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Magic Bullet / The Orphanage

Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 3:09am

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Has anyone come across a company (besides me) called "The Orphanage"? I just saw one of their films......holy poo!

These guys shoot on hand-held miniDV (I'm talking the stuff most of us use.....like $1500.00 Cameras) and get honest to god "Film" quality imaging/results.

If you're interested, these 3 guys worked for ILM and started their own production house. They have developed some form of mental After Effects Plugin called "Magic Bullet" that adjusts colour and softens your picture (rendering the film at 24 fps PAL with a motion blur similar to "true film" stock). Good luck "finding" the plugin.....I tried...he..he..he.......(message me if you know where to "score" it). wink

I'm not kidding. I almost cried when I heard that the flick I saw (The Last Birthday Card) was shot on a $900.00 miniDV Sony Camera. Looked like a 2 million dollar 35 mm job.

I'm about to blow some serious dosh to get a project up and ready to shoot with my Producer. If anyone has suggestions for "smoothing" DV in Post Production, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts and suggestions (this includes using the Cinelook Plugin in After Effects and any positive experience you've had with it). Let me know.

More info here:

http://www.theorphanage.com

-Neo
Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 3:22am

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PS - Magic Bullet retails for $995.00 USD on Yahoo! Shopping (just in case you thought it would be worth buying)........
Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 3:31am

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Yea! I, too, heard abou them in MacAddict magazine. It's pretty amazing. They are really good with 3D, too!
Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 6:10am

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I read that article in MacAddict, too. Impressive.

As far as adding a film-like look to your DV footage, I also read of a technique for that in MacWord called Instant Sex. Honestly. Here's how it works. (In After Effects, but it is possible to get a similar effect in other apps)

Basically, you duplicate your footage, layer it over the original, and then add various modifications to the top layer. First change the opacity to 50%. Then, give it a Gaussian Blur of about 30. Finally, from the Layer menu's Transfer Mode submenu, select Add or Screen for a subtler look. Then render the clip and see how it looks.

Play around with the different setting to get different results. The downside is-- long render times before you can see the results.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 4:35pm

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Thanks guys.....have you ever used Cinelook before? I heard it produces a similar result......
Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 6:00pm

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i came acroos the orphanage on adobe's website a few months back, was looking for bullet holes me thinks, and came across magic bullet

i searched as well, and no actual company i think came up, owning the product

and i have cinelook, but there are too many options!!!
Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 8:12pm

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If anyone who uses Cinelook for AfterEffects is reading this, then plz tell us what settings you use....there are alot, and i just cant seem to get it to look right..
any suggestions would be nice...
Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 8:36pm

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same
Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2002, 8:54pm

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I third that one......!
Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2002, 1:19am

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That crap is amazing. I need to get it!
Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2002, 3:07pm

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Agreement......we're looking at getting a bunch of people together to toss in a $100.00 each to purchase a "copy". Like all software, I think it is necessary to make at least 10-20 backup copies..... wink
Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2002, 9:39pm

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Oh and make sure you make me a copy!

And check out this months mac addict cause it has i article on the orphanage n'friends
Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2002, 10:08pm

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Hey, I might be willing to throw in some cash...

We must all do our part to make sure that orphans have a place to stay.







Get it? The Orphanage? Hah!
Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2002, 3:53am

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I have heard about Magic Bullet. I saw somehting on these guys last year on Tech Tv. There is supposed to be a PC version later this year.

Per Cinelook - I have tried it, I just don't like the render time. I actually use BigFX FilmFx much more. In AFX you can use iether the color timing or the Film Grain. In Premiere they are all sort of tied together. That is a bit vauge really, but I mean in AFX there are two filtr - one for the color and one for the rest where as in Premiere they are all tied together. But my point is I like the render time and the look.

Aslo another sort of fake film look in Premiere is by using the Quicktime plug-in and going to the film damage section. Put the color on "1930's" and turn off everything else. Then bacl in Premiere set the fields to "blend" and the "assume FPS" to 24. I tired it when I heard this as it sounded too easy...the result came out nice though, it does take off the video look.
Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2002, 1:12pm

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I tried something similar in Premiere but it just looked to "blurry". I've also tried importing 30 fps video at 24 fps PAL. Looks "smoother" like film, but the colours and balance are all wrong.

I've got a meeting with my Producer (for a project) on the weekend. We have 4 takers here in T.O., Ont. Canada on the "Magic Bullet". Our only concern is what happens if we can't make "backups"!? B.T.W. - I haven't come across anything (bar DVD's) that Toast T.I. can't handle, but you never know. Anyway, we're 6 off the 10 we need so it looks like it'll be a go. If you guys are still interested, email me here:

djchristopherg@sympatico.ca

Cheers.

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2002, 9:15pm

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account of being not too far away, i can chip in...once the um, bank pays me back...yeah....thats it
Posted: Sat, 6th Apr 2002, 4:59am

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uh is that an email for us to contact you about a 'backup' copy - and/or helping you make them?
Posted: Wed, 1st May 2002, 10:45pm

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Well I just started messing around with all this movie making stuff. But I did find a really cool way to make your home video have the look of cinema film using Premier. I just started messing with it and after about 3 hours i figured it out.
Posted: Wed, 1st May 2002, 11:33pm

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neo: any progress?

Idgas: do tell!
Posted: Wed, 1st May 2002, 11:43pm

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Well its almost to easy to tell. All i did was adjust the contrast ans brightness and rendered a 29.97 fr at 24 w/ 104% speed. It looks pretty cool but im still playing with it.
Posted: Wed, 1st May 2002, 11:52pm

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If it isn't too big, you maybe could just get and ITOOLS account and stick in yer pubic folder . . . cause then everyone could download it.
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 1:43am

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Sorry guys. Been busy here in the land of Canada. My Grandmother just passed away so I gotta head home to the UK for a week (May 5-12).

That aside, I've got 6 people including myself in on this so far. If you are serious and want in email me here:

djchristopherg@sympatico.ca

I'll check in when I get back next week and we'll set something up. I'm working on a better "solution" as well and I might be able to secure a copy for "free"......then we can all smile lol Peace.

-Neo
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 8:52am

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Have you looked for it on kazaa morpheus and all that places. I got some nice programs there....
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 11:16am

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http://www.revisionfx.com/mblur.htm :o
Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2002, 2:18pm

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The Car and Ape .mov looked good. But the colour rendering seen in "film" done with the Magic Bullet is still missing. rolleyes This is certainly the best Motion Blur I've seen. Cheers.

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 3rd May 2002, 3:58pm

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About the copies: How much are we talkin' for each person? I might be interested. And film fx: Anyone have a version that don't make a red cross over the movie? Wanna let me "just take a look" at it biggrin We are not talkin' warez or illegal copying are we ???? biggrin
Posted: Fri, 3rd May 2002, 6:35pm

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cry
I have no money! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! *sniffle*
dammit. anywhere to download this program tho. there must be!
Crs
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 12:06am

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No. Illegal copying is bad. I don't think this should be addressed any further on this board. wink You all have my email anyway. If anyone spots this on a File Sharing portal let me know! Cheers.

-Neo
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 3:14am

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OK:

I have a 25 fps video. I want to try the method of converting to 24fps.

However as I have A LOT of single frame muzzle flashes, quite a few disappear. How do I get around this?

Should I first convert to 30fps and then convert to 25fps?
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 7:18am

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err... no. You should make it 24 fps before you add muzzle flashes
Posted: Sat, 4th May 2002, 2:14pm

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Yeah. You need to import your footage at 24 fps. before you going adding ALAM effects to it, or else your NLE will drop frames like you are experiencing.

-Neo