You are viewing an archive of the old fxhome.com forums. The community has since moved to hitfilm.com.

Happy Slapping

Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 3:42pm

Post 1 of 45

callum_slade

Force: 279 | Joined: 22nd Jun 2002 | Posts: 150

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

I'm sure everyone has heard about this stupid new craze people do where they run up and slap someone they dont know around the face film it and send it around via bluetooth to there mates.

What do you guys think of it? I personally think chavs cant get any lower now that this craze has come about you would think they had some form of a brain!


Thanks.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 3:48pm

Post 2 of 45

Mellifluous

Force: 5604 | Joined: 6th Oct 2002 | Posts: 3782

EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

Turds. No I haven't heard of it, but if anyone did that to me I'd sue the feckers for assault & battery. That'd soon squash the craze
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:03pm

Post 3 of 45

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Rating: +1

Mellifluous wrote:

Turds. No I haven't heard of it, but if anyone did that to me I'd sue the feckers for assault & battery. That'd soon squash the craze
Yeah, I think anyone that did that to me would get a happy kick in the balls followed closely by a happy stamp on the ribs. smile
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:05pm

Post 4 of 45

Mellifluous

Force: 5604 | Joined: 6th Oct 2002 | Posts: 3782

EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

Heh, agreed, I'd do that before I did a citizen's arrest & sat on them.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:06pm

Post 5 of 45

Simon K Jones

Force: 27955 | Joined: 1st Jan 2002 | Posts: 11683

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 5 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User PhotoKey 3 Plug-in User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User

FXhome Team Member

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4563419.stm

I find it very depressing that there are kids that are so astoundingly bored this is the best they can come up with to pass the time.

My thoughts on what should be done with people like this aren't really suitable for this forum.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:18pm

Post 6 of 45

Joshwa

Force: 495 | Joined: 16th Feb 2004 | Posts: 236

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

3 people got excluded from our school for doing this, I've seen videos of it and its seriously disturbing.

Last edited Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:29pm; edited 2 times in total.

Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:22pm

Post 7 of 45

er-no

Force: 9531 | Joined: 24th Sep 2002 | Posts: 3964

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

As Hybrid-Halo said, if someone came and did that to me I'd promptly attack by via a variety of means, each more painful than the last.

Chuds who do this should have their fingers removed.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 4:44pm

Post 8 of 45

Cogz

Force: 16050 | Joined: 18th Jun 2002 | Posts: 674

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 5 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

FXhome Team Member

This sickens me, school is supposed to be for learning, meeting friends and generally having fun. Violence like this seems to be getting worse these days, pupils who take part in this sort of thing should be severely punished.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 5:31pm

Post 9 of 45

Redhawksrymmer

Force: 18442 | Joined: 19th Aug 2002 | Posts: 2620

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User PhotoKey 3 Plug-in User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

a happy kick in the balls followed closely by a happy stamp on the ribs. smile
biggrin Lol
Yeah, I would probably do the same, although I havn't heard of anything like it before.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 7:37pm

Post 10 of 45

BackOfTheHearse

Force: 2660 | Joined: 17th Nov 2001 | Posts: 1099

EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Is this something that mainly occurs in the UK? If so, at least your youth doesn't light themselves on fire in order to emulate an MTV series.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 7:45pm

Post 11 of 45

The video machine

Force: 266 | Joined: 12th Jul 2004 | Posts: 284

Windows User

Gold Member

Apparently there were a load of (dirty...) chavs on a "tube train?" in london and some random bloke was the only adult in the car(raige?) and the chav's were happy slapping him until his face was blue.

It's disgusting... All chavs should be castrated with a rusty spoon/ fork or sandpaper.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 8:35pm

Post 12 of 45

Squid

Force: 495 | Joined: 17th Jan 2005 | Posts: 317

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

This really is quite disturbing...It always bothers me when I have to see examples of the youth of today doing some very cruel and inhumane things...for fun.

"Slap attacking" a girl till she is unconsious? Sending her to the hospital?

I recently heard about a couple of teenagers that tied a cat to the back of their car, and drove around town dragging the cat until there was very little left.

I fail to see the humor in these acts.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 8:50pm

Post 13 of 45

TommyB

Force: 190 | Joined: 25th Nov 2004 | Posts: 666

Member

Rating: +1

They should all be lined up and shot on the spot. They are the bane of society. They are like parasites and they deserve to live nowhere but the gutter. We should have rock-hard detention centres, and put these kids through hell.

Happy Slapping simply isn't funny. The initial idea of slapping a mate at school for a laugh may seem funny, but they've simply gone too far. What sort of bloke hits a girl under any circumstances... it's the lowest of the low.

I think all we can do though is hope they rot. Argh... wouldn't Britain be such a better place if all the chavs dropped dead overnight.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 8:53pm

Post 14 of 45

The video machine

Force: 266 | Joined: 12th Jul 2004 | Posts: 284

Windows User

Gold Member

Vote TommyB for prime minister!!! Ooh just imagine the manifesto... it'll just be pictures of chavs with tippex-knives drawn into their heads LOL... not a bad idea though.

VOTE TOMMYB!

On another note http://www.chavscum.co.uk/shop.php I especially like the wife-beater t-shirt... and bobs your uncle, and your dad. hehe
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 9:05pm

Post 15 of 45

callum_slade

Force: 279 | Joined: 22nd Jun 2002 | Posts: 150

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

Happy Slapping came over to the UK from America believe it or not but i agree these people are sick not only is it upsetting to have this done to you but then to know that the person doing it has someone else filiming it and its gunna be sent to all there mates and laughed at!

Schools simply dont do enough they class it as a minor incident when it is pshyical assault.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 9:06pm

Post 16 of 45

jstow222

Force: 970 | Joined: 28th Oct 2002 | Posts: 1146

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

I've never heard of such a thing in the US before and we have a whole slew of stupid, mean pastimes. A big one right now in my community is egg throwing. people throw them at cars, each other and whats worst is women and pedestrians on the street. I know this is nothing new, i know, but it has become a big thing here and I imagine its worst other places.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 9:15pm

Post 17 of 45

TommyB

Force: 190 | Joined: 25th Nov 2004 | Posts: 666

Member

Rating: +1

Throwing an egg at someone's car for a laugh is one thing, beating a little girl senseless in front of a camera phone is another.

(I'm not referring to the 16-Year old, there was a huge picture of a young girl with a black eye on the front page of The Times last week)

You can criticise my response as extremely immature... but even Tarn himself said his thoughts were perhaps best kept to himself. Kids get away with murder at schools... and it's time to sort out the yobs who tarnish our society.

If I were PM... 'Battle Royale' would become a very real reality. I would have 30 randomly-selected chavs. Shove them in a warehouse with chainsaws, shotguns, neck-ring explosives, mines etc... then video the whole thing and broadcast it on TV to scare all the other chavs from doing anything wrong.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 9:17pm

Post 18 of 45

TommyB

Force: 190 | Joined: 25th Nov 2004 | Posts: 666

Member

All this Happy Slapping has inspired me to make a short film!! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 9:44pm

Post 19 of 45

callum_slade

Force: 279 | Joined: 22nd Jun 2002 | Posts: 150

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

yes i do agree with you Tommy B, it would defo scare any of them doing it again!
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 9:53pm

Post 20 of 45

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

TommyB wrote:

If I were PM... 'Battle Royale' would become a very real reality. I would have 30 randomly-selected chavs. Shove them in a warehouse with chainsaws, shotguns, neck-ring explosives, mines etc... then video the whole thing and broadcast it on TV to scare all the other chavs from doing anything wrong.
Giving one of them a chance to survive is silly, if I was in any position to do so I would simply have Chavs shot on sight. Or at the very least persecuted and put into Concentration Camps.
Though of course, I'm not. Maybe the hatred of Chavs will someday unite mankind.

And whilst on the topic, Chavs are the reason things are censored. Easily manipulatable idiots that watch MTV programs like Jackass are bound to direct their boredom towards violence. The world would be a better place without its idiots.

But we all knew that anyway.
Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005, 10:00pm

Post 21 of 45

cantaclaro

Force: 2036 | Joined: 24th Oct 2001 | Posts: 875

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

BEAT YOUR KIDS!! IT HELPS...

Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 2:53pm

Post 22 of 45

TommyB

Force: 190 | Joined: 25th Nov 2004 | Posts: 666

Member

Lol... We'd be the new and improved Hitler biggrin

(Actually that's a bit sick)
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 7:11pm

Post 23 of 45

The Artur

Force: 563 | Joined: 21st Aug 2004 | Posts: 517

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

Lately in my area there was like a few kids who at night went out and beat up older ladies, they were, 10,11, and 13 years old. I find all of this very disturbing. Its stupid what kids do these days. I thank God i'm not like them.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 7:15pm

Post 24 of 45

The Artur

Force: 563 | Joined: 21st Aug 2004 | Posts: 517

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

cantaclaro wrote:

BEAT YOUR KIDS!! IT HELPS...

I agree with you, many parent these days dont discipline their kids enough, then the kids grow up with disrespect. But its kind of hard also nowadays to discipline kids cause if you even like llightly slap the butt of a child you could get in trouble with the government.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 7:52pm

Post 25 of 45

BackOfTheHearse

Force: 2660 | Joined: 17th Nov 2001 | Posts: 1099

EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Artur L wrote:

I agree with you, many parent these days dont discipline their kids enough, then the kids grow up with disrespect. But its kind of hard also nowadays to discipline kids cause if you even like llightly slap the butt of a child you could get in trouble with the government.
Physical violence teaches physical violence. I am highly against spanking or any other forms of pain in order for discipline. Your children are not dogs. Be honest with a child, and he/she will understand so long as you explain everything to them.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 8:38pm

Post 26 of 45

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

nitroviper007 wrote:

Artur L wrote:

I agree with you, many parent these days dont discipline their kids enough, then the kids grow up with disrespect. But its kind of hard also nowadays to discipline kids cause if you even like llightly slap the butt of a child you could get in trouble with the government.
Physical violence teaches physical violence. I am highly against spanking or any other forms of pain in order for discipline. Your children are not dogs. Be honest with a child, and he/she will understand so long as you explain everything to them.
Yeah.

My op?

Slapping is for Soap Operas, not school.

Although in the entirety of my US-public school-wasteland career, I have to say in my area this is nothing short of what I see every day. Certainly, it's not as stupidly provoked, or spread, but things are worse than this, so I guess I don't get as much of a reaction from it. And really, I've never ever heard of this in the U.S. If anything it's those crazy Swedes who started it!
wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink

Shot? Seriously? Violence doesn't silence more violence. You all sound like Bush. wink
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 8:55pm

Post 27 of 45

cantaclaro

Force: 2036 | Joined: 24th Oct 2001 | Posts: 875

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

I got my ass beat every which way and I'm probably one of the best people around. I never drink, no drugs, no fornication, no law breaking, murder, petty theft, grand theft, grand larceny, or burglary. My parents taught me right from the beginning and I have followed their good example. I am a model citizen and it is because of the spankings that my parents gave me.

If you love your kids spank them early and you won't have to deal with their bad behavior later in life. In no way am I advocating abuse, I'm simply stating that this manner of discipline is necessary for children to learn that bad behavior can have painful consequences. Talking to them about it or taking away privileges just doesn't leave the lasting impression of a few swats on the behind.

Spankings are not traumatic experiences they simply provide a memorable boundary for a child's behavior. I'm not saying you should pick up a monkey wrench and start wailing away. Talk to your kids, let them know what they did wrong then pop them a few times on the butt. Then its over. The parents don't have to burden themselves with making sure that little Billy is in his room and not watching TV for the next 2 weeks. As far as groundings go they are simply ineffective. The child will more likely learn to become more rebellious while carrying out his sentence, trying to break every little rule while the parents aren't looking. Spank him its over the punishment has been carried out, he has learned his lesson, and you don't have to worry about it anymore.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:05pm

Post 28 of 45

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Canta, you make a good arguement; but using physical violence as a discipline with children is not effective in most circumstances. Even if it is, the kids who are subject to it are more likely to build up anger inside themselves until they go over the edge. Spanking kids- in moderation or just all the time- will always be a debated topic because it is simply this: It works for some kids and for some it doesn't. Nobody can say: "Spanking works because I'm a great person. Everyone should spank."; because that's only true in their case. Spanking isn't as black and white as to whether it's wrong- or effective, for that matter- or not. I believe it was good ol Ben Kenobi that said not to deal in absolutes. So that's what I'm doing.

So anybody who says that their way is absolutely right, well, they're absolutely wrong, I guess. wink

Just my couple o' cents.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:11pm

Post 29 of 45

Kid

Force: 4177 | Joined: 1st Apr 2001 | Posts: 1876

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

nitroviper007 wrote:

Artur L wrote:

I agree with you, many parent these days dont discipline their kids enough, then the kids grow up with disrespect. But its kind of hard also nowadays to discipline kids cause if you even like llightly slap the butt of a child you could get in trouble with the government.
Physical violence teaches physical violence. I am highly against spanking or any other forms of pain in order for discipline. Your children are not dogs. Be honest with a child, and he/she will understand so long as you explain everything to them.
Nah, I think its precisely that kind of thinking that got us in the situation we are in today. Children are not adults, they dont act responsibly if you only explain stuff and treat them with respect, they take advantage of it. When did any kid take their parents advice seriously? smile Hence why schools run on the same law of the jungle kind of thing as prisons.

My mum is a teacher who works with children with behavioural problems and most of them have problems because their parents let them run wild. The crazy thing is that they want the school to deal with them but if the child is punished in any way they turn up causing a fuss about it.

You can't learn right and wrong simply by being explained it you need to be punished in some form. I'm not saying parents should go round hitting their kids all the time but in moderation when they do something really bad I think its necessary.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:15pm

Post 30 of 45

Mellifluous

Force: 5604 | Joined: 6th Oct 2002 | Posts: 3782

EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

You have to distinguish between types of spanking. Really, I'm not a fan of any. I was never hit as a child & I've had no problems either. However, there is the type that parents do to moderate their child's behaviour, & non-extreme versions of this I guess I can accept. What I don't accept is just plain over the top beatings. They are misguided & inappropriate. I've met plenty of people who have been screwed up by this type of parenting, including a former teacher, who was caned at his school. And he was seriously screwed.

Heh, an extreme example - about 8 years ago I went to a local shop & saw a mother & son doing shopping. The mother was carrying a whip. I kid you not. While I was gazing in fascination at this, she swished it & hit the poor kid twice on the backside.

Anyway, this is such a two-sided debate. There'll be arguments for & against & it just comes down to individual parenting. What I will say is that the kids who participate in these weird sports are probably from estates & their parents beat the crap out of them. This is what people from these backgrounds tend to do. And whatever your beliefs about discipline, surely everyone can concede that children are very influenced by their parents & often copy them, down to extreme behaviour like this. Surely that's a bad thing & just leads to vicious circles?

Last edited Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:22pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:16pm

Post 31 of 45

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: +1

What I notice with parents that have troublesome kids is that they simply say something like "Don't do that!" or "If you touch that, no computer for a week!". They don't even say WHY, which gives the kid no reason to stop. My parents have always told me why I shouldn't do something, and have never slapped me (well, not since I was maybe 3 years old).

I'm convinced it's simply because of this that I'm not troublesome, because from what I have seen, 90% of troublesome kids' problems are simpyl because they don't understand (I was overhearing a conversation two girls were having the other day, and one was telling the other about how her mom was stupid because she told her to come home at 9PM and that they had a huge argument and that her mother cried, and I was holding back not to say anything).

So, yeah, explain!
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:17pm

Post 32 of 45

Simon K Jones

Force: 27955 | Joined: 1st Jan 2002 | Posts: 11683

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 5 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User PhotoKey 3 Plug-in User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User

FXhome Team Member

Kid wrote:

You can't learn right and wrong simply by being explained it you need to be punished in some form. I'm not saying parents should go round hitting their kids all the time but in moderation when they do something really bad I think its necessary.
I was never smacked or anything along those lines. My parents just explained stuff and I got a good idea of things fairly early on. I turned out fairly well, I like to think.

I don't really have an opinion on smacking, I just thought I'd use myself as an example to counterpoint Canta - I've turned out just as 'upstanding' as him, but via totally different means. As Ben pointed out, it varies massively from kid to kid.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:20pm

Post 33 of 45

sidewinder

Force: 4937 | Joined: 5th Aug 2001 | Posts: 2453

FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

ben3308 wrote:

boogedy boogedy boo.
Ben, spanking your kids as Canta described can be very effective. Classifying it as "physical violence" is pretty misleading. It's nothing so extreme. It's just another effective method.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:20pm

Post 34 of 45

Kid

Force: 4177 | Joined: 1st Apr 2001 | Posts: 1876

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

I think it makes a big difference if you are an only child or one of a bunch as well.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:21pm

Post 35 of 45

cantaclaro

Force: 2036 | Joined: 24th Oct 2001 | Posts: 875

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Kid wrote:

I think it makes a big difference if you are an only child or one of a bunch as well.
That is very true. I am one of 5 on my mom's side and one of 4 on my father's side.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:32pm

Post 36 of 45

The Artur

Force: 563 | Joined: 21st Aug 2004 | Posts: 517

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

Im only one of 2 children in the family, both me and my younger sister got our share of spankings in the past, and i realy have not ever done anything that would be considered bad behaviour. Im glad i got spanked, who knows, if i never did get spanked i could be at some party right now getting drunk and high, but i choose not to, cuz i know its wrong smile
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:45pm

Post 37 of 45

BackOfTheHearse

Force: 2660 | Joined: 17th Nov 2001 | Posts: 1099

EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Artur L wrote:

Im only one of 2 children in the family, both me and my younger sister got our share of spankings in the past, and i realy have not ever done anything that would be considered bad behaviour. Im glad i got spanked, who knows, if i never did get spanked i could be at some party right now getting drunk and high, but i choose not to, cuz i know its wrong smile
Oh bah. Come on, man. Are you trying to tell me that without spankings you would be a bad kid and out getting drunk and high? That's ridiculous.

A child that gets spanked does not learn the real reason initially why what he did was wrong. All that the kid learns is "if I do this, I get hit". Thus what is bred in the child is a sense of FEAR. A parent can be loving as any other, but when spankings come into play, the underlying reason of it is to train the child to fear the spankings. Thus, fear the spankings and you won't do the bad, right?

But therein lies a problem. Love or not love, a child doesn't understand the parents' real "loving" reasons for spanking them, and instead come to recognize only the fear it incites into them.

You say you are glad you were spanked as a child, because now that you're older, you can understand the underlying meaning. But a child cannot if he/she is only spanked for the issue... And I am willing to bet you didn't do bad things for fear of being hurt, NOT because you necessarily understood that they were wrong and why.

Sure, a child is not an adult. But if you treat a child with the intellect they have, you can educate them and thus build good character.

A math tutor doesn't hit a student when he gets a problem wrong. Instead he teaches the student WHY he got it wrong, and HOW he can make sure that he can do it correctly in the future.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 9:48pm

Post 38 of 45

Mr Pencil

Force: 396 | Joined: 8th Jul 2004 | Posts: 367

Windows User

Member

Rating: +1

I propose this is how we teach the youth:



That should teach them a lesson.
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 10:06pm

Post 39 of 45

TommyB

Force: 190 | Joined: 25th Nov 2004 | Posts: 666

Member

Spanking... NO.

Washing their mouth out with Fairy Liquid... YES
Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005, 10:36pm

Post 40 of 45

Nagual

Force: 1050 | Joined: 21st Jul 2004 | Posts: 289

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 2 User Windows User

Gold Member

As a child I remember my mother getting a big feck-off lether belt once and being belted across the ass. Once. The threat was made a few times after that and I didn't do what ever it was I was doing. Grounding was impossible as I could always find a way out. Once I was punched in the back a few times - no idea why now, not that it matters to me anyway. In the future I was allowed to do virtually what I wanted, luckly all I wanted to do was stay out at my mates house and play computer games really.

Now, with a debate of physical punishment or explainations. Both work and both fail. How they are delivered, words tone, body language and timing play a key role in their success or failure. In addition the intelligence of the child will be a strong contributing factor. If the child is smart enough to understand the explaination, will it work? Well, you could say so, you could also say that they would use that same intelligence to not get caught again. You could smack a child and hope they respond like a scolded puppy, and associate doing something bad with being hit. Now this may work, or it may make them think that one day they will be big and strong enough to be the ones in control and doing the hitting.

In short there is no easy answer. I mates kids have been treated with respect and have rarely been slapped, as right now they are great kids. On the other side, I know of kids that have been shown the same respect and of slapping, and are evil wee children. There is no true way to know how kids will turn out, only thing is Hindsight is a wonderful thing, perhaps one day well figure out how to use it in advance.. razz
Posted: Fri, 27th May 2005, 4:54am

Post 41 of 45

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Kid wrote:

I think it makes a big difference if you are an only child or one of a bunch as well.
Harty-har! I'm well............obviously not an only child.

But I must say things get tougher when you've got two of the same person to blame one thing on.

I know I've had many a-beatings from Ben's problems.

Stupid Ben.

And, myself, I consider certain forms of physical correctional punishment abuse or violence.

It depends. Was it a pat or a "W-PSHH!!!!" ?

And it also depends on the case of child and how suceptible to harm they are. I've seen many outrageously savage and outta-control kids not get proper punishment.

However, punishment isnt the right word, now, is it? Correctional learning. I mean, punishing is just a form of learning from mistakes, is it not?

Back to the kid, tho: I could obviously see the child was acting mucho-loco, while his parents were calmly talking it out with him. He was screaming and kicking in a public place and in that case:

I felt the child should've been removed from the area and physically-put-in-line, if you get my drift. Like Canta, I am in no way advocating domestic violence, nor spanking, but I do believe that it is a method that is almost necessary in some cases, and can prove very effective.
Posted: Fri, 27th May 2005, 5:38am

Post 42 of 45

The Artur

Force: 563 | Joined: 21st Aug 2004 | Posts: 517

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

nitroviper007 wrote:


Oh bah. Come on, man. Are you trying to tell me that without spankings you would be a bad kid and out getting drunk and high?
I guess we all have our own opinnions, but the point is that we all agree that kids are more messed up these days, or at least thats my opinnion, but i dont wanna start another argument.
Posted: Fri, 27th May 2005, 5:53am

Post 43 of 45

Hybrid-Halo

Force: 9315 | Joined: 7th Feb 2003 | Posts: 3367

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 3 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Rating: +2

Artur L wrote:

nitroviper007 wrote:


Oh bah. Come on, man. Are you trying to tell me that without spankings you would be a bad kid and out getting drunk and high?
I guess we all have our own opinnions, but the point is that we all agree that kids are more messed up these days, or at least thats my opinnion, but i dont wanna start another argument.
I'd bet my bottom dollar that every generation has said that about the youth.

Fact is, that as a whole the human race isn't so great and never has been. Every single generation has it's share of devious miscreants whatever they may be "termed" as (i.e. Chavs) at the time, and every generation also has it's exemplary members of society like myself.

Personally, I truely despair simply upon thinking about the human majority. The largest mass of people alive are idiots, I like to think that the minority reside here at fxhome. wink

Last edited Fri, 27th May 2005, 10:02am; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Fri, 27th May 2005, 6:01am

Post 44 of 45

The Artur

Force: 563 | Joined: 21st Aug 2004 | Posts: 517

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

Ok then, i guess i should just completely shut up sad

smile
Posted: Sat, 28th May 2005, 1:20am

Post 45 of 45

Kid

Force: 4177 | Joined: 1st Apr 2001 | Posts: 1876

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

nitroviper007 wrote:

Artur L wrote:

Im only one of 2 children in the family, both me and my younger sister got our share of spankings in the past, and i realy have not ever done anything that would be considered bad behaviour. Im glad i got spanked, who knows, if i never did get spanked i could be at some party right now getting drunk and high, but i choose not to, cuz i know its wrong smile
Oh bah. Come on, man. Are you trying to tell me that without spankings you would be a bad kid and out getting drunk and high? That's ridiculous.

A child that gets spanked does not learn the real reason initially why what he did was wrong. All that the kid learns is "if I do this, I get hit". Thus what is bred in the child is a sense of FEAR. A parent can be loving as any other, but when spankings come into play, the underlying reason of it is to train the child to fear the spankings. Thus, fear the spankings and you won't do the bad, right?
You are assuming that they are just spanking the child without saying why. Simply telling the child its wrong isnt enough cos when you are young you dont understand the reasoning even if its explained. When you are young things arnt a case of good and bad, they are a case of does doing this help me? And doing something bad that helps you and then some parent coming along and saying 'ooh dont do that its bad' makes you think, 'what are they on about, ok, I'll just do it when they arnt around cos it helped me out'. If you have a punishment (not neccesarily physical) then they dont associate the action with gain.