and Ben's most anticipated movie of '03, and 27 minutes in, we were in "School of Rock" instead. I just can't take those kind of movies. I think that gore/blood/violence is a minor part in the breakdown of a film, and if someone is spending more time on that than on the actual story and character development----is it really worth watching?

Ever since I've been into film, I look at what I watch not from an "entertainment" or "enjoy" angle, but more or less from a "technical" aspect, or how well the story/script is played out in progression. That is why, even in desperation trying to watch it, I can't watch Kill Bill. I just can't. Worst movie I've EVER EVER EVER seen. And no, I don't personally have bad taste in movies, people say I actually have quite relative opinions to theirs on a range of movies. But I can't muster up enough attention to 'enjoy' a movie like Sin City. Which, frankly is really really weird. I love Rob Rod, El Mariachi, Desperado, ans 'some' of "Once Upon a Time in Mexico". Why? Because even though there is gore, there is justification for it in the plot, or it is over-compensated for by it's technical achievements.


Someone gimme' some kind of wave to rock my decision, because Sin City does look cool, but from what I'm hearing, it's a no-go. And 'Guest Director Tarantino' really helps, too. biggrin
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Atom, as I've said before, I had a minor problem with the gore in Kill Bill, but this didn't bother me, as it was a stylised, unrealistic place, and it didn't seem as based in reality. Thusly, I could withstand the gore far better than in a real life situation like Kill Bill.
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Indeed I dont think Ill even rent it on DVD, because seeing prositutes dancing and people getting rammed into walls and cut into pieces for no reason is not something I enjoy seeing.

Sure, the visual style and technical stuff look interesting, but that doesnt get over the fact that the movie itself isnt something I would watch.
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I guess you just like watching movies where you kill yourself with a pistol and numerous explosions over and over again.

There are no dancing prostitutes, and all of the people that get rammed into walls and cut into pieces are bad people, maybe if you actually knew what you were talking about you wouldn't make such idiotic excuses.

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Yeah, none of the gore is there for "no reason". It's there, for one thing, because the comic had it, and because it's part of the plot. And if some gore bothers you, I can definitely think of worse movies when it comes to that, and you probably like them. Sin City is a great film regardless of the gore. Don't act like it's JUST gore constantly with no plot, because that's not it at all.
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atom wrote:

I just think you can have a good movie without lots of unecessary gore. It makes me uneasy and takes away from my movie-going experience.
Sin city is a comic book adaptation. And from what I've read on the reviews front it brings the Sin City comic book to life superbly in a fusion of style and good acting. In the case of a violent comic adaptation, then everything from the characters down to the violence is no less than totally necessary.

The movie isn't out here until June 3rd, and even though I have high expectations I am pretty sure I won't be dissappointed. Even at it's most basic level, the film is a work of art, stylistically brilliant and well cast.

This film is more like Pulp Fiction than Kill Bill if you MUST compare it to a Tarantino movie. Other than the ultra gore I can't really see anything similiar between Kill Bill and Sin City. And if you can't stand the ultra gore then simply don't go watch a movie that is obviously going to be violent and stick with other comic book movies that are safer, Spiderman 2 for example.
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I thought Kill Bill's gore was too much for me. This gore was different. I never felt grossed out at all. I can only think of 3 parts in the movie that were gory. There really isn't any blood in the movie. Everything is white.
The violent parts of the movie didn't seem real at all. It was like watching a cartoon except not as bad because there wasn't any red blood. So if watching cartoon violence is too rough for you, then don't watch it. It really wasn't that harsh
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I wasn't grossed out by kill bill 1 or 2, or sin city or pulp fiction or reservoir dogs. It so far removed from reality that it didn't bother me. Ichi the killer bothered me enough to turn it off. Also, i'd like to point out that all of rob R's other movies were really slick and were superior to this one as far as im concerned.
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Don't pick on Pooky!!!!

It's ok not to like gore and violence. Personally, I enjoy that kind of stuff because it makes me giggle.

YES- there ARE prostitues, maybe not DANCING ones, but they are there, and if Pooky don't like it, that's OK... prostitutes arn't everyone's cup of tea.

Not liking those elements is NOT an idiotic excuse- it is his own opinion.
You have yours, I have mine, Pooky has Pooky's. Don't criticize that.

HOWEVER- Sin City is a fantastic movie, gore or no gore. Over-the-top and hilarious... perfect for a psycho like me. But if you don't like seeing genitals getting ripped out by hand, you might want to try another movie... it's not for the faint of heart.

(I took my girlfriend to see it, and she loved it! Whadda ya know? Although it's not exactly a "date" movie, and REALLY doesn't put you in the mood afterwards, it was funny to see her reaction when the SPOILER: girl from "Gilmor Girls" bites the bullet at the end. )

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I mean, I've been really looking forward to this, and I love the visual style. The whole hookers with guns thing look's so cool and so crazy I can't believe It's appearing in a main-stream (relatively), hollywood piccy. I'm fully excited.

It does just look damn, damn cool and quite similar to my film I'm making, though with added Bruce Willis. I'm not gonna be all high-brow and pretend cool guys partaking in lot's of shooting and fighting, with hot chicks in various states of undress all around, is something I'm not interested in. The chances are, anyone who does say that is lying.

It's just, as funky as it sounds, there's little "Tarantinoisms" (if you like) just adding unpleasentness such as cannibals, castration and rape for the sake that it's "cool", that's just stupid that's why Tarantino is possibly the lamest director working today. I can hear the thought process of making "Kill Bill" now: "I know, we can have her raped by greasy truckers... while she's in a coma!!!!! Character devlopment and depth? Ok I'll put some of that in... what's the best way of doing that then? Obviously, long, boring moments when people look at swords. Mwahahahaha!!!! My refusal to add any character traits whatsoever, let alone redeeming ones, will really come into it's own when I have them cut each other up, that's interesting and involving and not hideously pretentious and self-involved, what's the best way to prove I don't have my head up my own anus? I'll cut the film into two parts and charge people twice as much to see the same, vile, dull pretentious sh!te. What's more, I will waste the talents of Uma Thurman, Yuen Woo-Ping and Gordon Liu!!!!". I mean it had a couple of half-decent moments, and an interesting style in places but as a huge fan of asian action pictures, I was offended.


phew... and breath out. smile

H'anyways, so is the film more "action violence" fights, shootouts. Which is cool, I like. Or is it raping and cutting off scrotes kinda thing? 'cos that's part of the alarming decline in modern cinema, this belief that you don't have to have good characters, just unpleasentness to make a great film. This concern, didn't really feature in my mind, until you guys started talking.

So what I'm really asking is... does it dwell on people being eaten and stuff, or does it just have more in the way of gunfights, car chases etc? Are the characters actually given cool, redeeming features and quite well fleshed out or are they just two-dimensional, vile "Pulp Fiction" styled? Okay, how 'bout this one? Is it Rodriguez style or Tarantino style? What's the ratio.

Apologies over the size of my... rant.
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Two_Gunned saint wrote:

I mean, I've been really looking forward to this, and I love the visual style. The whole hookers with guns thing look's so cool and so crazy I can't believe It's appearing in a main-stream (relatively), hollywood piccy. I'm fully excited.
So... you like hookers with guns but not people eating people? smile
How do you think lesbians get the job done?


It does just look damn, damn cool and quite similar to my film I'm making, though with added Bruce Willis. I'm not gonna be all high-brow and pretend cool guys partaking in lot's of shooting and fighting, with hot chicks in various states of undress all around, is something I'm not interested in. The chances are, anyone who does say that is lying.
So... everyone who doesn't like guns and girls is lying just to be high brow? This is a wee bit of a flimsy argument my friend. And I find it funny that Bruce Willis is the only difference between your film and Sin City smile



It's just, as funky as it sounds, there's little "Tarantinoisms" (if you like) just adding unpleasentness such as cannibals, castration and rape for the sake that it's "cool", that's just stupid that's why Tarantino is possibly the lamest director working today. I can hear the thought process of making "Kill Bill" now: "I know, we can have her raped by greasy truckers... while she's in a coma!!!!! Character devlopment and depth? Ok I'll put some of that in... what's the best way of doing that then? Obviously, long, boring moments when people look at swords. Mwahahahaha!!!! My refusal to add any character traits whatsoever, let alone redeeming ones, will really come into it's own when I have them cut each other up, that's interesting and involving and not hideously pretentious and self-involved, what's the best way to prove I don't have my head up my own anus? I'll cut the film into two parts and charge people twice as much to see the same, vile, dull pretentious sh!te. What's more, I will waste the talents of Uma Thurman, Yuen Woo-Ping and Gordon Liu!!!!". I mean it had a couple of half-decent moments, and an interesting style in places but as a huge fan of asian action pictures, I was offended.
I love Tarintino. So when I read that, I was imagining Tarantinoish things to do to you in a dark basement (NOT sexual). smile
FYI- Tarintion wanted to release Kill Bill as one volume, but the STUDIO made him split it up. As far as I know he plans on rereleasing it as one big movie.
If you don't see the character development in his movies, you probably arn't getting the big picture. Zoom out your vision... unless you have your head stuck up your own anus. smile


phew... and breath out. smile
The anus is a very stinky and airless place.


H'anyways, so is the film more "action violence" fights, shootouts. Which is cool, I like. Or is it raping and cutting off scrotes kinda thing? 'cos that's part of the alarming decline in modern cinema, this belief that you don't have to have good characters, just unpleasentness to make a great film. This concern, didn't really feature in my mind, until you guys started talking.
It has a lot of action and film noir elements. There are a couple scenes riddled throughout where there is some gore and disturbing scenes, but for the most part, it's presented in a way that will probably make you laugh.


So what I'm really asking is... does it dwell on people being eaten and stuff, or does it just have more in the way of gunfights, car chases etc? Are the characters actually given cool, redeeming features and quite well fleshed out or are they just two-dimensional, vile "Pulp Fiction" styled? Okay, how 'bout this one? Is it Rodriguez style or Tarantino style? What's the ratio.
I suggest you see the movie for yourself. That's the best way for you to judge. It's worth seeing at least once in a lifetime. It's really kind of a new thing so it is hard to describe in terms of past work and such.
Seriously- go see it! Cover your eyes if you must, but there's a lot of great stuff in there, and NO, it doesn't brood TOO much on the gore.

Apologies over the size of my... rant.
You should never apologize for size... wait... this is getting phallic...



-Logan-
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Bryce007 wrote:

I wasn't grossed out by kill bill 1 or 2, or sin city or pulp fiction or reservoir dogs. It so far removed from reality that it didn't bother me. Ichi the killer bothered me enough to turn it off. Also, i'd like to point out that all of rob R's other movies were really slick and were superior to this one as far as im concerned.
Ichi the Killer uncut is indeed particuarly nasty. But in many others ways it's also one of my favourite movies out.

I too am a fan of asian cinema, but I don't throw a wobbly whenever something gets westernised because I want to preserve the origional. If anything, Kill Bill was a nod to many asian movies of which tarantino is a big fan. If you didn't spot the two Ichi the Killer nods in the restaurant fight scene then you're pretty damn blind.

I think infact, you need to calm down and concentrate on the fact that film is a medium of entertainment. If violence being used to exaggerate tension, emotion or to simply pull the scene away from reality and into a comic book feel then don't go watch movies that make no effort to state otherwise.

One of my recent favourite films is "Oldboy", an incredibly violent, emotionally charged and twisted revenge story. You just need to remind yourself that when you go to see a movie you're stepping into the directors world, so quit getting so worked up.

Especially when it comes to Tarantino. He's just telling stories the way he likes, if you don't like that then don't watch it. smile
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i remember seeing ichi the killer uncut in theeatres, and people were walking out in droves, whil I, with my brother, sat in the back laughing my ass off.

ahhhh, extreme asian cinema. where would we (and by we, i mean hybrid and me) be with out it?
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I would like to see Ichi The Killer and Oldboy, but I can never find anywhere that has them. I'm pretty sure Ichi would kick my ass, and I'd probably not watch it all, but hey!
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I Would also like to point out that two gunned saint is a very intelligent.
However, Both the kill bill's had a few great scene that were really well done and hilarious. the also unfortunately had scenes like the coffin scene, the sword making scene etc...

Ichi was what the word "disturbing" was actually invented for. Also, if you like incredibly gross movies, watch " battle royale", as it was pretty damn unsettling. And Ichi wont just kick your ass aculag, it will stick a couple hot needles into your eyeballs. I can't reccomend watching it at all. From what i understand, "Salo" is the most disturbing movie ever made, but i havent seen it.
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Bryce007 wrote:

I Would also like to point out that two gunned saint is a very intelligent.
However, Both the kill bill's had a few great scene that were really well done and hilarious. the also unfortunately had scenes like the coffin scene, the sword making scene etc...

Ichi was what the word "disturbing" was actually invented for. Also, if you like incredibly gross movies, watch " battle royale", as it was pretty damn unsettling. And Ichi wont just kick your ass aculag, it will stick a couple hot needles into your eyeballs. I can't reccomend watching it at all. From what i understand, "Salo" is the most disturbing movie ever made, but i havent seen it.
WHAT?!?!? The coffin scene was fantastic... Quentin really captured the claustrophobia there.. and the walking into the diner was hilarious.
The sword making wasn't boring! I loved that part! To each his own I guess...

I need to get my hands on Ichi. I own Battle Royale, and I don't find it gross- there's a positive message behind the whole thing (psychopathic as it all seems). It's "Lord of the Flies" meets "The Running Man", with the intelligence of the former and brutality of the former. Great movie, if anyone hasn't seen it. Beautiful filmmaking. If you look past the blood, guts and violence, you see desparation and hopelessness... and the movie acts as a weapon against those emotions; a warning if you will.

I'll have to check out Salo. But is it gross for the sake of being gross, or is it part and parcel of the story?
Saw is an example of being gross just for the sake of it- and it's stupid. Right from the first scene I detached myself and hated the movie because it had no purpose (aside from making girls put thier heads in thier boyfriend's smely armpits). A movie like Sin City uses gore and "grossness" as part of a stylistic element, but it never felt as if it was just there to make little girls cry.


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Aculag wrote:

I would like to see Ichi The Killer and Oldboy, but I can never find anywhere that has them. I'm pretty sure Ichi would kick my ass, and I'd probably not watch it all, but hey!
Import a copy of them both!- they are probably very hard to come by in America - the dutch version of Ichi the Killer is (from what I can remember and I might be wrong) the most 'uncut' with ALL deleted scenes re-instated.

smile Both of them (Oldboy and Ichi) I hear, are definetely worth the buy. biggrin

They are on my 'must buy when i have money for dvd' list!
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The fact is:

Hybrid "if I MUST compare it to a Tarantino film"?

Well, that'd be because

"...Special Guest Director Quentin Tarantino..."

it IS a Tarantino film (more'r less)

Irregardless, I don't like Tarantino film because...frankly...they leave me disgusted.

Why should I watch something in-knowing that it'll disgust me? I still wanna see Sin City, but I don't think I can anyways. I've got 'parents' who, after reading about the beheadings and constant gore, said "Uh........huh-uh." So that's that.
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POINT BLANK ANSWER

SIN CITY IS NOT A TARANTINO FILM. EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN IS WHAT CAME OUT OF THE FRANK MILLER GRAPHIC NOVELS. EVERYTHING!!! THIS MOVIE WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE COMBINED EFFORTS OF FRANK MILLER, ROBERT RODRIGUEZ AND HIS TEAM OF DIGITAL SUPERMEN. QT AND R^2 ARE BASICALLY BROTHERS AND BEING THAT THIS WAS AN EXPERIMENTAL FILM, QT WAS BROUGHT IN TO DIRECT A VERY TARANTINOESQUE SEQUENCE. END OF STORY.

THIS IS A FRANK MILLER AND ROBERT RODRIGUEZ JOINT BIATCHES
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True, it really doesnt have 'that' much to do with QT.

Although canta seems to be having a little bit of a fit about it. biggrin
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I've been thinking about the style of Sin City, and I decided to try the effect with some old footage from a school project that I had lying around. I chose it cause her shirt was more or less a solid color, and its a close shot, so the keying of the greenscreen around her would work, and so that it'd be easier for Chromy to distinguish colors. Here it is folks -



I used 4 layers in chromy... (shown in the order they'd appear on the timeline)

4 - A layer with a hue key, set to her shirt color, with a few tweaks, then inverted, to preserve the red and elimate everything else.
3, - A layer with a luminescance key (thanks pooky) to bring out hair highlights, etc. Also desaturated.
2 - Keyed Greenscreen shot, then desaturated, with a little extra contrast
1 - Background layer

Lemme know what you guys think.

If anyone wants a more indepth tutorial, just ask, and maybe CSB will think it worth enough to make a full chromy tute.

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Cantaclaro wrote:

POINT BLANK ANSWER

SIN CITY IS NOT A TARANTINO FILM. EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN IS WHAT CAME OUT OF THE FRANK MILLER GRAPHIC NOVELS. EVERYTHING!!! THIS MOVIE WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE COMBINED EFFORTS OF FRANK MILLER, ROBERT RODRIGUEZ AND HIS TEAM OF DIGITAL SUPERMEN. QT AND R^2 ARE BASICALLY BROTHERS AND BEING THAT THIS WAS AN EXPERIMENTAL FILM, QT WAS BROUGHT IN TO DIRECT A VERY TARANTINOESQUE SEQUENCE. END OF STORY.

THIS IS A FRANK MILLER AND ROBERT RODRIGUEZ JOINT BIATCHES
Thank you so much for that Canta.

You saved me a post yelling at Atom, and I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Canta, i might suggest changing your underwear, as i imagine they are a different color now.

Ev, that screen is actually really good, but are you sure that isnt a dude?

I suppose what atom was getting at is that sin city the comic has alot of elements that tarantino would have in his movies, such as extreme violence, over the top acting, character narrating, female abusing men, noir storyline Etc...

On second viewing of this movie (which was free i might add), There were quite a few really well done scenes, and alot which i didnt care for. The dialogue was actually really entertaining, and the cinematography was top notch. Any scene featuring The yellow bastard and most of marv's stuff really ruined alot of it however.
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Hmm. That's funny. I thought all of Marv's stuff and the yellow bastard were the best parts of the movie.
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Mister Pencil wrote:

Cantaclaro wrote:

POINT BLANK ANSWER

SIN CITY IS NOT A TARANTINO FILM. EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN IS WHAT CAME OUT OF THE FRANK MILLER GRAPHIC NOVELS. EVERYTHING!!! THIS MOVIE WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE COMBINED EFFORTS OF FRANK MILLER, ROBERT RODRIGUEZ AND HIS TEAM OF DIGITAL SUPERMEN. QT AND R^2 ARE BASICALLY BROTHERS AND BEING THAT THIS WAS AN EXPERIMENTAL FILM, QT WAS BROUGHT IN TO DIRECT A VERY TARANTINOESQUE SEQUENCE. END OF STORY.

THIS IS A FRANK MILLER AND ROBERT RODRIGUEZ JOINT BIATCHES
Thank you so much for that Canta.

You saved me a post yelling at Atom, and I couldn't have said it better myself.
Yelling at me? Just because I can't see your precious movie doesn't mean that you have to go off and rant at me.

I KNOW ITS ADAPTED PIC 4 PIC FROM FRANK MILLER'S GRAPHIC NOVEL.
I KNOW ITS DIRECTED BY ROBERT RODRIGUEZ AND FRANK MILLER.
YEAH SURE, OKAY?

Don't get all miffy 'cause I'm not in favor of the movie.

I STILL WANT TO SEE IT, ANYWAY.



Truce? unsure
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If you at all in doubt.

Here are the facts:

Sin City - The Facts.
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Cool stuff about Sin City:

-Originally, the film was going to include the story featured in the "Sin City" maxi-series "To Hell And Back", with Johnny Depp in the lead role as Wallace. This was scrapped before production began but will most likely be filmed for a sequel as Rodriguez plans to film all of Miller's stories at some point.

-Robert Rodriguez scored Kill Bill: Vol. 2 (2004) for $1. Quentin Tarantino said he would repay him by directing a segment of this movie for $1. Tarantino, a vocal proponent of film-over-digital, has said that he was curious to get hands-on experience with the HD cameras which Rodriguez lauds. When asked about his experience, Tarantino merely replied, "Mission Accomplished."

- Although several of the actors already looked similar their characters, some of them underwent make-up and prosthetics to more strongly resemble their Miller-drawn likenesses, including Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Benecio Del Toro and Nick Stahl.

- Although the movie is presented primarily in black-&-white, particular items are in color and, as such, had to be colored blue or green on set. According to Rodriguez, Nick Stahl (who plays The Yellow Bastard) was known on set as "the Blue Bastard".

All taken from imdb - but those above are a few of my fav facts about it. Sweet trivia. Gotta find the $1 thing funny. biggrin
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I find that $1 dollar thing to be great. It's a just a stamp of status for the two directors. Saying tht they have made and are at the point twhere they can do pretty much whatever they want.
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madmanmatty, I riposte.

"So... you like hookers with guns but not people eating people?
How do you think lesbians get the job done?"
touche.

"So... everyone who doesn't like guns and girls is lying just to be high brow? This is a wee bit of a flimsy argument my friend."
Well yeah, it's not exactly a solid gold rule. Besides that's a flimsy argument because that's not even what I wrote. But let me explain what I did write. The amount of people who claim they don't like sex and violence, violence I can understand, but people who claim not to like sex in films are generally lying and embarassed to admit they enjoyed it. Who doesn't like it? Monks'd probably enjoy it if they tried it smile.

E.g. "Showgirls", not very good, yet was hailed as being the worst film ever, it's not that bad it's just filled with gratuitous, unsubtle nudity. It's technically okay, some good performances and a decent story, looks great but many people were a little embarassed to admit they were slightly aroused when a naked Gina Gershon popped out of a volcano, so responded by throwing rocks at it "we don't like that sort of thing, beautiful naked chicks!!! disgusting", placing the blame on it being badly made which it isn't really. (that sex scene though, what was that about???)

Incidentally gratuitous actually means "gift" so they're a little ungrateful too. smile

People were shocked when I openly admitted to owning and enjoying and "Gia" (well the first 40 minutes, after that it just left me depressed) acting like it was some danish hardcore porn flick.

So anyways, even after the sexual revolution people still are embarrased by it. Don't believe me? Read one of the "power corps/recon 2020" trailer threads, that was crazy.

"And I find it funny that Bruce Willis is the only difference between your film and Sin City"
Thanks.

"I love Tarintino. So when I read that, I was imagining Tarantinoish things to do to you in a dark basement (NOT sexual)."
Oh sugar, you never call, you never write.

"FYI- Tarintion wanted to release Kill Bill as one volume, but the STUDIO made him split it up. As far as I know he plans on rereleasing it as one big movie."
I read in an interview QT saying that he split it up 'cos a three hour b-movie was "too pretentious" hmmm.

"If you don't see the character development in his movies, you probably arn't getting the big picture. Zoom out your vision"
Seriously, show me the character development in "Kill Bill", Lucy Liu had a bit, that's pretty much it. I rate "Jackie Brown" as his best.

I apologise for my criticism of Tarantino, I tend to ignore him and he does have an understanding of cinema (which doesn't explain how his film's end up). It's just he sometimes claims to have thought up ideas which were lifted directly from other movies. E.g. John Woo's "Ying Huang Bun Sik II" (A Better Tomorrow II) ends with a bunch of black suited, white shirted, thin black-tied and in one case sunglassed gun-toting gangsters, shooting stuff up. That movie was 1987, I read an interview with QT claiming that it was his idea to use cool heat-packing gangsters in black and white suits. "I've always thought of that idea as my own" obviously something kinda similar appeared in "Blues Brothers" earlier, but that's somewhat different. I don't think he's ever said where he got it, he just says he thought of it. The closest he came to attributing it was in Tony Scott's "True Romance", it's playing on a T.V.

"Reservoir Dogs" is a remake of "City on Fire" with all the plot complexities, and character developments and traits cut out and replaced with pointless torture scenes and people talking about Madonna. Some sequences are exactly the same. He never said so during the press tours of "Dogs" until someone brought it up. Then all of a sudden, he said so. It's well known that at the time, eastern action movies were going round offices but very rare in stores over there and the industry would take scenes directly, thinking no one'd ever know. It happened.

"What's in Mexico? Mexicans." Almost a direct repeat of an exchange from "The Wild Bunch" (thankfully that movie is mentioned in the opening scene). Sam Jackson's bible speech, Tarantino didn't pore through volumes of religious tomes until he found that quote. Sonny Chiba said it in an earlier film.

The genesis of my dislike actually comes from the fact that he was preparing a project to be directed by John Woo starring Chow Yun-Fat. Woo and Chow pulled out 'cos he was messing them around saying "if he still want's to do it, we'll do it". The next thing QT went on Howard Stern fiercely slating Chow Yun-Fat's performance in"The Replacement Killers". "He'd better learn some fu*king english" which makes sense as the character couldn't hardly speak english. And QT insulting an internationally acclaimed actor? Come on, even you must admit Tarantino cannot act. So it was Tarantino's petulent spolit-child performance which kick-started it. A fine way to treat the star of both "A Better Tomorrow II" and "City on Fire" a man who he built his career on.

Then the godawful movies. "Kill Bill" an homage to movies I love and just didn't do them justice (the Japanese character actors were good "Chaarlie Brrown!!!!" and Thurman and Liu are hot though) and having his name put on "Hero" (which I believe was Harvey Weinstein's idea). Sometimes it gets to me and I stand by my voice that his films are just filled with nasty indulgent unpleasentness.

And yeah my faith in Robert Rodriguez stands strong and I'm now confident it'll be good, partially thanks to you.

I didn't like "Ichi The Killer" either, the only movie I ever sold. And I like most movies, and would hardly ever think of selling one. I dig action violence as long as there's some kind of heart and emotion behind it. mmmm "Man on Fire". But I find most "bloke flicks" gangster movies and stuff, tiresome and dull.

Once again I apologise for the vastness of my juicy rant.

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Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005, 7:57pm

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atom first wrote:

it IS a Tarantino film (more'r less)

atom later wrote:

I KNOW ITS ADAPTED PIC 4 PIC FROM FRANK MILLER'S GRAPHIC NOVEL.
I KNOW ITS DIRECTED BY ROBERT RODRIGUEZ AND FRANK MILLER.

atom wrote:

Don't get all miffy 'cause I'm not in favor of the movie.
I'm not "miffed" up, just don't say it is a Tarantino film (when it's not)... and then say it's not a Tarantino film.

atom wrote:

I STILL WANT TO SEE IT, ANYWAY.
Good Choice.
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atom first wrote:

it IS a Tarantino film (more'r less)
More or less, my friend. That being, that he co-directed it from my understanding. As it says in the credits "Guest Director Quetin Tarantino", I was just acknowledging Canta and saying I knew it wasn't just Tarantino directing, that it was Rob Rod and Frank Miller.
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Despite knowing nothing about the comic books, or indeed the movie itself, I really want to see it - if for no other reason than being a fan of visual effects and Bruce Willis. After seeing the first trailer I really didn't think much of it but the second really wowed me.

I really don't care who directed what part of it as long as it's as good a movie as most people say it is (I don't think it'll be disappointing). To be fair Atom you seem to be basing any opinion you have on Tarantino's involvement and in all honesty you shouldn't even pre-judge a Tarantino movie just because he's directed it let alone on he "guest directed" or "co-directed" or whatever.
Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005, 11:19pm

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Rawree wrote:

Despite knowing nothing about the comic books, or indeed the movie itself, I really want to see it - if for no other reason than being a fan of visual effects and Bruce Willis. After seeing the first trailer I really didn't think much of it but the second really wowed me.

I really don't care who directed what part of it as long as it's as good a movie as most people say it is (I don't think it'll be disappointing). To be fair Atom you seem to be basing any opinion you have on Tarantino's involvement and in all honesty you shouldn't even pre-judge a Tarantino movie just because he's directed it let alone on he "guest directed" or "co-directed" or whatever.
I'm judging the movie for its explicit content, not Tarantino. It's coincidencial that they fall within the same category. (kinda', I guess)
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atom wrote:

atom first wrote:

it IS a Tarantino film (more'r less)
More or less, my friend. That being, that he co-directed it from my understanding. As it says in the credits "Guest Director Quetin Tarantino", I was just acknowledging Canta and saying I knew it wasn't just Tarantino directing, that it was Rob Rod and Frank Miller.
Actually, "Guest Director" means he directed one segment. Not a portion of the film, or even one of the three stories, but he directed one scene basically.

Therefore, Sin City is not, in any way shape or form, a Tarantino film. Nor should it be labeled as one.
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Two_Gunned saint wrote:

madmanmatty, I riposte.
Well yeah, it's not exactly a solid gold rule. Besides that's a flimsy argument because that's not even what I wrote. But let me explain what I did write. The amount of people who claim they don't like sex and violence, violence I can understand, but people who claim not to like sex in films are generally lying and embarassed to admit they enjoyed it. Who doesn't like it? Monks'd probably enjoy it if they tried it smile.
(+ examples)
Touche on you!
I love the use of sexuality in movies... it's a wonderful tool. People always react (negative or positive, it's still a reaction). Sex is a part of life, and the best films capture life on camera.


"And I find it funny that Bruce Willis is the only difference between your film and Sin City"
Thanks.
I can't wait to see your flick, but seriously, why is there no Willis? Give me Willis.


Oh sugar, you never call, you never write.
How did you expect me to react when you left me for that wretched mexican poolboy... Fernando... ugh... even his name burns my lips still!!


I read in an interview QT saying that he split it up 'cos a three hour b-movie was "too pretentious" hmmm.
http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_3312.html
It's being re-released (as QT originally wanted, but studios didn't) as "Kill Bill: The whole bloody story" with an NC-17 rating, more scenes and gore, for a total of 4hrs long.


Seriously, show me the character development in "Kill Bill", Lucy Liu had a bit, that's pretty much it. I rate "Jackie Brown" as his best.
JB had the best character work. Pulp had the best story. Dogs had the best "cool factor". Kill Bill had the best action. It's all personal preference really, but I do think the character development was paced well in Kill Bill. The way the information is revealed, the ending conversation between Bill and Kiddo... Most of his movies take on an un-realistic feel from the characters, but I'll get to that...


I apologise for my criticism of Tarantino, I tend to ignore him and he does have an understanding of cinema (which doesn't explain how his film's end up). It's just he sometimes claims to have thought up ideas which were lifted directly from other movies. E.g. John Woo's "Ying Huang Bun Sik II" (A Better Tomorrow II) ends with a bunch of black suited, white shirted, thin black-tied and in one case sunglassed gun-toting gangsters, shooting stuff up. That movie was 1987, I read an interview with QT claiming that it was his idea to use cool heat-packing gangsters in black and white suits. "I've always thought of that idea as my own" obviously something kinda similar appeared in "Blues Brothers" earlier, but that's somewhat different. I don't think he's ever said where he got it, he just says he thought of it. The closest he came to attributing it was in Tony Scott's "True Romance", it's playing on a T.V. "Reservoir Dogs" is a remake of "City on Fire" with all the plot complexities, and character developments and traits cut out and replaced with pointless torture scenes and people talking about Madonna. Some sequences are exactly the same. He never said so during the press tours of "Dogs" until someone brought it up. Then all of a sudden, he said so. It's well known that at the time, eastern action movies were going round offices but very rare in stores over there and the industry would take scenes directly, thinking no one'd ever know. It happened. "What's in Mexico? Mexicans." Almost a direct repeat of an exchange from "The Wild Bunch" (thankfully that movie is mentioned in the opening scene). Sam Jackson's bible speech, Tarantino didn't pore through volumes of religious tomes until he found that quote. Sonny Chiba said it in an earlier film.
The way I see it, he is a fan of films. He puts his childish fan-love into his own pictures to embellish his favorite films, giving it his own spin. It makes him a very special director in that way... most ideas come from places. If he likes a joke, he puts it in. If he thinks or sees a cool move from an action movie, he puts it in. It's like a kid in a candy store, being asked to make his own bag of mixed candy.


The genesis of my dislike actually comes from the fact that he was preparing a project to be directed by John Woo starring Chow Yun-Fat. Woo and Chow pulled out 'cos he was messing them around saying "if he still want's to do it, we'll do it". The next thing QT went on Howard Stern fiercely slating Chow Yun-Fat's performance in"The Replacement Killers". "He'd better learn some fu*king english" which makes sense as the character couldn't hardly speak english. And QT insulting an internationally acclaimed actor? Come on, even you must admit Tarantino cannot act. So it was Tarantino's petulent spolit-child performance which kick-started it. A fine way to treat the star of both "A Better Tomorrow II" and "City on Fire" a man who he built his career on.
Yeah... uh... well... no one is perfect. That's especially stupid, but then again, I don't think he's the most social animal on the planet. I still love him though- it's funny that he would say something like that, to me, because he knows that everyone is going to hear it, but he says it anyway. Probably just a lack of foresight on his part, but it's that impulsive childishness that really draws me to him. He LOVES what he does, and he has passion for his work. That's what sets his films aside from the regular run-of-the-mill directors. If Lucas or Speilburg said something like that, they would be finished (never work a damn day in this town again)... but QT is still out there... how come? I guess people see that naive rashness as a sort of innocence. And innocence reminds us of kittens. And QT probably eats kittens. And this is why I love him.


Then the godawful movies. "Kill Bill" an homage to movies I love and just didn't do them justice (the Japanese character actors were good "Chaarlie Brrown!!!!" and Thurman and Liu are hot though) and having his name put on "Hero" (which I believe was Harvey Weinstein's idea). Sometimes it gets to me and I stand by my voice that his films are just filled with nasty indulgent unpleasentness.
I would love to Kill Weinstein. He has a WICKED company, but he's got to be the biggest prick in the universe (aside from Ghandi). I don't think Kill Bill is perfect.. I liked elements of it, and overall I liked it... but not wholeheartedly for the same reasons as you, and most people. But I still enjoyed watching it. The Pai Mai sequences made me pee myself, and the hodge-podge nature of most of the plot was hilarious to me. Just the randomness and mixing of the genres, and the overall style. That's what I loved.


And yeah my faith in Robert Rodriguez stands strong and I'm now confident it'll be good, partially thanks to you.
That's all I could have asked for. RR is an awesome filmmaker. I love his movies. Sin City is something everyone should see before they judge. It made me smile the whole way through (after the first gruelling 15 mins). It was a little on the long side, but I forgave it in the end, because I couldn't see any of the selected stories being taken out.


I didn't like "Ichi The Killer" either, the only movie I ever sold. And I like most movies, and would hardly ever think of selling one. I dig action violence as long as there's some kind of heart and emotion behind it. mmmm "Man on Fire". But I find most "bloke flicks" gangster movies and stuff, tiresome and dull.
I still have yet to find a copy of that! I agree with you though- I use violence in my movies/screenplays to demonstrate why violence is such a dumb thing. The only exception is the movie "Sudden Death" with Jean Claude Van Damme. Any (Die Hard clone) movie that combines Action with Hockey and has a "canadian" lead character is just too good to be true. I love that movie so much. So much it hurts. I often wake up screaming at night thinking about how much I love that movie.... it's scary.

Once again I apologise for the vastness of my juicy rant.
The juice is still dripping from my chin. A very tasty rant indeed.

So to sum it up. I like QT because he digs what he does (and movies in general). There isn't perfection in his movies, but I don't look for that. Really, his movies probably can be summarized in QT probably saying this: "Hey, that's cool."
That's all it is, but I love it. It's just... cool.


-Logan-
Posted: Thu, 7th Apr 2005, 8:26am

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Hey madman, Your banner reminded me...Macabeth Has some of the slickest editing ive ever seen in a student film. At least the trailer did anyways. But hey, when the hell is it going to be out?
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"People always react (negative or positive, it's still a reaction). Sex is a part of life, and the best films capture life on camera."
Yeah, how about that part in "Leon" or "The Professional" (depending on what country you're in) when a pre-pubescent Natalie Portman pouts straight into the camera lens. That's really unnerving to watch and a master stroke from Luc Besson. Jean Reno's reaction is spot on too.

"He LOVES what he does, and he has passion for his work." that is true, for that he has to be admired.

"I would love to Kill Weinstein." Don't get me started on Weinstein.

"RR is an awesome filmmaker." God in a stetson.

"I love that movie so much. So much it hurts. I often wake up screaming at night thinking about how much I love that movie.... it's scary."
I thought I was the only one!!!!
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B007- Macbeth is premiering July 15th in Toronto. We'll do a festival circuit (if we get into any! smile ) and then use any funds (might do pre-orders) to get DVD's out there to YOU- the loving audience. We'll have a website re-vamp in a few weeks (it's all done and on my hard drive, I just need to get Webmaster Bill down here to go over the main aspects, etc).

2gunsaint- I simply love you.


-Logan-