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Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005, 9:03pm

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Hi Guys,

My old JVC has packed up. It was a mini-dv camera that I bought back in 2001, and it lived up to my expectations. That is to say, I was VERY impressed with the quality.

I'm looking for a 'budget' replacement. Being a student, I've got more important things to spend money on. I've been kindly provided with some cash to buy a replacement.

I'm looking at this (£400)
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/camcorders/nvgs75b/index.htm

and this (£450)
http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProduct.action?product=DCR-HC42E&site=odw_en_GB&category=CAM+MiniDV

Panasonic - Is it a good camera? 3CCD is supposed to be good, and does it shoot in true or cropped widescreen?

Sony - this looks like another 'style' over quality sony ploy, but it is true widescreen. The sony also has a mic-in jack, so I can plug an external mic in to it. This would be useful because at the moment I have to sync mp3-player recordings in post.

What do we think?

Cheers,

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Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005, 9:32pm

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TommyB wrote:

Hi Guys,

My old JVC has packed up. It was a mini-dv camera that I bought back in 2001, and it lived up to my expectations. That is to say, I was VERY impressed with the quality.

I'm looking for a 'budget' replacement. Being a student, I've got more important things to spend money on. I've been kindly provided with some cash to buy a replacement.

I'm looking at this (£400)
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/camcorders/nvgs75b/index.htm

and this (£450)
http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProduct.action?product=DCR-HC42E&site=odw_en_GB&category=CAM+MiniDV

Panasonic - Is it a good camera? 3CCD is supposed to be good, and does it shoot in true or cropped widescreen?

Sony - this looks like another 'style' over quality sony ploy, but it is true widescreen. The sony also has a mic-in jack, so I can plug an external mic in to it. This would be useful because at the moment I have to sync mp3-player recordings in post.

What do we think?

Cheers,
panasonic, 3ccd
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 10:14am

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But is that just to attract buyers, or will it produce a genuinely better picture than the SONY one?
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 11:25am

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Hi TommyB

I don't know about that particular Pani cam, but I own a NV-GS120EB, which is also a 3 CCD. I have no complaints with regards the quality of the pictures, the are very crisp and reproduce colour very very well. It handles low light fairly okay, with not too much grain, but can't do very low light or obviously 0 lux. It has a night shot function and the LCD can be used as a basic light, but to be honest this is a complete wates of time, as the exposure times are so long, the shots become very blurry. Great for static shots but if anythong moves its ruined.

I can't see any ref to wide screen shooting on the cam you mention, where as the sony one does. How important is this to you? I know I can live without it as long as my footage is of a high standard.

My only concern is the lack of firewire, I know it has USB2 but thats a different debate. biggrin Any other Q's PM me.
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 11:33am

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Hi!

Actually, I'm thinking about buying pretty much the same camcorders! If the panasonic has true 16:9 widescreen, I would go for that one, because the 3CCD system gives a better color-quality.

I haven't made my mind up, neither.

PS: check out this one too: http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProduct.action?product=DCR-HC90E&site=odw_en_GB&category=CAM+MiniDV

Good luck! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 12:26pm

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http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProduct.action?product=DCR-HC90E&site=odw_en_GB&category=CAM+MiniDV
That looks fantastic, but unfortunately it's way above my price range sad

True widescreen isn't essential, but it would be very useful.

I'm also looking at this model (stretching my price range a bit though)
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/camcorders/nvgs150b/index.htm

Surely if it has a wide lense, it is shooting in true widescreen?

This is the shop I'm looking at (£400-£520 ONLY)
http://www.electricaldiscountuk.co.uk/camcorders.php?make=All+makes&type=99&ord=real_price&showresults=go&go.x=10&go.y=5

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Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 12:29pm

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Yes, this Panasonic one looks really good. Is it worth the extra from the other one though? They are both 3CCD.

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/camcorders/nvgs150b/index.htm

Is this true widescreen???


Image Sensor - Total
1/6CCD x 3(800k x 3 pixels, Total)

F Value
F1.8(Wide)/F2.8(Tele)

Optical Zoom
10 x Variable Speed Zoom

Focal Length
2.45 - 24.5mm

Filter Diameter
37mm

35mm Film
47.1 - 420mm (Tape Mode)/41.1 - 411mm (Card Mode);

Lens Brand
Leica Dicomar
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 12:47pm

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In case you haven't seen it already, this site is dedicated to Panasonic 3CCD cams:

www.pana3ccduser.com

Includes reviews, comparisons, tips and forums.

Check this article for a review of the GS150:

http://www.pana3ccduser.com/article.php?filename=Review:-PV-GS150-and-PV-GS250

According to one of the articles, the GS150 captures a true 16:9 widescreen image via its CCDs. The GS250, on the other hand, apparently does a bit of crop and zooming.
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 1:09pm

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GS150 looks very good.

The only thing that's putting me off is the lack of audio line-in for an external mic. Although, if the camera is silent I won't need an external mic anyway.

Thank you very much for that link Hendo.
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 3:04pm

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The Sony PDX10 is one of the best cheap 3ccd cameras out there. It is pretty old, about 3 years or so and you can get them for around $1,000. Find a nice user on ebay or search Amazon.com. Many have told me it is better than the GL1. But from my expierience that is another great camera and I highly reccomend it. Good luck. Here is the PDX10:



Buying used old, but nice cameras is always the way to go if you are tight on budget. There are some Sony Handicams, new that go for the same price as my Canon GL-1.
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 3:18pm

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Hey tommy I just bought a pv-gs150 and I highly recommened it to you. If you want I will post some frame grabs and stuff of some test footage I am going to shoot today. I must say I am very impressed with its quality and it shoots in true widescreen which is really cool. Plus it many manual controls, the gain control which is usually not found on consumer camera's is there which is great.
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 3:26pm

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sk8npirate wrote:

Hey tommy I just bought a pv-gs150 and I highly recommened it to you. If you want I will post some frame grabs and stuff of some test footage I am going to shoot today. I must say I am very impressed with its quality and it shoots in true widescreen which is really cool. Plus it many manual controls, the gain control which is usually not found on consumer camera's is there which is great.
I would really appreciate that thanks!

The Sony PDX10 is one of the best cheap 3ccd cameras out there. It is pretty old, about 3 years or so and you can get them for around $1,000. Find a nice user on ebay or search Amazon.com. Many have told me it is better than the GL1. But from my expierience that is another great camera and I highly reccomend it. Good luck. Here is the PDX10:
It looks quite good, but there are reasons why I don't want this sort of camera. I use my camera to make films, but I also take it with me on ski trips, holidays, outings etc... and with this in mind, I'd prefer a smaller, more compact camera.

Also, there is no way I'm buying a camera without warranty. My old JVC broke about 3 times, and had it not been for the warranty, I'd have been in a right a mess.

Cheers,
Posted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005, 11:58pm

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TommyB wrote:

The only thing that's putting me off is the lack of audio line-in for an external mic. Although, if the camera is silent I won't need an external mic anyway.
Where did you read that the GS150 doesn't have an external mic port?

According to both panasonic.co.uk and pana3ccduser.com it has a 3.5mm stereo microphone port.
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 1:38am

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it does

i have the gs 200 - which is almost the same as the 150

i'd suggest the 200 or 250 - manual focus ring alone is worth it(as opposed to no manual focus)

-MAGIC
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 9:02am

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Magic_man12 wrote:

it does

i have the gs 200 - which is almost the same as the 150

i'd suggest the 200 or 250 - manual focus ring alone is worth it(as opposed to no manual focus)

-MAGIC
I can't really afford to go that far.

Are you saying the 150 doesn't even have manual focus?
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 9:13am

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I've been reading in those forums you can buy lenses like these:
http://www.pixmania-pro.co.uk/uk/uk/28304/art/kenko/sgw05-0-5x-wide-angle-con.html

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30070&item=7522793827&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW#ebayphotohosting

(Would any of those be useful?)

Is it possible to buy a lense that gives more control over the depth of field, with a focus ring?
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 8:21pm

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Im pretty sure a lense itself can't add a focus ring. But you can get a telephoto lense which will give you more DOF because of the higher zoom. I have a wide angle and a telephoto that I bought in a package with a panasonic gs150. The 150 does have manual focus except you have to use the little joystick thing to focus and it doesn't have a ring. It isn't that hard to use the joystick though.
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 8:28pm

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Ok thanks for the advice.

My FINAL Decision lies between these two...

1) Sony DCRHC90E (£619)
http://www.electricaldiscountuk.co.uk/itfx_product_details.php?pid=3995&PHPSESSID=169cadca926a39d029c67a42f69f54d5

2) Panasonic NVGS150B (£519)
http://www.electricaldiscountuk.co.uk/itfx_product_details.php?pid=4210&PHPSESSID=169cadca926a39d029c67a42f69f54d5

Is the SONY worth the extra £100?

Cheers,
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 11:58pm

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TommyB wrote:

Is the SONY worth the extra £100?
As I see it, and I admit I'm biased towards Panasonic, the GS150 gives you a 3CCD and true 16:9 widescreen (without cropping & zooming), and it's £100 cheaper. Use the £100 to buy some accessories: UV/Skylight filter, ND filter, circular polariser, and a hood.

Sure, the Sony has 3 megapixels compared to the Panasonic's 2.3, but how often are you going to take still shots?

The Sony has one 1/3 inch CCD, whereas the Panasonic has three 1/6 inch CCDs. As I understand it, that means you would get a slightly shallower DOF from the Sony, but better colour from the Panasonic. In the grand scheme of things, any difference in DOF would hardly be noticeable, whereas the colour and picture quality would be.
Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 1:34am

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Go with the panasonic. It does have true 16:9 and it does have a good quality mic. You should check ebay for a package. I got a package for $669 with GS150, Extra battery, case, tripod(cheap anyway I wont use it), UV, Flourescent Light, and Polarizer filters. A wide angle and telephoto lens kit and a cleaning kit all for that price and I must say I am very satisfied.
Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 8:32am

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Ok, Pana it is then!

Sk8npirate,

Is it worth buying a wide angle and telephoto lens kit?

Surely if the camera films in true widescreen anyway, there's no point of a wide angle lense?

Is there ANY way possible to give this camera a really shallow depth of field (is that right) so you can get your footage to look more like film.

Finaly, what's the advantage of a hood?

Cheers,
Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 8:58am

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The additional lenses thing is best sorted by finding somewhere that you can try them out. I bought a telephoto and wide angle adaptor set for my XM2 online without testing them and they gave mixed results so I would say find a photographic shop and try them out on the cam first. If panasonic do their own pay the extra and get them if you can , they are designed for the camera a generic solution isn't. The panasonic I Think is a good choice at that price point. I worked in nationwide photographic chain in the UK and at this price point Panasonic and Sony were the camcorders we would always recommend first followed a close third by canon. With the advent of the reasonably priced 3ccd camcorder Panasonic have pulled ahead in the image quality stakes but from what i have read (and experienced) it's worth having an external mic with a Panasonic as sound is not their strong point, image and build quality however are.
Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 9:01am

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jotoki wrote:

The additional lenses thing is best sorted by finding somewhere that you can try them out. I bought a telephoto and wide angle adaptor set for my XM2 online without testing them and they gave mixed results so I would say find a photographic shop and try them out on the cam first. If panasonic do their own pay the extra and get them if you can , they are designed for the camera a generic solution isn't. The panasonic I Think is a good choice at that price point. I worked in nationwide photographic chain in the UK and at this price point Panasonic and Sony were the camcorders we would always recommend first followed a close third by canon. With the advent of the reasonably priced 3ccd camcorder Panasonic have pulled ahead in the image quality stakes but from what i have read (and experienced) it's worth having an external mic with a Panasonic as sound is not their strong point, image and build quality however are.
So I could take the camera in to a photography shop and they could probably help me?

What exactly does a telephoto lense do?

Finaly, is there a link that explains what ND/UV/Skylight filters do?

Cheers,
Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 9:19am

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ND its whats called a neutral density filter. It's used to reduce the amount of light coming into the camera without changing the colour of that light. Things like reducing the depth of field need the iris of the camera to be opened as wide as possible but this will let in too much light. adding an ND filter to the lens compensates for this. they come in different grades. Some camera have an electronic ND filter built in.

Skylight filters come in different grades 1a 1b etc and are almost but not quite clear. They can give a slightly warmer (more reddish) hint to an image but it is very very slight with a 1a. UV filters are clear but as the name suggests block Ultra Violet light. Many photographers and videographers put wither a 1a skylight or UV filter on their lenses permanently to protect the lens. Better to scratch or break a filter costing a few pounds than a lens costing a few hundred. I have UV filters on all of mine both photographic and video

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Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 9:25am

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sorry missed the first question there.

Sure if you are in the UK take it to a jessops store. They should be happy to let you try out the lenses though they are not likely to have the panasonic ones in stock they do usually stock a range of raynox ones that are pretty good. they can also order the panasonic ones and so long as they are not special order items (they'll require a deposit if they are) then you would be under no obligation to buy them. It's nicer if you do buy from there though. You should of course also be able to go there and try out both the camcorders you are interested in if they have them in stock.
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TommyB wrote:

Is there ANY way possible to give this camera a really shallow depth of field (is that right) so you can get your footage to look more like film.
Have a read of section 4 "How do I get a shallow DOF?" in this post:
http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18725

TommyB wrote:

Finaly, what's the advantage of a hood?
Mainly to protect your lens from unwanted light (that can create unwanted lens flares in your pictures). But a hood also provides some basic protection for your lens, e.g. to stop dirty fingers or objects accidentally touching it. Finally, some people simply want a hood so it makes the camera look more professional.

TommyB wrote:

is there a link that explains what ND/UV/Skylight filters do?
In addition to jotoki's good advice, have a read here:

http://www.pana3ccduser.com/article.php?filename=Filters-and-the-Panasonic-3CCD-Video-Camcorder

In fact, I recommend you read all the articles on that site!

Also, in the forums you will see stacks of tips for hoods, filters, wide angle and telephoto lenses, carry cases, etc.
Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 9:32am

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EDIT : I made this reply before I'd read your post Hendo.

Thanks, that's really helpful.

Would you mind explaining exactly what a telephoto lense does?

If I find the right lense, would it be possible to obtain such a shallow depth of field?

Finaly... for users of the GS150. I read that it's useless in poor light conditions. Is this true? I need to be able to film night scenes in fairly poor lit conditions (train stations for example)
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Not sure about the panasonics but in general low light situations is where 3ccd camcorders suffer to varying degrees. Not precisely sure why but i've read it in many places. I've not tried either of my 3ccd cams in low light but I know from reviews my XM2 won't be that good in those conditions, i'm not sure if my sony HC-1000 will be any better. I'll have to try them both out. Your best solution might be a day for night process in your editing software post production. Thats to say shoot during the day and convert it to look like night. You can use an afore mentioned ND filter to darken the image a bit at the time of shooting. Just an idea might not work for your situation
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Hmm...

It is essential that the camera can perform adequately in low light conditions for my summer project.

We are filming both in a street and in a train station. If I put a picture up from my current JVC camera, will you be able to tell me if the Panasonic will struggle?
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Here...





It is essential that the camera will work nicely in that location.
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ok i think someone on here this thread said they had one, best to ask him as i'm not sure how the panasonic will perform in this particular situation. I would knly be able to test my xm2 and sony and thats no good to you
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Ok in that location in that lighting you might have a hard time althoug not necessarily. You can turn the gain down so you don't get grain but you are going to make sure you have adequate lighting aranged and then you should be alright. And about buying the extra lenses there isn't really much of a point unless you want really wide angle shots. I shoot some skateboarding videos that this definitely helps with, which is why I bought it. I myself don't have a hood. I believe a hood is just to fight the elements.

Oh yeah tonight when the sun goes down I will take some shots for you so you can see what the lighting is light. You will need to take other lighting as you should for filming anything. The train station lighting will probably NOT be adequate.
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sk8npirate wrote:

Ok in that location in that lighting you might have a hard time althoug not necessarily. You can turn the gain down so you don't get grain but you are going to make sure you have adequate lighting aranged and then you should be alright. And about buying the extra lenses there isn't really much of a point unless you want really wide angle shots. I shoot some skateboarding videos that this definitely helps with, which is why I bought it. I myself don't have a hood. I believe a hood is just to fight the elements.

Oh yeah tonight when the sun goes down I will take some shots for you so you can see what the lighting is light. You will need to take other lighting as you should for filming anything. The train station lighting will probably NOT be adequate.
Hmm. The thing is we can't really take lighting equipment. As it's a public place, we have to film quickly. I'll look forward to seeing your tests!

Does the camera have a built in white led torch?
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TommyB wrote:

What exactly does a telephoto lense do?
Not sure if you found an answer for this, but a telephoto lens adapter increases the focal length on your camera's lens.

The GS150 has an optical zoom of 10x. That is to say, at full zoom you'll get a 10x magnification.

If you attach a 2x telephoto lens adapter, that means you get twice the focal length, or in other words, a 20x magnification at full zoom.

Regarding wide-angle adapters, if you attach a 0.5x wide-angle adapter, that means you get half the focal length.

Wide-angle adapters have nothing to do with getting a 16:9 widescreen picture. The GS150 can capture a true anamorphic 16:9 image without cropping or zooming. But for MiniDV cameras that cannot do so, one can attach a "16:9 widescreen adapter" like this one:
http://www.centuryoptics.com/products/dv/16x9/16x9_37mm.htm
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All right tommy I didn't have much time to take these tests and there wasn't much out to film considering I was a little busier than I had previously expected but here's a single frame grab from a video I took of my neighbors garage door for some reason.

I would say the lighting in your first pic is better than the pic I took so you can probably get better lighting on the subject matter.
For your first pic you posted I would say you should be able to get decent usable footage. For the second pic in that area I'd say you are screwed. That are seems to be very dark with little/no lighting.
I'm not sure what camera would perform better in low light for the money although I'd say the gs150 would perform the best for the money with adequate lighting.
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 8:53am

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sk8npirate is pretty much correct. Not that many cameras could produce a good quality image in the lighting in your second shot. I would say don't choose your camera based on one shot from one project. You have to look deeper than that. If you are gonna go for the panasonic (and at the price you'd be stupid no to IMHO) then instead of worrying about the camera try to come up with creative ways to get the most out of the camera and to get more light on a subject quickly (since you need to shoot quickly you said) Is the need to shoot quickly because you dont have permission ? if so then try getting permission, that might buy you the time you need to set up some lights if only rudimentary ones. If there's not much movement in the shot and the camera can be locked down on a tripod then slowing the shutter speed will allow in more light but any fast movement of camera or actors/props will result in a blurred image if you slow it too much. You could also brighten the video post production but only a certain amount. Experiment and you'll find a solution that works for you. If the pros use 3ccd cameras then there must be ways around this issue.

As for the lenses, I take a different view to the other chap on here. I would say if you can afford them get them. You might not use them often indeed I have a wide and telephoto for the canon that i haven't used yet but I know I have them should I need them and it gives me more options. In the end everyone has a different approach, at the moment I can afford to buy stuff so I do. Others are less lucky so getting only what they need now is a better approach.
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oh TommyB I forgot to ask, where is that location it looks good, i might want to use it myself sometime
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 9:20am

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this might be oof interest to you

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-PV-GS150-Camcorder-Review.htm
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 11:19am

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I can't understand how my £200 JVC MiniDV cam can beat the Panasonic in low light conditions!

I wouldn't say the train station is pitch black by any means. As you can see, there is quite a lot of light. I could try and sort out some lighting, but It'd be much easier if the camera could do it all. We don't really want crystal-clear footage in this scene, as it's supposed to reflect the creepy atmosphere of the abandoned station. Does the camera have a built in torch light? ( I know these are rubbish, just want to know)
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 11:51am

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TommyB wrote:

Does the camera have a built in torch light?
I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but the following review states:

"Also, when the MagicPix low light mode is active, the LCD can be used as a white light to provide a small amount of illumination on a close subject."

http://www.pana3ccduser.com/article.php?filename=Review:-PV-GS150-and-PV-GS250
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 12:33pm

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it's fairly simple really. The panasonic and any 3ccd camcorder has to split the incoming light across 3 chips instead of one so the amount of light falling on each chip is less than it would be for a single chip machine. This can be corrected electronically but at the expense of adding noise especially in lower end camcorders which have smaller chips so the pixels are closer together. You really are though putting too much on this unless you intend to shoot everything you do from now on at the dead of night.
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 8:11pm

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Ah right... I see.

For some reason, I'm still considering the sony cam too. I've read reviews on both and the Sony has quite a few features I'd use (one being an analogue input/output). I guess I'll see what EDiscount have in stock.

Sk8npirate, is it possible if you could post some more stills, so I can see what sort of quality I'd be looking at.

Cheers,
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 8:23pm

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TommyB wrote:

Ah right... I see.

For some reason, I'm still considering the sony cam too. I've read reviews on both and the Sony has quite a few features I'd use (one being an analogue input/output). I guess I'll see what EDiscount have in stock.

Sk8npirate, is it possible if you could post some more stills, so I can see what sort of quality I'd be looking at.

Cheers,
Tommy I will film some more shots in the night and try to get subjects in them for you and post some stills and possibly a little footage I don't know yet though. I just quit my early morning job so I don't have to worry about getting to bed early anymore so I will have stills up for you tonight.

EDIT- And about the LED torch there isn't one, the LCD screen gets really bright for light but it is basically useless and the nightpix thing gets decent picture but gives it a strobe like effect. I will be doing further testing tonight as now I have become interested in the whole low light thing.
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 8:26pm

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sk8npirate wrote:

TommyB wrote:

Ah right... I see.

For some reason, I'm still considering the sony cam too. I've read reviews on both and the Sony has quite a few features I'd use (one being an analogue input/output). I guess I'll see what EDiscount have in stock.

Sk8npirate, is it possible if you could post some more stills, so I can see what sort of quality I'd be looking at.

Cheers,
Tommy I will film some more shots in the night and try to get subjects in them for you and post some stills and possibly a little footage I don't know yet though. I just quit my early morning job so I don't have to worry about getting to bed early anymore so I will have stills up for you tonight.

EDIT- And about the LED torch there isn't one, the LCD screen gets really bright for light but it is basically useless and the nightpix thing gets decent picture but gives it a strobe like effect. I will be doing further testing tonight as now I have become interested in the whole low light thing.
Thats awesome mate... thanks loads.

Could you put some day time ones up too?
Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2005, 2:24am

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Hey Tommy im just going to post them tomorrow if thats cool because Im tired and Ill get some good day shots for you.

Check the clips in this thread out to see some low light footage.
http://www.pana3ccduser.com/showthread.php?t=2896
Posted: Fri, 17th Jun 2005, 5:58am

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I’ve just received my new Panasonic NVGS200 3ccd from Global Media Pro in New Zealand, in just 4 working days. A very good service when considering the long trip from New Zealand to Malta. The Camera is really a jewel. I didn't expect that good results from a midget like this. I am amazed at all the features it possesses. I recommend it for many a reason and the manual ring focus is a god send. Colour rendering is amazing too. I recommend it.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/16704092828.jpg&s=x2
Posted: Fri, 17th Jun 2005, 2:56pm

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Heres some gs150 stills day and in the low light evening. You can pretty much tell which ones are the dark ones.
http://home.comcast.net/~sk8npirate/gs150framegrabs.zip
Posted: Fri, 17th Jun 2005, 5:20pm

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Those are fantastic!

From what I can tell, the colour reproduction and quality is excellent.

Did you modify any of the images? Because quite a few had an impressive shallow depth of field.

Cheers,
Posted: Fri, 17th Jun 2005, 5:28pm

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All of those images are exactly how the camera produced them and I didnt modify any of them. Just to get shallow depth of field I backed away from the subject and zoomed in then used the manual focus to get the results I wanted. You can tell the 3ccds really do help the color reproduction compared to single ccd cams.
EDIT- And keep in mind that this is the NTSC version the pv-gs150 so I'd imagine you'll get even better images with the PAL version.
Posted: Fri, 17th Jun 2005, 6:00pm

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Thanks a lot...

It looks like I'll definitely be getting this cam now.