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SW episode III + TV ads = NEW footage!

Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 9:53pm

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starwars.com has released two new tv ads with new footage. i saw them and they are awesome. you must see them! biggrin

the first tv ad is called Dark side unleashed

and the second is called Tragedy

actually there is three tv ads the third is called Teaser
but the footage is from the revenge of the sith teaser so there is nothing new but i recomend you to see them biggrin
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 10:51pm

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Those are pretty awesome. I'm really looking forward to this film.

What's with that horrid soundtrack transition at the end of all the trailers?
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2005, 10:55pm

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The music in general in these TV spots is horribly edited. It's like the way most of the Star Wars computer games have utterly butched John Williams' music...but you'd think the movies would treat it a bit better.

I wasn't overly keen on these TV spots - while the trailers have been phenomenal, these seem to highlight some of the problems of eps 1 & 2 as being present still.

I still expect the film to be brilliant, though. smile
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 1:18am

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Hehe, the soundtracks of these ads made me giggle a bit. wink

EP2 ads weren't really bad in terms of music. The fact that they could be stumbling a bit with the music in these ads could be mean tha the music in the film will be immensely superior to all the films combined.

Then again, I could be being a bit over exaggerating. razz

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Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 1:20am

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Ahh!!! Why is it that when ever I try to look at a video on StarWars.com that I get a black screen with audio but not video???
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 1:21am

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wow.....those blew...my nuts.......blew my nuts off.

those were pretty bad. The new footage was incredibly meh. still, ill be there in bells, as tarn said, expecting this film to be brilliant
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 1:32am

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One shot of Yoda looks NOTHING like the puppet... at ALL. Its at the beginning of the Tragedy one, where he and Anakin are in a room with slated windows, and yoda is in shadow, talking. Hes animated like Jar-Jar, for god's sake.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 1:33am

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wasn't he already like that from episode II?
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 1:38am

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in episode 2, he wasn't moving that swiftly and gracefully in a simple talking shot.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 1:44am

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cinemafreak wrote:

Ahh!!! Why is it that when ever I try to look at a video on StarWars.com that I get a black screen with audio but not video???
UH, help please. confused
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 1:56am

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Waser wrote:

dude, did he just quote himself?
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:35am

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cinemafreak wrote:

cinemafreak wrote:

Ahh!!! Why is it that when ever I try to look at a video on StarWars.com that I get a black screen with audio but not video???
UH, help please. confused
Make sure you have the latest version of Quicktime.

Oh, and looking back, I actually think that Yoda looks more like a puppet than he did in Episode II. The texturing seems to be a lot better, so he does have a better feeling of realism.
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evman101 wrote:

One shot of Yoda looks NOTHING like the puppet... at ALL. Its at the beginning of the Tragedy one, where he and Anakin are in a room with slated windows, and yoda is in shadow, talking. Hes animated like Jar-Jar, for god's sake.
Yoda looks much more like the puppet in this footage than I've seen him look when he's been digital. His ears have that little shake to them. It's subtle.

I personally like the way the music is edited. It's jarring at the end, and I like that. It shouldn't be perfect.

These trailers are alright as a whole, but what's really cool about them to me is that the way they're made is VERY similar to how the Return Of The Jedi trailers were done when it was still called Revenge Of The Jedi. Very cool.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:24pm

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Aculag wrote:

evman101 wrote:

One shot of Yoda looks NOTHING like the puppet... at ALL. Its at the beginning of the Tragedy one, where he and Anakin are in a room with slated windows, and yoda is in shadow, talking. Hes animated like Jar-Jar, for god's sake.
Yoda looks much more like the puppet in this footage than I've seen him look when he's been digital. His ears have that little shake to them. It's subtle.

I personally like the way the music is edited. It's jarring at the end, and I like that. It shouldn't be perfect.

These trailers are alright as a whole, but what's really cool about them to me is that the way they're made is VERY similar to how the Return Of The Jedi trailers were done when it was still called Revenge Of The Jedi. Very cool.
His ears never wiggled THAT much, and his head never bobbed that fast, and his lips certainately couldn't form words that well.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:34pm

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evman101 wrote:

His ears never wiggled THAT much, and his head never bobbed that fast, and his lips certainately couldn't form words that well.
So you want them to keep him deliberately a bit crap?

I don't really get where people are coming from when they don't like the CG Yoda. He's so infinitely better than the puppet version. Sure, the puppet Yoda in Empire Strikes Back (not Jedi) is probably the best, most emotive puppet ever created. But at no point (unless you're 8 years old) do you think it is anything except a puppet.

The CG Yoda in episode 2, however, is constantly emoting. Every single shot, I can read what he is thinking, even when he has no dialogue. In many shots he doesn't even look CG. At times he looks a bit CG, sure - but compared to how much the Empire Yoda looked like a puppet (100% of the time), it's inconsequential.

If I had to choose between a CG Yoda that can act really well, even if I know he's CG, and a puppet Yoda that can act ok and always looks like a rubber puppet...well, it's a no-brainer.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:38pm

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Tarn wrote:

evman101 wrote:

His ears never wiggled THAT much, and his head never bobbed that fast, and his lips certainately couldn't form words that well.
So you want them to keep him deliberately a bit crap?

I don't really get where people are coming from when they don't like the CG Yoda. He's so infinitely better than the puppet version. Sure, the puppet Yoda in Empire Strikes Back (not Jedi) is probably the best, most emotive puppet ever created. But at no point (unless you're 8 years old) do you think it is anything except a puppet.

The CG Yoda in episode 2, however, is constantly emoting. Every single shot, I can read what he is thinking, even when he has no dialogue. In many shots he doesn't even look CG. At times he looks a bit CG, sure - but compared to how much the Empire Yoda looked like a puppet (100% of the time), it's inconsequential.

If I had to choose between a CG Yoda that can act really well, even if I know he's CG, and a puppet Yoda that can act ok and always looks like a rubber puppet...well, it's a no-brainer.
Well for me its more of the fact that its not going to match with 5 and 6 at ALL. He looks so different in the prequels, compared to the old trilogy. I just want to watch them through and not think TOO much about how everything in the OT suddenly looks like crap compared to 1, 2, and 3.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:39pm

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A good point, but I can perfectly rationalise it due to Yoda a) having his ass handed to him by Palpatine and the Sith, b) letting the Republic crumble, c) watching all his friends and colleagues die around him, d) the indignity of having to run and hide for his life and e) having to live in a swampy ick planet for 40 years - that's gotta do bad things to your skin.

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Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:41pm

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haha guys. some fans from TFN have noticed that anakins scar switches side during the "tragedy" tv spot i didnt notice that before i read that post on TFN
and here is a possible explanation of why this occurs http://www.theforce.net/episode2/story/the_reverse_padawan_braid_theory_70215.asp
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:45pm

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yeah, shots are often flipped in trailers, so that certain characters seem to be looking at each other through different shots.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:50pm

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Hmm, the first and last remind me of the first teaser with the crappy sound cut at the end only they made it even worse. o_0 But all-in-all I loved these, and the second one was my favorite.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:51pm

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eveman hows the progress on your movie "the camera" biggrin i wanna see it
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 6:06pm

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preproduction still... why're you asking that here?
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 9:06pm

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haha i forgott the PM razz
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 1:47am

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Why does Yoda need to fight with a lightsabre in these movies?
I always imagined him and Palpatine as so powerful, so absorbed in wisdom (good and evil) that they wouldn't need to do any physical combat unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary... that's why Palpatine has Vader, and Yoda had Luke/Obi-wan..

It's simply un-classy...


-Logan-
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 2:03am

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Yoda is a jedi. A jedi shouldn't need to have others do his dirty work FOR him. A jedi is also masterful in saber combat, and Yoda, being one of the greatest jedi ever, should also be extremely capable in saber skills. As for Palpatine, he only uses his sword when confronted, and usually has Vader do all the work, or calls in troops to help (ROTJ).
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 2:15am

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Yeah, I agree, but only if Lucas somehow ties up all the loose ends in the next movie...
For some reason, in Ep2, after Yoda was spinning off the walls with his sabre, I felt as if he was going to pop open a Pepsi and wink at the camera..
As a council leader, his warring days should be well over. It almost negates the purpose of Mace Windu... and it looks a little silly.

When the emporer has to intervene in RotJ, he uses force lighting, not a sabre, because he's beyond the simplicities of physical combat.

Furthermore, why do all dark Jedi get wrinkly faces?
Is it common practice to take longer-than-necessary baths on a regular basis for Dark Jedi to cool off from the heat that is the evil side of the force? Maybe all that lightning makes them really sweaty.

I once did a fake trailer for Ep2 (right after 1 came out) and here's my favorite joke from it:

Anakin: With the onset of puberty, it is Tatooine custom to choose a new name for yourself.
Obi-wan: So, you won't be Ani anymore?
Anakin: No. I have chosen the name... Vader.
Obi-wan: I don't get it. Why Vader?
Anakin: Because it rhymes with Mader.
Obi-wan: What's a mader?
Anakin: Nothing, what's a mader with you???

AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAHHAAHAHHAHAAHAH... ooo... love it...
I'm stoopid.

-Logan-
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Tarn wrote:

A good point, but I can perfectly rationalise it due to Yoda a) having his ass handed to him by Palpatine and the Sith, b) letting the Republic crumble, c) watching all his friends and colleagues die around him, d) the indignity of having to run and hide for his life and e) having to live in a swampy ick planet for 40 years - that's gotta do bad things to your skin.

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I think this is exactly right. Yoda is already old, and after the battles in Episode III, he's worn out. I'm sure we'll find out more in the movie.

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Furthermore, why do all dark Jedi get wrinkly faces?
Name some of the dark jedi you've seen. I can name four: Darth Maul, Dooku, Vader, and Palpatine. Out of those, the only one with a wrinkly face is Palpatine and that's because he's old (Dooku slightly less so), and because of his overuse of dark powers.
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 3:18am

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Aculag wrote:



Name some of the dark jedi you've seen. I can name four: Darth Maul, Dooku, Vader, and Palpatine. Out of those, the only one with a wrinkly face is Palpatine and that's because he's old (Dooku slightly less so), and because of his overuse of dark powers.
Well, in the new trailer Anikan/Darth gets a wrinkly face at the end.
Maul had horns because that is how his race shows thier wrinkliness.
Dooku was just koo-koo and probably stayed in the sun too long.
Palpatine was actually only 15 years old, but due to heavy smoking he developed wrinkles.
Then there's Jarec from Jedi Knight. His face had been stretched by a "wrinkle-remover" machine, to give him a youthful appearance so he could still model on the side...
Boc, his side-kick didn't have wrinkles, but he did have these giant floppy antlers, and they got floppy because the dark force makes you impotent as well.
When Kyle Katarn turned dark in the expansion, he got grey in his hair.
And who could forget Darth Tony, the greasy income-tax accountant from planet "Jalopi"? He had wrinkles ON his wrinkles. Not to mention a BLT growning out of his forehead....

That's all the dark Jedi I can think of, and most of them look like California raisens.. I mean, they all start out looking strapping and vigorous, but in the end, the wrinkliness of the dark side consumes them.
Perhaps Anakin should have read the fine print before signing up with team Dark...

-Logan-

PS- I still think Yoda should have been at the point where he would be done with the sabre... it's more of a symbolic thing for me, he represents a Ghandi like pacifist, and it seems he already learnt this wisdom in 1 and 2... maybe a pre-prequel could be made, of Yoda's "Rompin' Stompin' Adventures"??
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 6:32pm

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Anakin gets burnt to a crisp by lava. That's not exactly wrinkles.
Maul had horns because his race has horns. Not all of his race are dark jedi, or jedi at all.
Dooku was old.
You are the master of sarcasm, I can tell!
I haven't read any of the books, but technically, you haven't "Seen" those characters. wink

Yoda's really wrinkly, he MUST be a dark Jedi. That's what Episode 7 will be about. The ghost of Yoda trying to corrupt the new jedi order.
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lol- given the titles for all the star wars movies, it's probably go something like this:

Star Wars
Episode 7
Revenge of the Muppet Ghost


Do you think that maybe Yoda will die in Episode 3, and then a clone will come out who is a muppet? That would expplain a lot for me...

(I often dream about Yoda... it's wierd, but that's how I know I'm a star wars fan... Last week I had a dream that Yoda and I were shopping for fishbowls. For some reason Alf was there too...)


-Logan-
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To eradicate the transition from puppet Yoda to CGI Yoda, Lucas will bring out yet another Special Edition, with a CG Yoda replacing the puppet one in ESB & ROTJ. Hehehe. But this will only be on the 100th anniversary of the original Star Wars, when Lucas has already created an immortal CGI version of himself.
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 7:06pm

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Am I the only one that doesn't have huge problems with Lucas touching up the FX work, sure some of the stuff seems a bit pointless (Hayden in ROTJ) and some of it just looks fake (Most of the CGI in the '97 editions) but on the whole I think it's great that he wants to perfect the movies/milk it for all it's worth. I find it funny how Speilburg replaces the title character of one of his best loved movies with a CG version and nobody says that much, Lucas puts a CG character in his movie and the fans go crazy and want it replaced by a puppet! I for one think that Ep I should have a CG Yoda replacement for continuity or just because that thing looks nothing like Yoda but there's no reason to go back to the OT and do it (I wouldn't be annoyed if he did but I would just wonder where the necessity was; Yoda wasn't really an important character for the OT.
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I dunno- if you take a Shakespearian angle, Yoda was the catalyst, or "wise fool" who teaches Luke the information he needs to stay on the good side. Obi Wan is like the King Lear factor- he made a mistake (with Ani, that he blames himself for) and wants to rectify it with Luke (who if staying with the angle, he would be Cordelia).

Yoda may have a minor role, but it is a vital one. If you take that same principle, the whole good plot is mirrored on the dark side with Palpatine and Vader... Palpatine is Yoda's equal, Vader is Luke/Obi Wan's.

And the whole puppet thing is more of a metaphorical wish. It just seems too easy to use CGI and such. Look at Star Wars Revalations! That's independant and it looks great. If you have the big-budget like Lucas, why not go out, find locations, build puppets, spend time and money to make it as real as possible? Yoda just doesn't have that sympathetic feel.. sure the muppet looked muppetish, but you knew he was real, and you could relate to that. I mean, what if aliens do exist, and they really do look like muppets?

Which Speilburg movie, Rawree?


And, LOL, if Lucas releases the OT again, I will eat my own face somehow. WHY? WHY LUCAS WHY?

-Logan-
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Madmanmatty wrote:

Which Speilburg movie, Rawree?
E.T.
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 7:33pm

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I for one was pissed about ET's changes. It was unnecessary for the most part.

Also, who knows what Lucas is going to do when he re-releases the films in 3d in 2007... is he going to change anything else with them other than to make them 3d? I hope not.
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I didn't even know ET was re-vamped!!! Holy cow!!
WHY!?!?!?!

Why can't you just let them stay the way they are?

ugh... I'd rather they make crappy sequels than tamper with already deemed "classics".


-Logan-
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Madmanmatty wrote:

And the whole puppet thing is more of a metaphorical wish. It just seems too easy to use CGI and such.
The 'CG is easy' misconception always makes me bristle. Like the way some people think that CG animated films like The Incredibles just 'make themselves' and are somehow easier or less skillful than traditional animation.

The 90s has a lot to answer for - the slew of appalling 'blockbusters' with terrible CG have turned the general public against CG in general, even though it is now up to an excellent standard. Hopefully that prejudice will dissipate over the next 10 years, as CG is used in more and more artful ways and the horrendous effects follies of the 90s are gradually forgotten.

Yoda just doesn't have that sympathetic feel.. sure the muppet looked muppetish, but you knew he was real, and you could relate to that. I mean, what if aliens do exist, and they really do look like muppets?
Possibly a personal preference thing, but I disagree. I find both the puppet and CG versions to be highly emotive and sympathetic, because I like the character.

That's the issue with Jar Jar - the CG of Jar Jar, even in Phantom Menace, is pretty damned good (especially for the time). The problem with Jar Jar isn't a technical one, it's the writing of the character. You could have done him as a puppet or as a guy in a suit, or even just as a normal human, and he'd have been every bit as annoying. The CG has absolutely nothing to do with it. But, once again, everyone blamed the CG for Jar Jar being crappy...which was rather uncalled for, if you ask me.
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Madmanmatty wrote:

I didn't even know ET was re-vamped!!! Holy cow!!
Yea, there were quite a few changes... the Spaceship was altered, a cgi ET was put in place of the puppet/suit in several areas (such as the chase in the woods in the beginning and a previously-deleted sequence in a bathroom). Also, in almost every shot of ET talking, his mouth movements were altered to "match" the words better, though I thought it was fine before. Also, they tried to add more expression to his face using CG.

Lastly, they removed every single gun that appears in the film and replaced it with a walkie talkie.
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Well, I'm not disputing Cg in general, perhaps I came off to rash.. When I say easy, I don't mean in the sense of a CG artist, I mean more in the sense of cost-effectiveness. It's cheaper to get the actors to stand in front of a green-screen and throw in a computerized jet... but to go out to that same background (if one exists) and have that real jet fly over.. that's so much more impactful.


It really is more of a personal preference thing... I liked Yoda in the first movies because he was a grumpy old log-wart, but in the new ones he just seems to mope and complain all the time (lol).

And Jar-Jar, I agree... but C3PO was pretty annoying in the first one, but you loved him because of the actor: his movement, his character, his voice... Jar Jar was basically filling the gap for a 3PO until he could be introduced, but it was teribly done... it's always arguable, but I think if there had been an actor on set, they could have seen it firsthand and fixed a lot of annoyances..

No disrespect to the CG artists out there! I just prefer to see the real thing... but that's cause I'm an actor, not a 3D artist, or an effects junkie; I like to see people do stuff on screen. That's just my own opinion though.

-Logan-

BTW- The Incredibles was an AMAZING movie.