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Do you all believe this??

Believe it?

Actually I kinda do.47%[ 17 ]
Hell no, are u crazy?53%[ 19 ]

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Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 1:01am

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http://www.hawtalta.com/viewvideo.php?id=343

If its true, I would love to sign up.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 1:08am

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it's fake (im pretty sure. I heard that when I saw this a while ago)
I wouldn't sign up for it, not for scaredness, but I think that it would be cooler/ brown pantsing being in the situation that the guy was in (not knowing that is)
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 1:15am

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Obviously fake. How could there be impacts on the zombies at the right places and in the right amount and at the right time?
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 1:35am

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Who cares if it's fake, it would be awesome! cool
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 1:44am

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That cannot be legal. Put someone into basically a coma. Yeah right. Plus, as you said, the shots are impossible. Technology like that (putting someone into a trance) doesn't exist yet. Right?

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Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 1:44am

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Timmy, the whole point of the video is that he didn't know what was going on. Going into the situation knowing and not knowing would be two different things. Not saying they wouldn't be fun, but dur. cool
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 3:20am

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Real or fake that was hilarious. The guy was totally paranoid.

Nice find.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 3:46am

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Could've been real. The zombies could've had charges placed justl ike in the movies and remote detonated themselves when they felt he was shooting at them. Either way it was a sweet video.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 6:29am

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He was using a paintball gun.

It's not real. The 'hypnotist' is a variation of what we generally call a magician. And what is a magician? Someone who does magic? No. A magician is a professional liar. And when this guy tells you this is real, put two and two together.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 8:49am

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This is one of Derren Browns stunts. He's a fairly high profile magician/mind manipulator over here in the UK. He likes to fuse traditional trickery with mind games so it's hard to tell how much you can take at face value. The clip was part of one of his TV shows, so I'd be surprised if it was totally faked.

If you get a chance try and see some of the full shows, they are pretty interesting compared to traditional magic. Although his later shows are over dramatised, which has made him less popular over here now. I think the general conscencious is that he is a bit pompous and up himself, so if you like David Blaine you might enjoy him more.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 10:03am

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i once saw a russian roulete trick by derren brown. He had to guess where the bullets were, he actually survived it. it was pretty sick, but cool.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 11:28am

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It was later admitted that he was using a blank firing gun with that trick, but they'd still damage him if he fired it into his head at point blank. I tend to watch Derren's shows if I catch them on TV because I think they're a) quite funny and b) generally amusing.
Regardless of how pompous he may seem, I've heard from people that've met him that he's quite the opposite. Good stuff, this Zombie Arcade Trick had me in stitches.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 12:46pm

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Obviously fake. The kid couldn't even act!
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 6:05pm

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Do I believe that Derren Brown could convince someone they're in a video game?

Of bloody course, the bloke is a jedi master. Having seen him perform live, I know that he can do some fantastic stuff - and I doubt that this particular effect was faked.

Regardless of how pompous he may seem, I've heard from people that've met him that he's quite the opposite.
This is true - I've met him, and he was really, really nice. Or maybe I just *thought* he was wink

Cheers,
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Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 6:09pm

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i once saw a russian roulete trick by derren brown. He had to guess where the bullets were.
rolleyes

I won't ruin your wonder.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 6:16pm

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Hybrid: He admitted right from the beginning that they were blanks, then, before the show he got someone to shoot a flower pot or something using the same gun from 2feet away and it blew it apart anyway, and he shooting at point blank.

Also I totally believe him, but he's done so many tricks which cannot be done by normal magicians, because he has such a way with psychology... i think..
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 7:39pm

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Now if I did the revolver trick for you guys, you would all laugh at how easy it would be to fake, but when he performs it, you think it's real?


I think it's more wanting to believe.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 7:51pm

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The guy who this was done to (David) was indeed hypnotised via the game and didn't have a clue what was happening.

I've heard through the stuntmen who acted as the zombies that David didn't have a clue what was happening and shot at them due to his petrified reaction once he awoke. Yes, his mates knew what was happening to him, but the guy genuinely didn't.

smile Pretty scary, and it wasn't a paintball gun, it was all squibs/detonations.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 8:01pm

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No, sidey, you're wrong about this.

I doubt you'd be able to perform the effect the way he did it. It wasn't just a simple trick - there was a huge element of danger involved.

Anyway, I guess you didn't see it, but it was a live broadcast where a member of the public took the weapon, placed a single round into one chamber of his choice (which the weapon was held under a table, so Derren couldn't see). The participant then placed a guard was placed over the chambers, so that Derren wouldn't be able to see where in the revolver the round was located. Derren asked the guy to count from one to six - which he did. He was then told to sit behind some bullet proof glass, and put on ear defenders.

Derren then held the weapon to his head, and pulled the trigger. He did this several times, with the intention of aiming the gun at a sandbag when he thought he was up to the round. However, he messed up, and when he fired at the sandbag having avoided shooting himself, the gun did not go off. Whether this was planned to heighten the tension, or was a geniune mistake has been debated a lot, but either way, he then placed the weapon on the table, and after a suitably long period of looking scared, grabbed the gun and rapidly fired the next chamber at his head, then aimed again at the sandbag, firing off the round.

As I say, this WASN'T a simple magic trick. I'm quite knowledgable about magic and the related disciplines, and I can say, with a high degree of certainty, that you wouldn't be able to replicate Brown's feat with the same degree of fairness.

Cheers,
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Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 9:17pm

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This is an example of a well done magic trick. However, all magicians make a living by fooling their audiences.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 9:23pm

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Boyocs wrote:

This is an example of a well done magic trick. However, all magicians make a living by fooling their audiences.
It's not a magic trick. You can send people to sleep with illusions and video, I've witness a very close friend go through hypnotherapy.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 9:34pm

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Have a read at this site

It will help a bit.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 9:34pm

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Wow! I didn't know they could do that.


Hey Boyocs! Nice to see you posting!
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 10:59pm

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It couldn't of been real. When the kid was in his little trance he was standing up with no problem and was holding a gun straight out. If he really was in a trance his arms would be dangling there. Also, If that was me a would have bashed a zombie in the head with the gun and would have smashed throw the glass window to escape. The people running it wouldn't take the chance of having one of the zombie acters getting really hurt. Also, the friends of the kid weren't acting worried at all. There's too many holes in this.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 11:02pm

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Everybody knows that you can't be hypnotized against your own will. I've had to write an essay about hypnotizm before, and every book, site, or documentary I saw confirmed this.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 1:10am

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Well, the world is full of mysteries...
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 1:14am

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Boyocs wrote:

Well, the world is full of mysteries...
LOL! A classic Boyocs/Peter quote! But really.
1.It wasn't truly against his will since he didn't know it was happening.
2.The friends did look sort of worried, but in a realistic way

For me, it could or could not be real.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 1:59am

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What I mean by against his will is that he wasn't trying to go into a trance, and thus he couldn't have. It's one of the reasons why stage hypnotists ask for volunteers instead of picking people out of the audience at random.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 2:16am

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pooky wrote:

What I mean by against his will is that he wasn't trying to go into a trance, and thus he couldn't have. It's one of the reasons why stage hypnotists ask for volunteers instead of picking people out of the audience at random.
I've always wanted to be hypnotized.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 3:00am

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I can't believe you guys are buying this! The best magicians are the ones that fool their audiences to such a conviction like this guy does, but it's not real.


Arktik, it's plain as day that there was no danger involved in that trick, and I don't understand how you or anyone else here can even believe that he actually performed Russian Roulette on live TV. Look at how the event unfolds. ...He pulls the trigger at the sandbag, dramatic pause while the audience wonders, puts the gun to the head to make the audience squirm in their seats and finally, pull the trigger one last time at the sandbag and *BANG*, the bullet is fired to the astonishment of all and to verify the trick. That is what I call theatrics. But is you think for a moment that any of this had any sort of chance or unpredictability, you are wrong.

Same with the zombie game. No one was just brainwashed into thinking they were fighting zombies. Sure, it'd be awesome if it were real, and I'm sure you could hypnotise someone to do that, but not in those conditions, and not with so little contact from the hypnotist.

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What you see on TV is a lie. It always is. You want to know how they probably did that? Outside, with a small audience, the hypnotist looks for a volunteer who is very open to suggestion, and after explaining what is going to happen, and that he is a hypnotist, he hypnotises the volunteer. This is the only way to hypnotise someone. You need cooperation between both ends, and they had to have it just like any other hypnotist.

Then, he instructs the hypnotised person to perform in the ways that you saw.

In generalization: "When you see flashes, fall asleep. At some point you will find yourself in a strange place, and you will see what appear to be zombies. You may not hit them. You may not try to escape. You may only shoot them, if you wish. They will not hurt you, but you can not imagine anything worse than being touched by one. Inside the resteraunt is an arcade machine. Go in there and play it after counting to 30 in your head. Begin."


...That's really all there is too it. Of course, on TV, they leave out that first step in order to make it seem like this guy is some sort of wonderous mind-control master. He's just warping your perception by leaving out information and telling you lies.

Of course, they could all just be paid actors, and there's no way that you can prove otherwise, since you weren't there. I think my previous scenario would be easier to execute, though.

And that's my whole point. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 3:14am

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When it all comes down to it, nobody is EXACTLY sure if its real or not. No matter how indepth or long some1's post is, its still their opinion. Nobody was there, I was just asking what u all thought. So nobody can really post something like "Im absolutely positive its fake" or "there is no way in the world that is real" (even tho its in the poll... u know what i meant) and same goes for people that say "yes it is really real" or so on. Only way we'll find out is if it happens to one of us ha.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 3:15am

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We don't think it's fake, we know it is. It's 100% impossible.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 3:20am

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Yeah. It's a scientific fact that someone cannot be hypnotised like that. That's not an opinion. smile
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 6:27am

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Seems to me rather expensive and elaborate for such a pointless test, but still very entertaining! =D

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Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 6:37am

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Now I normally try to not make posts in the forums on topics such as this, but this one is rather funny, and maybe I can shed some light on this. Sidewinder, thank you for making that long post, you spared me the time of saying all of it myself; now all I have to say is...I agree 100 percent.

Another key detail to add is, in the end of the clip Darren walked up to the hypnotized man and said several words which put him in a hypnotized state of un-consciousness. This does not happen unless prior instructions were implanted before the event. Same thing goes for the blow horn used to wake the individual up. Unless this sound was earlier implanted as a trigger to snap him out of hypnosis, it wouldn't have this effect.

It is also rather convenient that the first person to come along and play this game was susceptible to its influence, but his friends watching the same screen were not affected by the same sequence of flashes. It's a good thing the people in the control room watching the game through the lap top were not affected as well. This is a good gag alright, it's just the gag isn't on the person you see playing the game.

Although there are most likely many other things that could be said about this clip to make it less credible, I will stop here because I am not normally one to ruin the fun for people. Either way, this is an interesting idea, and was certainly entertaining to watch for the first little bit.

But don't let this ruin your fun lol.
Wizard.
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That's still awesome, Sidewinder, even if he was hypnotized before. Nowhere near as "mysterious," but that is an extremely plausible theory. +1 for you! You gotta admit it would still be awesome! It's always been a goal of mine in life to
1.be hypnotized
2.hypnotize someone else
It's just such a cool thing.
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Sidewinder -

You're completley right when you say that some extra work probably took place offscreen (Derren is quite infamous for creating debate amongst magicians over his supposed use of edits). But that doesn't mean that the effect was 'faked'.

By 'fake', I'd expect that you meant that the participants were all actors - and from what I know about Derren, that's just not the kind of thing he does, and there's significant evidence for this, because many of his effects which people have accused him of using stooges for acctually use very clever and ingenious methods, where using actors would have much easier. Why would he use actors or stooges for SOME effects, but not all? That just doesn't make sense.

But still, I stand by my belief that neither the Zombie effect, nor the Russian Roulette, were 'faked'.

Cheers,
Arktic.
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Where does one learn the art of hypnotism?
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wow im not sure if its fake or not but i can tell you that it was awesome!!! do you know what happened later ?

+1
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boffa86 wrote:

wow im not sure if its fake or not but i can tell you that it was awesome!!! do you know what happened later ?
They asked the guy what he thought of the game and due to his experience under "hypnosis" he thought it was really good and realistic etc. Then they showed him the footage of the whole thing.
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Yamfanny :

It depends on what you want to learn hypnotism for. If you want to become a practitioner of professional medical/clinical hypnotism, you need to be trained at a qualified education establishment.

However, I think you mean stage hypnotism, which can either be learned from a course, often offered in magic magazines and the like, or from books.

One book is generally regarded as the 'bible' of stage hypnotism : Ormand McGill's "New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism".

That should be a good starting point. I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I can't post much right now - but if you're after more information, just let me know, and I'll replay later smile

Hope this helps smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
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awesome arktic!
+1
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Yamfanny wrote:

Where does one learn the art of hypnotism?
Not from a Jedi...
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Rawree wrote:

boffa86 wrote:

wow im not sure if its fake or not but i can tell you that it was awesome!!! do you know what happened later ?
They asked the guy what he thought of the game and due to his experience under "hypnosis" he thought it was really good and realistic etc. Then they showed him the footage of the whole thing.
okay thanks!
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Arktic wrote:

Why would he use actors or stooges for SOME effects, but not all? That just doesn't make sense.
Well I am not sure if they were actors. All I can say is that it would make sense for him to in list a few actors if the trick was not do able all together. My bases for saying this comes from what magicians often do with card tricks.

Many card tricks are done with an ordinary deck of cards, but when it comes time for the magician to do a trick that is seemingly "impossible", it usually is "impossible" with an ordinary deck of cards. In most cases this is when a magician would turn to a special deck to help them out. This deck is most commonly referred to as the "Svengali" trick deck.

Now, I am not going to say how this deck is different, or how to spot one when it is being used (being a part time magician myself, it just wouldn't be wise, or fair to other magicians), but my point is, to add to the mystery, and to enhance the audiences over all experience, It would make sense for Darren to embellish his capabilities a tad.

I am, however, not saying that 100 percent, with out a doubt, this was faked...but I am saying that I saw a few things that made it un-believable to me, and made me question whether or not there was a little more preparation behind the "curtain".

Make of it what you will.
Wizard.
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Yeah But isnt it fun to believe it's true
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Lol, it can be yeah. I suppose this sort of thing would appeal to some people. I personally wouldn't like the idea of being so susceptible to being hypnotized and controlled, especially so easily. I can see the fun in it though.

By the count of three you will agree with me 1, 2...I will leave it to you lol.

Good thing it's not that easy.
Wizard.
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I think the BBC proved that hypnosis is possible beyond all doubt:

"Look into my eyes. The eyes, the eyes, don't look around the eyes. *Click*. You're under"

Undenyable proof. Anyone notice how Little Britain just isn't that popular anymore...?
Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2005, 8:55pm

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Yes, Rawree... you see there's this thing called the media you see, when you get older you learn they're all scheming bastards. But anyway, so as soon as they forget about some !shock horror! clips of outrageous racism or fatism or disabiltism(?) then you instantly forget.
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if it was me i would probably end up beating them over the head with the gun out of pure desparation...then walk out of the video game with handcuffs
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Arktic wrote:

Yamfanny :

It depends on what you want to learn hypnotism for. If you want to become a practitioner of professional medical/clinical hypnotism, you need to be trained at a qualified education establishment.

However, I think you mean stage hypnotism, which can either be learned from a course, often offered in magic magazines and the like, or from books.

One book is generally regarded as the 'bible' of stage hypnotism : Ormand McGill's "New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism".

That should be a good starting point. I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I can't post much right now - but if you're after more information, just let me know, and I'll replay later smile

Hope this helps smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
Arktic, I bought the book. Well, actually it'll be here in 4-5 days. In the mean time, are there any websites that are any good? Thanks, Yam.
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 8:55am

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Hypnotism is totally different though. That stuff is just nuts.
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Yamfanny -

There are very few decent websites with detailed information. The best advice I have for you is this - be patient, and don't expect to be doing Derren Brown stuff overnight.

However, McGill's book is regarded as the best intro to the field, so you can't go far wrong with it, imho.

I hope you enjoy it smile

Cheers,
Arktic.