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Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005, 10:12am

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movie made by schoolboys art-fx(first class).it is then the film about explosion of volcano
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Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005, 10:26am

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I am in awe. This is truely talented.

Criticisms:
1. use of NYPD Blue shakey-cam got annoying during intro shots, even after such a short space of time, which is saying something.
2. multiple fleeing people in the courtyard were obviously the same person.

thats about it razz - this was very, very good.

Commendations:
1. NYPD Blue shakey-cam: although it got annoying, i was initially impressed with your attempt at it - changing colours, snap zooms, etc. Very artistic, if a little over-done.
2. Grading: for reasons best known to yourself, everything went into matrix-o-vision during the lava burst scene. I don't quite follow why you chose the slight bleech effect, but it works.
3. Lava in general: would love to know how you did that
4. 3D work in general: that exploding building is amazing.

I think we'd all be interested to know what other software you used, how long it took, what you did it for, etc.
Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005, 12:51pm

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I like this a lot, great edeting and stunning fx.

Some of the first lava bursts was a little bit wierd, but it better.

Yeah, this whole pice was amazing!

Edit: aha, you are the creator of Korekman!
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 1:25am

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bros, didn't you make that Titanic parody? What was it called.....Goldfish? I don't know about this, I'm downloading it, but Goldfish was hilarious. Didn't much care for Korekman but I'm sure Volcano will rock. Comments later.

EDIT: Oh snap! 888 posts!

EDIT2: Well, considering what others said, I thought this was going to be the bomb......but, for me at least, it wasn't.

The good:
The building explosion, and the shot about 1 min into it where the lava comes into view and follows the people

The bad:
Practically everything else.
I felt the editing was not as tight as it could've been. The NYPD style shots were pulled off in some circumstances, and not in others. The overhead shot of the ground breaking up was on screen for too long, and it didn't have much 'wow' factor. I think a shot of someone glancing at the ground, then panning to what they're looking at- e.g. the ground opening up- would've been far more effective. Also, the whole situation, and just what was happening wasn't conveyed as seriously as I suppose it was meant to be, and the whole thing seemed pretty ludicrous.

The ugly:
Well....the aforementioned single shot of the ground cracking. I know that I myself couldn't have done better....still, it just didn't work for me. It was too cartoonish; looking more like something from an episode of Aqua Teen Hunger Force than from a professional movie.

All-in-all, I didn't really like this at all. This could just be me, though, because apparently everyone else likes it.

Sorry if I was too critical, I'm trying not to be. wink

1/5

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Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 2:08am

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Very well made. The building explosion was a cut above the rest of the effects. Some of the effects at the start were sort of cartony looking. However, the top notch editing and latter effects made up for it. 5/5
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 4:03am

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Loved the music, and the sense of foreboding.
Everything up to the volcano was neat.
But there was something preventing me from totally jumping in with this all the way... I didn't care for any of the puny humans... the effects weren't enough (although amazing for independant) to wow me... the lava chasing the people was cool, but the whole idea just didn't make me believe this was plausible... Random carnage in disater flicks needs a bigger build-up... more tension... it was rather anti-climatic.
But great. You get me? I loved it, but not enough to marry it.

I would suggest making more build-up and perhaps adding plots and characters to give the destruction meaning.

-Logan-
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 6:52am

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Some of the camerawork was quite decent, editing was good on te whole. Didn't like the digital effects, to be honest, to pull that off you need either much more professional software, more time or the use of camera techniques and a mix of real, physical effects.

Not bad though, camerawork wise I liked it.
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 8:14am

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I thought this was very well done, bot camera and fxwise. I really like the running shot with the exploding house in the background, thats the best shot of the thing imho.

Very nice little test, really! cool
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 8:46am

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That was really neat. Excellent in fact. How did you do that part where the building was hit and it exploded? It looked like it was bending in a way. How long did it take you to do this?
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 9:20am

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+5

Really amazing. I guess that people who run are not stooges/comedians (may be some of them), so well done.
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 1:14pm

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holy COW
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 2:24pm

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Editing was great, went right with the music, the effects were astonishing. The ground cracking was the only thing I sai d "meh" to. The rest rocked. What 3d app did you use? Very cool I must say. The lava tracked onto the ground looked quite cool and some nice angles and beautiful style. 5/5 in my book. Good job, great work.
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 9:20pm

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That was ... hmmm ... what can I say ..... wow! smile 5/5. For me it's looks very professional, great camera work and amaizing effects of exploding buildings. I'm already waiting for next productions of group art-fx.

Bros mam rozumiec, ze nalezysz do tej grupy art-fx?, jezeli tak to pozazdroscic, ze masz szanse poszerzania umiejetnosci i co najwazniejsze robienia tego co Cie pasjonuje. Pozdrowienia z Polski smile.
Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005, 10:15pm

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Very slick stuff.

I should point out to Ben that, I believe, this was an entry for CGTalk's "FX Wars" contest in which each artist had to create a video of (surprise!) a volcano and do the focus was on FX. Having said this I love the documentary style and thought the editing etc was just as good as the FX (some of the entries were really quite bland and "unrealistic" in the sense that they looked like a setup).

Great work though.
Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005, 12:28am

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I just want to say that it looked totally real when that building was hit by that fireball..... looked like it came straight from a hollywood movie.
Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005, 1:30pm

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Hot damn that was good! Keep it up.
Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005, 4:43pm

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Love the fx when the fireball hits building~ (I agree... that it is close to Hollywood FX!)

Love the shot of the boy running with the tigger bag~ smile
Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005, 6:58pm

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This was good, very good. The FX were all quite nice apart from the initial cracks. I liked the building shots, and the way the action sequence was edited. Also, some of the shots of the boy with the tigger backpack seemed overexposed, which was a nice effect, but was this done live, or with a tool like Chromy?

P.S. 5/5 from me.
Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005, 2:28pm

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Hi, sorry for the delay my computer died sad
thanks to all for your C&C.
how we made it:
it was shot with a mini dv camera in the streets of montpellier France,
the camera we used for all the shots with sfx is a canon Xm2, and for the others, it's a Sony DCR-VX2100, nothing fancy.
then we used Alias maya, for the tracking, fluid simulation, some explostion and all the 3d postwork.
after that all the compositing is done with discreet combustion, this is where the *avalon* look is done.

all the *actors* are friends from school, and believe me 20 guys running and and shouting in the street is really something, you just had to see the face of people comming in the wrong way and us *ruuunn ruunn for your life.

the editing is done with premiere.

this the work of 4 friend,s everything is done within a month (the deadline was short).

i'm glad you liked it, and agree with most of the crtiques, we didn't had either time or talent to do better but we had a hell lot of fun making it!

we plan to do another one very soon, be sure it will be posted here
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005, 1:05am

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hey that was cool. Cinamatography and editing were really good, and your special effcets were super. Would have been cool if you developed more of a story though.
P.S. I like your detailed story board. Interesting.
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005, 4:36am

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Rating: -6

2/5

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Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005, 5:02am

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apparently you aren't aware of the up and coming movie genre of "lava-drama"
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005, 5:52am

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Rating: +1

atom wrote:

Nothing really special, in my opinion. Two well-framed shots. But my question is: What the frick is it? A trailer? A movie? A teaser? A short? I had no idea! Sure, it was nicely edited, but that's about it. There was no substance in this film for me to really grasp on to.
2/5
I think that's too harsh a critique to really remain valid as it is from someone who has gifted the Cinema with epics such as "Odyssey".

Personally I thought the editing worked well and the special effects implementation was pretty superb. Few people understand the amount of effort that goes into merging both 3d visuals and video so I must really compliment your work with the building and the car.

Although this is more of a test than anything complete, it's still great. smile
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005, 5:23pm

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atom wrote:

Nothing really special, in my opinion.
What would be special, in your opinion? And does not being 'special' really justify a rating of only 2?

Two well-framed shots.
Which ones? I thought almsot every shot was easily above-average for a non-professional shoot. Is this a case of the more impressive an 'amateur' movie gets, the more you judge it against actual professional work, rather than against its actual peers?

But my question is: What the frick is it? A trailer? A movie? A teaser? A short? I had no idea!
It's a short special effects test/demo reel. Surely that much is obvious?

Sure, it was nicely edited, but that's about it. There was no substance in this film for me to really grasp on to. 2/5
Looking for 'substance' in a movie like this would seem to be missing the point somewhat. At no point did the filmmakers set out to make something with 'substance'. They set out to make a cool special effects showcase - and on those terms, I think they did very well.
Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005, 6:18pm

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Rating: +2

I thought that I'd said that this'd been part of a contest to make the best volcano effects, maybe you missed my post. Due to the nature of the clip, as Tarn has pointed out most of your points are...pointless as you can't expect to find "substance" or a gripping storyline in a 2 minute FX test.

As for not being special; I think most of us can agree that Atom's the most Speshul person in this thread wink
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 7:08pm

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Hybrid: Critiquing a movie has little (or none) relevance to my own personal films. It seems a bit offensive to determine validity of opinion by somebody's actual work. Ebert & Roeper havent made any films, but look at how many they give the thumbs down to. Sure, my movies aren't the best, but there's no reason to diss them when it hasnt even been brought up.

Tarn: Special-
No, my justification for rating a 2 was putting it into comparison with other movies, since it was hard for me to rate. In an overall comparison, I think it deserves a 2. Just me, man. I know you enjoyed it, but I didn't.

Shots-
Sure, every shot was 'standard' or 'above-average', but that doesnt mean that the 'film' itself is good. The shots (namely the one of the girl and the 'birds-eye-view' shots) seemed, to me, incredibly repetitive and 'strewn' together.

Trailer, teaser, what?-
Yes, I realized it was an fx test, but what I was getting at was that it was ONLY an fx test. Not a film. I think (for the most part) only actual feature-films or shorts deserve 5s. (unless its something that really 'clicks' with me) It's not really 'complete', and lacks any real story. An FX test is what it is. A test. Nothing more.

Substance-
Sure, on FX, it's was nothing short of awesome. However, your actual answer really said what I was getting at. Not missing the point, but that

No grudge or anything meant against anybody, I just didn't really like it. But its cool, videobros, I thought Korekmon was awesome. smile

Oh, and thanks for rating me down for my OPINION. THATS JUST GRAVY. If it was offensive or something, I might understand, but........geesh! smile

A difference in opinion and everybody has to get all guarded. Fragile, emotional humans!

Yes, Rawrie, I am Speshul.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 7:35pm

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Here's a plus 1 for ya, Atom, you special, special boy!

I thought the cinemetography on this was excellent, and the effects were phenominal... however, I didn't feel like it built up to the effect well enough.. and the opening crack sort of set a standard...it's the first effect that gives you the impression...
Also, the way it ended with the fade into a desolate apocalyptic horizon looked nice, but because it all happened so quickley, I think I was lost at that point. Also, the backpack person looked repetative and the shots were too similar.

Great job though- I'd love to see this put into a real disaster movie. Must have been fun to make!
Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2005, 5:08am

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Atom, when critiqueing movies on this site one must remember several elements before submitting a verdict. These elements are;

A) Remember This is an amateur movie site.
Who'd have guessed it, granted there are some very talented individuals here on these forums, but even the most talented have a sense of humbleness or positive attitude towards all other film makers. Sollthar for example. The cinema is filled with both tests and feature lengths. It's obvious that you can't apply one method of critique to all of them, so you need to develop a sense of context.

B) Have Respect.
This is why I mentioned your movie submissions, simply because I don't think you've any idea of the meaning of accomplishment as you rated your own movie a 5. Even within a test, just because something isn't a feature length movie does not mean it lacks accomplishment, success and hard work. Features for which I believe Volcano is to be commended.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but frankly I think that rating this movie a 2 is unfair and well, silly. I think, and I believe others will agree with me that you need to learn how to critique movies with a more open mind as to their intention as well as accomplishment. Because at current, you have rated Volcano as highly as you rated http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo1517.html

I'm not saying that you should love Volcano or rate it a 5, but I am saying that rating it a 2 makes you out to be a plank.

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Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2005, 5:27am

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LOL @ Halo... good points.

But then again, Macbeth 3000 got a vote of 0/5 and when I PMed the guy, he said it was mainly because lightsabres and guns shouldn't be together.... I guess we should have specified the comedy/slapstick portion a little more..

I do believe in a progressive rating system... each according to thier level of professionalism.

If someone aims low and gets it well, they get rewarded for doing well... but if you aim high and miss, it costs more.. it's more beneficial to the people to get encouragement at the early stages, and critiscm later, because you don't want to kill someone's interest, and yet, you don't want to unjustly pat them on the back.

I watched this a few more times, and would probably give it a higher vote if I could (I wish there was a way to change votes)... there were elements I didn't like, but the production value was definetly worth more than 2... but then again, different people have different tastes, and this helps round the voting scale. If Atom really thought it deserved a 2, then that's his business... I haven't argued our 0/5... it helps on the basis that you start to accept the fact that some people just wont like your stuff... and they may not give good reasons... they may give no reasons.. but that's a fact of life. I would've given this a 4 instead of a 3... but the first time I saw it I was discouraged because the amazing shots and video quality of the beginning spoiled me for the first crack when the lava shoots out... if the beginning had been shoddy I probably would have been more effected by the first effects. Still, a great job, but like lightsabres and guns can't co-exist, the high aims and achievements of the first segment contrast with the effects being cartoonish.
I'm not saying they're bad, I think they're amazing and QUITE well done for independant... but the video itself is so good that it gives hopes for a higher level. You guys dig?

I'd like to see more from you guys, more lava, more other stuff, whatnot... Keep up the good work!

-Logan-
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Well done bro, that was really impressive. I look foward to seeing more films from you guys in the future.

Keep it up. 5/5
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atom wrote:


Trailer, teaser, what?-
Yes, I realized it was an fx test, but what I was getting at was that it was ONLY an fx test. Not a film. I think (for the most part) only actual feature-films or shorts deserve 5s. (unless its something that really 'clicks' with me) It's not really 'complete', and lacks any real story. An FX test is what it is. A test. Nothing more.
Ok, you will only give feature films a 5/5? That is a bit harsh, and didn't you give your little short, not even films 5's? And not many features are made at this community, maybe 1 or 2, but still, IMO that is kind of harsh. But you need to rate it for what it is I think. It was a special effects test and you rated it as if it was supposed to be an epic short with a story and length (of all things.)
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Very nice effects, I really enjoyed this movie/test. I would really like to see some more of your guys's stuff soon smile

-Logan
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WOW....... AWESOME..... x 6
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Serpent wrote:

atom wrote:


Trailer, teaser, what?-
Yes, I realized it was an fx test, but what I was getting at was that it was ONLY an fx test. Not a film. I think (for the most part) only actual feature-films or shorts deserve 5s. (unless its something that really 'clicks' with me) It's not really 'complete', and lacks any real story. An FX test is what it is. A test. Nothing more.
Ok, you will only give feature films a 5/5? That is a bit harsh, and didn't you give your little short, not even films 5's? And not many features are made at this community, maybe 1 or 2, but still, IMO that is kind of harsh. But you need to rate it for what it is I think. It was a special effects test and you rated it as if it was supposed to be an epic short with a story and length (of all things.)
I kinda agree with Atom here, would you really pay £20 for a DVD with a 4 minute FX sequence? Of course not. In terms of FX this would probably score a 4 or a 5 but in terms of everything on FXhome, it's not up there with DXM, Turicon etc.
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I can't get this to work at all.
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Rawree wrote:

Serpent wrote:

atom wrote:


Trailer, teaser, what?-
Yes, I realized it was an fx test, but what I was getting at was that it was ONLY an fx test. Not a film. I think (for the most part) only actual feature-films or shorts deserve 5s. (unless its something that really 'clicks' with me) It's not really 'complete', and lacks any real story. An FX test is what it is. A test. Nothing more.
Ok, you will only give feature films a 5/5? That is a bit harsh, and didn't you give your little short, not even films 5's? And not many features are made at this community, maybe 1 or 2, but still, IMO that is kind of harsh. But you need to rate it for what it is I think. It was a special effects test and you rated it as if it was supposed to be an epic short with a story and length (of all things.)
I kinda agree with Atom here, would you really pay £20 for a DVD with a 4 minute FX sequence? Of course not. In terms of FX this would probably score a 4 or a 5 but in terms of everything on FXhome, it's not up there with DXM, Turicon etc.
No, I completely agree, if it is a 2 minute FX test it only deserves a good score if it accomplished it well. But he said he would only give full length films a 5. Does this mean 1 hour - 2 hours?
Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2005, 2:22am

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Serpent wrote:

Rawree wrote:

Serpent wrote:

atom wrote:


Trailer, teaser, what?-
Yes, I realized it was an fx test, but what I was getting at was that it was ONLY an fx test. Not a film. I think (for the most part) only actual feature-films or shorts deserve 5s. (unless its something that really 'clicks' with me) It's not really 'complete', and lacks any real story. An FX test is what it is. A test. Nothing more.
Ok, you will only give feature films a 5/5? That is a bit harsh, and didn't you give your little short, not even films 5's? And not many features are made at this community, maybe 1 or 2, but still, IMO that is kind of harsh. But you need to rate it for what it is I think. It was a special effects test and you rated it as if it was supposed to be an epic short with a story and length (of all things.)
I kinda agree with Atom here, would you really pay £20 for a DVD with a 4 minute FX sequence? Of course not. In terms of FX this would probably score a 4 or a 5 but in terms of everything on FXhome, it's not up there with DXM, Turicon etc.
No, I completely agree, if it is a 2 minute FX test it only deserves a good score if it accomplished it well. But he said he would only give full length films a 5. Does this mean 1 hour - 2 hours?
True, but a feature-length film varies.

It could mean it is a certain ammount of time in length, or could mean it has a full-story, and is the highlight of a presentation.

I meant, that it couldn't be compared to some feature-length film on here that I gave a 5. Not that all feature-lengths should receive 5s.
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Ah, ok, full story is a much better description. I completely agree, unless the trailer/Test/Reel blows me away, it doesn't deserve a 5/5. But if it is a short or a feature with a story, then I will probably ive it a 5 if it is well made. In this case, it blew me away, so that's why I gave it a 5 or 4 or whatever.
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The Film was short but very nice. The effects used are very lively and very good to the theme..


My regards
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Serpent wrote:

Ah, ok, full story is a much better description. I completely agree, unless the trailer/Test/Reel blows me away, it doesn't deserve a 5/5. But if it is a short or a feature with a story, then I will probably ive it a 5 if it is well made. In this case, it blew me away, so that's why I gave it a 5 or 4 or whatever.
A story having a beginning, a middle, and an end is what can bring '5' status to something. DXM, No!, and Ghost Soldiers- most notably- all have distinct beginnings, climactic points, then conclusions, things all good movies should have. That's why this only deserves a 2.

Nowadays, people will give movies a lower rating simply because the content has been repeated so many timnes that they're sick of it, namely the 'a kid alone in the house' genre. But is that really a fair reason to rate something lower? Because there are so many other things out there like it? The reason the films I've given fives to were given fives is because there's nothing else like them in the cinema. I've yet to see something with the high caliber cinematography of No! or the sarcastic humor of Ghost Soldiers- save Aculag's stuff- or the awesome choreography and soundwork that is evident in all of MAFIA's stuff. 'Volcano' was just an effects test, with some NYPD Blue-mimicking shots that were pretty standard when compared to the 4 or above-worthy cinema submissions.

Oh, and sorry to drag up and old thread, somehow I stumbled upon this and decided to comment. I may have already on this thread, I don't know. tard