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Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005, 10:54am

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Icken9

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This film follows four executives and their ferocious appetite for business.

“American Psycho meets A Clockwork Orange.” (Mark Daily – DV USER)

This is the first film I’ve made with any kind of social comment running through it. It’s visual representation of how the big guys treat us little people.

***********************WARNING*******************
THIS FILM CONTAINS STRONG LANGUAGE AND SCENES OF
EXTREME GRATUITOUS VIOLENCE AND MINOR NUDITY.

VIEWER DISCRETION IS STRONGLY ADVISED.


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Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005, 11:18am

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Dear god, that was gruesome! Absolutely superb makeup effects, easily the best I've seen in a (presumably) low budget film - as good as anything you might see in a big budget horror, in fact. I'm glad I wasn't watching this while having lunch!

I definately picked up on an American Psycho vibe (and I hadn't read the description beforehand) while watching, which can only be a good thing.

Production values across the board were excellent. The acting was very good, with each role perfectly cast. The actors and writing crafted individual characters in a very short amount of time, so I definately identified each as a separate character rather than just as a 'generic office professional', which would have been an easy trap to fall into.

Each scene was handled slickly and with a good eye for filmmaking technique, adjusting the mood as required. Controlled and clinical for the office scenes, then excellent use of hand-held and close-ups in the squash game, and then frenzied and disturbing camerawork for the climax - did you alter the framerate or something during that sequence to make it more immediate? It was certainly very effective.

You seem to be getting better with every film - can't wait for the next!
Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005, 12:12pm

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Absolutely excellent.

Tarns already said much of what i would have said had i been first to comment, so i won't bother repeating it.

Tarn mentionned it broadly, but i want to specifically pick up on the editing and framing of the shots, which was brilliant. Just before the end of the squash match, it dawned on me i'd never seen the ball once, until it just flew past right in front of the camera. It could have easily been all sound effects and clever shooting. In retrospect, in your place and with your talent, i might have tried to deliberately do it without a ball, just for sh*ts and giggles.

As far as the cannibalism scene, my two minor issue with it, are the colour of the blood, which seemed a little too 'pillar box' for my liking and the sheer length of it. I started off feeling awed, then sickenned, then wanting it to end, then deciding that it was actually too long. The point where you're wanting it to end but can't tear your eyes away from the screen...is that golden point in film-making when you know your audience is captivated. Unfortunately it went on a little too long for my liking and my attention slightly wandered.

The comparison with American Psycho is an obvious one, with which i agree. On one hand, i'd have liked to see more of the executive types' characters outside of the office, but on the other i think the AP influence would have been a little too blatant, so on balance i think it worked just right. Having said that, i did want to see a more obvious transformation in the snivelling exec's character. Something a bit more horrific, not that being impaled isn't, but something which made me laugh out loud with the kind of sadistic glee that AP did.

Two other quick points i've just thought of
1. it was too dark in many of the scenes. recommend floods and reflection hardware of some sort.
2. could have done with a bit more grading and perhaps softening a touch as it still felt a little camcorderish.

In summmary, though, excellent. Loved it. 5 stars and going into my top 10.


[oh... and where did you use alamdv and chromanator?]
Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005, 2:04pm

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This is why FXhome is so great. On no other film making web site do you get instant feedback on your film from, the majority of the time, honest critics who didn’t mind speaking their minds.

Thank you for your comments so far, they really help me make the final adjustments before I send my films out to festivals.

Tarn, I upped the shutter speed on the camera during that sequence to increase the intensity. It makes the movement that little bit sharper and appear faster.

Xcession, the darkness in some scenes was cased by the Gamma correction. Sometimes what works good on T.V doesn’t work so well on the net. I kinda knew it was too dark but, thought I could get away with it. I just needed someone to point it out. I have adjusted some of the scenes and replaced the file with a new version.

I used Alam for the lights on the car alarm and to make the pictures for the phone.
I used Chromanator to key some of the pictures onto the phone. I re-shot some of the main sequence against a blue screen and keyed the black background on. I also put the 16:9 bars on with Chromanator.

I have yet to grade the film but I’m thinking about putting a bleach bypass effect on instead.

Cheers

John
Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005, 2:27pm

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Icken9 wrote:

This is why FXhome is so great. On no other film making web site do you get instant feedback on your film from, the majority of the time, honest critics who didn’t mind speaking their minds.
You wouldn't be saying that if we hadn't liked it. wink

Thank you for your comments so far, they really help me make the final adjustments before I send my films out to festivals.
Great that you're really using the feedback. People should do that more. If you do put it into festivals, definately keep us posted on how it does!

Further to xcession thinking the Nasty Scene was a bit too long, now that I think about it I remember feeling the squash court scene was a fraction too long as well - it got to a point when it had gone on for long enough that I was sure something important was about to happen in the scene...and then it just ended.

It's a delicate thing, as it was only slightly too long...but a careful shortening might help the pace. You don't people's attention to waver before the big scene.

Tarn, I upped the shutter speed on the camera during that sequence to increase the intensity. It makes the movement that little bit sharper and appear faster.
Ah yes, I thought you'd done something like that. What camera did you use?

Great use of the programs, too, by the way. Always exciting when our programs are used subtly for the real benefit of the film.
Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005, 2:45pm

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Thanks for the comments Tarn. You are right about the squash scene, I think it does need to be trimmed. Sometimes you get to close to a project and you can see the trees for the woods.

As for the nasty scene, I kinda wanted it to feel a little bit too long and unnecessary, as some sort of underlining message, but if it wavers a bit too much and doesn’t feel that way, please feel free to let me know.

The film was shot on 2 Canon xl1s
Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005, 3:13pm

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Good work, with what is effectively quite a simple concept, with creating a very professional-looking movie. Details such as bringing to life an office environment to such an extent really helped, & the gore scene was amazingly realistic. Nice smooth camerawork & framing, & cutting of the different angles of each scene. Every scene seemed to have alternative shots & angles cut in which is great.

Even so, there are a couple of things that you could sort out before submitting the movie.

As the others have observed, a couple of parts are pretty dark. there's an exterior dark shot that is far too dark so we cannot see what's going on. It's also a long sequence so for me I just appeared to be staring at nothing, really.

Take a look at the splitscreen sequence, you might be able to improve it. It doesn't look edited right. The guys on top & bottom right both seem to say things which the audio has been deleted from, & the guy on top right is too dark. It feels weird when the guy on bottom right seems to say a few things & then all you hear is "bye" at the end.


I felt the music you use in the opening sequence is overused later on. On first hearing it, I was thinking how powerful & great the piece was, & then it got a bit repetitious. It is a great piece of music, & both pieces I heard were great choices. The 2nd one sounds very simplistic, child's playroom type of sound, Danny Elfmanesque. I think if you could find one additional piece to use in place of repeating the 1st piece it would be better, or even having a variation on the theme.

Lastly, I didn't think the gore scene was too long, but the squash scene probably was. Even more tighter editing would help, maybe even deleting the entire sequence from where we actually see the ball. The sequence before that works well because it's frenetic but it seems to slow down. Or you could speed it up a bit. This would emphasise the primal animalistic ferociousness I think you're going for.

On the whole, though, great work. This is one of the few films on here that has a 'movie' feel - it actually felt like I was watching something on TV or at the Odeon.
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005, 1:18am

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Ok, hurry and update those links, I want to see this now.
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005, 1:23am

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Links back up.
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005, 1:32am

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There isn't a whole lot I can add that hasn't already been said, but what's shown in this short film doesn't really work as a whole for me personally. There seems to be no suggestion or explanation to the acts of violence and whilst to an extent, that leaves the topic open for thought. American Psycho was a film that concentrated on the main characters monologue during his acts thus explaining everything that's going on. In your film, it just kinda happened.

But when it did, it was excellent. The opening moments as the cast stand in the shadows is very tense and I feel is extremely well filmed. Kudos are definetly deserved for this piece of work.
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005, 5:11am

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A lot of the movies (not all) I view here at fxhome.com, I usually end up scrubbing through it because I lose interest in the movie. I'm one of those critics that if the acting, effects, script, music, SFX, or anything not mentioned becomes poor, I'm not able to pull myself back together to give the rest of the film a chance.
The music immediately pulled me into your film. Your transitions in and out of the music when transitioning to dialog scenes were almost seamless. The quality in which the film was shot was outstanding. Your editing based on what was happening in the scene gave the scene more emotion as to what was happening. I even found myself saying, "this is a low budget movie, this is a low budget movie" to keep myself from getting sick during the extremely gory cannibalistic scene. And last but far from least, the actors were superb! In low-budget films acting can be very difficult to come by, and more often than not you just end up using your friends who generally weren't born with Hollywood talent. The four guys you chose as 'the businessmen' did an excellent job in their roles in this film.
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005, 7:58am

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Absolutley loved it. I agree with most of the critism given, so I'll just add a couple minor notes of mine (and hopefully not repeat anything!).

I didn't feel that the characters placement and identity was done with before the day ended. There were SO many great characteristics to play with, and I would have liked to see more interactions between the main characters.

I got the idea in the dark shot of the guy walking very far for his car (because the one dude parked in his spot), but I think it was a combination of the darkness, and perhaps the set-up. Maybe a facial reaction of the snivelling guy would have helped.

I didn't feel the guy who was eaten was given enough set-up. Were you trying to be symbolic with it? I interpreted it as such, but I would have liked to have a more direct link to the reason. I could watch it again, but it's late, so I will simply ask- was he in the movie prior to that point? I felt it would have made sense if he had been the one who "failed" to write the report, and was being "canned" in the cannabalistic scene.

Well, I can't think of anything else... I'll watch it again in a couple days and write some more, but FANTASTIC JOB!
This got 5 stars here, and it's a favorite of mine. Good work, dudes. I really liked this ALOT.

-Logan-
Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005, 12:04pm

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I loved this as well, but I would say that I agree with all the criticism so far.

I believe that the "nasty" scene carries on too long and also that the characters have so much potential that they could of been set up longer.

Other than that, the cinematography, editing, audio and for the most part, the acting, was very professional. 5/5
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 12:07am

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I have been a member of this website for a while now. I come here to check out what my peers around the world are doing with their talents in filmmaking. I must say I have never been so appalled in all my life. Just because you have a talent and there are some brilliant shots within the picture should never justify fulfilling whatever sick, morbid fantasies you have. I know that there is no such thing as a limitation on symbolism so why was it necessary to have such a direct interpretation of the little guy getting eaten alive. From every other shot in the film I can gather that you all are very gifted. Sometimes, however, it is wise to step back and realise how powerful this art form can really be. Perhaps the creators of this film are very angry and they needed a visual outlet. In that case, I am sorry for whatever difficult times you are experiencing in your lives. I submit to you that it is indeed possible for a film to have its message be heard loud and clear while retaining a sense of omission.
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 12:21am

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movie details wrote:

***********************WARNING*******************
THIS FILM CONTAINS STRONG LANGUAGE AND SCENES OF
EXTREME GRATUITOUS VIOLENCE AND MILD NUDITY.

VIEWER DISCRETION IS STRONGLY ADVISED.
You were warned... If graphic imagery alone is enough to fuel such a disliking of a movie then simply don't watch films that are described as extremely violent.

Although personally I felt the violence felt slightly out of place it was in itself the crux of the whole movie, as without it I don't think this would have worked. Film is a very good media for a director to take an idea and create his own world with it, perhaps that involves using violence to provide a shock factor and emboss some kind of message, I don't think that's a bad thing at all.

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Perhaps the creators of this film are very angry and they needed a visual outlet. In that case, I am sorry for whatever difficult times you are experiencing in your lives.
The patronising tone of that sentence undermined your otherwise interesting point as it is perhaps more offensive than anything in Icken's movie. The inclusion of violent imagery, especially when there is a degree of skill and obvious maturity involved suggests nothing other than the creator wanted a shock factor in his movie. I hope you're being sarcastic, else I assume you believe Quentin Tarantino is extremely depressed and experiencing difficult times and that he most certainly is not filming violent movies living out visual fantasies.

I suppose you think Bret Easton Ellis to also be rather messed up and most definetly not a talented writer that used violence as a focal point of what is an excellent book? smile
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 1:52am

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Yes, this was very very well done. Good lighting, especially in the "feast" scene, very well acted, pretty good shots for the most part. The music worked well with the flow and the story, and was nice to listen to.

In the office scenes, and some otherwise, there were some handheld shots that didn't look all that great, but at least they weren't REALLY bad. Also, the zoom on the fellow walking to his car was not too good.

The only real complaint I have is that the whole thing seems rather pointless. The scenes in the office, while well shot and acted, didn't feel really all that interesting. In fact, it's the acting and production values that probably kept me watching through those. And then we've got some nicely done scenes of the boys at the gym, and then they eat someone, and shower and leave.

While I was impressed overall, I felt that there was something missing in the end. I feel that another scene of them at the office next day, or the following Monday would have added something, perhaps only to show even more that they're completely normal people who happen to be cannibals.

I also thought that the feast may have been slightly out of place. If we had a better idea of where the guy came from that they ate, or where they ate him, other than at the gym. Also, that scene desperately lacked some gruesome sound effects. The sounds of the boys being cannibalistic and the gushing bloody noises weren't enough I don't think. For instance one guy tears out a rib, yet we have no pop or cracking noise. A rib wouldn't come out that easily and quietly unless the guy was cooked. Maybe some slight tearing sounds for the flesh being torn, etc. If you're going to do a "eat the guy alive" scene, might as well go all out, yeah?

Otherwise, real good job.
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 3:16am

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Hey there to all. My name is James Pearcey and I was Producer for this short film, and before I get into it I wanted to thank you all for you're response and suggestions. These criticisms are always helpful when doing anything and I appreciate it greatly.
I had to write because when reading the post from evilmonkey389 I had to chuckle. I do in a lot of cases question the need for violent filmmaking in general. But the beauty of this art and other art forms is that you can show the darkest side of humanity without harming anyone. This is meant in many ways to be symbolic and the violence although upfront is also symbolism. The unfortunate nature of the modern media is to show everything through slight of the hand or in metaphors that many people will not get. We decided to put the meaning out there in a very obvious way rather than in minor gestures.
Horror in films can be an incredibly powerful thing and we have tried to harness this in this particular story. I appreciate you're comments about the power of the artform and the sense of ommission, but for us in this particular piece the violence felt neccesary.
And on a final note, I am by no means an angry person, and my life at this point isn't going to badly at all, but I appreciate you're concern.
Thanks again to everyone who has posted

James Pearcey
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 4:29am

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You know what? I think the violence was beautiful, acting as a contrast to an otherwise "normal" day at the office.
I think it would have been more effective if a plot structures, and forshadowing had been in place, but I got what you had to say, and I loved it. The "cannibalee" just seemed to come out of the blue, but the scene itself was a fantastic contrast (something you would never see coming if it weren't for the title and synopsis). I agree with Aculag- there should have been more gruesome sound effects, or else minimized sound effects with a powerful score. It works to understate as well.
Yes, people won't like it, and they will detest it... but don't take it too seriously, people! If it disturbs you, that's ok, but don't whine about it! It's art, it's someone's vision! If you disagree, that's alright, just ignore it and walk away!

Really great job guys- I love your stuff, and look forward to seeing more!

-Logan-
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 11:46am

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Thank you all again for your comments they are really invaluable to my filmmaking process.

I have already made some changes to the film using your comments. Like most of you probably know, when you have completed a film you know exactly where all the problems and mistakes are and you hope that no one will notice. The truth is most people do not notice. But if they spot the problems that you know deep down need to be fixed, then they should be fixed.

In this film and my last one I really wanted to use your feedback, rather than just look for praise or get annoyed at negative comments. It really does help you as a film maker if you drop all defences and just listen. You don’t have to agree with everything everyone says but you do have to think about where they’re coming from.

I am only submitting my film to this web site, before it goes to Fright Fest in a couple of weeks. So I am using this feedback as a test screening to make final adjustments.

When I have completed the changes I will upload a second file and call it Final Edit. It will incorporating the changes I agree with most. I will also talk to James, the producer to see if we can credit the users of Fxhome in the final edit for all your help.

On one last note:

I think it is ironic that the only truly negative feedback came from a user who’s name is “Evilmonkey” and as we all now know monkeys are cannibals, so I wonder what an evil monkey is like? I’m not having a go. As I truly believe that all opinions are valid I just thought that it was funny and made me laugh. smile
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 1:13pm

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This was a very professionally made short. It looks great, loads of details, extremely competent on every level. Good locations, costumes, acting camera work and cinematography, editing etc.

Yet the content didn't back it up so it falls short of being great. I just can't really like any film when all the characters in it could get gunned down or eaten by a dinosaur or whatever at any point in the film and I wouldn't care. They were tw*ts. So it didn't really involve me at all, it just kinda showed me some nasty and left... errr thanks?

So when it ended I didn't really feel like I had seen anything worth while, in fact a machine gun or a dinosaur could have improved it alot, or a dinosaur with a machine gun. MMMM. And some hot seceratry chicks in a jeep chasing the dinosaur before it destroys the city.

This is all personal tatse and the aforementioned dinosaur/machine gun is the reason I don't like some of the modern classics such as "Goodfellas", "Casino" and "Pulp Fiction". Yet the fact it looks great and professional and clearly was the result of alot of graft means that it's getting a 4.
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 1:29pm

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Very good Feast scenes!
BTW; how was the scene where the first guy tears his hands into the victum's stomach filmed? It looked very realistic!
Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005, 8:04pm

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Watch Family Guy
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Very good, if not just excellent makeup effects in this one indeed! Reminded me of Braindead somehow, wich is a good thing, when it comes to makeup effects. smile

Other then that, I couldn't find much in it though. sad
Probably it was me, but I didn't really get the "story", if there was any. I couldn't really care about the characters and I wasn't too impressed with the camerawork either.

It did leave me with an odd feeling, because I wasn't sure what I've just watched. It left me watching though, wich is a good thing.

But I guess after all it's a matter of taste and this simply wasn't mine.
Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005, 9:46am

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Wow very very Violent but great Acting too!!!


5/5 Points for a great Movie
Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005, 10:43am

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I'm not a fan of gore/horror so initially I passed it by, but after reading everyone's glowing reports of your film-making techniques I decided to give it a go. Well, that scene was disgusting! Therefore, I have to say that you and your team obviously did an excellent job!

However, depending on your intentions, some of the story may have been lost on me. If your intention was to simply show that apparently normal everyday people can, in fact, have secret disgusting alter egos, then fair enough. But anything else, I didn't quite catch. Such as, why are they this way? Why this particular victim? And is squash the game of choice for cannibals? :-)
Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005, 11:05am

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Awful, really awful. It looks very real. Sometimes I said this is not a fake....LOL.... I have not seen Family man, so I am curious to know how did you make it so real. It made me sick. LOL

So my rate : 5

PS :
why are they this way? Why this particular victim? And is squash the game of choice for cannibals? smile
Why do we always want to know everything. Mystery is good. wink
Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005, 11:25am

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Thats quite an opinion you have there, evilmonkey. I submit that someone who can hate this movie so vehemently, is utterly unsuited to the internet in its entirety, given its lack of censorship and generally left-wing values ... and probably most movies of an 18 rating too.

If this is the most appalled you've ever been, I prescribe a good dose of reality. I'm afraid the advancement of artistic creativity through the pushing of boundaries is commonplace in film-making, the internet and life as a whole, yet is incompatible with people who hold naive or unworldly perspectives - perhaps film-making isn't really your scene, or the internet for that matter.
Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005, 12:17pm

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Xcession, we think it, you say it. biggrin

Thanks
Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005, 5:15am

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Making a graphic film where men eat another man alive is not a healthy dose of reality, Black Hawk Down would serve that purpose; a film that I entirely enjoy. It is the pure fact of how uneeded that level of gore was that disturbed me. I too am impressed with how amazing real it looks, that is besides the point. With great power comes great responsibility right? I still believe Icken's message could have been conveyed as well with less gore: the entire rest of the film proves my point. Everything is great up to that scene. I recently watched Sin City. It's very graphic yet Rodriguez is able to vary the viewpoints of the gore at times. This film was a bit much in my opinion as well; I'll say again, it doesn't take much to get your point across! That is the power of this medium.
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Apologies for the spelling and syntax errors, it has been a long day.
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Rating: +1

Well now that you've expressed your view with a less sanctimonious zeal, i'm inclined to agree with you to an extent razz

I did mention in my own review that the gore scene was too long, although possibly for different reasons. I didn't mean that this film was the required dose of reality either, simply that if this is the worst you've seen, you've led a rather sheltered life.

Personally i believe the responsibility for the messages found in films (or any medium), lies in the hands of those who control access to them. Don't want your children to see porn? don't give them the internet! Don't want your children to see gore? don't rent the film, etc.

As with any art-form, i believe artists are within their rights, up to a point way, way beyond even this film, to express their feelings however they feel appropriate. Art simply wouldn't exist, if it were the artist's responsibility to tailor their product to suit everyone's tastes, creeds, sensibilities and frail mind-sets. Even the great contract painters of the renaissance, who arguably did tailor their products, rebeled (in their own quaint way) against the censorship imposed on them by their benefactors.

I see this movie as a statement about bullying. Its harsh, its ugly and is no doubt something of a cleansing ritual too, for all those who watch it and can identify with being either the jocks, the snivelling wimp, or the hapless victim. It displays unashamed hatred of those who use their position in life to make the lives of others a misery and strikes me as quite a personal, poignant piece.

The message of this film is not the spoon-fed, agreeable "in case you didn't notice, oh weak-minded viewers; this is bad" tripe that hollywood dishes out with liberal portions of pretention and side orders of wild innacuracy.
The point is "these people are f*cking w*nkers and this film describes our abject hatred of all people this loathsome". Its blunt and offensive - in keeping with the emotional backdrop to the plot.

That is the point/message and in my opinion could have only been achieved with something as graphic as this is.

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Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005, 9:24am

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I sure'd like to comment, but the bandwith is ALWAYS exceeded...come on, get on it so i can see this "controversial" piece of independant filmmaking.
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Man, I wanted to see this but all I can download 15.7MB of the movie. I see someone smoking a cigarette and then the movie stops.
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 1:01pm

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Man this film was awsome! The gore was completely ghastly and disgusting. I found myself cringing and gasping from disgust. I felt naucious and sick to my stomach watching that seen...Yeahhh baby...superb! The way you stretched the scene to puposely make your viewer uncomfortable was pure editing theory at work. I kept turning away, only to wacth and see what further ghastly sounds would be made. The makeup was brilliant and the acting was great. Although I don't prefer this genre, I do enjoy being entertained. Visually your story was appealing, the dialogue was slow and questionable at times and it really didn't move the story. However, It was a clever and pleasant distraction. I could have passed on the shower scene, but hey whatever, I'm sure the ladies will enjoy, or others, if that's their thing! (TMI for me!!)

Overall I think it deserves a 5 for production, shock value and acting...dialogue...I give a 4...gore scene 5. Camerawork and lighting 4.95...

basically it was great work...hope to see more from you in the future!
Hey, let's do lunch?? LOL!!!!!
Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005, 6:01pm

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wow...this film was disgusting. That whole cannibal scene gave me a new look at the film itself. I couldn't really follow the movie as well. Even so...I give it a 5! I didn't like this movie to be honest with you, with or without the gore scene, but the fact that you somehow made it look THAT realistic is beyond me.
Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005, 6:12pm

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Xcession wrote:

The modern day gospel
Xcession is bang on.

I can't really add much after that... Although that I too agree that responsibility of seeing a film which may contain disturbing content is down to those allowing access to it to a certain degree, but there's a stage when you're legally old enough to watch any film in which case the responsibility is that of the individual.

Censorship has ruined a fair few movies or their dvd releases in it's time so provided that a movie meets a few simple guidelines (as fxhome can't legally allow excessive sexual activity for obvious reasons) it'll go into the cinema with an age rating and brief synopsis of what has earnt it that rating. It's up to the users to watch them or not.

I too agree that the gore is quite excessive, but it's fair to say that if this movie wasn't well shot and made it would probably not have been quite as well recieved, the gore does contribute to it's meaning more than just portaying the business men as cannibals as I believe that the entire scene can be percieved as representation of the people they've 'eaten alive' to get to where they are.

Good stuff anyway.
Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005, 7:15pm

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No doubt in my mind that this is the most horrible, vulgar film i've ever seen.


Good Job biggrin
Posted: Sat, 30th Apr 2005, 2:47am

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u guys are sick, how can u spend time to even film that.....
Posted: Sat, 30th Apr 2005, 4:04am

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Stipek wrote:

u guys are sick, how can u spend time to even film that.....
I would consider that to be a compliment guys!
Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2005, 10:54pm

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just watched it before, thought about it and read all the comments here.

Well, I don't write much reviews and sometimes when I really think the movie could improve much, I do scene to scene analysis, but here I can't.

For one reason I don't see the point, or rather I don't see the message correctly.

Acting was good from half of the cast, the effects (body) are incredibly professional, better then in some big budget movies and the music choices fit.

For what the movie delivers it is 5mins too long. That means for it's length of 16minutes you have not enough material to satisfy an audience when the movie ends. It's almost just like watching a duck swimming in the pool, suddenly it explodes and then you just move on shrugging your shoulders. That's bad, you know why? You didn't make the audience think, you just shocked a little, but 5mins later it's nobodies interest anymore. There is no real content, just images. Try to make a 10minute version and you'll see it will be much more effective. take out all those boring and long sequences out. always get to the point as fast as possible. Trust me, you'll see another kind of movie.

my first movie I finished for a work and showed to an audience (class) was 16minutes long, same like yours. Heck, now when I look back and I already realized back then when people told me it's too long, I would cut the same movie into a 7minute piece (50% off).

You know, it's a short movie... you shouldn't really use the same rules like when you do a feature length movie. There you can really build up, but here you waste too much time for it.

If you don't want to try out and cut your movie for a test, you could probably try a voice-over, which could add some interesting elements to your story. or a narrator could be intersting too.

anyway, keep up the good work.
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I would agree with you, that at the moment the film is too long.

But, I do not know where you get the blind arrogance from to suggest that the film has no meaning and we didn’t make the audience think. You should re-phrase that to, “You didn’t make me think.” There is a world that exist outside of you and they had their thinking caps on. If you had read some of the other comments you would have realized that quite a few of the other members had understood the message we were trying to get across through this visual medium and some got it right on the nose.

I do not believe the audience has to be spoon feed every little detail to understand what the writer or director are trying to achieve. We knew when we made this film that not everyone would understand what we were getting at and they would just see the surface layer, and that is fine.

Every piece of this film was thought out and arranged to give a cretin feeling of pointlessness and disconcertion. That’s the point. What they do is pointless and they have no qualms about doing it, and it effects them in no way what so ever. (we all know people like that) and I’m not just talking about our cannibal friends.

I’m sorry to rabble on but when someone compares your movie that you have shed tears of blood and pain to produce, to a duck exploding, you tend to get a little defensive.

Most of your post was quite intelligent, you should have just asked yourself this question, “What does the rest of the film mean in relation to the cannibal scene?” And if the only answer you get is “I dunno.” Then you should probably stick to watching Jerry Bruckheimer films, as they are easier to understand.

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Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2005, 7:56pm

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well said and the movie was great, very professional . Keep up the good work Icken.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2005, 8:51pm

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The feast scene made me feel sick. Lol, goodjob. Awesome movie. VERY well done. I really didn't get scared though..since it was a horror film. A 5, Yes I think...a 5.
Posted: Sun, 15th Jan 2006, 7:01am

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I just watched the film. How you made the "feast" look so real is beyond me, but you guys are sick and twisted...in one of the coolest ways possible. I, like Miker, felt a lil burst at that part. Great job though... smile
Posted: Tue, 28th Feb 2006, 1:47am

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It's the first movie I have seen with Marcus Webb, and he is truly a phenomenal actor. i think his appearance in this movie is excellent...
All good credits to all of you.
The way this is sick and twisted, as earlier mentioned, just make the whole thing even better. Guess it's in the human nature to oversee something cruel and "forbidden" like this. Yes - it sent shivers down my spine, but I liked every single second of it.... twisted
Posted: Thu, 30th Mar 2006, 9:56am

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Stipek wrote:

u guys are sick, how can u spend time to even film that.....
Clearly you've never seen salad fingers. Tee hee.

-George Thomas Spettigue IV.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Apr 2006, 4:11am

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This is one of the most professional-looking movies on FXhome I've seen to date. Clear vision and direction all the way through. Acting was superb. Great use of lighting, composition and sound. Gore effects were extremely well done and I wonder how well they hold up at television (or better) resolution. Special effects were spot on and I don't recall seeing any visual effects unless you count color timing.

As a professional editor for over ten years, one of my major complaints about amateur filmmakers is their poor sense of timing. This is sometimes attributed to the blocking (or lack thereof) in a scene but clever editing can manipulate pace in a more favorable manor so I tend to therefore blame the editing.

However, the slow and deliberate pace did not feel akward or poorly timed except in maybe a few areas where shots could have been trimmed a bit tighter.

For example, I think the beating of the victim could have gone on longer and the pacing of the feast could have been snapped up a bit. I personally tend to respond to more visceral illustrations of violence so the homage to Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" was what drew me to the film in the first place.

Overall: great job, guys.
Posted: Sat, 20th Jan 2007, 4:33am

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great film but sick still great though
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Wow, i really liked it. Although i thought the canabalism scene a little long, it was well done and looks fantastic.

Can i ask where this was shot? Your accents are all sound South East English so i'm guessing it was either Surrey, Hampshire or Berkshire, or somewhere in the M3/M4 corridor. That the area where i live and so many of your locations looked familiar to me.

I also thought the scripting was good too and so was the music's simplicity.

Well done,
AE