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Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of The Sith Reviews Thread

Did you like Episode III?

Yes83%[ 89 ]
No7%[ 7 ]
Other (a little of both, maybe? Explain.)10%[ 11 ]

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Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 12:27am

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Hey all, I figured I'd open up this thread as the Premiere of the final chapter in the Star Wars Saga is tonight.

I have a 3 a.m. (CST) showing booked for myself, and I will be putting up a review as soon as I get back. I invite all who see the movie to do the same. Couple of things to note:

1. Be Careful About Spoilers. If your review contains spoilers, put a warning so that those who wish to remain spoiler free can skip it until they see the film.

2. If you have reasons why or why not you think the film is good, back them up so that other users can have a good understanding that they possibly may not be able to get from others. I personally like to hear reviews from the "everyman" versus big film critics, because I tend to get a better sense of fairness from it.

3. I don't know of anymore rules to post. Have fun.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 12:43am

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To answer your poll, I said yes, though the answer is no, I didn't like it...

I LOVED IT!
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 1:02am

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One of the local morning DJ’s here is a huge Star Wars fan. He saw it a while ago at some secret screening and he said “it was the Star Wars movie I have been waiting for since I was a kid”. So I’m guessing it’s going to be pretty good.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 1:06am

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just came home from the cinema. i really really loved this chapter! cant wait for the DVD!

and clone wars season 3, and the tv series biggrin
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 2:10am

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Im going to the midnight sahowing in a couple hours, I'll write as soon as I return.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 2:28am

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Doesnt come out till 12:01 PM in Ga.... i guess i will review it then
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 5:37am

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I wont see it until 6pm tomorrow (GMT +1). sad
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 6:43am

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Just came back from it


WOW....


Everything tied up - Freeeekin amazing movie

-MAGIC
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 6:57am

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It's 3 in the morning, i just got back from the midnight showing. Yes, yes and yes to all of the questions you wanted answered. I thought everything was great about the film but most importantly, it made the transition to Episode IV very smoothly. This takes the number to spot in my ranking of the entire series, go see it whether you like star wars or not.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 8:04am

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FREAKING FANTASTIC.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 8:06am

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Just got back from seeing it and I was really impressed .... that is how Episodes I & II should have been made. I'm not sure yet where it falls in my ranking of the other five movies (Phantom Menace is deffinately at the bottom) but I really enjoyed it.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 9:18am

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wow...I just....wow.

I have such mixed feelings about that film, but overall, I am really dissapointed. There were times where I got goosebumps all over (the yoda sidious fight, intercut with obi and anakin), but the pacing for this movie was, in my opinion, bad. Everything moved way too fast. THe fights were too short, people were flying all over the galaxy left and right, and anakin's turn was just way too fast. Even when he burns, he gets off one I HATE YOU. Not to mention to wookies' fight was a few minutes as well. Some things in this movie worked so well. Grevious was awesome, palpatine was da bomb, and....hmm that was about it.

I really need to think about this, see it again, and think about it some more. I really hate people who come out of a movie saying "i really don't know what i think", waiting to see what everyone else thinks, then adjusts their opinions. But I really have no idea what to make of this movie.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 9:21am

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T minus 10 hours till i get the hell outta work and go and see it.

I am excited, oh yes, but the previous two films were ... lacking.

Ever since my abject dismay at the childish, acting and scripting fiasco that was Episode 1, i've been searching for an explanation of why i thought the films lacked something. Today i chanced across two reviews which are almost completely in harmony with my feelings about Eps 1 and 2. These reviews are of Episode 3, obviously, which i havent' seen yet - but i'd say they're good reading anyway.

I'm going with an open mind all the same, because at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their own opinion and different people like different things. I don't doubt that i'm going to enjoy Ep 3, but i thought i'd post these links for anyone else like me, (of which i'm sure there must be many) with whom the prequels have never quite sat right.

1-star review

2-star review
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 11:59am

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will have finished seeing it in 23 hrs (9:20 pm GMT +10[Australia]) then will post review
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 12:09pm

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I loved it.....

SPOILERS

i didn't like the last scene when anakin was transformed into darth vader and he screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO......" i thought it was very pathetic and un-vader'ish

beside that the movie was great, and R2-D2 was very badass in the start

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Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 12:34pm

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I've just come back from seeing it with tarn and schwar, what can I say, it was simply magnificent, think i'll still be in awe for the rest of the day.

SPOILERS

A few of my favourite bits have be, starting with the very beginning shot, regarding special FX, the detail on the ship was out of this world. This detail continued throughout the whole movie, so I can see why George took so long producing it. The transformation into Darth Sidious was another fantastic bit, "UNLIMITED POWER!" YES! bring it on!!

Was glad to see the romantic affair between Anakin and Padme wasn't dwelled on too much as in E II, as Lucus can't seem to pull that genre off too well, but the ending was brought about very tragically, Vader almost killing her through pure anger, then not realising he had done it. Seeing the death star construction taking place, and everything set up for the trilogy is making me even more excited about seeing them again over the next few days. I hope seeing this has added a new spin to those much loved movies.

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Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 12:35pm

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I saw the midnight premiere here in Sweden, and I thought it was great. Now I can finally forgive Lucas for making episode I and II! I would even go as far as saying it's better than episode IV, not as good as episode V, but equal to episode VI. A worthy ending to a fantastic saga. Well done, Georgieboy!
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 12:48pm

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Really good.

All the characters seemed much better, more real and more resolved than the first 2.

Really quite depressing.

8.5/10 (maybe 9 if i'm in the right mood)
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 1:08pm

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koga wrote:


beside that the movie was great, and R2-D2 was very badass in the start
you thought so? I thought R2 D2 was one of the weakest things about the movie, especially the first ten minutes chocked full of droid jokes. If he had a mother, I would beat her savagely for raising such a stupid kid.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 1:26pm

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TiCy wrote:

I saw the midnight premiere here in Sweden, and I thought it was great. Now I can finally forgive Lucas for making episode I and II! I would even go as far as saying it's better than episode IV, not as good as episode V, but equal to episode VI. A worthy ending to a fantastic saga. Well done, Georgieboy!
That is exactly where I stand.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 1:28pm

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Waser, you sound a bit negative?

What's the matter?
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 2:15pm

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Good morning everyone, and everyone that haven't seen Star Wars yet move your ass.

!Spoiler Warning!

First of all I completly loved it, it was fantastic and I'm still blown away by the effects. Hayden was great, and the Obi vs. Anakin fight was incredible. Palpatines transformation to Sidious was awsome, and I'm still trying to understand if Mace Windu was the onlyone powerfull enough to beat Palpatine or if Palpatine was aware that Anakin would save him?

Anyway, my only deep thought except "amazing" is.. After seeing Episode III and the fight and relationship between Obi and Anakin. "A New Hope's" Duel between them too now seems so incredible week.
After the powerfull and emotional last scene between them too, that part of "A New Hope" is completly runied for me. neutral
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 3:13pm

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Andreas, you have a point

HERE MIGHT BE SPOILERS

the last 3 star wars films are kind of runied now, think about it.
If people see episode 3 before the last 3, they will know Darth Vader is the father of Luke, they will know that Luke and Leia are twins. It might ruin alot.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 3:17pm

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Andreas wrote:


I'm still trying to understand if Mace Windu was the onlyone powerfull enough to beat Palpatine or if Palpatine was aware that Anakin would save him?
I think he was just acting so Anakin would murder mace.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 3:58pm

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Klut wrote:

Andreas, you have a point

HERE MIGHT BE SPOILERS

the last 3 star wars films are kind of runied now, think about it.
If people see episode 3 before the last 3, they will know Darth Vader is the father of Luke, they will know that Luke and Leia are twins. It might ruin alot.
I'm not thinking in such a big perspective, the last 3 movies are great ones and hell, I knew that Vader was the father before I saw episode 3!
And if people haven't seen the old trio they should be ashmed of themself so I don't care if "Vader is the father" ruines it for them in Episode 3.
I just feel like Obi's death should've been a way bigger part in A New Hope.
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 4:07pm

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Klut wrote:

Waser, you sound a bit negative?

What's the matter?
Something's wrong. I'm not the freaking out fan I should be.
After I saw epsiode I and II, and was spazmatic the next day, telling everyone how glorious it was. then today came, and everyone at school asked me how it was, because my friends and I are the resident star wars freaks. And I couldn't answer. There was some stuff I really liked, but like I said, the movie moved way too fast for me, going over way too much, showing far too little. Oh, and R2 D2 being the new jar jar binks didn't help.

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-Anakin's actual turn was too sudden. It seemed like he was actually becoming a good jedi, but then all of a sudden he was like "You are sith? I kill you! aw poop, what did I do? alright, i'm sith."
-Anakin burned up too quickly. When he screamed "I HATE YOU" i was like oh snap, that's cool. but before I could finish the thought it was over.
-The battle of kysshykk was far too short.
-Grevious' death was lame. shot in his exposed heart. You'd think he would have covered it a bit better.
-The dooku fight was too short. This is one I was really looking forward to as well.
-In the beginning scene, I thought palpatine wasnt that great a character. He wasn't believable in my opinion.
-The montage of jedi's being pussies against the clone troopers made my respect for the jedi go down a few notches. As did the three jedi who got taken down in the mace/sidious fight. If they had all died within a fraction of a second that would have been cool, but one died, and the other stood there, got killed, and then kit fisto did jack crap, and got killed, all in 3-5 seconds.
-In the first 15 minutes of the movie, everytime I heard a droid speak, I wanted to cut my balls off, and shove them in my ears. THe voices got progressively more and more annoying, from the vulture ships, to the big ones that were roughing up R2. the droid humor was so bad.
-It seemed like lucas tried to inject subtle humor into the movie, like right befor cuts, someone off screen would say "hey. outta my way!" and that was when the senators were going back into the senate chamber. nice.
-The lack of seeing what happened in the jedi temple. The most we got to see is a second of the hologram video. I would have bought into Anakin's turn a bit more if I saw what he did. I'm not saying show him kill the younglins, but at least wasting some of the other jedi.
-The ending wasnt ending-y enough. I know it's transitioning into Ep IV, but it is the end of the saga, and there should have been something to respect that. I guess this one isn't that big of a deal, as future generations will be watching them I-VI
-Where the f**k was qui gon?

What I liked:
-Dooku's death. Both hands cut off, and then the head? that was brutal, bad ass, and fitting. would have been better if the fight lasted longer though
-Palpatine. This guy is my new favorite character of the saga. I love his goblin screams durring fights. Just loved him through most of the movie.
-Grevious. The part with four lightsabers, while using two just to mess up the ground. That was really sweet. Everything about the guy was awesome.
-Some shots were amazing. THe one that really comes to mind is the one where the huge metal spiral is sinking into the lava river, and you just see two blue sabers going up. Also, shots of the jedi temple burning were cool.
-The sidous/yoda fight was amazing. This was definetly the hightlight of the film for me. Intercut with the almost as cool obi wan anakin fight, this made for the best ten minutes of a movie in recent memory.
-The end of the fight between obi wan and anakin almost, ALMOST got me tearing up a bit. "Don't do it anakin, I have the high ground" BZAP. That was sweet, and then anakin yelling at him after was cool, but again, not long enough.

END OF said SPOILERS

thats about it, and what I thought of the movie. I'm still confused as hell
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i watched it, nothing to write home about, the cgi was good, but the film left me feeling like i'd just watched a cgi movie sad
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 5:14pm

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am i the only one thinking that anakin looked like luke when anakin had the sitheyes after obiwan "zapped" him ? haha
Posted: Thu, 19th May 2005, 5:42pm

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(spoilers herein)

Klut wrote:

the last 3 star wars films are kind of runied now, think about it.
If people see episode 3 before the last 3, they will know Darth Vader is the father of Luke, they will know that Luke and Leia are twins. It might ruin alot.
I disagree strongly - it will change a lot, but it won't ruin it. Sure, new viewers won't have the same experience we all had when we first saw the originals. Instead, they'll have a far richer one - rather than Vader only being the Big Bad Guy for most of eps 4 and 5, we know who he is. We know what makes him tick, where he comes from, why he does what he does. We know his huge tragedy from the beginning now, and that's going to make Return of the Jedi vastly better.

Revenge of the Sith rather surprised me. I rather like the prequels, despite their flaws. Ep1 is fairly ropey in some areas, but it held together by the overall story and setting. Ep2 I think is actually a very good film, but with an unfortunately rubbish love subplot - don't pay too much attention to that and it's rather spiffy. Ep3, however, needs no such excuses.

I was sucked in from the astounding opening shot. I've heard the opening of Sith be compared to an Indiana Jones-style action sequence, and I see what they mean. It was damn good fun throughout, fun banter between Obi and Anakin (at LAST they feel like true friends...which makes the second half of the film all the more tragic), some kick ass stuff from R2....and then, as you're having tons of fun, it suddenly climaxes with Doouk's execution, leaving you very uneasy.

I have a few niggles with the film (silly droid voices, Vader's daft "NOOOOooooo....") but that's it. The rest I loved. I loved the action, the scope of the story. I loved the visuals, which didn't seem like special effects to me at all - these were real places, I don't think there was a single point I thought of anything as an effect.

The violence and dark tone of the film really, really surprised me. It's really quite horrific in places, with the immolation and the deaths of Dooku and Mace Windu. The Jedi extermination and the defeat of Yoda were very harsh, far more emotional and impactful than anything in any of the Star Wars movies (with the possible exception of the Death Star trench run in ep4).

More than anything, it's the pervading sense of inevitable doom that got to me. These characters heading towards complete failure and terror, and totally unaware, or unable to do anything. Even by the end, after everything he had done, you still feel sorry for Anakin/Vader. And you desperately wish he could somehow go back and do it right.

Brilliant.
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*SPOILERS HEREIN*

I even felt sad for the Jedi's, especially Ki-Adi-Mundi (no, I didn't know that was his name, I just looked it up) who was the first Jedi you got to see being killed by the clonetroopers. When his men didn't follow him, and he turned around, and the look on his face was just "oh shit..." If that scene had been in episode I or II, I probably wouldn't have cared at all, but in this when, it was really sad. Just shows that episode III is way better than it's two prequels.

*END OF SPOILERS*
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I'll keep this brief as I'm typing one handed thanks to a broken arm sad

Anyway, I saw the midnight premiere last night/this morning, and I LOVED it, utterly.

I think it's my second favourite of the series, just behind Empire. It was incredibly dark, and I was shocked at how much violence was passed at such a low rating.

Did anyone else think the Cammo Stormtroopers/Clonetroopers were AMAZINGLY COOL?

Yeah, it was just about perfect smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
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b4uask30male wrote:

i watched it, nothing to write home about, the cgi was good, but the film left me feeling like i'd just watched a cgi movie sad
I agree completley. I like the old starwars because they were shot on sets and not all in front of a blue screen. The sets just looked fake to me. AND the acting except for when (SPOILERS ALERT) ,obi wan is talking to anakin in the volcano after he was cut in half, was bad. I thought that when grevious pulled out his four light sabers and started waving them around was gay looking. And I thought the fact when r2d2 spilled oil all over the ground then set it on fire on those droids was really cheesy and when darth sidius was fight windu if you looked at sidious's face he had some pretty funny exspretions. It made the fight not as real or intense for me to be honest. BUt all the other fight were cool. THough the actual saber fights dissapionted me except for sidious and yoda. The stuff like when obi and vader both tried to push each other with the force and the both go flying into the wall, THat was pretty cool. ON part that I thought was cool was when Sidious gave the stormtroopers the order to kill the jedi and they show a bunch of jedi being slaughtered then i shows yoda. And the to stormtroopers are about to shoot yoda. And yoda spins around and cuts them in half. YEah there was a big chear in the theatre after that. I like that fact that yoda so power. So all in all i thought this was a half good half bad movie.
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(spoilers)

Just got back from the cinema and thank god that was good, otherwise i might have killed myself. To have waited 20 years, read tens of books, memorised thousands of pointless facts and then seen 3 new starwars movies and for them ALL to be dire, would have been soul destroying.

Episode III makes up for the utter lack of acting ability in episode II, the terrible, childish script of episode I, and the general lack of anything vaguely, honestly emotive in either.

I do have criticism though...

...Like how rushed the whole plot was. Anakin tells padme he loves her, how beautiful she is, then within 35 minutes is choking her to death. Wars on which entire books have been written were condensed into, literally, seconds in some cases. To measure the time it takes Anakin to burst in on Windu and Palpatine, to question whats happening...and for Anakin to call Palpatine 'master' would need to be measured on an atomic clock its so brief. The Jedi extermination, which previous literature and films lead us to believe took many years, happened largely in minutes because for some reason all the Jedi of the universe were in one building on Coruscant.

I've got to say i really did not like the tacky re-use of lines from Eps IV, V, VI. I imagine George thought it would be 'clever' but it was just horribly uninventive and frankly weak, to hear the same phrases trotted out and paraded past us with the transparent intention of making you turn to your mate and go, 'oooh, thats from A New Hope!'. If you were my mate and you did that, i'd kick you in the f*cking face, right in front of the audience. You can't impress us with the same material twice, George. He should have stuck with metaphorical stories of other Sith lord's slane by their own apprentices. That was poigniant, tactful and ominous, yet without forcing the comparison down our throats.

There were also a couple of moments of irritatingly camp script too, like Palpatine's constant, inexplicable need to cackle - but predominantly, Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" on hearing of padme's death. I realise Starwars is meant to be a space opera, complete with candied emotion and bite-size, pithy epithets, but this 'nooo' actually embarrassed me. I'm talking the embarrassment you get when you're a kid and you watch your first movie with boobs in when your parents are in the room - you're embarrassed to be seen to be watching it, yet you also feel a curious sympathy for everyone else, because you're aware many other people feel the same. Fans would argue that IV, V and VI are similarly hammed up, but cinema has moved on since then. Since the values of the rest of episode III have clearly moved on since 1977, i see no reason to continue the almost pantomime-style scripting.

If theres one line. which sticks out for me in that movie, its "Not, if anything to say about it, I have". Oh dear. And what a time to spring it on us, too - during the most critical fight we all knew was coming. I rate using colloquialisms like this with characters from other worlds, on about the same level as i rate character from Earth adopting ridiculous swear-words from other planets like in Farscape. Every time i watch an episode where the American guy says 'Frell', i sharpen the blade with which i will gut the children of everyone on Farscape's scripting team, but i digress...

On the plus-side though, Hayden's acting has advanced in leaps and bounds, or perhaps hes just better at being dark. The 'fall' scene i've already touched upon for being way too rushed and contrived, but i can't really fault his acting in that scene, only the script which garbelled his reasons. Conversations which would have been stilted, over/under-acted, or filled with zen bollocks or redundant mysticism in episodes I and II were handled with 100 times more tact and honesty.

Obi-Wan has finally become a real person too. After two films of condescension and detachment from humanity, the audience is finally treated to welcome bit of reality, with Obi-Wan behaving like a normal man and having conversations which don't dwell on the metaphysical or some such tripe.

The Evil has also returned. I have to say i was shocked with how graphic Episode III was. I was expecting it to be darker in tone, but there were some genuinely nasty images in it too. Anakin killing kids is one thing, but at least you didn't see it. To watch Anakin writing in agony as his corpse is engulfed in flame and his skin burnt from his muscle, is quite something else for a film rated 'U'. I've always maintained that IV, V and VI had far more balls - the films were genuinely nasty, Vader throttled people left right and centre, people were exterminated like vermin etc - and finally Episode III has portreyed war as it really is.
Fans of I and II will no doubt argue that war was downplayed beause nothing genuinely evil was happening at the time. Rubbish. All war is gruesome. Whats different is that after two films where Lucas tested the water of the 21st century audience's tolerance for violence, he knows his limits.

The highlight of the film for me, was (oddly) seeing it wrap up. Again, this was somethig that happened too quickly, but to see it all resolve as i knew it did, from reading the books, gave me the most incredible sense of completion and of fuzzy warmth.

Knowing how IV starts is obviously essential to enjoying this film, so i'd say you'll get very, very little from this film if you haven't seen the original trilogy. Yoda's self-exile, Leia and Luke's split as twins and more critically, Anakin's rebuild into the Vader we love and fear - all sent shivers down my spine.

George has clearly rediscovered his form, but as Tarn pointed out to me earlier today; its a shame that its now too late - its done, its finished.

For all my criticisms, i really, really enjoyed this film. It marks a moment in my life which ties together everything from my childhood. Seeing the same qualities and traits in a movie does (despite my grievances) have a use and as an avid fan, its served the purpose of making me relive a bit of my childhood.
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Xcession wrote:

To watch Anakin writing in agony as his corpse is engulfed in flame and his skin burnt from his muscle, is quite something else for a film rated 'U'
That's why it's a 12A wink

Still, it is graphic for a film 8 year olds could watch.
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Yeah, the immolation scene was horrendous. Thinking back on it now it makes me feel rather uneasy. What made it so uncomfortable was its unexpected subtlety - I'd always expected it to involve anakin completely falling into lava, and writhing about T-1000 style in a big OTT screaming match, with massive operatic music etc etc...

...instead, he lost his legs (nasty enough as it was!), then slowly slid backwards, unable to stop himself, while Obi-Wan, his friend and mentor, stood and watched. He slid backwards, until he touched the lava and ignited, slowly, the flame engulfing him slowly and inexorably, the burning until there was nothing left to burn, leaving him there, charred. It was a horrible, horrible thing to happen to him - even after everything he'd done, I couldn't help but feel sorry for him. His utter rage and hatred in that scene seemed to be mixed with a desperate wish to go back and start over, like only then, at the end, had he finally realised the massive depth of his mistake.

As well as that there was, of course, the younglings scene. I really wasn't expecting Lucas to go there. I'm actually rather glad he cut away, staying with that would have been too much to watch. As it was, we still see a Jedi youngling get shot by clone troopers, which rather shocked me. In fact, the only film I can recall seeing a child get shot on-camera like that is Assault on Precinct 13. Another moment that wasn't as graphic but was equally effective was the Jedi's extermination by the clone troopers - the sense of massive betrayal was heartbreaking, as you saw each Jedi, too late, suddenly realise what's going on. Or, in some cases, not even comprehend what had happened. The idea of being turned on by those you were previously fighting side-by-side with is fairly horrific in itself.

Aside from those obvious points, I thought the whole film had a sense of doom and darkness about it. One moment that stuck out was goodbye between Obi-Wan and Anakin, when Obi-Wan heads off to find General Grievous. I had a bad feeling (ho) that was going to be the last time they spoke as friends, which made what was on the surface a fairly light scene into something horribly, horribly tragic.

The best thing about this film compared to eps 1 & 2 is that there is so much to discuss, and mull over, and debate, and remember. And not in terms of "loads of lightsabers!" or "darth maul's really cool!" or "that arena bit was sweet!" - in ep3, the moments I'm remembering are all story/emotional moments.
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Just got back from watching it. Wow I really enjoyed it all of the visual effects were spectacular. ILM did anamazing job. I thought that Hadden Christensen (however you spell it) did a much better job acting this time. I didn't think the guy who played palpatine was amazing though. All in all great movie it really tied everything up. I love the shot where Obi-wan jumped out of his ship and sliced up the droids. It's sad though that it's all over. sad
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I just saw it... wow it was amazing. It was great at the beginning, got a little boring near the middle, and the ending was fabulous.

The audience i saw it with clapped and cheered at the opening logos, the star wars title coming up, yoda killing the clones who tried to sneak up on him, when yoda fought sidious, when the breathing started in vaders suit, and at the end credits.

It was amazing. Right now its my favorite SW film, however that might change with time.
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The audiance I was a part of was also very entusiastic and that relly amplified the whole experience. I belive such a legacy will never be recreated.
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That was great.

SPOILERS:






The last clip in the movie brought back memories. I loved the duals, I loved the stuff and the movie. Not enough Chewbacca, but whatever, it still rocked. Luckily I was spoiled about nothing the we didn't already know from the last three, first three made. I though the movie was great and when Yoda killed those two clones I was all, WOOOOH. Everyone clapped at that part as expected. I too wish Kashyyk battle was much longer, it seemed like that part was a few video clips and was probably confusing to those who don't know much about Star Wars. That was my second favorite Star Wars film, ROTJ being my first. Me and my friend are doing this choreography saber test and we already have it choreographed and used the move where Anakin force pulled his saber to him, igniting it and blocking, and in the same fashion we did it. We filmed this before we saw the film, so that was cool. We both looked at eachother when that part occured and we wwere all: ZOMG. Great movie. 5/5 9.9/10 99/100. Awesome.
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Wow! I just got back from the theatres. I caught the first showing in my area. It was the darkest of all the movies. When I saw the opening scene (the one with grevious's ship) I didn't know quite what to expect, then as the movie progressed, it began to get better. When Anakin and Obi-Wan fought and then Anakin was defeated, George Lucas pulled it off wonderfully. It was so sad and had so much depth to it (as opposed the the very shallow prequels). Now I'm a fan of Episodes 3, 4, 5, and 6. I still don't the think the movie was near as good as the orignals, but nevertheless, it was an exellent movie (although the acting really needed a good bit of work).

-Lando

EDIT: And guess what? There were tons of kids running around in costumes skipping school. I saw a few kids carrying Master Replica's lightsabers. Are they going to be in trouble with their teachers or what?

*EDIT*:

Here's what I thought of the series on a scale of 1 to 10.

Episode I: 1 (lousiest movie I've ever seen)
Episode II: 5 (mediocre I guess)
Episode III: 8 (wow! really good!)
Episode IV: 10 (woot! Best movie ever made!)
Episode V: 9.0 (a bit better than revenge but not by much. and slightly behind RoTJ)
Episode VI: 9.5 (Just slightly ahead of empire. almost my favorite)

What I don't get is how people can think revenge was better than Episode IV.

-Lando
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I thought George Lucas did a great job showing the relatonship that Anakin and Obi-Wan had. Just like that brotherness and they were a lot friendlier than in the other two. I really enjoyed that.
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Ok, it's time I drop my critique. Allow me to start off by saying this film was one of the greatest experiences of my life, despite the flaws. It's all about the fans- Star Wars fans will always be the best people on Earth in my books. I was ushered to my seat by a fan with a sabre. It's like world peace in one room.
On to the review:

The text "Star Wars" ignites the screen to glorious fanfare. Someone yells out "STAR WARS!!" to much laughter. There won't be another comment the rest of the film... people become silent and awed. The text begins rolling...

War!

I chuckle politely to myself... here we go again with the cult 1930's paperback fiction films references. That's ok- it's Lucas and Speilburg's homage! I'm sure Speilburg had his hand in this cookie jar....

The opening scene was dazzling, and great. Kind of felt like I was playing StarLancer with the completely computerized graphics, but putting that aside, it was entertaining for sure.
Count Dooku has always been a reduntant character for me. I swear to god I saw yoda crack open a Pepsi after he fought him in ep2, and this time it was Anakin's turn... minus the commercial appeal. I honestly felt regret for Anakin killing the man.

Once again, the dialogue took me out of the story... a combination of atrocious writing and unenthused delivery. But honestly- if you had to deliver some of those lines, would you be enthused? Lucas is brilliant at visually and technically telling a story, but he should really pack up the arrogant ego (the DARK side) and hire a screenwriter to adapt his works.

R2-D2 is a tough call. I actually enjoyed all the R2 humor in the beginning. But think for a second. In ep 4-6, the story starts with the droids and is almost driven and narrated by them. But they play almost no part in Ep 1 and 2, other than cameos. In 3, R2 finally takes part of the plot, but is forgotten by the end!! And 3PO is redundant! After 15 mins, they might as well be set dressings!

The lava fight was amazing. I could not have asked for more... it was beautiful cinematography, and expertly handled.

Anakin's character gets sympathy, but is confusing as hell to follow. The plot itself spirals from hither and thither with almost no cohesive structure, and re-hashes a lot of established elements, or cliches throughout. And at the center of all this, sits Anakin: confusing, indescive, dark Anakin. The motivation for joining the dark side is there... but vague and empty.

Jar Jar should have died. Sure, they gave him no lines, but there should've been a resolution for him. Which brings me to..

1) Anyone watching these movies in order for the first time will have no idea what is going on... although I am going to test this theory.
2) There are too many loopholes between the NT and OT... simply not enough was wrapped up... he had 3 movies to do it, and had to cram so much into the 3rd because of poor foresight, and bad space management.
3) Despite all of the above and much more I don't feel bothered to mention, Episode 3 was still FREAKING AMAZING. It felt like an OT movie, and Lucas paid some serious attention to fan reaction.

I've never felt Yoda should wield a sabre. I always viewed him as a Ghandi-like figure, who used wisdom instead of violence, and I will never be able to embrace the new movies completely for that. It feels like a ploy for "coolness factor", not a realistic character. And the whole Chewy +Yoda thing was neat, but totally unecessary. They might as well have had Hans Solo as a kid runnin' around shooting bad guys.
And the whole slaughter of the Jedi had some betrayal elements down, but I felt it was rushed.
Screw it. The whole freaking thing was rushed. And to think... how much more it could have been!
Star Wars has become a staple of cinema culture, and these new movies feel like blunder, even though I enjoyed 3, felt so-so about 2, and hated 1.

Well, Lucas has created a world and destroyed it, and then brought some life into it again... but when it comes down to it:
The sole fact that Star Wars exists on the level it does is an achievement to be thanked! Star Wars fans, I will say again, are the most loyal, good-natured people I have ever met. I enjoyed ep3, and I enjoy Star Wars. I'm gonna watch all 6 in a day soon, and we;ll see how it all flows.

That's my review. Just as flawed and incomplete as the movies, complete with poorly written pieces and disputable points... but it's still freakin' Star Wars!

-Logan-
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...instead, he lost his legs (nasty enough as it was!), then slowly slid backwards, unable to stop himself, while Obi-Wan, his friend and mentor, stood and watched.
Don't forget tarn, you have to say if it is a spoiler or not lol, kidding. I am seeing this tomorrow, with any luck the theater will not be as packed as opening night...that is what I hope but chances are it still will be. I am liking what I have heard so far, but I think I was going to like this movie anyway, I am not as opinionated about the star wars movies as some are, but still care what they do with the story.

So, although I believe I will like it, I will wait to see the movie and then I will vote in the pole.

Have fun in the cinema every one.
Wizard.

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Just got in from the AMC.. great movie, probably my favourite out of the first three but nothing beats the originals. I must say at the end it felt like everything was just getting cramed in to fit the story.. almost seems like two episodes worth of story between that one..
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There were also a couple of moments of irritatingly camp script too, like Palpatine's constant, inexplicable need to cackle - but predominantly, Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" on hearing of padme's death. I realise Starwars is meant to be a space opera, complete with candied emotion and bite-size, pithy epithets, but this 'nooo' actually embarrassed me.
this is exactly what i mean, to see Vader like that, could make me cry. the moment I saw that I thought: "ohh god no, this isn't vader."
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All and all loved the movie!! 9 out of 10 stars! I thought Samuel L. Jackson was a very poor choice of casting. He did not speak like a Jedi, too much slurring of his words, and not at all comanding. But so much for nitpicking-can't wait to see it again!
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I felt like Vader at the end wasn't the same.

It was the right voice, but talking the way Anakin did, not the way Vader did in the original trilogy.

I guess that makes the most sense tho, over the years Vader gets older and changes -- so I think it had to be done that way, and with the "nooo" although being very cheesy, kind of fits as Vader is still speaking like Anakin.

Great Movie tho

-MAGIC
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Just seen it.

The dialogue ruined it a bit for me. The whole point of this film is that it is where the series grows up & becomes more adult. It certainly did this in the action scenes, showing tons of gore. But I found myself wincing in pain at the lines between Anakin & Padme that were supposed to show them in love & then their relationship falling apart. One word for it: overstatement. For example, Padme tells Anakin "you are going down a path that I do not want to follow you on". I could think of tons more.

In the film, people's relationships generally felt rushed, including the Anakin-Padme relationship, the Anakin-Sidious relationship, & the Anakin-Obi relationship. I thought the buddy relationship with Obi Wan was well done, & realistic, but I felt that it was difficult to accept the later massive plot jumps.

As other guys have said, the final scene where Vader speaks is pretty painful. I actually thought that he shouldn't have spoken, merely cried deep throaty sobs... they would have been more convincing. Instead, the way he screamed "Noooo" & swayed from side to side waving his arms just seemed too much like a piss-take of Star Wars.

Other things I didn't like:
- Yoda & Obi Wan's role with the babies. It tied it up too much, when Yoda & Luke in ESB seem to have a more distant relationship, & the attitude Luke's uncle has towards Obi Wan in ANH seems to be out of keeping with the fact that it's Obi Wan who gave them Luke.
- not much happened with the Wookies. And then there was a very cheesy departure by Yoda, with the 2 Wookies following the path of the ship with their eyes & making mournful noises. It felt like the ending of ET.
- seeing the Death Star almost frigging completed. wtf?! It would have been far more enjoyable to see some plans for it laid out on a desk & the Emperor saying something like "here are the plans for something which will help keep the galactic empire in check". But almost built? How sudden is that...
- the annoying animal that Obi Wan rides. Those bloody sounds it made...cute. Very cute.

On the other hand, it was a very enjoyable film when I dismissed these qualms momentarily, with lots of eye candy. I loved the fight in the senate chamber, & it was a good fight between Anakin & Obi Wan. It was cool seeing the Millennium Falcon early on. I thought the acting was great, especially enjoying the Sidious character (best bit of ROTJ was seeing the Emperor like that). Grievous was a neat character. It was also cool seeing in one sequence this woman with a HUGE cleavage going up some stairs in what appeared to be some kind of theatre (that place where Anakin meets Palpatine, with the weird balls of energy). Lucas really has grown up.
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Mellifluous wrote:

- Yoda & Obi Wan's role with the babies. It tied it up too much, when Yoda & Luke in ESB seem to have a more distant relationship, & the attitude Luke's uncle has towards Obi Wan in ANH seems to be out of keeping with the fact that it's Obi Wan who gave them Luke.
I'd say that Yoda's reaction to Luke in ep5 is perfectly in keeping with events. The little guy has been in self-imposed exile for 20 years, having previously been the head of the Jedi, and the entire Republic fell basically because he didn't detect the Sith right under his nose. He's been out of galactic affairs for a while, then suddenly the son of Darth Vader shows up on his doorstep. He's hardly going to embrace him straight away, is he?

- not much happened with the Wookies. And then there was a very cheesy departure by Yoda, with the 2 Wookies following the path of the ship with their eyes & making mournful noises. It felt like the ending of ET.
I was rather glad that the wookie stuff was downplayed. I liked the way they clearly weren't the focus of the story at all, and were just another setting to expand the war and distract Yoda from the important events. A nice introduction of the race prior to Chewie's proper appearance, without going OTT.

Kashyyyk, on the other hand, was nothing like I expected. I was thinking huge forests, but I guess they did that (badly) with Endor. The more Thailand-esque appearance worked really nicely as it happens.

- seeing the Death Star almost frigging completed. wtf?! It would have been far more enjoyable to see some plans for it laid out on a desk & the Emperor saying something like "here are the plans for something which will help keep the galactic empire in check". But almost built? How sudden is that...
We had the "plans laid out on a desk" in episode 2. I presume that was a good year or two back, as the war has been ongoing for awhile. Considering that Palpatine had brought the entire military under his control and introduced Order 66 without the Jedi detecting, it's not unlikely that he was able to begin construction on the Death Star - especially as it was the Seperatists involved with that design, so they could have done it 'independently'.

Besides, it was only the vague skeleton frame. The Death Star 2 from ep6 was built as fast despite being about twice as big.
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Tarn wrote:


I was rather glad that the wookie stuff was downplayed. I liked the way they clearly weren't the focus of the story at all, and were just another setting to expand the war and distract Yoda from the important events. A nice introduction of the race prior to Chewie's proper appearance, without going OTT.
Yep, but it just felt weird not really seeing them much & then having this extended sequence with Yoda leaving because it had no character development. It was nice seeing Chewie though smile


We had the "plans laid out on a desk" in episode 2. I presume that was a good year or two back, as the war has been ongoing for awhile. Considering that Palpatine had brought the entire military under his control and introduced Order 66 without the Jedi detecting, it's not unlikely that he was able to begin construction on the Death Star - especially as it was the Seperatists involved with that design, so they could have done it 'independently'.
Guess I'm being too harsh here. As a viewer though, I would have loved to have seen some secret building activity, some subtle hints about this big building project Sidious was involved with, rather than just that shot at the end.
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I'd have to say that this is for me the greatest movie in the series (yes better then Episode V).

SPOILERS!

The biggest disapointments for me was:
Grevious (OMG, That guy sucks), Anakin turning to the dark side too fast, Darth Vaders scream at the end (should be illegal to make such awful screams as that), Driods talking in the beginning (sounds like they're 5 year olds with multiple blasters), Palpatines order 66 (Reminded me too much of the number 88 which made him seem more like Hitler. And that the clonetroopers killed all the jedis so fast, made the jedis seem almost as sucky as Grevious), wookies (I want more!) and of course Jar Jar Binks not getting his head chopped off.
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[quote="Jonne"]Palpatines order 66 (Reminded me too much of the number 88 which made him seem more like Hitler.[quote]

That sort of thing I interpret as great symbolism. Parallels between real life and fiction are powerful ways to critique our society, and similarities between Star Wars and many real life events (the bible, WW2, religion VS science) I view as Lucas's interpretation of life on Earth in a fictional universe.

And I also think Empire is the best. I think Lucas was trying to get the "NOOOOOOOO" in as a foreshadow for Luke's realization of Darth Daddy on Bespin. Unfortunately, it didn't have the same effect because the pacing in this flick was too disjointed. Empire has a heavy climax... and Luke's "NOOOOOOO" is the pinnacle of the movie... Anakin's NOOOOOO in Sith is out of place, because the climax is already past, and it's in the denoument of the story.... oh well.. it's still an amazing movie. Visually, this is the best Star Wars, in my opinion. I'm sure Spielburg popped up for some of those shots... the cinematography is a depature in some scenes from Lucas's general style.. think Vader's mask donning, Anakin lying beside the lava... there are much more powerful images in this movies than any of the other ones... but still... Empire has the best structure, acting, and "cool-factor".

I felt at times watching this, that it was being made in co-relation to a video game, and the movie was structured to suit the playability of the game... grr... but still... it's fantastic.
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Rating: +1

Just got home from watching it, not dissappointed whatsoever.
I feel somewhat re-energised after watching episode 3, right... here goes.

ssj john wrote:

b4uask30male wrote:

i watched it, nothing to write home about, the cgi was good, but the film left me feeling like i'd just watched a cgi movie sad
I agree completley. I like the old starwars because they were shot on sets and not all in front of a blue screen. The sets just looked fake to me. I thought that when grevious pulled out his four light sabers and started waving them around was gay looking.
I can't say I noticed the CG, I found it pretty much all believable. I also think you'll find that there was alot less CG used than you think. Alot of the environments were done with models, the exact way they were in Episode 4,5 and 6 and to add to your rather odd statement's idiocy... no blue screens were used in the film, they were green screens (I'd assumed you had watched the special features). Finally SSJJohn, if one thing is "gay looking" it's the backward way you construct a sentence.

Seeing this one film really makes me wish the others were as good. Clone Wars (animated) had enough cool bits to have made the other movies as good as this one. It's a shame that events such a Grievous being damaged by Windu as well as more of the Anakin/Obi-Wan friendship didn't make it into the movies and were instead replaced with mediocre at best story-telling.

The only other real criticism I have was the way Darth Vader screamed "Noooo" and just the general way he was acting, even though it does show that there is good still within Anakin I think it would have been better for him to have been consumed with Anger and Robot-like.

What I really, really liked is how the want for novelty double saber fighting (ala Darth Maul) was totally replaced by a reminder of how kickass lightsaber fighting with normal sabers can be. All of the fights in the movie left little to be desired, perfect.
I didn't have any issue with the droids or R2D2, infact I giggled and enjoyed them all thoroughly. Brillance.

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I haven't yet seen ROTS but will soon, but i have to say, one of things that ruined the best fight in clones was C3P0's jokes, "i feel beside myself" and so forth in the middle of the last jedi being wiped out by a droid army really pissed me off, it wasn't clever, it wasn't funny and it was very childish and uncalled for in what could be pretty dramatic. I'm hoping there's not too much of that in ROTS.
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Uhh? So how does Darth find out Luke's his son?
- things I disliked
1. When he pledged alligence to the sith. WTF? It was all rather silly what what! He's all like, don't kill him, its against the jedi code, no! Slash! OMG what did I do? K now I'm gonna be a bad guy for no real reason. So yeah, they could have done that better.
But it was totally awsome right after that part, because then it was cool. that was the only real problem I had, but overall good!
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The emperor tells him in ESB.
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Gnome326 wrote:


1. When he pledged alligence to the sith. WTF? It was all rather silly what what! He's all like, don't kill him, its against the jedi code, no! Slash! OMG what did I do? K now I'm gonna be a bad guy for no real reason. So yeah, they could have done that better.
But it was totally awsome right after that part, because then it was cool. that was the only real problem I had, but overall good!
He had a reason to to be a bad guy. How do you think the Jedi Counsil would of reacted to him assisting in the death of Mace Windu? The only thing he had left was the dark side.
He was incredibly confused about what he wanted. To do (what he thought) would save Padme or help the Jedi take Palpatine down.
His reaction was a brink of the moment type of thing. After it had happened he had realized he had made a mistake, but he chose his path and he had to follow it and by doing what he thought would save Padme actually killed her because he misread his dreams of the future.
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Saw the movie again today. as many of you know, I came out confused and lost. But let me say, the second time around might as well have been a different movie, because I really liked it this time. All the pacing problems I remember hating were not an issue, and I just noticed allot of things that I missed. It's hard to explain, but something clicked the second time around. God damn, what is this movie doing to me? Oh, things that still pissed me off: the droids in the first ten minutes, and R2D2 throughout. every time R2D2 did anything, I was inspired to hunt down kenny baker and poison his dog. I also don't think the immolation scene was extreme enough. Oh, and the line "good relations with the wookies I have" cracked me up. hehehe, yoda...
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SPOILERS -

Gnome326: He pledged alliegence to the sith because he was taken in by the emperor's persuasion, and he thought it was the only way to keep Padmé alive. That was the reason he was compelled to join the darkside: the fear of loosing the one he loved. Then the darkside corrupted him, and he became consumed by his own hatred and anger. I don't see how you wouldn't get that.
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Gnome326 wrote:

1. When he pledged alligence to the sith. WTF? It was all rather silly what what! He's all like, don't kill him, its against the jedi code, no! Slash! OMG what did I do? K now I'm gonna be a bad guy for no real reason. So yeah, they could have done that better.
When I first saw it, it did indeed feel very fast and "what the!?", but on reflection it makes perfect sense. Bear in mind it didn't come down to that decision and event alone. He's been slipping ever since his mother died, being manipulated by Palpatine - possibly since even further back.

He'd essentially made the decision to side with Palpatine earlier in ep3, when he'd asked about learning Dark Side powers. His conflicting loyalties made him go to Windu instead, but his sympathies always lay primarily with Palpatine. So after the sudden decision to stop Windu, resulting in his death, the door was finally closed behind Anakin. He had no choice from that point. The turn to the Dark Side has been coming for two films, so it wasn't all that sudden.
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I LOVED THIS MOVIE !
It finally shows what the jedis really can do, i.e Count Dooku taking Obi Wan in his Power Grip and throwing him around, or even all the awesome jumps and cool fights...THIS IS THE STAR WARS MOVIE I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR !

I loved this movie, and I have to go see it again....a definite MUST !!!

*SPOILER*
I have a question. Yoda tells Obi-wan to go to Tattoin, as training awaits him there, with an old master -> Qui Gon Jin ! But none of this is really shown, not even mentioned in EP IV.
Another one is: in EP IV, OBI-WAN says that he was trained by Yoda, which isnt true, cause he was trained by Qui Gon?

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Tarn wrote:

Gnome326 wrote:

1. When he pledged alligence to the sith. WTF? It was all rather silly what what! He's all like, don't kill him, its against the jedi code, no! Slash! OMG what did I do? K now I'm gonna be a bad guy for no real reason. So yeah, they could have done that better.
When I first saw it, it did indeed feel very fast and "what the!?", but on reflection it makes perfect sense. Bear in mind it didn't come down to that decision and event alone. He's been slipping ever since his mother died, being manipulated by Palpatine - possibly since even further back.
Yeah, his decaying morale makes his quick corruption to the Dark Side plausible, but not in the way they did it, dialogue-wise. Unless he somehow took stupid pills right after killing Windu; Anakin wouldn't just be like, "I'll do whatever you say". Think about it. He's conflicted because he wants to follow the Jedi way, giving Palpatine a fair trial, AND he wants Padme to live, so in confusion, he de-arms Mace. He can't continue to kil him, because he knows that it is wrong- because he's a friggin Jedi. So when the emperor kills Mace, and Anakin is all like, "Oh crap, I friggin killed my master, what have I done?!? I'm not following the Jedi way!" That is understandably what he'd say- due to all his conflict and stresses thus far. But then immediately and unprovokingly saying, "I'll do anything you say." to the emperor.....that was WAY too fast. Even just a few seconds of chit chat between the emperor and Anakin, kaybe the emperor waving his fingers by him, to indicate Sith mind control- THAT would've made a crapload more sense. Instead, they rushed it, and the transition- in that particular scene- sucked.

Also, what's with killing the younglings? Sure, by the end of the movie, Anakin has forgotten his original reasons for becoming Sith; but if he's just coming from slicing Mace and is JUST NOW a Darth, then, keeping in mind that his motives are still not those of greed, but for Padme, and his kids; why would he kill other kids, considering he's not going to distinguish between the innoncence of the Jedi younglings and his own unborn children?

I felt this, while a good idea for showing how savage and evil he'd become, was just unrealistic for his character that Lucas- hopefully- had tried to develop.

Okay, now the film in general, I tohught was AWESOME. I thought Episode I was good, considering what they had to work with at the time, and possibly because I saw it when I was ten, but on the other hand, I think Epsiode II sucked balls. It just did. Now, here comes Episode III, which I'm hoping isn't another II, which it ends up not being. I'm glad Hayden Christensen bothered to take some acting lessons between III and II, because I just couldn't bear the fake crying in II. Ugghh.... The overall plot of the movie was unfolded well, and the pacing was good for how much time they had.

Oh, and the cinematography in III was different than all the others, which really sold the film to me. I think Lucas and McCallum stopped thinking, "let's make a good SW film" and started thinking, "let's just make a GOOD film" As opposed to the mostly static, drawn out shots of I and II- save the saber and dogfights- III had several awesome angles, most notably the ship crashing in the airstrip, then the camera racing in towards the windshield to show Anakin flying it; or the camera following Yoda as he fells through the Senate building. These shots were refreshing after about an hour of the camera only moving because someone was about to walk out of frame. Bravo, cinematographer of Episode II. Bravo.

Alright, well those are my comments.
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[edited to remove obscenely long quotes. Quotes are for snippets of previous messages, not the entire things! Xcession]

What ben and Waser said is pretty much what I would've said.

I thought the last 20 or so minutes were very LOTR-esque in that they were very cinematic, drawn-out, and even a bit boring, but necessary to tie up loose-ends and put fans at rest.

I thought it seemed very dark and claustrophobic when Vader's mask went on. They could've ended it there, or any shot after that such as Padne's funeral, but it just wouldn't keep it all together the way the actual ending does.

The last shot of Lars seems abit of a bad choice, since we have not seen them throughout the entire movie, and they are not completely recognizeable.

Perhaps if THE ABSOLUTE FINAL SHOT were of Obi-Wan walking off into the horizon I would've felt better, but for having so many good, well-framed shots near the end, the actual final one was abit.......meh.



This movie reminded me of stuff like Passion of the Christ, or Matrix, or Day after Tommorrow or something in that it had an inevitability to it that just made you a bit......sad, and created a real dramatic despairation to the film.

I was like: "Ok.......no......just dont do that.....please.......you'll be fine....just dont....nah- Oh crap, he did it!" I came close to sounding stupid when I almost turned to Ben and said "This wouldve been better if he just didn't kill everybody, or Yoda defeated Sidious."


Good stuff, I must say. You know a movie is good when you come out of it and wanna make a fanfilm of it. smile
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I don't think Anankin really wanted a fair trial for Palpy. He was just panicking because he didn't want him to die, because if he dies, he thinks that saving padme does as well.
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devilskater wrote:

*SPOILER*
I have a question. Yoda tells Obi-wan to go to Tattoin, as training awaits him there, with an old master -> Qui Gon Jin ! But none of this is really shown, not even mentioned in EP IV.
Another one is: in EP IV, OBI-WAN says that he was trained by Yoda, which isnt true, cause he was trained by Qui Gon?
I think you may be wrong there, Obi-Wan does learn how to communicate from beyond death from his master as he becomes the first Jedi to become a spirit of the force (visually in the movies) and Helps Luke throughout the episodes 4,5,6. We can assume he learnt how to do this from Qui-Gon.

That also explains why all the slain Jedi don't just immediately pop back as ghosts.
I don't actually remember Obi-Wan telling Luke that Yoda was his master, all I remember is him calling Yoda a "Jedi Master".
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even so, yoda trained obi wan at one point. but what hybrid said fitst too
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I really enjoyed this movie! Ive always loved how Lucas uses those old fashion transitions but I noticed that some in this movie were mal-chosen. Another thing in this movie dissapointed me..Palpatine wasnt as evil or dark as I thought or hoped he would be. His laugh during the duel with Yoda seemed too much like he was a kid having fun. I guess in a way that could be evil because he is enjoying it so much. But I wish he had that more darker feeling to him like in return of the jedi.

Another thing..What the hell happened to Padme? I know she was suppossed to die and all but Lucas couldve atleast told us why she died instead of he will to live is gone (probably because of ani) but still..it was weak.

General Grevious was beyong intense. When I saw Grevious pull off the robe to fight Obi Wan and the 4 lightsabers were revealed I almost shat my pants. When Grevious ran towards OBI I got that same scared feeling as I did while watching Robocop when I was a kid when Robocop's enemy (the other big robot) shows up. Its that feeling that you know something is after you thats unstoppable. But Ben had it covered.

I wasnt too impressed with the wookie storyline..was too short and we didnt see enough of chewie.

If there was one thing I could change in the movie it would be the length of time that Darth Vader starts breathing through the mask for the first time. It was only 2 seconds before it cut to padme giving birth, but it couldve been alot more intense, scary, dark and heart-stopping if it was just held a little longer, let the breathing sink in, let the heart-beating in the background sink in. The fear in Vader wouldve been alot more efficient.

I guess thats all im going to say about the movie. I enjoyed it and it feels good to have finally seen the complete star wars saga. I really hope Lucs decides to pull atleast one more out of his ass before he croaks..lol
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Buh, offtopic, where have you been element?
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Did I like episode 3? Are you kidding?! Of course!


Did oyu see those FXs!!!?
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hey Serpent, ive been in school and havent gotten around to too much filmmaking or anything, but now that summer is here and a little bit of extra cash handy i plan on making a little short film with my friend. he has a new HD sony cam..so im pumped. ill be around here alot more now .
glad to know someone still remembers me biggrin
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jrg2134 wrote:

Did oyu see those FXs!!!?
No, sorry, I missed 'em. smile There were pretty nice visuals in that movie. The acting was good for the most part.

Good luck element with that short.
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jrg2134 wrote:

Did oyu see those FXs!!!?
Actually, call me crazy, but I prefer the old miniature style of effects over CG. Not only does it look better to me, but I appreciate the work that goes into creating such a convincing illusion a little bit more.
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Alright, i just got back from the theater.

I'm bewildered.

***SPOILERS: HIGHLIGHT TO READ BETTER***

Things i didnt like:
*Of course, the daft and elongated "NOOOOOOOO!"
*The whole love plot, the lines between those two were absolutley horrid, it was like what would have been if someoen analyzed the text and came out with that... "I am going to kill people. I am scared."
"I must never leave you!"
"I must never leave you too!"
Cheese.
*The pace. Too fast.
*Some of the violence. I thought the scene where Anakin walks in to the room with the children and then... *buzzzzzzzz* was totally badass, but wicked sad.
Things i DID like:
*Heh, lightsabers.
*The action in this was better than all of the rest.
*The whole overwhealmin evil presence you felt.


Ok, so over all, the feeling i was bombarded with was sadness. I wanted to cry at some points, espesially the youngins.

Great film, 4/5, 8/10, 80/100.
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jstow222 wrote:

jrg2134 wrote:

Did oyu see those FXs!!!?
Actually, call me crazy, but I prefer the old miniature style of effects over CG. Not only does it look better to me, but I appreciate the work that goes into creating such a convincing illusion a little bit more.
Miniatures were used in episode 3, infact almost all of the lava planet was a model with cg elements put in. Don't criticise a movie for something you're plain wrong about.
And also, I take it you've never worked with 3d effects because if you did you might also have aquired an appreciation for it.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

jstow222 wrote:

jrg2134 wrote:

Did oyu see those FXs!!!?
Actually, call me crazy, but I prefer the old miniature style of effects over CG. Not only does it look better to me, but I appreciate the work that goes into creating such a convincing illusion a little bit more.
Miniatures were used in episode 3, infact almost all of the lava planet was a model with cg elements put in. Don't criticise a movie for something you're plain wrong about.
And also, I take it you've never worked with 3d effects because if you did you might also have aquired an appreciation for it.
Geez, I didn't know simply voicing my personal opinion made me "plain wrong."
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Geez, I didn't know simply voicing my personal opinion made me "plain wrong."
It does when your opinion doesn't take into account that the techniques used for the origional and the new movies are pretty much exactly the same.
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Well I havent bothered to look back at all the pages of comments here but I agree with most of what I read.

On the whole I liked it. R2D2s humourous bits at the beginning were cool but then why is he not so active in the originals? The 'NOOOOOO!' was lame. Why did the emporer have a butt for a forehead? How ugly did padme look when ani was saying she was beautiful? What on earth did palpatine say when he was killing Mace Windu?

The battle with the wookies should definately have been longer. And the killing of the Jedi should have been harder because we are lead to beleive that they are all pretty elite, plus it would have been nice to see some escaping into hiding that we could have imagined Vader tracking down between the films.

Did anyone else notice that after ani was on fire and we went to another scene and then came back he suddenly looked and sounded like a zombie? In my head I was saying 'brains' and it fit.

Ignoring how the story ties in with the original films, (it mostly does, ok only a couple of things that dont if you are picky) possibly more importantly the impact of certain scenes in both the new films and the originals simply dont work if you watch them all in order. If I was showing my children the films then I would definatly have them watch the originals first, then the new 3.

Edit: Ooh nearly forgot, the cgi tarkin was also lame.
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Kid wrote:



Edit: Ooh nearly forgot, the cgi tarkin was also lame.
He wasn't CGI, they had a young actor with REALLY heavy make up.
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Tarkin wasn't CG, he was played by Wayne Pygram (plays Scorpius in Farscape). That's twice I've heard people accuse a real actor of being 'bad CG'. Quite amusing.

As Hybrid (rather testily) pointed out, miniatures are used quite a bit in the prequels. The arena in episode 2, for example, was a miniature. I still heard people complaining about the CG in that case, too. smile

Some bits in the prequels are obviously CG, such as the creatures. Some work really well (Watto springs to mind, and Yoda of course) and some are less successful (Jar Jar). However, I'd say the CG sets are superb and, for the most part, I couldn't tell you what was CG, what was miniature and what was a full size live action set.

Even back in episode 1, I'm not sure it's possible to identify what is a real set and what isn't. I had no idea that the Trade Federation bridge was almost entirely CG until Lucas told me on the commentary. Most of the time, the only way you can tell is if it's physically/financially unlikely for them to have actually built a set - and in that case it's not down to realism, it's down to how much your imagination can deal with big scifi designs (or how used to them you are). Like I mentioned earlier, I don't think I 'noticed' any of the CG locations in ep3. The only CG that I clearly spotted as being CG was Obi-Wan's dinosaur creature (which was still really cool). When I'm looking at Coruscant, for example, I don't notice the background anymore than I would if I were watching a film set in London.

Obi-Wan's mount is a good example also. Sure, I know it is CG. Does that bother me? Well...no, not at all. It's the same as in Empire Strikes Back - I know absolutely that Yoda is a puppet. Does it bother me? No, because it's executed superbly and, in the context of the film, is very spiffy. Suspension of disbelief. It's no different than convincing yourself that a character in a movie is a real protagonist, rather than an actor lying to you.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the original trilogy used much of these same techniques. The Star Destroyer bridge in Empire? That was a tiny bit of set, enlarged with a matte painting. Same goes for loads of the sets. The only real difference is that they can move the camera now.

I guess my point is that the original trilogy isn't as 'down to earth' filmmaking as people seem to think, and that the prequel trilogy still uses a whole mixture of techniques.

This Tarkin business is the perfect example for my argument - the odd prejudice against CG that some people have causes them to even criticise "bad CG" when what they're looking at is real! To look at a real actor and criticise him for being dodgy CG only goes to show how impressive techniques have become.

I suspect the CG prejudice came about due to all the awful 90s movies that used masses of appalling CG. As a consequence, people now associate CG with 'bad', whereas in fact it's just that in the early days filmmakers didn't know how to use CG properly. It's the same if you go back and look at miniatures in the 50s (for example) - for the most part, they're awful. Not because miniatures are inherently a bad technique, but because the craft wasn't refined, or because the filmmakers lacked the required skill.

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That moment towards the end when you saw Vadar approach Tarkin was one of my favorites, sent chills down my back to see the old styles once again.
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I pretty much mirror what Tarn's said. I believe CG to be the next natural step (a step already mid-stride) in movie making and I don't think it takes anything from the process as complex 3d design is an art just as model miniature making is.
As a 3D artist myself, I pay special attention to CG in all movies I go see... It's become something I do without even thinking about it, and whilst watching Star Wars I didn't do it at all... surely that's a tribute to how good the CG was.

You don't see people complaining about the CG in Sin City now, do you? smile

drspin98 wrote:

I thought Samuel L. Jackson was a very poor choice of casting. He did not speak like a Jedi, too much slurring of his words
I disagree with you, The Jedi are not a stiff upper lipped upper class society, and Jackson doesn't slur his lines. I imagine you think Yoda to be a bad choice of Jedi due to his sentence jumbling, eh? smile
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:



I disagree with you, The Jedi are not a stiff upper lipped upper class society, and Jackson doesn't slur his lines. I imagine you think Yoda to be a bad choice of Jedi due to his sentence jumbling, eh? smile
Goodbye Tartfull, and Chewbacca... miss you I will...

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Tarn wrote:

Tarkin wasn't CG, he was played by Wayne Pygram (plays Scorpius in Farscape). That's twice I've heard people accuse a real actor of being 'bad CG'. Quite amusing.
Just because it was a real actor does not mean he hasn't been touched up/composited and so on. I have nothing against cg in fact I think its amazing that so much of it looks so real when it isnt and that you can only pick out odd moments that look dodgy. To be precise tarkin may have been composited badly or something because he doesn't fit in with the rest of the scene. The way he looks dodgy can not be just bad makeup because it effects all of him rather than just his head.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

drspin98 wrote:

I thought Samuel L. Jackson was a very poor choice of casting. He did not speak like a Jedi, too much slurring of his words
I disagree with you, The Jedi are not a stiff upper lipped upper class society, and Jackson doesn't slur his lines. I imagine you think Yoda to be a bad choice of Jedi due to his sentence jumbling, eh? smile
I think he is brilliant because he was so grumpy all the time. He adds to the impression that Jedi are not perfect, merely striving to be.
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I too found Jackson to be a little unconvincing as well. And while I love him as an actor he seems a little out of place in this type of setting. I did however, enjoy the sequence where he flashed back to his padawan days.

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jstow-that was FUNNY!! I stand by my assesment of Jackson. Jedi- stiff upper lip? No, but noble, they are.
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jstow222 wrote:

I too found Jackson to be a little unconvincing as well. And while I love him as an actor he seems a little out of place in this type of setting. I did however, enjoy the sequence where he flashed back to his padawan days.
HAHAHA! Plus one in my book, anyday.
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let me take a few steps back and just say I didn't like Tarkin's cameo. He even left off screen, as if he was thinking "yeah, I even know this is lame"
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No where else to post about this:

The Parade of Unfortunate Star Wars Costumes

Pretty damn funny
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 1:39pm

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I disagree with anyone who said that the "Noooo" was cheesey. Was it somehing the Darth Vader of films IV, V , or VI would have done-certainly not! But remember, this fellow had 18 or so years of the dark side in him before we saw him in those, the Darth in III had had quite a bit of good in him just a couple of days before. He loved Padme, that was the reason he became Darth. The evil in him grew. His outburst of emotion was no doubt a show of the fact that a little good still was in him, which we found out in VI never died . Just a thought!
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 1:59pm

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You're just a tad late to the party, bud.


And the "Nooooooo!!!!" was cheesy. Don't kid yourself.
Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005, 2:04pm

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I saw it on opening night, came home and over the next couple of days read the posts about it on here. I saw it again last night and felt complelled to post my oh so important (LOL) opinion. Besides I usually am fashionably late for a party!
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 6:34pm

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The NOOOOOOOOOOO wasn't cheesy. Vader is letting out his anger in that scene.

What would you do if your wife, that was pregnant too, was killed? razz
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 7:10pm

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I'd straight up be like

"BIATCH! THAT HURT ME ON DA INSIDE LIKE A CAP TO DA HEART! MOFOOOOOO!!!!!!"
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 8:31pm

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DarkJedi07 wrote:

What would you do if your wife, that was pregnant too, was killed? razz
NO ONE says NOOOOOOOOOO!. That's a movie thing, and it can never be used well. He's DARTH VADER. Why not just blow some sh*t up instead of yelling that to let out his anger?
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 9:13pm

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Yeah, I'd just go anhhiliate a planet or crunch some necks. That nooooo Was just...Well, i was laughing..
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 11:05pm

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He could have killed Palpatine since he was standing right there.
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 11:07pm

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If anything horrible ever happens to someone I know, I'm determined to scream "NOOOOOOOOOooooo!", just to prove all you cynics wrong. razz
Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005, 11:12pm

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Now that would be fun, Tarn, but I think killing the closest person next to you would be more fun. Or you could just do both. You know the whole killing two birds with one stone thing, proving the cynics wrong and killing the closest person to you, now that would be fun. razz
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 3:12am

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Tarn wrote:

If anything horrible ever happens to someone I know, I'm determined to scream "NOOOOOOOOOooooo!", just to prove all you cynics wrong. razz
LOL biggrin

Obi-Wan screamed nooooooooooo when Qui-Gon got all noobed up with a lightsaber by Maul. razz But you don't complain about Obi-Wan's yell? Or Tarn's yell? haha razz
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 4:10am

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Yeah, but Obi-Wan was screaming as it happened, he was actually yelling to, in his eyes, take back what was happening to Qui-Gon. For instance, if your dog runs in the middle of the street, and a car comes at it and hits it, and you're standing there, you'd be like, "Nooo!!!!!!" But if you were sitting inside drinkind lemonade and someone told you, "Your dog just got hit by a car", you'd run outside and maybe cry because it's all happening so fast. You wouldn't take a swig of your lemonade, then poetically yell- for like two minutes, mind you- "Noooooo!!!!!!!"
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 11:08am

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atom wrote:

Yeah, but Obi-Wan was screaming as it happened, he was actually yelling to, in his eyes, take back what was happening to Qui-Gon. For instance, if your dog runs in the middle of the street, and a car comes at it and hits it, and you're standing there, you'd be like, "Nooo!!!!!!" But if you were sitting inside drinkind lemonade and someone told you, "Your dog just got hit by a car", you'd run outside and maybe cry because it's all happening so fast. You wouldn't take a swig of your lemonade, then poetically yell- for like two minutes, mind you- "Noooooo!!!!!!!"
Well.. it's a movie. razz
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 2:04pm

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Boy, the next thing you're going to tell me is that Jedis are not real either!
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 2:50pm

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drspin98 wrote:

Boy, the next thing you're going to tell me is that Jedis are not real either!
WHAT!?!... Jedis aren't real??????



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 5:01pm

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...um...well...this thread got ressurected, didn't it?

In a nutshell, I didn't like it. There, I kept it simple.
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 5:44pm

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koga-you win my vote for best line in this thread!! Very funny!!!
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 9:02pm

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Rating: -1

Umm...as you see my name is SWG33K...(Star Wars Geek) ummm...i have to say that it was quite disapointing....(i better not got rated down...this is a vote poll so dont your dare!(LOL)

All i can say is that for the last movie video game...it was not too good...it only got reated a 6.7 on Gamespot and it was too easy to beat...also the graphice were not very special....i have to say the extra movie was HALARIOUS!!

I was wondering what Anakin was going to do on Obi-Wan when he flipped up in the air...wink
Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005, 6:20pm

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I liked it. And since I have been on this Star Wars thing since the beginning, I was Lucas's target audience. He succeeded with me, so he succeeded.