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Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 1:25pm

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alexanderj

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my freind brought over his camera ,we made the movie .so when i connected the usb to the camera (dont have firewire)it said i need to install software it said unable, couldnt find or something like that what do i do?how do i get this software because the computer just doesnt find it after that!

help!!!!!!
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 1:30pm

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It would be nice to know which camera you are talking about. Although, I would definently use FireWire instead of USB. Where don't you have firewire? In the camera or in the computer?
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 1:30pm

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ok if this camera supports usb streaming then the necessary software should have come with the camera. Be warned, not all camcorders with USB can transfer video this way. Sometimes its for photos only
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:22pm

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i have a sony handycam camera. it uses tape. i don't have firewire in my computer.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:30pm

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Firewire is significantly faster than USB, even USB2. I don't know where you are but here in the good old USA, you can find a firewire card for under $25.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:47pm

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so could you tell me what the fire wir card is looks like and what it does rickblackmon that would be great thanks
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 8:09pm

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There are two types of firewire ports. There is this kind
and there is the one that sony makes called ieee. link (no idea how to spell that really) which looks like this
I don't think there is a difference in the two in terms of speed, but I might be wrong. That's what those look like anyway.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 8:13pm

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On PC's its also called ieee 1394. Firewire is a Mac term wink
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 8:27pm

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I use a Pinnacle *cringe* MovieBox for my analogue Cam. It's a little box that sits on top of your system, and will accept input from 3-pin and S-Video. This means that you can also connect it up to a DVD or VHS player (or even a games console).
The disadvantage of this box it that it records as it plays, so it takes as long to get a file as it does to play it.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 8:39pm

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yes thats what they call analog.....

*sry for pointless post :$

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Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 9:02pm

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I think anomynous tipster knows that but thanks for the pointless post...
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 10:54pm

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Anonymous Tipster wrote:


The disadvantage of this box it that it records as it plays, so it takes as long to get a file as it does to play it.
ALL video editing is like this ie it plays in real time.

Firewire, also called I-link (mac), iee1394 (Proper name), DV In/Out (on camera's and decks)
is a network protocol developed by apple which has now become a standard for digital video transfer for the Mini-DV, DV, DVCAM and HDV formats and also DVCPRO can use this as well as SDI.

USB is a Universal Serial Bus and not designed to transfer video natively
and no professional editing applications support this whereas all will support firewire.
The difference in pin size:
The smaller connector is a 4 pin connector most commonly found on
camera's,decks and the higher end of the editing cards.
The larger connector is a 6 pin connector and serves exactly the same purpose but additionally has a power feed running through it, these are most commonly found on true firewire cards, firewire hardrives
and is increasingly being found on the newer HD cams
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 5:36am

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AcjPictures wrote:

There are two types of firewire ports. There is this kind
and there is the one that sony makes called ieee. link (no idea how to spell that really) which looks like this
I don't think there is a difference in the two in terms of speed, but I might be wrong. That's what those look like anyway.
The ones at the top are called 6-pin IEE1394 ports and the one at the bottom is a 4-pin IEE1394 port.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 5:42am

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so the picture at the bottom the 4 pin one do you buy that and stick it into your computer somewhere?
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 7:49am

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Firewire is the real name of Firewire now, on Mac and PC. IEEE1394 is the name of the standard, iLink is Sonys name for it.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 8:15am

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Ok the two photos show are as rightly described a 6 pin IEEE1394 socket and a 4 pin IEEE1394 Plug. If you buy a firewire/IEEE1394 board for your PC it will most likely have the sockets in the top photo. The small 4 pin plug goes into the firewire (ilink if its a sony) output of your camcorder. So what you need is this. Get the board or breakout box (pinnacle as mentioned above) and install that on your PC. Get a 4 pin to 6 pin firewire cable, plug the 6 pin end into your PC and the 4 pin end into the camcorder. Your Editing and capture software should automaticallydetect your camera and be able to control it like a remote control. make sure your camera is in playback mode it you're capturing video from a tape you previously recorded. Before you ask why there are 6 pin and 4 pin sockets and plugs, if I remember right 6 pin allows a device to be powered over firewire a bit like some USB devices (webcams and the like) are powered by USB. So 6 pin to 6 pin connections carry power as well as data
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 8:28am

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Its funny how people don't read,.

I-link was not sony it was apple who always do things with I's
although to be honest i think sony was pretty well involved from the start

I MAC
I POD
I MOVIE

all apple
Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2005, 8:45am

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madmardy - iLink is SONY, NOT APPLE. You need to read up on your computer history. A simple google will show you that you are wrong.

Firewire was created by Apple as a way to connect internal hard drives back in the late 80s way before they introduced the "i" as the indicator the consumer products (originally standing for "internet") on the iMac.

Firewire was not a consumer product. Apple named it Firewire (hence it now has Firewire 400/800) and it then became the standard IEEE1394 on the PC. In the 90s Sony then used this standard to create iLink on its DV cameras and VAIO computers - a name it still uses to this day.

It is now meant to be known as Firewire on both Mac and the PC but many hardware companies still call it IEEE1394.
Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2005, 9:01am

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Schwar is absolutely correct. ilink is totally and purely Sony's name for Firewire. As always Sony have to do in differently. In this case trying to pretend that ilink is something unique to them, I wonder how many have paid Sony prices for an "iLink" cable when they could have got a Firewire cable much cheaper elsewhere. It's clever marketing but it's industry standard IEEE1394
Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2005, 3:33pm

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dont want to be pain but you kind of got off my question
lol


i dont have a firwire port in my computer so do i have to get someting that will give me a firwire port
something to stick into my computer

thanx
Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2005, 7:46pm

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To answer your question, yes you will need to go buy a firewire card for your pc... they aren't too expensive, you can pick one up most places for around $30... You will also need to buy a 4-pin to 6-pin firewire cable to connect the camera to your new card...

The USB connection on your camera is only meant to transfer still images from your camera to your pc, its not meant for video transfer...



Also, I really don't think that this is the proper place to be posting a question like this... The EffectsLab Help section of the forum is meant for questions and problems dealing specifically with FxHome's new EffectsLab program, not general editing questions, so in the future, try posting questions like this in the Filmmaker's Forum section instead of this area
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2005, 2:42am

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If you have trouble understanding what firewire is or how to find it on your computer check out this post that I made a while ago. Yes you do need a firewire (also known as IEEE1394) to capture video because USB is generally too slow to capture full quality video in realtime.

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=156294&highlight=firewire#156294

I also agree with Jag, this should have been posted somewhere else. It has nothing to do with Effects Lab. Try to remember that next time.

Anyway hope this helps smile .
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2005, 5:56am

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oh sorry about that !
anyway thanx all you guys your great help!