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Panasonic AG-HVX200!

Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 2:06am

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As we all know, Panasonic's AG-DVX100a is one of the best consumer camcorders on the market, and is perfectly suited for amateur filmmakers, due to it's 24p mode and sharp picture with beautiful colors.

Recently, Sony released it's entries into the High Definition video market with the FX1. Many people complained about the lack of a 24p mode, and the HDV format.

Today, at the NAB conference in Las Vegas, Panasonic unveiled their latest camcorder: The AG-HVX200. This camera boasts 1080/24p recording, variable frame rates, solid state memory recording, and tape recording, as well as a slew of other features, some of which are in common with the DVX100a.

This looks to be an incredible camera for prosumers, and with a price tag of just under 6,000 dollars, it's very affordable as well. At least, for an HD camera with variable frame rates go.

Read all about it in this article which may or may not be biased, but it contains the facts, and that's what matters:

HVX200 Article at dvxuser.com

It will be very interesting to see how this turns out, but given the specs and the price, and with a release date in the fall of this year, I will most likely be in line for one.

One of the drawbacks I can think of is the fact that you will only be able to record in HD by using Panasonic's P2 storage cards, which cost anywhere from 1,000-2,000 dollars, and the largest current card (8GB) will only be able to record for 8 minutes. Hopefully there will be some way to record directly to a hard drive, which will save on costs, no doubt.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 2:09am

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Sweet.

I wish I had extra money. smile I didn't know NAB was today. Heh.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 2:22am

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Wow that looks really nice. That's out of my price range though so I'm gonna go with the Sony HD. I wish I had more money. +1
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 3:48am

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i think i will save for a Canon HD camera. smile
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 5:26am

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Yikes!
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 8:11am

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The cam looks amazing from how this article described it. However, it seems like it is a completely positive review, which makes me question how biased this author is on the subject (I'd guess he was in-cahoots with Panasonic). I'm not ruling out that this cam isn't completely rad; I'm just going to have to do some further research.

Aculag: I agree that the P2 card function is rather pointless. Who's going to drop 2 grand on the ability to capture 8 minutes of HD video when a miniDV tape hold 60?
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 11:17am

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I'm confused. They're saying you have to pay $1000 for an HD cartridge that holds 8 minutes????

That's insanely crazy. Why can't they just have a tape system?
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 11:22am

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TommyB wrote:

I'm confused. They're saying you have to pay $1000 for an HD cartridge that holds 8 minutes????

That's insanely crazy. Why can't they just have a tape system?
You can record onto regular miniDV tape. However, then your footage is captured in the lower quality ProHD format. You would use a HD cartridge to capture footage in full HD resolution.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 11:26am

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Ah... I see.

Do you know the exact resolutions of ProHD and HD?
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 1:29pm

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orion0340 wrote:

TommyB wrote:

I'm confused. They're saying you have to pay $1000 for an HD cartridge that holds 8 minutes????

That's insanely crazy. Why can't they just have a tape system?
You can record onto regular miniDV tape. However, then your footage is captured in the lower quality ProHD format. You would use a HD cartridge to capture footage in full HD resolution.
This is incorrect.

The way I understood it was you can only record regular SD (standard definition) footage on MiniDV tapes with this camera, but you can also use an external hard drive such as an iPod to record HDPro footage.

Canta unsure
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 1:48pm

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Well as long as Panasonic don't rip us off with these 'cartridges' - it'll be fantastic.

ANYONE what are the HD RESOLUTIONS?? as asked above biggrin
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 1:51pm

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It shoots in every flavor of HD imaginable.

Canta unsure
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 7:30pm

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The P2 cartridges are actually a pretty sweet idea. The camera has two slots for them so you can continuously record. Once one is full, take it out and let the other one continue filming while you offload the footage onto a computer, then plug it back in. Just as long as you can afford to own two cartridges, you're set.

TommyB, read the article I posted. It has all the info you need.
Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005, 10:05pm

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I might have to go and a highly televised stylish bank robbing spree wearing chic 70's attire and wooing the teller ladies in order to get that awesome cam.

(excuse all obvious similaritys to heist movies.)
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005, 3:29am

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Whooee! That is expensive. Is it possible to get a really good camcorder (Like, good quality picture, no whiring noise in the footage etc.) for a reasonable price (under 1000 dollars)? Or am I just gonna keep having to use my crappy canon from the mid-90's? (I'm 14 in case your wondering)
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005, 7:32am

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Yeah, and there are TONS of threads on that subject. Although, i would reccomend a trv900
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005, 6:06pm

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Yamfanny wrote:

Whooee! That is expensive.
Actually that's incredibly cheap. The alternative would be a, what, 70k VariCam? smile

I know what you mean though, to a 14 year old this cam is 'expensive' and overkill.

But for indie filmmakers, this is a dream come true! 1080p, 720p etc... in 720p mode you can capture 60 progressive fps! Yes, 60p, meaning slowmotion!

I applaud Panasonic for making such an impressive camera and releasing it for so little (relatively) money.
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005, 6:13pm

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I'm waiting for Canon to release/announce a Prosumer HD camera.
Hopefully it'll be pretty similar in size and design to the XM2. That camera is the best video camera I've ever used.

Come on Canon! Forget the ill-designed XL1/XL2. Get on with some new models smile
Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005, 6:55pm

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er-no wrote:

I'm waiting for Canon to release/announce a Prosumer HD camera.
Hopefully it'll be pretty similar in size and design to the XM2. That camera is the best video camera I've ever used.

Come on Canon! Forget the ill-designed XL1/XL2. Get on with some new models smile
Then you may or may not wait a long time. smile

Is there anything keeping you from getting the Panasonic, besides brand preference? Just curious. smile
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 12:50am

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I am in love. This camera not only looks to be my dream camera, but is just barely a fraction above my desired price range...Which means I might actually be able to buy it when it comes out if i save just a bit more!

Alright...I like the whole card capture system to record high quality HD, since obviously a standard tape cannot. But the price range for those cards is far to high for me...I could never affor the camera, and the cards.

HOWEVER!

Canta mentioned earlier that you could plug something like an Ipod into the camera for a larger hardrive to store HD footage...Is this true? I own a 40 gig Creative mp3 player...and if i could hook that to this camera and use it to record larger amounts of HD, im totally sold. Is this possible to do?

If anyone can tell me anything knew, or answer some of my questions, I would greatly apprechiate it....I am so excited since it seems like this might actually be something I can buy!!!
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 1:26am

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I don't think you can actually do that, Squid. But you might be able to plug it into hard drives and such.
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 1:31am

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I thought Most external Hd's use firewire or usb2, and so do most mp3's player/storage devices. However, Drivers would be an issue.
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 1:32am

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Exactly. There are things called Firestore devices, that have controllers to record to the hard drive. Hopefully they have one in the works for the HVX.
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 1:32am

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Like plug it into an actual computer hardrive and record directly unto that?

Because really my only gripe would be having to spend alot on these so called "P2" cards. If they were more inexpensive, or if i can simply bypass that by going onto a hardrive, I am 100% sold. Especially if it really does shoot real slow motion.

Also, does anyone know what he release date for this is going to be? Like specifically?

EDIT: Wrote back to late with the hardrive part...
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 1:33am

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Right, I feel the same way.

I think the release date is sometime in October.
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 1:36am

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Awesome. It's to bad I cant get one of these before summer, since we have a bunch of film things planned, but oh well...Ill figure something out.

Do we even know for sure the actual price of these P2 cards?
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 1:43am

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Yeah, I wish I could get one NOW.

For a 4GB P2 Card, it would be $1700.
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 1:48am

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Sorry to keep asking questions... this will be the last one. How much footage would a 4GB drive hold?

Because quite frankly, you could buy a 200GB hardrive for a computer for only like $100 bucks or so... this is what leads me to belive you will not be able to hook up a hardrive like that and record HD directly to it from the camera. It would make the P2 cards completely worthless...This troubles me.

If you cannot hook up a drive, im out of luck...since i wont have enough money for any P2 cards after I buy the camera....

Alright! Here is my plan. I am going to email the company, and ask all of these questions to try and get some definite answers. If I get anything new, or for that matter, if you guys get anything new, we can post it here.

Ill try and email them as soon as possible...
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 2:01am

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I think they'll hold about 13 minutes.
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 7:09am

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Looks better than the Sony.

Anyway, just a tip.
Remember before you buy a HD camera there are other costs as well. You will often have to buy computer upgrades (more disk space, more RAM). Also, you have to make sure your editing program is compatible with HDV (you might have to pay for an upgrade or for a new program). Next, if you actually plan on previewing your movies while editing you need a high def moniter. Finally, the only program that I know can burn HD (HDV) DVDs is DVD Studio Pro 4 by Apple which is coming out soon.

So just before you decide to make a $3,500 upgrade to an HDV camera, you are also can be paying over a thousand dollars on upgrades.
Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2005, 10:39pm

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Probably more than a $1,000 upgrade...Considering all of the possible things you would need, not to mention the incredibly high price on memory for HD footage.

Taking this all into account, I think im probably going to buy a normal digital camera for now, and save up over the next year or so to buy some form of HD camera. By then the price will hopefully be lower, and hopefully there will be even better models.

*sigh*...If only i could have one right now.
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Came across an article of a guy using this camera for a pilot and he chronicles his experience using the HVX-200.

The report was in December of last year...

Link
Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007, 9:45pm

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er-no wrote:

I'm waiting for Canon to release/announce a Prosumer HD camera.
Hopefully it'll be pretty similar in size and design to the XM2. That camera is the best video camera I've ever used.
Your prayers are answered, my friend!
Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007, 10:01pm

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Wow! This is an old resurrected thread, but I'll make a comment anyway.

We use these cameras on a daily basis for our shooting all with Firestore 100Gb HD Recorders.

Never had a problem and the quality is great - well recomended!