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XL2 for less than $2000?

Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 9:29pm

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Here Wow. Can this be true? How could they legally not sell it for what they say? Wow.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 9:34pm

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Utter rubbish.

Please read -

http://www.price.com/vendor_review_display.html?vid=-2147483186

http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-7593-0.html?forumID=58&threadID=102840&messageID=1179087

They are rip off artists.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 10:33pm

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mad I hate this. I hate being poor. This stinks. Whenever something seems too good to be true, it always is. $1500 was too far off to reach. Now, I need $3999. This will never happen, so for now I am stuck using a piece of crap Ultura. I can't wait till I can get a job! ARGGGHHHH!!! I am in such a bad mood.

(Note. This is not a useless post, for it shows my opinions of how overpriced the world is. Please, no negative ratings as now I am in a horrible mood already.)
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 10:36pm

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There's not a chance in hell I'd pay $4000 for an XL2 when Sony have HD Cams going for $2000
Posted: Fri, 24th Jun 2005, 10:51pm

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Don't get an XL2, get a GL2. When you see you can't afford something, then just don't get it unsure
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 1:10am

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pooky wrote:

Don't get an XL2, get a GL2. When you see you can't afford something, then just don't get it unsure
GL2 hm..... any good? I guess it is since u recommended it. Does it have variable frame rates? How 'bout the audio? Can you hear the whir of the camera in the footage?
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 1:53am

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Well I haven't used the camera, although what I do know is that I'd rather have a GL2 over an XL2. The thing is, for some reason the footage I have seen from the GL2 looks better than that of the XL2. I don't think you can hear the whir of the audio and I'm not sure about the variable frame rates. But seriously, do you really need it? It's 2 - 3 thousand dollars less, give it a break smile

An XL2 is overkill, IMO.

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Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 1:57am

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You could probably get a used XL1 for $1,800 to $2,000 if you search around. But yeah, a GL2 would probably be the way to go.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 2:12am

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Yeah... that sounds awesome. At B&H, it is $1,689.95 total. That's only $563.32 each for the three of us at Myronic Studios. HEY BOYOCS!!! GET OVER TO THIS TOPIC!!!! Thanks guys. +1 to Pooky, I think, for bringing this up!
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 3:12am

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HEY BOYOCS!!! GET OVER TO THIS TOPIC!!!!
Type louder, I don't think he heard you.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 3:21am

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I also should metion that it'd be real fun to call up these digital liquidator guys and screw with them.

Salesman: "You'll need to buy the lens and battery or your camera won't work."

Me: "Oh that's alright, I have a spare lens and battery."

Them: "Well, these are foreign."

Me: "That's alright. I collect XL1s from around the world."
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 4:45am

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Try a DVX100a... it's $1000-2000 cheaper, and a better camera overall. Has 24p, "16x9" mode (stretched digitally, but still great quality because it uses the whole chip, whereas the XL2 ONLY uses the whole ship for widescreen and only 1/4CCD for 4x3)

DVX100a is a better camera, cheaper, and less bulky. Plus is has an LCD... wheras the XL2 has a friggin' eyepiece that's 2" wide...

Better, cheaper, I love you.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 5:57am

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Hey Yamfanny. How old are you? In your videos I am guessing that you are a young guy. If you are, I would hold off until you are at least in High School because by then you will be able to buy a better camera for the same price. Patience and everything will be alright. I like your Christmas movies on a regular camera.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 3:16pm

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sidewinder wrote:

I also should metion that it'd be real fun to call up these digital liquidator guys and screw with them.

Salesman: "You'll need to buy the lens and battery or your camera won't work."
Me: "Oh that's alright, I have a spare lens and battery."
Them: "Well, these are foreign."
Me: "That's alright. I collect XL1s from around the world."
Good idea. smile
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 3:23pm

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sidewinder wrote:

HEY BOYOCS!!! GET OVER TO THIS TOPIC!!!!
Type louder, I don't think he heard you.
ROFL razz

DPUMA8 wrote:

Hey Yamfanny. How old are you? In your videos I am guessing that you are a young guy. If you are, I would hold off until you are at least in High School because by then you will be able to buy a better camera for the same price. Patience and everything will be alright. I like your Christmas movies on a regular camera.
Thank you! As of now I am technically a high schooler. (Just graduated 8th) It's nice to find someone who likes the HSYWYS ( smile ) series. I do like the way our movies turn out, but after watching some movies on this site that are really good quality film, I can't help thinking that our movies would just look so much better in better quality. It ads to the whole illusion of immersion and really makes it seem professional. The GL2 sounds good to me. If only Boyocs would get over here...
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 5:16pm

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Did someone call me?
The GL2 does look pretty nice, but I don't think it was necessary for you to yell.
Posted: Sat, 25th Jun 2005, 5:27pm

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Boyocs wrote:

Did someone call me?
The GL2 does look pretty nice, but I don't think it was necessary for you to yell.
Hahaha..... Boyocs, I knew u would hear!
Posted: Mon, 27th Jun 2005, 3:50pm

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http://www.bbbnewyork.org/businessreports/Default.aspx?id=68047

253 complaints filed this year, shouldnt that spark a investigation?
Posted: Mon, 27th Jun 2005, 3:57pm

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Sniped wrote:

http://www.bbbnewyork.org/businessreports/Default.aspx?id=68047

253 complaints filed this year, shouldnt that spark a investigation?
I was talking about B&H, not Broadway
Posted: Mon, 27th Jun 2005, 4:03pm

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i was talking about the original site u mentioned, digital liquidators, o and by investigation i meant federal investigation
Posted: Mon, 27th Jun 2005, 4:32pm

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Sniped wrote:

i was talking about the original site u mentioned, digital liquidators, o and by investigation i meant federal investigation
O. The site that that linkwas talking about was called broadway film or sumtin....
Posted: Mon, 27th Jun 2005, 4:42pm

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Yea digital liquidators goes by the name broadway blah blah blah, they are under alot of names, some of which (including digital liquidators) is listed in the link
Posted: Mon, 27th Jun 2005, 5:33pm

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Sniped wrote:

Yea digital liquidators goes by the name broadway blah blah blah, they are under alot of names, some of which (including digital liquidators) is listed in the link
What scammers.... mad
Posted: Mon, 27th Jun 2005, 8:10pm

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Yeah whenever buying a camera in the US I would go with BH at www.bhphotovideo.com I just bought a dvx100a from there on friday! It should be in on wednesday!
Posted: Mon, 27th Jun 2005, 9:02pm

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AcjPictures wrote:

Yeah whenever buying a camera in the US I would go with BH at www.bhphotovideo.com I just bought a dvx100a from there on friday! It should be in on wednesday!
That's where I'll buy the GL2 (If I ever get the money...)
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 7:32pm

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I also have just graduated 8th grade. And let me tell you the better camera is not what makes the movie better. Even visually.
As well, the PV-GS400 is a 3ccd camera for around $1500 but you can get it cheaper. It has the same quality as the DVX100a and a more compact size. Me and my friend are saving up for one now. We know this because an older buddy of ours has both cameras and compared side by side there is no difference.
Here are the things that really make the movie look good.
1.) Story (I'm still working on dumb catagory as well)
2.) Audio
3.) DOF
4.) Grading

If you do #'s 3 and 4 your movie will look like film even on a $500 camera. If you do #'s 1 and 2 you have an enjoyable and profesional movie.

Don't go spending all your money on new technology. If your like me the first 6 years experiance I've had in filmaking has been to develop my technical skills. It sure helps, but its not what makes the movie.
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 10:00pm

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i don't know if its too late to post this but i found some pretty good deals on XL2 packages at priceritephoto.com. (one of which i am purchacing) I am really miffed with digitalliquidators. when doing research for XL2's there was NO indication on the page that it was the foreign package. Now i do give them credit that they called me to tell me that it was foreign but then they gave me this long sales pitch for a 4000 dollar XL2. If your looking for an XL2 i would sudgest looking HARD for forums, reviews, complaints and other things like that. and if something seems too good to be true shoot em an email and ask them. Thats just my advice. If you want i can post a review of the camera when mine comes in (if that would help any)

dojo
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 10:02pm

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What bluesmudge said is true, but I think a lot of this depends on what field you are working in. One of the huge reasons I decided to upgrade my camera is because I make videos for other people. Those include wedding videos, graduation videos, plays, etc. So when you are making a product for someone in a competetive market it is a different story. Yamfanny if you see yourself making videos for people then I would consider moving up to a higher level camera such as a gl2 or any other high level camcorder. As many people have said before it is the story of the film that makes it good, not how professional it looks. I don't think that is true in cases such as event videography because it has to look good. So Yamfanny before you go out and buy a really high level camcorder I would question why you are buying it and how much use you would get out of it. If you see yourself using it for making films a lot and you think that it will improve you movie quality I say go for it vise versa with event videography. On the other hand if you are just buying a high level camera because you think it will save your movies, wait until you get more experience under you belt and then buy a better camera.

Edit: Dojo I'm not really sure how reliable priceritephoto looks. An XL2 even for $3000 sounds risky. That's a $2000 dollar price cut and just doesn't seem natural. The only reliable sellers I've seen selling XL2's at that price are when it's body only. I'd do a lot of checking before I bought that. BHphotovideo.com rocks!
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 10:13pm

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oh yes i did a LOT of checking. i waited about 2 months before making the final decision. I found that all the places i saw that had the body only indicated clearly that it was the body only. but thats just what i found. I sincerely agree with you on that its not just the camera but it does help.

EDIT: by the way when did the XL2 come out? I imagine that with a good amount of time between now and the release and a high inventory of XL2's would set the XL2 down to that price. You also have to imagine it from the point of a buisness man. are you more likely to sell an XL2 for 5000 or 3000? If you have a lot of XL2's to sell at that price it's easier to make money because people aren't afraid of the price.

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Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 10:17pm

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Ok then that's really good you found such a good deal. Hopes all goes well with the shopping!
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 8:58am

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dojo, i saw this site as well and did a little research. it seems as if the company gets positive when you buy the additions but otherwise they arent very honest. check resellerratings.com one of the comments that sparked me not to touch this site was

As I was searching for a Canon XL2 - this Web Store popped up on a search engine indicating they are a CANON AUTHORIZED DEALER. Of course I verified this with Canon, who inform me that they ARE NOT an Authorized Dealer. BUYER BEWARE - You Get What You Pay For.

so hopefully everything turns out right if you already ordered from them