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The Last Offense

Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 9:30am

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Idea: This movie was came to me as an idea when I was given the subjec of guilt for an english class. And as soon as I started to think of guilt I thought war. Then my mom told me a real story in vietnam, so i followed it after a real life story, but tweeked.

About: This is about an escape soilder (prisoner of war) and he is running away from 2 soilders. One being a captian and numb to war so killing is a normal thing and does not effect him as much, and the other soilder being a greeny to war and battle. now he has to choose if he is going to kill what he needs to.
I hope you enjoy this movie as much as I did making it and watching it. so far I have got Great complement, People saying better than K-text.
so agian Enjoy


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Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 11:39am

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Those who say that this is better then K-Text should be ashamed.
K-Text atleast had abit of a story, lenght, characthers and some random beauty.

I expected something better then this, honestly this was a stereotypical FXHome clip.
Although you managed to edit it good after a neat soundtrack, had some intresting angles and props/coustumes, it dosen't match up to your other stuff.
I know you can do loads better then this.


(what's up with the filesize? you should be able to get that down to atleast 10mb with Sor3/MP4/DIVX)
Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 1:24pm

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ssjaaron

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Dude are you sure, becuase k-text story was pretty much any common action story and ya it had some awsome parts but this i feel, for a short film has a better story and idea, and the intire production was alot better than k-texts, the editing is better cinematography,acting,muzzler flashes, costumes, and the story. man your response is nothing like what i got around from my friends. that weird, but thanks for posting anyway, its nice to be criticed. wink
but still it is better than k-text even in my eyes unsure
Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 1:43pm

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Yeah but common, even though this one looks better which is a big thingy around here. it's incredible cheesy, run run, crach bang, oh and a tear and some slowmotion, K-Text was a cheesy Action-Flick which made it fun, this felt like a shoe commerical.
I think the last part of K-Text was way more powerfull then this, overall this is better then K-Text in editing/directing etc. since the quality through-out was the same, and K-Text wasn't.
I rather watch K-Text again then this, which kind of explain much since K-Text is way longer.
Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 2:23pm

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The look of this, the editing & framing is great. I can tell especially that you put lots of effort into thinking how to frame actors e.g. the parts with the helmet etc.

I agree with Andreas to some extent. This has a story that you manage to convey well, with lots of emotion, but as a viewer it is nice to have a more drawn out story. You could take the ideas in this & make the story more complicated somehow, because as Andreas is getting at, this is too simplistic at the moment. Guy escapes>chased by guards>killed by young guard>guard feels remorse.

This is good in many ways though. It looks good, is edited well, is acted well, good costumes, good photography, emotional "adult" themes...but it's just too short a story to be placed above K-text! Very good work, again, & look forward to your next one (oh, maybe have a smaller file for those with dial-up? 50mb for just over a minute...)
Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 4:42pm

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Bout time we get another movie from u. Downloading now, let u know what I think..
Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 6:50pm

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Rating: +1

Granted, the entire concept was sort of cliched...But that didn't bother me at all. The fact that it was so concise and to the point kept it from ever feeling to cheesy for me. If you had made it a 10 minute long film with the same premise, then I might feel otherwise, but I felt that the subject matter was perfect for a short film like this.

Great framing, editing, etc... Visually, very nicely done.

I enjoyed this film despite its cheese, and I look foreward to seeing more of your work, since you obviously have talent.
Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005, 8:48pm

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Pretty good, pretty good.

I happened to like this clip a lot. Nice costumes, good choice of location; usually when adults don't do these films they lose many levels of realism, but i didn't feel that in this. Plus, the picture simply looked great. I especially liked the silhoutte shot at the end of this. Good work, as always-- 4.
Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005, 3:49am

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Rating: +1

Aaron:

I should be working on my final papers, but I needed the study break so of course I'm at the FXHome site watching other user submissions. crazy

I like the special effects, camera movements and framing, along with the usage of music to reflect the mood. Obviously the costumes were good too. It appears that you utilized a Sig SG551 for the rifile, but it appears like you took off the barrel....or I am completely wrong and the rifile is totally different.

I doubt if I could have done anything better in any aspect in either production nor post-production.

As stupid as this sounds, I debated for a good 5 minutes why I shouldn't have given you a 5. If I could I would have given it between a 4.5 and 4.9. The only reason I didn't give you a full 5 was the fact that everything else was so good, I wish I could have seen more of a "character development" between the two soldiers. You mention in your link that one is "numb to war" while the other is "green" I would have liked to have seen a small dialogue between the two to establish it. Perhaps a small discussion explaining the Captain's rank and what battles he's been in while the rookie seems a bit nervous.

To the film's defense, with your post it is clear that the facial expressions do a pretty good job of telling the story, considering the time involved. I imagine that due to either filming limitations or time limitations in your presentation that you couldn't have done more with this. And believe me when I say I could NOT have done a better job with this.

I'm curious to find out how you used the video in your presentation. Did you follow it up with a discussion or did you just present it?

All in all, yet another strong submission Aaron. I always enjoy seeing your work. I definitely look forward in seeing more of your submissions.
Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005, 4:54am

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Sweet. Got the point across. The "Shoot Him" part could have been a bit more ... desprate. Nice choice of music. The effects were amazing compared to what i normally see. I thought the smoke was real! Had to go back and check. smile I see y you made the follow cam shaky but it could have been just SLIGHTLY less. But overall i like it.
Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005, 5:05am

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I really liked it, I think that the soldiers actions really portrayed what you were trying to accomplish, their expressions to me really got across what kind of person they were.

The effects very good as well. I think the beinning could have been a little less shaky, I understand why you did that and I thought it came out nicely but I think there could have been slightly less shaking.

-Logan
Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005, 5:19am

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I enjoyed this immensely, your use of space, the camera movement and camera angles were visually enticing. The picking up of the helmet with the other soldier walking towards the kill was an excellently framed shot with a refreshing angle.

Your choice to use one single line for dialogue was a great example in brevity, and another illustration to Fx'ers that visual story telling with minimal dialogue is a great way to convey the message of a film. Sometimes too much exposition can really kill a great project.

A darker, more epic look could have been achieved to give a more war like appearance, but considering this was project for english, it worked well.
I reccomend some color grading (Chromy) and maybe add some alam effects to simulate a more war like environment. However, It's fine like it is! Just my two bits, again great job and I look forward to seeing more from you in the future!
Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005, 5:35am

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Rating: +1

I thought this was pretty sweet. Its been said already but I think the expression on everyones faces sold this as well.

I reccomend some color grading
Obviously u did alter the color on this. I doubt when youre looking through your camera lense it looks the same as this. Some people craze over color grading on these forums when most of the time its been used haha. I loved the way this filmed looked. I also loved the use of the shakey cam. I believe it brings the viewer in more to make them feel like they are actually there.

Anyways, cool film. I always look forward to your movies. Keep'm comin man.
Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005, 6:56am

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Rating: +1

I was mixed about this... although the framing and cinematography were excellent mostly throughout... I just didn't feel there was anything special about the scenario- there was no reason to care why the person died, there was no clear evidence as to why the "green" soldier was so "green" INSIDE the movie. Explainations should be IN the picture, not in the text descibing it.
The shots and acting were very well done, especially for the content.. but I think I've been soured by the number of these "random forest battle" movies, that unless anything brings something new, unique and different to the table, it just feels overplayed. Take "Ghost Soldiers" for example- great take on an old style.
I know it probably makes you think "Oh, well, crap, I wasn't TRYING to do anything other than what it was!"
It was very well done in that regard, and I hope you got bonus marks in your English class!
I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh critiscm... it's 3AM and I'm bone tired, and it's hard to put my words appropriately. I did enjoy the LOOK of the film, but found it to be cliche- and cliches are fine, as long as it's a new take on the direction, but this wasn't. I would say, next time, try thinking more about characterization and audience empathy!

-Logan-

PS- Although your friends will say it's good, it is because they know you, and your limits. Here on the 'net you'll get your best feedback, because all varieties of folk can see your flick without a pre-biased opinion!

Keep makin' the movies! Looking forward to your next!
Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005, 1:16pm

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thanks guys, for all the complements, and for criticing it. i like critisisim, it makes me try even harder, and i am guessing you guys are getting harder on me becuase i have impoved, so the only way to improve more is more critisisim. yes i totally agree with the charecter devlopment, i really would have but i filmed it just on saturday and needed toget it done. but also this was just a conscept for a futare war flick we are going to put together, and we are trying hard on the script (that ss john made) to have the audience become attachted to the charecters, and so this was a nice test of a short time span to see if we could even remotlly get the audience attached. Its funny because some parents watched it in our neighborhood and the about cried only because they know us, so we where that charecter development. lol
thanks again for the great replies, i just hope more will watch it and give me some pointers. thanks wink
Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005, 5:07pm

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Your shot composition is your strength. The actors were good considering it was mostly reaction shots.

I'm giving this a 4. The only complaint I have is knit-picking, but I gotta mention it. There is a shot of the two chasing the guy. The two chasers are clearly only about 10 yards or less behind him; they're all in the shot together. Anyway, the chaser right behind the chasee has a pistol, which is easy enough to fire on the run. I think he would have blasted him right then and there.
Posted: Fri, 6th May 2005, 12:29am

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Well it's about darn time you make your music match! biggrin And you got it right the first time, too. The sound/music and the video are edited together exellently, so good job on that.

The editing was really good too, nothign to complain about there. Then the color was how it should be. The only thing I did not like was the "story" as has already been mentioned, because the movie itself is just a chase scene.

Otherwise, this is better than I expected from you, although still not quite there story-wise (not that I can do better hehe).

Oh and also, work on your compression. 54MB for 2 minutes is ATROCIOUS.

4/5
Posted: Fri, 6th May 2005, 2:34am

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yeah im in this movie word yo anyways i wont say anything about it because my opion is biased
Posted: Fri, 6th May 2005, 3:26am

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I like the overall composition of this clip.

A few things kinda killed it for me:

1. No soldier in their right mind would have something that big and white on the front of their helmet, now i know the back is ok but not the front.

2. The second soldier is only wearing liner and not the steel pot?

3. Barrel to the gun is missing.

I really liked the composition but maybe some character background and developement would have been great..

Keep it up i like your style..
Posted: Tue, 17th May 2005, 5:37pm

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you did amazing i rated it a five the acting was amazing i think you should do more
Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005, 4:38pm

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Wonderfull shot! I like the shots the location and the acting! great done! Dramatic
But with what cam is this shot?

4/5 !!!
Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005, 7:17pm

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I shot this on my canon elura 2 with a wide angle lens.
but now i own a Cannon Xl1! so expect even better looking videos from us.
thank you
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 11:55am

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Sjaaron are you dutch?
If you are ok then , im 2 wink what kinda cam is that? How much money, iam searching a cam like that effect of movies with the sharp and blur at the bg. Thx
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 12:24pm

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Anyway , i liked the location where was it shot? Ireland or somwhere :p:p

me and some friends try to do the same thing as you but we cant get those good shots with a normal 450$ sony handycam , but i liked the timing and music, watch our trailer olso, its a good story and dramatic acting but there are no great shots and those nice things as you do!

TRAILER:

http://inrealwar.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/officialtrailer.mpg

We worked a bit with to small guys and it turned not so well... But the full story is 23 minutes and is good likely to see!

Greetz from belgium!
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 1:12pm

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Geofke2103 wrote:

Sjaaron are you dutch?
If you are ok then , im 2 wink what kinda cam is that? How much money, iam searching a cam like that effect of movies with the sharp and blur at the bg. Thx
no i am not dutch, i am all american. sorry dude. ya i live in utah so we have really great locations where live. my camera once agian is just a canon Elura 2 but i have an XL1 now. Also where i live thier are alot of mountains ans so we just run up the canyon and we can film with no desturbences. nice war trailer really interesting, but where some of the shots like the tank and the air planes from a real movie?
pretty cool, keep it up!
wink
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 1:50pm

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Yes i took the tank and the planes from the movie Saving private ryan, i reduced the color to a -60 grading. I imported ure movie and changed the color and it looks cooler. Try doing that next time... it gives a featering war aspect. But , the shots are the best from you, how do you film? digital or on small tapes or on 16 mm?
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 8:50pm

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I shot on a MiniDv tapes but in movie mode. ya. anymore questions?
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 7:05pm

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No thx for the information wink
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Geofke2103 wrote:

Anyway , i liked the location where was it shot? Ireland or somwhere :p:p

me and some friends try to do the same thing as you but we cant get those good shots with a normal 450$ sony handycam , but i liked the timing and music, watch our trailer olso, its a good story and dramatic acting but there are no great shots and those nice things as you do!

TRAILER:

http://inrealwar.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/officialtrailer.mpg

We worked a bit with to small guys and it turned not so well... But the full story is 23 minutes and is good likely to see!

Greetz from belgium!
I really liked the trailor. The vehicals were cool and I hope we get to see it soon. But, with most war fanfilms I've seen, one thing has always been wrong. Please do not use the Medal Of Honor gun sound f/x. Google "Call of Duty sound mods" and they will have mods from Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan. Good Luck!