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Posted: Tue, 28th Jun 2005, 4:01am

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Rating: +1

I just got back from a press screening, and let me just say:

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That's me pounding my keyboard in excitement, because War of the Worlds is the best movie I have seen since Return of the King. This was quite a relief, as most movies I have been looking forward to this year have dissapointed me. Sin City: Good, but not great. Star Wars: You all know. Batman: Really cool, but was missing something. So far this year, there have been three movies that have made me feel complete after exiting the cinema.

1. The Ring Two
2. Kung Fu Hustle
3. War of the Worlds

There are only so few things that I didn't like about this movie it amazed me. Sin City, Star Wars, and Batman all had things that I really did not like, or HATED. In war of the worlds nothing made me mad, but there were a few things that didn't rub me the right way. But eff those things. What did work in this movie worked better than any movie since Return of the King.

The action is intense. The first appearance of a tripod will go down in my book as one of the most goosebumifying moments in movie history. The noise it makes......oh my god. Every action scene thereafter is not so much bad ass though, as it is mind boggeling and at some points, disturbing.

The movie had great drama as well. Now, as of late, I have been a bit of an anti-Cruise person, and I was worried that my annoyance of him would get in the way of me trying to appreciate his acting. Too bad for my closed mind that Tom Cruise was great in the movie. Not to mention everyone else involved with the movie. Even Dakota Fanning was astonishing, and I hate child actors.

Minor, minor spoilers
One part that I specifically appreciated was a moment where the aliens come down from their tripods and into a basement to investigate. Two aliens move over to where there is a bike. One alien pushes the wheel, and then the bike falls over. It was such a moment where I expected the other alien to get mad, and comically slap the other alien, and then the whole audience would laugh, and I would be pissed. But no, the alien just kind of pushed the bike afterwards, just as I would have. Just a tiny detail that made me love the movie that much more.
Minor, minor spoilers are over

There are a few plot points that didn't work for me, a line or two, and crazy ass Tim Robbins (he was alright sometimes, but sometimes just sucked). Other than these minor problems, this movie was perfect, and the best movie of 2005, and the best movie in years. I haven't felt this good since The Ring Two
Posted: Tue, 28th Jun 2005, 5:33am

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Are you kidding me?...you didn't like The Pacifier?! wink

I'm extremely excited to see it so I hope it is as good as you say.

-Logan
Posted: Tue, 28th Jun 2005, 3:25pm

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Just to save 'yall all of the trouble of making those words big... both of the teeny text things say The Ring Two
Posted: Tue, 28th Jun 2005, 6:19pm

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The movie looks like it's going to be awesome, and I'm gonna go see it right away. Now I just wanna know how you got into a press screening...
Posted: Tue, 28th Jun 2005, 6:31pm

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oh you know, big timers like me get into press screenings all the time. I mean my friend won them from the radio and couldnt make the movie, so he gave them to me.
Posted: Tue, 28th Jun 2005, 6:48pm

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I heard the Ring Two sucked...

Hmm, was it that good? Tom Cruise didn't ruin it? Awesome!
Posted: Tue, 28th Jun 2005, 7:01pm

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Yeah, the ring two is universally hated by everyone. I think there may be two people in the world who loved it though, and I'm both of them.

Yes, cruise was truly great in this movie. He worked suprisingly well as the crappy buy trying dad, a character I feel is always overdone in any movie that is trying to portray it.
Posted: Tue, 28th Jun 2005, 7:10pm

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Waser wrote:

Yeah, the ring two is universally hated by everyone. I think there may be two people in the world who loved it though, and I'm both of them.

Yes, cruise was truly great in this movie. He worked suprisingly well as the crappy buy trying dad, a character I feel is always overdone in any movie that is trying to portray it.
I liked the Ring Two smile
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 7:49am

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That makes three of us then. soon, we will rule the world!

by the way, there was no midnight showing of WoTW, so I'm going to have to wait to see it again in about.......16 hours. too long!
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 3:41pm

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Waser wrote:

oh you know, big timers like me get into press screenings all the time. I mean my friend won them from the radio and couldnt make the movie, so he gave them to me.
What he's saying is he beat the crap out of a news reporter and stole his tickets. smile
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 4:14pm

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I think the Ring Two issue needs to be addressed first : It wasn't as good as Ring Two, but it was a slightly cleaned up/more sensible version of it. So it was alright, just nothing compared to The Ring.

Anyway, glad to hear WoTW is good. I'm looking forwards to seeing it. smile

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Waser wrote:

oh you know, big timers like me get into press screenings all the time. I mean my friend won them from the radio and couldnt make the movie, so he gave them to me.
What he's saying is he beat the crap out of a news reporter and stole his tickets. smile
That's what you get for squirting Waser with Water.
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 9:17pm

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What an incredible movie. It kicked ass and took names, for sure. It was so realistic and had me convinced that there were giant tripod machines marching around outside the theater. There were several points where I instinctively scrunched back into my seat in order to "escape" from this or that. Any movie that does that to me is amazing. This is a superb movie, and definately am gonna try and get a chance to go see it again.
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 9:19pm

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Waser's review is dead on.

Just got back from seeing it and I have to say that the movie is brilliant.
My emotions went from wondering to worried to pissed (with humans) to pissed (with aliens) to scared to pissed (at Tim Robbins) to worried to relief to WOW.
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 9:21pm

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Glad to hear it's good.

I'm going to try and see an IMAX showing of War of the Worlds this weekend. If it's that intense on a regular screen, it's going to be even more breathtaking on a large screen. smile



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Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 12:25am

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I just got back from seeing it again, and it still kicked ass. God I really don't like one thing about the ending though. anyone who has seen it knows what im talking about.

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Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 12:26am

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Is it one of those endings where the guy goes to some exotic location and ends up staying there much to the sadness of his friends and relatives?

I hate those endings.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 12:59am

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This is a brilliantly executed film in almost every manner. Some of Spielberg's best work, to be sure, and some of ILM's best work.

The visual effects are absolutely stunning and incredibly convincing.

It also shows that Dakota Fanning can actually play a little girl.

I could talk and talk forever, but I won't. See it now.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 2:19am

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pzgamer825 wrote:

Is it one of those endings where the guy goes to some exotic location and ends up staying there much to the sadness of his friends and relatives?

I hate those endings.
A lot of Spielburg's Sci-Fi flicks end like that, AI, that other one with Tom Cruise where they arrest people before they do the crime, and those are the only 2 I can think of right now, but ohwell. I might see it tomarrow.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 3:04am

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It seems to me everyone is all caught up in the effects and what not. Yeah they were amazing.. but the story was garbage. Worst ending I've seen in a long time. This movie was a BIG dissapointment.


**Spoiler**






My a$$ the son made it back ok....





**End Spoiler**


... disgust


EDIT

And another thing...


**Spoiler again**




"Dad! Dad!... I just gotta see this... I just gotta see this..."

"Hmm, OK son! see u in Boston smile "




**End Spolier**




Get.. the hell... out of here....

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Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 3:12am

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*spoiler*

I don't care if the son made it back okay, sure its improbable, but the rest of the movie was so amazing I didn't let that ruin it... besides, it was nice to have something truly GOOD happen after all that destruction. Sure, the aliens were destroyed, but I mean, thats not satisfying, because Spielberg did his job right, and you care more about Ray and the kids at that point, and what will become of them.

*end spoiler*
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 3:25am

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I loved this movie alot. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I havnt been enertained by a movie like that in a while.

Btw has any of you read the book the white mountains. This movie resembles it in many was.

SPOILERS
Like when cruise chucks a grenade into the tripod. They do that in the book two. And the aliens from the movie match the discription of the aliens in the book. Interesting facts qiouncidence( how ever the freak you spell it) or not... O well THis movie kicked Buttous maximous
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 4:03am

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This movie was so good. The ending was straight from the book...I don't see the problem with it, as well as the story...complete garbage? That is quite harsh I think. I agree with Aculag, I wanna see it again SOON.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 4:15am

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SPOILER!















normally at the end when the son was at the house i would have thought it was cheesy, but since there was so much destruction and everything went wrong, it was so good to see something good happen that it wasn't cheesy. An i gotta agree with everyone else it was an awesome movie
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 5:33am

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Like I said.. wrapped up in effects...


**Spoiler**




Someone please explain to me why his son HAD to see it and why Tom let him go?? Please... I'm begging...
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 7:17am

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COMMENCE PRIMARY SPOILERS
I guess it had to do with letting your kids go...or something. plus robbie really wanted to see the aliens get killed, AND Ray was panicked because of the people taking Rachel away.

I will admit, Robbie coming back at the end was a steaming pile of crap, but I think that hardly warrants calling the story as a whole ass.

END OF SPOILERS
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SPOILT!



No, it's because Robbie is a selfish prick like his Dad.


Now that that's settled...


This movie was excellent. There were no 9/11 references, contrary to what all the critics whine about. Shut up.


A SPOILER WITHIN A SPOILER!?!?>!?!.1

The ending made me want to play the second-to-last level of Half Life 2.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 7:28am

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yeah, every god damn review is like "a movie in a post 9/11 world" when really the only reference is Dakota saying "IS IT THE TERRORISTS?" which is the line I referred to that annoyed me in my opening post.

for some reason, critics have been saying that allot. In a news paper, the words "post 9/11" were in the land of the dead review, and the batman review as well.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 7:50am

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I could care less about the 9-11 stuff, I didnt even know anything about that. Im just not over the wack story. Remember I loved everything else (visual's, cinetography, score...) just not the story, and thats what makes it or breaks it.

**Spoiler**

This is was aj said to me in a AIM convo...


"And somehow Tom Cruise immediately gets first in line for everything - the boat, checking out the hole in the ground, the running car, freakin not getting killed ever, finding the basement by running towards the guy holding the shotgun in the air. Thats unreal."

And Waser u said it was something about letting your kids go? Haha, you may let them off into the real world, yes... but you dont let them off into explosions, military shooting rpgs and lazer beams coming from giant robots.

Also the guy they met with the shotgun in the cellar was pretty pointless. He was given way to many lines than he should've. He should have been killed pretty quickly because he didnt really play any part.

And what tops it off is the end when he drops of Dakota.. and Mom, Gramps and Grams come outside like they've been having tea the whole damn time. Are you kidding me? Hey, atleast I know where to go when Aliens actually do attack the Earth........... Boston....





**End Spoiler**



It really is just feces in a very pretty wrapper with a bow on top.[/url]
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THATS NO MOON, THAT'S A SPOILER
see, after I came out of the movie, I was as well bothered by the fact that it was always cruise surviving, but that's just movie logic. If you want to get in the meat of what is going on (action wise), the main character has to miracuosly (sic?) escape the action.

I agree that Robbins character was kind of pointless. I mean take him out of the situation, and it could have just been Rachel and Ray in there.

Also, the ending is really lame. The way boston (or at least that street) was fine, and Robbie coming back really makes NO SENSE at all, but again, how does that make the overall story ass?
THEY DISENGAGED THE SPOILER! IT'S NOT MY FAULT!
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Haha, because that was the whole story! hah, nothing else happened. Please tell me what I'm missing here...

THE FOLLOWING SPOILER HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU BY CX3




*Ray's Working.
*Ray gets kids dropped of to him and his wife and her husband are straight out of "The Santa Claus" (with Tim Allen).
*Robbie doesnt like him.
*A storm happens. (I will refer to all the special effects and and explosions and crazy stuff you see now as Pretty Bull Sh<beep> abbv. P.B.S.
*They run and drive away.
*P.B.S.
*They run some more.
*Robbie has to see the aliens and Ray says okay.
*P.B.S.
*Ray and Rachel meet a psycho.
*Red bloody roots start growing for some reason.
*Ray kills the psycho.
*Aliens find them in the house and take them into their chambers.
*P.B.S.
*Ray blows up the ship.
*P.B.S.
*The cage falls about.. oh... alot of feet into a tree and on the ground and everyone climbs out.
*They start walking again.
*The aliens are dying.
*Ray drops off Rachel to the neighborhood that was untouched and The family comes out as if they didn't know what was going on the whole time, all dressed up and looking nice.
*Robbie comes out because he made it back. Hurray!
*Morgan Freeman ties it all up for us.



END OF THIS SPOILER...


...

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Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 8:04am

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THROW ME THE IDOL, I'LL THROW YOU A SPOILER
the whole movie is the family coming out of their house in boston...right. (I know that's not what you meant, I just wanted to be a smart ass) To me, the whole story was about cruise being a dad in an incredible crisis, and trying to keep his stuff together. To me it was a story about cruise trying to be a dad when his kids wouldn't let him. It just happens to also be about them escaping some mother effing bad ass alien tri pods. Letting such a minor thing ruin the story as a whole just seems like you don't want to like this movie. I say seems because I really have no idea what it's like inside your head.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE WITH ME SAMWISE GAMGEE, IN THE END OF ALL SPOILERS
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I Edited my last post. Check it out.. Thats how I viewed the movie. And youre wrong. I wanted to love this movie, been looking forward to it since I 1st saw the trailer and even built it up to all my friends who werent near as excited. But I shouldnt have.
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ah, the power of the word "seems". it's like one of those damn sheilds it is.
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Huh...
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nevermind. It's uh....it's been a rough year.
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Hah, it's cool. I guess to each his own when it comes to movies. O's well, now I'm just waiting on King Kong.
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Of course this is all opinions, but have you read the book CX3? It is pretty much exactly as the movie, except the movie is modernized, though you may hate the book as well.

The character in the basement was a combination of quite a few characters from the book, that is probably why he had so many lines.

Why did Cruise make it to the front all the time and survive? Probably because the movie would go like this if he didint:

#()*)(@#@_)*#)(@#*(@@#_SPOLIERS_(@&A$)@&U)$@*&)($&@)(${*@#)





Ray's Working
Ray's Kids are dropped off who don't like him
Storm Comes
Ray Goes outside to investigate afterwards
Ray is fried by a laser
The kids die
Movie ends after 30 minutes.


Though, it seems as though you would of liked that version more wink

To each his own I guess.
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WAR OF WORLDS rulled! i really loved it!
thats all i have to say
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END SPOILER





BEGIN SPOILER
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SPOILER!!SDF!!1

I liked how ray just kept getting lucky and escaping... he didn't do anything supernatural to do it, he just got lucky all the time. It was more believable than it could have been.

Now that I think of it, what was the significance of dakota fanning having a splinter at the beginning of the movie? maybe its because the martians were the splinter, and earth was the hand that would naturally push it out, but that was never paid off or mentioned. When i watched that scene i expected to have a bigger significance later. Oh well, I still frickin loved this movie.

ENDZ SPOILERZZ@!!q2ON1E!
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Rrrrr.... we went to see it last night, but it was all sold out.... sad
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CX3 wrote:

Like I said.. wrapped up in effects...


**Spoiler**




Someone please explain to me why his son HAD to see it and why Tom let him go?? Please... I'm begging...
***SPOILER****
Well i dont know why his son had to see whatever. but tom had to let him go, so that those other people wouldn't take his daughter. And there yah go.
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hah, rrrright

Anyways, this is EXACTLY how I feel about it.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/entertainment/12014360.htm


Please Read...
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We obviously have different views, but I liked this movie for everything that was in it. I liked the story and the acting and the gritty realism of the story, and even though some of the arguments you present against it do make sense to me, I can't deny that I absolutely loved this movie... Oh well. biggrin
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Rating: +1

SPOILERS HEREIN


Poor. Biggest disappointment of the year. Biggest disappointment, and it came from Spielberg. Which makes it even more depressing.

I've never known a film be so technically astounding but fail so monumentally. If you start with a bad script, no amount of incredible filmmaking can fix that, and that's evident throughout WotW.

There are many fatal flaws.

Tone

The film could never decide what it wanted to be - a fun, campy, cheesy (in a good way) action-adventure romp, or a gritty, realistic survival thriller/horror.

The opening and closing narration (especially with the world on the leaf etc) implied it was going to be a lot of fun. Not comedy of course, but it looked like it was going to have a gleeful lightness of touch - which you can still have while retaining dramatic weight.

However, the rest of the film was incredibly serious and 'gritty'. Which also would have been fine, if it had stuck with that. But the narration sat at odds, as did Cruise's ludicrous grenade attack. And some of the staging of scenes, like the abduction of the girl - brilliant cinematography, looked amazing, but so stylised it didn't fit amongst the realism. And don't even get me STARTED on the survival of the older kid. I'm amazed by how many people are glossing over that fact. The rest of the flaws I was willing to accept and move on, but when the kid reappeared it utterly, totally and completely killed the film for me.

Firstly, there is no way he could possibly have survived. Rationalise it however you like - it is simply impossible, given the logic presented by the rest of the film. If this had been a fun adventure romp, they could have got away with it, it would have been fun and made me cheer. But you can't pretend to be realistic and serious and gritty and then insert something gobsmackingly cheesy and terrible like that in the end.

No consequence

The survival of the kid introduced another massive problem. They all got away scot-free. Sure, lots of randoms died who we never knew. Boo hoo. That's like losing red shirt people in Star Trek.

The kid's death had leant the film a bit of emotional weight, despite the tonal problems and other things I'll go into below. Bringing him back alive at the end - in a totally ridiculous manner - undermined the only genuine emotional beat the film had going for it.

Think, for a moment, about rewatching this film. If the kid had died, as he should have, the parting scene would still resonate, as would all those before it, and the ending would have weight and a sense of loss. Without it, all the stuff with the kid is pointless. All it does is remove a central character, thusly destroying what was shaping up to be quite an interesting character dynamic between him and Cruise. It makes that whole character arc utterly irrelevant. It also makes the whole struggle against the aliens too easy - there's no fallout, no sacrifice, no genuine loss. If you're portraying a 'realistic' struggle for survival, you can't have all your main characters get away unscathed.

Rubbish. Destroyed the film for me.

Source material problems

I've never been sure about the original WotW story. Sure, it's considered a classic, and considering when it was written it's pretty amazing. And set in its proper time period I imagine it would work superbly.

However, set modern day, the flaws show up. The plot is basically 'aliens attack'. That's about it. And the ending, the saviour of mankind...I've never been able to make my mind up as to whether it's a genius plot twist or rather lame. In a modern setting, in this film, it came across as rather lame.

You're telling me that aliens this advanced didn't do a basic check of the environment for hazardous materials?

Right.

You don't get into outer space, create that level of tech and have the ability to travel between planets without developing enough intelligence to check for dangerous bacteria.

Good stuff

Despite all that, there are many good things to say about it. It's a masterclass in suspense, use of visual effects, action etc. The first reveal of a tripod is astounding. In fact, the tripods were beautiful, they were exactly how I'd always wanted them to look.

In fact, the curious thing is that every single scene in the film is absolute fried gold. The first arrival of the tripod and the destruction of the town and Cruise's utter panicked escape. The army attack. The boat sequence. The hide-and-seek in the basement with the eye stalk. The genius conversation in the car with the camera sweeping around and about. The terrifying attack by the people trying to get the car (probably the best scene in the film).

If you walked in halfway through this film, having not seen it before, you would be astounded by almost any sequence. If you left again at the end of that particular sequence, you'd still be impressed.

However, take it all as a whole and it falls apart in a rather tragic manner.

To sum up, I'd say that WotW is "this year's Riddick". Last year, Chronicles of Riddick fell neatly into the category of "superbly well made, but a total mess and fatally flawed". This year it's WotW in that category. And it's incredibly frustrating, because, as with Riddick, there is so much potential there, and so much filmmaking skill clearly involved on every level.

But they're both perfect examples of how important a screenplay is. Without foundations, you can have the best filmmaker in the world at work and it won't work as a whole.
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I never took the son thing that seriously to begin with. It all depends on how much you invest yourself into the characters. I was rather detatched the whole time, since I viewed it as more of an observation of people in an invasion rather than telling the story of some people in the invasion.

So yeah, it's a flaw, but my viewing of the film wasn't riding on that aspect, so it didn't crash and burn for me.
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I agree Tarn. It amazes me what flashy effects can do to people.
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Rating: +3

Waser watches the screen, drools, and claps.
Dur! I like the boom!

Don't place yourself above us.
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I wouldn't say it's just flashy effects that people are seeing, CX3. Almost every scene displays filmmaking genius, on every level, not just CG effects. However, as I said in my longer post, that's all for nothing if none of it hangs together.

I didn't care for any of the characters at any point. And I'm not the kind of person who always NEEDS sympathetic characters in a film - some of my favourite films are populated with despicable characters. However, the characters in WotW just seemed...well, nothing really. Dull. Not due to bad acting - Cruise and Dakota both did brilliant work. It just all fell a bit flat for me.

However, the fact that the suspsense was still suspenseful and the terror was still rather terrifying, despite all the problems I've gone into, kinda indicates just how masterful Spielberg is at filmmaking as a craft.
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I feel the exact opposite way that you do, strangely enough. And don't think for a minute that im just impressed by the special effects, don't try to be better than me, because I honestly didn't think about the effects that much after the first tripod revelation, they were so realistic that I just followed the story, and they had set up the family as a regular flawed family, much like mine or yours, and I felt for them. During the scene where they get ambushed by the mob wanting their car, I was gripping my seat, hoping that he'd get his daughter out of it.

I loved all the little details too in scenes like that, ie- the guy prying open the windshield with his bare hands with blood all over was so freaky because I thought about how badly I'd want to get a way to escape, and I realized I could and would do that in that situation. I felt for basically everyone in the movie because of this. After the guy with the gun takes the car, and the camera pans slowly back to the family in the diner, and you see and hear the other guy shoot him repeatedly in order to get the car, but its not front and center on screen. In this manner the camera seemed to me to be a 4th family member following them around, as It very rarely, if ever, strayed from the leads.

Another shot i absolutely loved was the flaming train going by. It was so creepy and haunting, and its one of those other little details that sells the realism for me. If you're feeling for the characters, and even the measly extras, then you know the filmmaker has done his job in creating realism and a good story and characters.

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Remember I loved everything else (visual's, cinetography, score...) just not the story, and thats what makes it or breaks it.
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CX3 wrote:

It amazes me what flashy effects can do to people.
You can't deny that this statement at least SOUNDED pretentious
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CX3 wrote:

Remember I loved everything else (visual's, cinetography, score...) just not the story, and thats what makes it or breaks it.
Yeah, that's a pretty good one-line summary of my long, rambling review. smile
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Just got back from watching it and was a little disappointed. I thought the movie lacked the explainging that was crucial to the story. What were the vein things about? Why were they eating people? Why do they want our planet? So many things that went unanswered that I think should have been. Also the movie just ended. It was almost like spielberg got bored with the movie and just wanted to finish it. There should have been much more explaining. Spielberg's best, I think not.
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Edit: The special effects were amazing!
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I remember reading a while ago that the exact reason why the aliens wanted earth was never meant to be explained. Not knowing why you are being overrun and killed is much more scary than knowing. Ambiguous hints were dropped however that should have been enough to explain the story enough in your own mind.
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The effects were past the level where I actually didn't consider this a special effects movie. They were integrated so well that it was a visual movie. Not a special effects one. The images weren't supposed to be amazing trickery. They were supposed to be amazing photography. That's not special effects in my opinion.
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sidewinder wrote:

The effects were past the level where I actually didn't consider this a special effects movie. They were integrated so well that it was a visual movie. Not a special effects one. The images weren't supposed to be amazing trickery. They were supposed to be amazing photography. That's not special effects in my opinion.
Exactly.

Its amazing to think that technology has gotten THAT good that it can produce such realistic and stunning work in such a short amount of time... this movie was filmed at the end of last summer... less than a year from filming to release, and the effects had to be done a while before the release, to ensure that all the copies and stuff could be made. This has the best special effects i've seen in a long time, and it was done in a matter of MONTHS. That is incredible.
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Yet it was still rushed.
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I felt the effects had a very 'first draft' look to them. They lacked the polish I usually associate with ILM's big projects (ie, anything for Lucas, Spielberg, Zemeckie or Cameron). The design and use of the effects was absolutely superb, nothing really comes close to it for inventiveness, but the compositing and feel of the visuals always seemed fairly obviously CG to me. Wasn't a problem at all, because the visuals were astonishing and used really well...but I was always aware of them being effects. Majorly impressive that they could turn around stuff of this quality in such a short time, but I wish they'd had longer to add that final polish of realism.
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I agree with Tarn on the whole but I still enjoyed the first 3/4 of the film a lot.

It did have an element of "Signs" for me - aliens attack but fail to check that they are totally allergic to earth...

I hated that the boy lived, the whole end seemed silly for me. From the moment Tom took down the tripod it went down hill for me. The "look at the birds!" moment (for some reason trying to peck a big metal robot) showing the shield was down was when I really gave up on the film. Then the big (rather pointless) attack where they fire everything they have at it. Then ending up at the grandparents home which looked fine really - just some people have dumped their cars - no major destruction. That bit all went too fast and it would have been better to know that we had nothing left when they finally started to die off - the end just seemed rushed.

Liked most of the rest although it did seem to jump from realistic to heavily stylised. I was also suprised that many of the effects were not top notch (guess ILM had all their best guys working on EP3 which had stunning effects). The flames on the train were dire (although I still liked the element of terror it gave to the scene) and some of the early compositing wasn't great either.

Still, enjoyed most of it, and loved the sound.
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EEK Schwar, you didn't put a Spoiler warning sad
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Rating: +2

Oh come on!

This entire thread is full of spoilers, do you really think you can read the 1 or 2 posts which don't contain them and get something useful from this thread? People are talking about the film, if you don't want to know about it then don't read a thread about it...

Silly.

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One of the films strongest points, in my opinion, was the sound. Any sounds that came from a tri-pod I want to find and listen to on my mp3 player over and over again.

I would say that the situation with the aliens in this is a bit different than the one with signs, thought there are obvious similarities. In signs, the aliens should have died right when they got to earth, no, what with water vapor and all, but I think that what killed the aliens in WOtW was a bit more subtle than that. I'm just assuming that the alien's technology was unable to pick up the little bacteria, but still deemed the air breathable and water drinkable. Also, I was reading through some of the book again, and found this

Waser gets out his copy of War of the Worlds book

This is from the epilogue
My knowledge of comparative physiology is confined to a book or two, but it seems to me that Carver's suggestion as to the reason of the rapid death of the Martians is so probable as to be regarded almost as a proven conclusion. I have assumed that in the body of my narrative.
At any rate, in all the bodies of the Martians that were examined after the war, no bacteria except those already known as terrestrial species were found. That they did not bury any of their dead, and the reckless slaughter they perpetrated, point also to an entire ignorance of the putrefactive process. But probable as this seems, it is by no means a proven conclusion.


Also, the closing passage of the book may explain (or at least mirror) the crappy ending.
And strangest of all is to hold my wife's hand again, and to think that I have counted her, and that she has counted me, among the dead.

I'd also like to say that I completely disagree with the criticism of the special effects. I thought that they were fantastic, and can't even fathom why someone would place them above ep III's, so I won't. I'm sure this one is just another matter of opinion.
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If spoilers bother you (as they do me), then simply do the sensible thing and don't read a thread that is all about the movie until you've seen it. Call me crazy, but that would seem to be common sense. smile
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You're crazy!
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Who rates the effects ABOVE ep3? You must be joking! The visual effects in ep3 are way ahead of anything else. Take a look at the fire on the train again, it really is terrible. Also the compositing of Tom running about at the start while everyone is being dusted isn't that great at all.

The design in WotW was first rate, but the execution was a mix of great and not so great.
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while War of the Worlds has it's shortcomings, Ep III does as well. Much of the compositing is weak as well, and when CG was used to make people do stunts (IE dooku doing a flip or palpatine jumping off of stuff in the mace fight) look just plain bad. I think that both films, at their strongest points, are fantastic and about equal
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The digital double of dooku was pretty fantastic, its the way that he suddently did something athletic which was odd to me. He didn't do that kind of thing at all in the Yoda fight in ep2.

There was one slight odd composite I remember in ep3, but if you consider how conplex the composited shots in ep3 were and how many of them there were then I think ep3 is easily way beyond anything else.
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I dont really know what to think of this movie...
It is a typical steven spielberg film...COMPLICATED...

People who just watch the movie, dont really know what the story was actually reflecting to...invasion of aliens = invasion of the french ...

The Fx were amazing...but as tarn said, not to be matched with EP3...

SPOILER

What i thought was funny is, when Tom cruise pulled the granades open, with his teeth...obviosly, because the rings where in his mouth....THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE...everybody who was at the army would know this...it is impossible to "open/activate" a grandae with the teeth...

There were alot of thing I didnt really understand...
obviously the aliens died because they werent used to all the illnesses and bacteria in our world...just like the indians in america died, because the europeans brought in unknown illnesses ...
WHY WERE THERE RED ROOTS ... AND WHAT USE DO THESE HAVE THE ALIENS ???

SPOILER END

all in all, I would give this 3/5

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p.s: The little girl was SOOO annoying...screaming like a maniac ALL THE TIME !!! STILL WELL ACTED, JUST IT WAS ANNOYING !!!
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If we talk about logic, anybody else was bothered by the fact that not only did the aliens didn't bother checking for potential diseases or other toxic issues that could affect them, but also why did they wait until the whole globe was populated before starting the invasion? It seems that the pods where buried a long time ago so why not take the planet then (when the civilization was much less advanced) instead of burying pods and waiting for the whole place to populate? Also, wouldn't their technology get better with time? So why bury weapons for milleniums and use them for a full scale invasion? It's like burying a cannon from the Civil War and deciding to dig it up to use it in Irak now...

It's totally ridiculous... For me, that's where the movie fell apart and kept going downhill from there...

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I don't think Spielburg has that much logic. Never has, never will.
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pzgamer825 wrote:

I don't think Spielburg has that much logic. Never has, never will.
Evidence please.

You can't just throw a clearly antagonistic comment like that out without backing it up at least slightly. smile
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Backing up? What's backing up?

Let me rephrase what I said. Spielberg has logic, but his films don't.

Jaws? Um, yeah.
Indiana Jones? Haha.
AI? Bogus.

Not that this is a bad thing of course, if there was logic, it would be, simply boring.

But to expect logic in War of the Worlds, well, that's not exactly a good expectation.
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JohnCarter wrote:

If we talk about logic, anybody else was bothered by the fact that not only did the aliens didn't bother checking for potential diseases or other toxic issues that could affect them, but also why did they wait until the whole globe was populated before starting the invasion? It seems that the pods where buried a long time ago so why not take the planet then (when the civilization was much less advanced) instead of burying pods and waiting for the whole place to populate? Also, wouldn't their technology get better with time? So why bury weapons for milleniums and use them for a full scale invasion? It's like burying a cannon from the Civil War and deciding to dig it up to use it in Irak now...

It's totally ridiculous... For me, that's where the movie fell apart and kept going downhill from there...
I think the reason they would wait is becuase they needed people to suck the blood from. As I think all the vains were sort of like what we see in games such as StarCraft, a spawning ground for them something which they're original planet is probably completly covered with.
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You guys are criticizing a hundred-year-old story! C'mon! If you're going to criticize the movie, don't talk about how the bacteria ending made no sense. You can't make a movie called "War of The Worlds" without doing the bacteria ending. And you can't make it without tripods. If you're going to criticize Spileberg, don't criticize him for things that are beyond his control.

And the red vines waere the bacteria. Or that's how it was played in the book. This movie seemed to play it the other way, but I'm not sure. That is probably its biggest problem.
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I'm kind of confused on how bacteria made their sheilds go down..., unless the aliens were chemically attatched to the tripod and when they got sick it made the tripods fail. I dunno.

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Rating: -1

Maybe put a spoilerwarning next time.
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What else was kinda wrong in the movie was...the narrator at the beginning said, they were studying us and wanted to kill us humans, but they planted the stuff even before the humans were on EARTH...thats what this weird guy said, who was then murdered by tom cruise in the cellar ...

Also, a good point by someone...if they were studying us for millions of years, sure they would have known about the illnesses and bacterias that exist on our beloved planet...

Ofcourse Sider, the book isnt spielbergs fault, but they could have changed it to fill up the mistakes in the plot and make it understandable...BUT somehow it is also good, because, AS WE CAN SEE, it is a movie of which we can discuss endlessly about its meaning...that is what he did well...RESPECT !!!

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ben3308 wrote:

Maybe put a spoilerwarning next time.
Its been covered already, read a few pages back, don't go into this thread till you've seen the film, or are ready to get spoiled. Simple as that.
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sidewinder wrote:

You guys are criticizing a hundred-year-old story! C'mon! If you're going to criticize the movie, don't talk about how the bacteria ending made no sense. You can't make a movie called "War of The Worlds" without doing the bacteria ending. And you can't make it without tripods. If you're going to criticize Spileberg, don't criticize him for things that are beyond his control.
I'd just like to clarify that in my review I blamed those elements on the source material, not Spielberg and his team. smile

However, I would say that transposing the story to modern day highlights these issues as problems. Set in Victorian times, science is not such an issue. However, when you are inevitably comparing the aliens against our modern tech (clearly massively inferior), it then comes across as utterly ridiculous that they hadn't noticed deadly bacteria.

In the original, you'd be subconsciously comparing them to 19th century tech and society - and it was set in a fairly mundane part of England. The contrast in the original inevitably makes the aliens appear incredibly advanced against the primitive 19th century humans. Which is why the bacteria ending is quite clever and satisfying.

I'd argue that in a modern day setting, the bacteria twist doesn't work as well.
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hatsoff2halford wrote:

I'm kind of confused on how bacteria made their sheilds go down..., unless the aliens were chemically attatched to the tripod and when they got sick it made the tripods fail. I dunno.
we can only really assume that the aliens had to do something manual to keep the sheilds up/recharging. When they got sick, they were busy trying to pilot and passed out, or something. thats my take anyway
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Just got back from the theatre, and I gotta say, the movie's not as good as some people say it was, but it was still pretty top notch. Technically, it was almost perfect. The sounds were especially thrilling. That eerie noise when the vaporizer ray was starting up freaked the hell out of me. As for visual effects, I have no idea why anybody would complain about these, let alone compare them to episode 3. Epsidoe 3 effects weregood, but just looked CG to me, not just because the situations in which CG was used was impossible, just because characters didn't look like they were all filmed THERE, TOGETHER. With WoTW, it was completely different. The tripods looked extremely real to me, and not everything was CG. The difference between Lucas and Speilberg is, with the cages the people were in, Speilberg used real elements, such as sets; whereas Lucas would probably greenscreen the people into a CG cage. The matte paintings in WoTW were breathtaking and looked extremely real, IMO. The compositing looked so natural in WoTW to me, that I stopped thinking, "Man, those people are just composited into some CG tentacles" and started thinking, "Holy crap! Those aliens are swingoing people around in their tentacles!".

WoTW just didn't have a cool factor going for it, nor a very touching story of struggle, but they did play off of the complete desparity of people in periless situations, which is what made it a good movie for me.

If I had to rate the movie overall, it'd be 3.5/5

Said and done.
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Rating: +1

Saw it with Ben. Wasn't anything special, but since when do ten-year-old girls buy their clothes from Urban Clownfitters?





Seriously.
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There's an urban CLOWNfitters now? Oh I get it. A pun. A play on words. Too big top for me.
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I thought it was better than I expected. I thought it would be sort of Minority Report (which I didn't really like so terribly much) but... different. I thought the ending was very smart. Though the film ended quite sudden. Shame... I wanted to see more! It had some real (good) Spielberg-like jokes in it, like "Are they from Europe?". Being European myself, that had me laughing the most in the whole film, as it was for everyone else in the room. What also seperated this film from bad action movies, was that there were some shots that everything became more and more silent, And everything was a bit vague. And you thought "Okay, now something is going to happen..." But nothing happened. It really kept the tension! And yeah, I thought too, that after planning for millions of years they must've known of those dangerous bacteria, but just look at it like this; They were stupid! They're like us! We make such stupid mistakes too!

Anyway, great film. 4/5 definately!
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I loved it! It seems most of the negative comments center around the relationship between Ray and Robbie. I could sense that Robbie had alot of anger toward the tripods from the moment he stepped out of his mother's destroyed house and looked around. He wanted to destroy them thats why he had to see. He wanted to see victory. Ray on the other hand was just trying to keep the family together like any father should. There really wasn't anything he could do in the situation. I feel like maybe Robbie should've died there though and been grabbed by the tentacles to be used as fertilizer. Like "no man ever died in vien." The end with the whole family being okay is alittle too hollywood. About the tripods...incredible. Absolutley exceeded my expectations. They scared the living piss out of me to be honest. It scares me more than Jaws or anything Speilberg has done to think about it.
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Saw it, loved it. Best film this year yet. But there's still some highlights to come. smile
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Best film of the year yet huh. Hah, I didn't think you would've said that. But then again, nothing really major has come out yet this year besides batman..
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And Episode 3, that's pretty major smile

I saw it, thought the effects were FANTASTIC, best I've seen in a long time. In my opinion, they were FAR FAR more believable than EPIII's effects, which I thought were a huge letdown. Sound was also brilliant, especially for the tripods. I thought the story was okay, although rather flawed.

This is probably my favorite movie of the year with EPIII. Now I just need to see King Kong smile
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CX3 wrote:

Best film of the year yet huh. Hah, I didn't think you would've said that. But then again, nothing really major has come out yet this year besides batman..
Episode 3 was far bigger than Batman Begins. No one I knew really cared to go see it or anything, but EVERYONE saw Star Wars.
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evman101 wrote:

CX3 wrote:

Best film of the year yet huh. Hah, I didn't think you would've said that. But then again, nothing really major has come out yet this year besides batman..
Episode 3 was far bigger than Batman Begins. No one I knew really cared to go see it or anything, but EVERYONE saw Star Wars.
Perhaps people are more in-the-moment with Batman Begins because it is more recent, whereas Ep. 3 is over a month old.
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SPOILERS>>>>


i havent seen the movie yet but im going tomorrow because i am so excited about it..but my friend already seen it and was wondering why they didnt explain why the son leaves to go with the army and when all the soldiers die the son is still alive in the end but they dont explain how..anybody?

END SPOILERS:>>>
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elementcinema wrote:

SPOILERS>>>>


i havent seen the movie yet but im going tomorrow because i am so excited about it..but my friend already seen it and was wondering why they didnt explain why the son leaves to go with the army and when all the soldiers die the son is still alive in the end but they dont explain how..anybody?

END SPOILERS:>>>
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Nobody knows element hah.

Also my fault about my last post, I ment to say Ep3 as well. I havent even seen batman yet.
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Batman was a crapload better than Ep3, IMo, Chris. Not to say Ep3 was bad, or anything, Batman was just better because it was a normal movie and not a Star Wars movie. (EX: it had real sets and real props, rather than just craploads of CG elements) Go see Batman Begins......now. I imagine oyu'll find it alot better than you apparently found War of the Worlds. wink

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EVERYONE saw Star Wars.
I didn't. And I won't. smile


Haven't seen anything in cinema this year wich I liked as much as War of the Worlds. But then again, I havn't seen Sin City, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Corpse Bride or King Kong yet, wich I all could imagine be great films judging by the trailers.
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CX3 wrote:

But then again, nothing really major has come out yet this year besides batman..
Are you kidding? This is the most enjoyable year for movies I can remember in long time.

Sideways, Closer, A Very Long Engagement, Ray, The Sea Inside, Sin City, Batman Begins, SW ep3, The Machinist, Team America...and they're just the ones that spring to mind.

They're also just the ones I've seen, there's been a whole bunch of others that I missed that also sounded great.
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The Machinist was great! Have yet to see Sin City, wich still didn't come out here. sad

Batman was a bit of a disappointment and I haven't seen any of the others you mention.
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Tarn wrote:

CX3 wrote:

But then again, nothing really major has come out yet this year besides batman..
Are you kidding? This is the most enjoyable year for movies I can remember in long time.

Sideways, Closer, A Very Long Engagement, Ray, The Sea Inside, Sin City, Batman Begins, SW ep3, The Machinist, Team America...and they're just the ones that spring to mind.

They're also just the ones I've seen, there's been a whole bunch of others that I missed that also sounded great.
In the U.S. (at least) Tarn; Sideways, Ray, Closer, A Very Long Engagement, The Sea Inside, and Team America came out last year. smile

Unless you are referring to a school year. wink
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I considered most all those other movies 2004. I forgot to add Sin City to my list as well, my fault.
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Let me say that that movie sucked some major ass.

~So many plot holes.
~Bad acting.
~Good Special FX...
~Good Sound FX...
~I've never checked my watch so many times during a movie - ever
~Spielburg directed that? Wow...
~I was really bored during the last 2/3rds of that film.
~"RACHEL!" "RACHEL!" "RACHEL!"
~The moments of stairing carelessly into the distance while every smart person is trying to get AWAY from the things - not stair them down.
~The whole "biological cells kill Aliens" crap
~The announcer at the start and finsish of the film
~Tom Cruise was in it...
~Tom Cruise hasn't done anything decent since Top Gun, yet he is somehow the highest paid actor in America?


I SWARE THIS HAPPENED IN THE THEATRE I WAS IN! The entire audience at the end was mumbling "OK?" "What was that?" "Well that sucked..." "Ok - wha?"...etc.

Now I understand some folks liked it, but I hated it and apparently others did too. Batman Begins - Best Film I've seen recently, StarWars, close second.

Andrew biggrin
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Tom Cruise hasn't done anything decent since Top Gun, yet he is somehow the highest paid actor in America?
And with that comment you just blew your credibility.
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~So many plot holes.
like?
~Bad acting.
I thought it was really good.
~Good Special FX...
yes
~Good Sound FX...
yes
~I've never checked my watch so many times during a movie - ever
I was too, to make sure it wasnt gonna end soon.
~Spielburg directed that? Wow...
Yeah, he did.
~I was really bored during the last 2/3rds of that film.
Ok
~"RACHEL!" "RACHEL!" "RACHEL!"
Yeah, if you were him, wouldn't all you care about be protecting your kids, especially a little girl who gets scared of ANYTHING?
~The moments of stairing carelessly into the distance while every smart person is trying to get AWAY from the things - not stair them down.
When the first tripod showed up, people were in awe, and trust me, when something like that happens, people would stick around just to see it, until it started shooting of course.
~The whole "biological cells kill Aliens" crap
Thats from the frickin book.
~The announcer at the start and finsish of the film
Whats wrong with him?
~Tom Cruise was in it...
Yeah... so? I thought he played the part very well.
~Tom Cruise hasn't done anything decent since Top Gun, yet he is somehow the highest paid actor in America?
Agreed with Sidewinder.

I'm sorry, I just really liked this film, and I'm being forced to defend it. Lol. Nothing personal, I'm just tired of hearing how much it sucked.
razz
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Sollthar wrote:

EVERYONE saw Star Wars.
I didn't. And I won't. smile
Never?
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Wow! My heart is still pounding from watching this movie.

Amazing.....Astounding....Incredible....The effects are to die for!

Jesus...This movie is a 10!

Damn this movie rocks!

Thats all I have to say...

..::Conspiracy::..
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Spoilers.

Bacteria: Seemed a little bit of a cop-out to me but I'm glad they kept it in since, as has been mentioned, it's in the original book. I lean towards the "integrity to original" side rather than the "artistic license" one.

Effects: For the most part I was engrossed in the story and didn't really stop to notice the quality of effects, so I guess that's a compliment towards their work.

Son escapes: Yeah, IMO, it was far-fetched and I would have preferred him not to magically escape, but I wasn't overly bothered with it. It didn't ruin the film for me or anything.

U.S.-centric: Unsurprisingly, we barely saw -- if at all? -- any tripod destruction of places other than in the U.S. I didn't mind the lack of key landmarks since I felt it made the film focus more on the characters and everyday people. But surely there was room for even a minute of some destruction (and later resolution) in Europe, Asia, etc? But, again, not overly bothered with this since it's come to be expected from Hollywood.

Ending: The last, say, 15 minutes disappointed me, and was the one thing that made me think less of the overall film. The reason being, it all ended so quickly!

There was a fantastic build up of suspense, danger and so on throughout the film which was really engrossing me, but then suddenly, at the point when Cruise's character notices the tripod shields are down, the film abruptly ends about 10-15 mins later, if that! Where's the resolution? Where was the release of all this superbly built-up suspense?

Conclusion: I still thoroughly enjoyed it; great film, but not brilliant IMO.
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Andrew, I agree with you on everything except the Tom Cruise top gun thing. Have you seen The Last Samuri?

Edit: And the same audience comments happened in my theatre as well, and it was opening night.
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Hendo wrote:

U.S.-centric: Unsurprisingly, we barely saw -- if at all? -- any tripod destruction of places other than in the U.S. I didn't mind the lack of key landmarks since I felt it made the film focus more on the characters and everyday people. But surely there was room for even a minute of some destruction (and later resolution) in Europe, Asia, etc? But, again, not overly bothered with this since it's come to be expected from Hollywood.
That's the point of the story, though - it was all about Cruise and his family, it never cut away from them. We never saw the US president doing his thing, the only time we saw the military is when Cruise stumbled across it. So they couldn't have shown other countries without breaking the narrative style they'd gone for - which I was quite glad about, it separated it from all the normal disaster movies.

As for Andrew's comment about none of Cruise's films being good since Top Gun...well, that's the silliest thing I've read for ages. In fact, it's not even worthy of a detailed response. smile

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~So many plot holes.
like?
How did Robbie get home? If the ships had shield generators, and the aliens were dying, why would the shields go down? How did Ray NEVER DIE? How did they just 'find' Tim Robbins basement? How is Boston completely unharmed? etc.


~Bad acting.
I thought it was really good.
It was a bit generic, just straight-forward Cruise being a loser Dakota Fanning Being a know-it-all Tim Robbins being semi-psycho. We've seen it before. Or at least I have. They need more character analysis. They were all very shallow.


~Good Special FX...
yes
Yes, Although I felt they showed far too much of the tripods/ aliens. It would've been much more suspenseful if they had shown more shots were the dust was covering it or a peak of light is blinding the person from it, etc.

~Good Sound FX...
yes
Yes

~I've never checked my watch so many times during a movie - ever
I was too, to make sure it wasnt gonna end soon.
I have to agree. I checked my watch soooooo many times. The movie wasnt that long, but wow, it just wasnt entertaining enough for me to lose time and just watch it.

~Spielburg directed that? Wow...
Yeah, he did.
Not his best, I gotta say. But everybody knows I think he's soooo overrated.

~I was really bored during the last 2/3rds of that film.
Ok
Bored. Me. Yes. Nobody likes following a sweaty fat old man in a whifebeater for more than 1/2 an hour, do they?

~"RACHEL!" "RACHEL!" "RACHEL!"
Yeah, if you were him, wouldn't all you care about be protecting your kids, especially a little girl who gets scared of ANYTHING?
Yeah, but there's a line between REALISTIC and ANNOYING

~The moments of stairing carelessly into the distance while every smart person is trying to get AWAY from the things - not stair them down.
When the first tripod showed up, people were in awe, and trust me, when something like that happens, people would stick around just to see it, until it started shooting of course.
No. I don't think people are that stupid, honestly, and that 'awe' happened far too much for my liking. "AWWWE." SCREEEAAAM! "AWWE" SCREEAAMM! Too much

~The whole "biological cells kill Aliens" crap
Thats from the frickin book.
Yeah, but they couldve wrapped it up a bit slower so it didnt seem thrown in there.

~The announcer at the start and finsish of the film
Whats wrong with him?
Morgan Freeman is awesome. Seriously, they wer trying to find someone similar in tone to Orson Welles.

~Tom Cruise was in it...
Yeah... so? I thought he played the part very well.
No, I dont think he did.

~Tom Cruise hasn't done anything decent since Top Gun, yet he is somehow the highest paid actor in America?
Agreed with Sidewinder.
No no no. He hasnt been SANE since Top Gun.

Deliberate, now, fool. smile
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The [quote] BBCode is there for a reason people, try to use it when quoting people so as to avoid utter confusion as to who is saying what.
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atom wrote:

~So many plot holes.
like?
How did Robbie get home? If the ships had shield generators, and the aliens were dying, why would the shields go down? How did Ray NEVER DIE? How did they just 'find' Tim Robbins basement? How is Boston completely unharmed? etc.
-Robbie got home, we don't know how. Somethings can be left unexplained. The shields would go down because as Waser said a while ago (I think), they most likely need to manually keep them running, probably using blood, since they use it for pretty much everything else. Ray was lucky. They found his basement because he was yelling a screaming and waving a shotgun around. Boston was semi destroyed, but didn't you see that all the tripods we saw there were dead/dying already? My belief was that they got sick before they were able to send many tripods to Boston.


~Bad acting.
I thought it was really good.
It was a bit generic, just straight-forward Cruise being a loser Dakota Fanning Being a know-it-all Tim Robbins being semi-psycho. We've seen it before. Or at least I have. They need more character analysis. They were all very shallow.
-You're completely forgetting about the father/son relationship, which i thought was excellent.

~Good Special FX...
yes
Yes, Although I felt they showed far too much of the tripods/ aliens. It would've been much more suspenseful if they had shown more shots were the dust was covering it or a peak of light is blinding the person from it, etc.
-Are you kidding me? The whole scene on the hill top where the army was fighting them... you didn't see the tripods AT ALL until they had defeated the army, and then it was for like 2 seconds.


~Good Sound FX...
yes
Yes
-Yes

~I've never checked my watch so many times during a movie - ever
I was too, to make sure it wasnt gonna end soon.
I have to agree. I checked my watch soooooo many times. The movie wasnt that long, but wow, it just wasnt entertaining enough for me to lose time and just watch it.
-To each his own I guess, I found it extremely entertaining and did not want it to end.


~Spielburg directed that? Wow...
Yeah, he did.
Not his best, I gotta say. But everybody knows I think he's soooo overrated.
-Spielberg's a good director, hes not the best, but he's definately good, and IMO this movie proves he's still got it.

~I was really bored during the last 2/3rds of that film.
Ok
Bored. Me. Yes. Nobody likes following a sweaty fat old man in a whifebeater for more than 1/2 an hour, do they?
-Sweaty fat old man in a whifebeater... wtf?

~"RACHEL!" "RACHEL!" "RACHEL!"
Yeah, if you were him, wouldn't all you care about be protecting your kids, especially a little girl who gets scared of ANYTHING?
Yeah, but there's a line between REALISTIC and ANNOYING
-I didn't find it at all annoying.


~The moments of stairing carelessly into the distance while every smart person is trying to get AWAY from the things - not stair them down.
When the first tripod showed up, people were in awe, and trust me, when something like that happens, people would stick around just to see it, until it started shooting of course.
No. I don't think people are that stupid, honestly, and that 'awe' happened far too much for my liking. "AWWWE." SCREEEAAAM! "AWWE" SCREEAAMM! Too much
-You'd be suprised. Curiosity is very very dangerous. I still think that that would happen in real life, you can think and say they're stupid in retrospect, but when you're caught up in the moment, its completely differenet.


~The whole "biological cells kill Aliens" crap
Thats from the frickin book.
Yeah, but they couldve wrapped it up a bit slower so it didnt seem thrown in there.
-How'd it seem thrown in there? They found the dying weed, saw the dead tripod, noticed the shields were down, took it down, and saw the dead alien, then we had morgan freeman's nice little wrap up at the end. Whats the problem?


~The announcer at the start and finsish of the film
Whats wrong with him?
Morgan Freeman is awesome. Seriously, they wer trying to find someone similar in tone to Orson Welles.
-Agreed, the narration was really good, and reminded me of orson.


~Tom Cruise was in it...
Yeah... so? I thought he played the part very well.
No, I dont think he did.
-Why didn't he? When wasn't he playing the character very well?

~Tom Cruise hasn't done anything decent since Top Gun, yet he is somehow the highest paid actor in America?
Agreed with Sidewinder.
No no no. He hasnt been SANE since Top Gun.
-Still - agreed with Sidewinder razz

so yeah

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Rating: +1

evman101 wrote:

-Robbie got home, we don't know how. Somethings can be left unexplained.
Yes, but not that. It's quite an important thing to leave unexplained - Robbie was engulfed in a massive, massive explosion that took out the whole hill and all the military. If Robbie has developed some kind of impervious skin or tech that can save him from nuclear fire, then he could at least share his secret with people!

-You're completely forgetting about the father/son relationship, which i thought was excellent.
It had potential to be excellent, unfortunately they made the awful narrative decision to remove the son from the film halfway through, which left that whole plot thread floundering. And then just as you thought they'd done something interesting with it, they bring Robbie back at the end magically, so you don't even get to see Ray's sense of loss - and all it does is emphasise how stupid it was to remove Robbie from the film in the first place. The hilltop 'goodbye scene' is nothing but a ham-fisted attempt to wring some emotion from the audience - negated and made utterly pointless by his magical return at the end.

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No no no. He hasnt been SANE since Top Gun.
HA HA HA ur so funy and clevr!
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Tarn wrote:



I'd respond to some of your other points, but I didn't know what you were referring to half the time, as you just quoted atom's entire post in one huge segment at the top. If you need to quote, it should be done as I have here - with each bit above its relevant reply.
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I thought the father son relationship was well done, lol, I don't know what more I can say. I thought it was really good, and I was feeling for them, so to me it was really good... to you, it was obviously bad.
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It's quite an important thing to leave unexplained - Robbie was engulfed in a massive, massive explosion that took out the whole hill and all the military.
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, what you actually saw was Robbie running behind a hill. Then you saw a big explosion behind the hill, without actually seing what it hit, or what it didn't hit. At least that's what I remember seing.
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I've never seen so many people come up with their own hypothesis's as to everytime something stupid happened in a movie.
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hey, everytime I see a movie that I enjoyed, and there's a plot hole, I scramble to think of how it was possible. Actually coming up with something to entertain yourself is a great feeling smile.

my personal favorite: Robbie had a magic carpet. That's it.
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 8:03pm

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Robbie had a magic carpet.
Yeah, I thought that was pretty obvious. What is everyone complaining about?
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 8:07pm

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I think you're just making that up boggle
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I just presumed Robbie has impervious skin, like the big guy at the start of X2 in the mansion. Which presumably means he's a really selfish git, because he never used it to help people out.

What I would have accepted is if he'd survived and turned up at the end, but had been wheeled out on a stretcher, saying weakly "I'm alright, I'm alive, I'm just very badly burnt!"
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Waser wrote:

hey, everytime I see a movie that I enjoyed, and there's a plot hole, I scramble to think of how it was possible. Actually coming up with something to entertain yourself is a great feeling smile.

Exactly. It makes you think, instead of having it spelled out for you.
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the new version was "garbahge". no real story line - etc. i will give you the cgi was good - but nothing else. see the first one for a better movie. true - it has no cgi, but it's still better.
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I'm sorry to all the people that hated this, but this may just be the best (Serious) movie I've seen since LOTR.

If I had a nickel for every time you said something stupid, this would be a spoiler

I loved it. It just seemed so..... realistic if you can believe it. Some day, something like this may happen. (Not necessarily aliens though) There HAS to be some kind of apocalypse some day. And I thought the people were just as scary as the aliens.
The way they attacked the car just seemed so zombie-ish yet still realistic. It shows you how desperate we can really become. Also when Cruise murdered Robbins..... it was just so creepy the way they set it up with the lullaby....
The flaming train, chilling.
Can't get the car attack out of my mind still......
It all seemed so real to me. The aliens seemed perfectly heartless. It was so hopeless and depressing. It shouldn't have been any other way. I just can't describe how I feel about this movie....
The dead bodies in the river....... perfect
I loved when Cruise was looking for Rachel and he ended up looking out over miles of the red weed...
Going back to the danger of our fellow humans, the scene where the couple was taking rachel was perfect. The boy felt as I did about the aliens. I wanted to see them killed. Soooooo badly.......... I wouldn't have risked that though...
I looked at the vine as a crop of theirs, or a way for them to replicate their homeworld. Whatever the case, It added to the domination effect. Does any1 know what it's real purpose was?
When the aliens (Or TriPod Minis as I like to call them smile ) Came down, I could understand wanting to shoot them, but at the same time I knew that he shouldn't because of their machines.
Ray living, I had no problem with. The way I look at it in these types of movies, there are always survivors. ALWAYS!! Except if the sun exploded...... The movie follows the survivors, not someone who dies early. If you noticed, he was not the only survivor.
I accept Boston being barely harmed, because they can't attack everywhere at once. There were just getting to boston as they began to die.
I saw one problem with this film at first. That was the son living. Why? Why did Speilburg do that? It was impossible. But then, I thought about it. After the military was defeated, hummers drove away. What says he wasn't in 1? Also, he was not in view during the explosion, and neither was the full explosion. I figure, there needed to be something to make you feel good at the end. (Unlike, in my opinion, the deeply depressing AI)
I thought the bacteria was FINE. It was a great plot twist. These seemingly indestructible aliens getting destroyed by a stupid mistake such as not checking the air first. The ned was a bit quick, but there really was nothing left to say.

SO long, and thanks for all the spoilers!

10/10 for me. Worthy of best picture in my mind.




EDIT: wow. That was my longest post ever! smile
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"It was the evolution of humans that produced microbes and disease so when they initially came to the planet, there were no humans, hence not much harmful bacteria." This is from DannyK5 at IMDB. It makes perfect sense. I posted it as a new reply so he got the credit.
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Yamfanny wrote:

"It was the evolution of humans that produced microbes and disease so when they initially came to the planet, there were no humans, hence not much harmful bacteria." This is from DannyK5 at IMDB. It makes perfect sense. I posted it as a new reply so he got the credit.
That actually makes some sense nice thinking.
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ssj john wrote:

Yamfanny wrote:

"It was the evolution of humans that produced microbes and disease so when they initially came to the planet, there were no humans, hence not much harmful bacteria." This is from DannyK5 at IMDB. It makes perfect sense. I posted it as a new reply so he got the credit.
That actually makes some sense nice thinking.
Wasn't me.
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My mom got me the movie, and let me say, this movie is GREAT! It's so intense, all the way up to the end. My only problem with it is the ending just happens way to fast. I mean, the ending is so genious (thanks to the writer of the original War of the Worlds) and its just so clever, but I think they could have done it better.
Here's what I would have done.... I would have made it 2 1/2 hour movie as appose to 2 hours. For the last 30 minutes, I would have slowly introduced the idea of what kills off the aliens, and leave clues, and make it suspensful, but at the same time you know its coming. But instead they introduce the idea so damn quickly you don't even know what hits you. It's like they said, "I'm sick of this movie, 2 hours is enough, lets just have the last 10 minutes show the aliens dieing, and bam will explain why."
But other than that it was a really good movie, kind of scary too, and its just so good on a big screen with surround sound. I swear, home theaters are like 100x better than theater theater when it comes to sound. But this movie was amazing.
And about the DVD itself, my only problems with it is they don't go into how they made the begginning sequence at all (people vaporizing, building blowing apart) I mean come on, that's what every one wants to know about. Instead they just have a 10 minute futurette about the creation of the tripods and the aliens, which is cool, but not completely what I'm looking for. I guess they could have done a 30 minute documentary on the film in general like on Kill Bill 1&2, that couldn't have hurt much. Also, would commentary kill you Mr. Speilburg? And maybe a new DVD menu layout, its the same for what you had for Saving Private Ryan, I like variety. crazy
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Anybody else get the DVD?

- edit- Also I wanted to point out how great Tom Cruise's acting was. Its nothing like he's done before. When I saw commercials for this I was expecting his part to be semi-heroic Minority Report action hero gotta save the day dude, but he's just a lower middle class guy who for the most part just cares about himself. And you can watch the transformation in him from being a semi-neglegent father into a decent/caring father. It's too bad he's kinda gone crazy with his "Caballa" religion which is kinda becoming a fad for holly wood right now. Those poor people having thier religion ruined by people who do it mostly cuz its "in" right now and not because they really, truly, deep down inside belive it.
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Hah, I dont even wanna get started on this joke of a movie again.
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I find this movie good, not great. But good....

... Though I might have to get the dvd, cause when I saw this in the cinema, I had a terrible seat, pluss loads of people ruining it in the cinema by screaming and laughing and shit.
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Nothing worse than being surrounded by screaming, laughing and poo.
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Tarn wrote:

Nothing worse than being surrounded by screaming, laughing and poo.
Worringly sounding like you speak from first hand experience?
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The aspect of the plot that I really liked was the fact that Tom Cruise did not become some butt-kickin' hero-type guy, like would have happened in 99% of movies. He was/did what anyone I know would have done, just try to get his family the hell out of harm's way. The whole "We hate our noncustodial Dad" thing got a bit old after a while, as did Tim Robbins' wacko "can't pass up a chance to tell the world my views on George Bush" rants. All and all a very solid movie, great FX-very unnerving
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drspin98 wrote:

The aspect of the plot that I really liked was the fact that Tom Cruise did not become some butt-kickin' hero-type guy, like would have happened in 99% of movies.
Did you miss the silly bit when he single handedly brings down a tripod by taking a live grenade into it's gaping sphincter maw, and blows it up from the inside, escaping entirely unscathed (and also ungloopy)?
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I'll give you that, but my point is that the whole plot of the movie didn't center around him being some super hero, just an average guy.

I thought for sure that that part in the very beginning when he showed that he was the best at using that crane would somehow be used in him killing the aliens, I was a bit surprised it was not.