sidewinder wrote:It was good, not great. Had some flaws. Slightly below Spiderman 2 quality.
I'd say they're too different to directly compare. In tone it's closer to X2 (which I rate above Spidey 2 myself), although that's still not quite right.
It became apparent in the movie that Christopher Nolan does not know how to film fighting and stunts.
Hm, what makes you say that? I really liked the way everything was shot. Something I really, really appreciated was that it didn't go for the balletic, overly-choreographed and silly fighting that has been so in-vogue in Hollywood ever since Crouching Tiger and The Matrix came out.
When Ducard is training Wayne, he even says "This isn't a dance!", which amused me. The fighting is down and dirty, it feels painful, you're never quite sure where the next blow is coming from and it's frantic - as fighting should be (in a film like this, anyway). The fighting in Batman Begins isn't trying to be cool in a clinical, long-wide-shots-that-show-cool-moves kinda way.
In fact, the action is kinda shot from the criminal's point of view - they never know where Batman is coming from next, and he's always exactly where they don't think he is. It's about stealth and fear, not jumping out into the open and looking cool while doing kung fu.
However, the more 'staged' fights, such as the one on the ice, in Ra's Al Ghul's place and on the train at the end I felt were very visceral and exciting.
Personal preference, I expect. As much as I love the massively choreographed fighting and "look how talented our actors are" filming of other movies, I don't think it would have suited Batman Begins at all. In fact, I'd have been rather pissed off if they'd gone down that overly-trodden route.
Also, the amount of villains detracted from that spark created when two charismatic characters oppose each other, since no single villain really was portrayed as Batman's rival.
I took the main villain to be Gotham itself, and fear (both Wayne's fear and the general pervading sense of it in the city). Batman brought hope to the city, at least on first glance.
That said, Chrisitan Bale was excellent.
I don't think he's capable of being anything else.
But I'm not sure this is better than Burton's movies.
I love Burton's Batman movies, they're brilliant Burton films. However, I've never considered them to be particularly good Batman films, mainly because they seemed utterly disinterested in Batman himself.
They're so different in their interpretation that I don't feel the need to compare them, which is nice. I means I can watch both entirely separately still.
Oh, and Equilibrium was, is, and always will be rather rubbish.
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