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Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 9:27am

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Conceptualized, shot, edited, rendered, and completed in three sleep deprived hours on one hot March night; "Found" is a movie without a real beginning or end. Originally made as an FX test, we found that we wanted to take this one step further. Whether or not we did so is evident is beside the point, for this movie was made more for fun than for theatrics.

A couple of technical notes: during the capture process, groups of video were lost possibly due to a dirty tape head, and were henceforth unrecoverable. For this reason some things may not make sense, such as why the main guy jumps and then lands on the ground if he was standing in the first place; or why the man digging has yet to break the soil. And for some reason Vegas rendered an elfglow twice in some clips, so it may seem excessive at times. (Just pretend like this film is some pretentious noirish flick)

We didn't expect much out of this movie, but I like the way it came out, so we might as well post it.
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Reviewers rave, "...superb shots", "..quite good...", and "...damn near perfect"; so you [i]know[/i] it's gotta be worth a watch.
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Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 11:17am

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Looks cool, but could get boring if you overused the style. I liked the sound for this. And the first shot was quite cool, with the spotlight style & then the character appearing.

Lighting was good & complemented the filter well. Editing pace & camera shots were good. You could make a longer film based on your ideas in this, with the visual style, but then no more because it would be a bit much.

Love the homoerotic ending:
Man 1: what do you want?
Man 2: you

How sweet *snigger

Anyway, good work though something more substantial next time?
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 3:33pm

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What can I say, I'm a very loveable guy. biggrin

Truth was, we planned something longer but we heard multiple gunshots police sirens, and PEOPLE running through our alley.

We figured we'd just end it there. smile
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 4:23pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

Lighting was good & complemented the filter well. Editing pace & camera shots were good. You could make a longer film based on your ideas in this, with the visual style, but then no more because it would be a bit much.
Thanks. I edited, shot (with some help), and lit this to kind of have a sense of impending doom. There were no lights in my backyard- where it was shot- so we decided to use a solitary worklight to light the whole thing; moving it as the shot moved. I don't plan on doing the noirish style that this has again very many times in a movie, because, as you said, it is a bit excessive. As for the sound, believe it or not, every sound in here besides the two lines spoken was added in post.

Love the homoerotic ending:
Man 1: what do you want?
Man 2: you
When I told them to say those lines I didn't really think it would come off that way, but...well, it did. wink


Anyway, good work though something more substantial next time?
You betcha. Don't worry, we've got more in store.
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 10:50pm

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That was quite good, but you dig a hole like someone who's been told he cant spoil the garden.
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 11:30pm

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Maybe he wasn't actually digging, maybe he was....uh....gardening!
Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005, 11:44pm

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I like this!

Maybe it was a *bit* too stylised for my liking, but there were some superb shots that more than made up for it.

The standout shot, for me, was the zolly - it's very difficult to get those to look 'right' and not utterly clichéd, but yours was damn near perfect, used to great effect.

Not much else to comment on, other than I can't wait to see what else you guys have got up your collective sleeve biggrin

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 12:05am

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Oh, and if you all are wondering about the "what do you want? you" thing, I forgot to add:

This is a test comerical for the new cologne Desire-Fatale
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 12:17am

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Arktic wrote:

The standout shot, for me, was the zolly - it's very difficult to get those to look 'right' and not utterly clichéd, but yours was damn near perfect, used to great effect.
Thanks for the feedback, but I have a couple of questions:
Which shot are you speaking of? And what's a zolly? You mean like a zinger or something?
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 12:46am

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Ben -

The 'Zolly' shot is where you "Zoom in, and dolly out"; basically, you alter the zoom in one direction, and physically move the camera in another direction. This results in the object in the foreground remaining the roughly same, but the perspective in the background shiftting dramatically.

The best example I can think of is from Jaws - and if you remember the movie, you should remember the shot I mean.

Cheers smile
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Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 1:19am

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Arktic wrote:

Ben -

The 'Zolly' shot is where you "Zoom in, and dolly out"; basically, you alter the zoom in one direction, and physically move the camera in another direction. This results in the object in the foreground remaining the roughly same, but the perspective in the background shiftting dramatically.

The best example I can think of is from Jaws - and if you remember the movie, you should remember the shot I mean.

Cheers smile
Arktic.
We call it a Hitchcock-shot. That's one of my favorite shots from Jaws.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 6:53am

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Too bad you didn't finish it. You had me interested there.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 10:30am

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try to work on soundeffects and score little more. you could incorporate them better in the suspense scenes.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 3:43pm

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Spanish Prisoner:

I will try to work on that, but I thought the sound effects went well most instances. Every sound besides the digger breathing and the two lines of dialogue were added in post. In my opinion, it actually sounded as if the shovel was piercing the ground, as opposed to sounding like it was just dubbed over. Maybe its because I'mlistening with a big subwoofer rather than standard speakers; but I thought the pounding noises when he picked him up to chokew and and the loud bang during the hitchcock shot worked. I guess I could incorporate them better, but this was really the first time I'd done anything like this, you know, as opposed to the usual running-around-with-guns or kid-alone-in-the-house premise; so I didn't really know where I was going with the score. Thanks for the feedback anyways, though.

ragnar:

We've got plenty of other stuff just as good ready and waiting, don't worry.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 6:23pm

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You know what? This is actually quite good. Although it kind of fell apart towards the end. The first 90% is really tight in terms of editing and styling. Good stuff.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 6:33pm

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Thanks, I'm really glad you liked it. Like we said, we kind of had to wrap it up because there were gunshots, so the editing at the end isn't quite as good.

EDIT: Why'd you use the word 'actually'? Are you trying to say you thought it was gonna be crap? You stinker, you! wink
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 6:40pm

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ben3308 wrote:

EDIT: Why'd you use the word 'actually'? Are you trying to say you thought it was gonna be crap? You stinker, you! wink
Well in light of some of your and atoms previous work, yes. Though don't be offended by that at all. I think this submission is top stuff and redefines your capability as a film maker from my perspective. I look forwards to whatever you produce next.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 6:43pm

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Thanks a lot. We actually have another film that's ready to go, my server jsut won't accept it for some reason. Oh well, I'll figure something out. smile
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 7:43pm

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The description on the movie is getting updated, so it's down for the moment.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 7:54pm

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now if this were put into some sort of context, it probably would have gotten a 4, and depending on the context, maybe a 5. I love the previews that you guys do, and can't wait to see a proper film from atomic productions.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 8:00pm

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This wasn't really a preview, though, so much as a "let's see if we can make something suspenseful" thing.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 8:17pm

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ben3308 wrote:

This wasn't really a preview, though, so much as a "let's see if we can make something suspenseful" thing.
So it's a test? Then it gets a 3 from me, like all tests.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 8:20pm

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well, let's just call it a preview in the sense that you will one day use your skills that you honed into this movie on a proper film. smile gnee
Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005, 11:59pm

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

This wasn't really a preview, though, so much as a "let's see if we can make something suspenseful" thing.
So it's a test? Then it gets a 3 from me, like all tests.
What? No wait, don't do that! It's a MOVIE. It's just not a feature film. I mean, there's actually some plot in the video.
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 6:10am

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Man I am sure am swell-looking in this. smile
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 7:19pm

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well...The heavy diffusion filtering you used kinda ruined it for me, as it was so heavy it looked out of focus. the homoerotic "what do you want?" "YOU" end line was pretty hilarious though.
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 7:58pm

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Sorry, I know the filtering was a bit much; as I said the elfglow was filtered twice, somewhat distorting the image. I think it still looks good, but you're right, it does blur it slightly. Keep also in mind that this is a web version, so the quality has definitely been brought down a peg or two. Thanks for the comments, though, and I'm glad you like the ending. smile
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HAHAHA "What do you want?" "You" haha is he gay or something
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 3:24am

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ssj john wrote:

HAHAHA "What do you want?" "You" haha is he gay or something
First off, no, my incredibly ignorant friend, I'm not "gay".

Secondly, it would be the person who 'wants' the character that would be most likely that way, not the person who asks.

Thirdly. Watch what you say. There's some homosexual people on this forum who might take offense to what you say.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 3:26am

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Seriously, man, that isn't cool.

Although I'm sure you didnt mean it in a bad way. Just a laugh or something.

Glad everybody likes it. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 3:40am

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This was cool, but obviously not much of a story. Not much to comment on, but nice editing, sound, and style. The compression is my only complaint and the weird ending. NICE logo. Did you guys make that?
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 4:49am

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First off, thanks for the comments. I'm glad you like the photography and the editing, and I'm especially glad you liked the sound. smile

To answer your question, yep, we did create the logo. Some nicely placed AlamDV plugins, with an old Windows Movie Maker-created title composited in; then digital grading followed suit. Glad you like logo, cuz we've been through alot in the past year and a half...

EDIT: Okay, I was gonna make a video of the, like, eleven video intros we've had in the past year, but they wouldn't render right....

EDIT2: I tohught the compression wasn't too bad, but you're right, it is a little fuzzier than it should be. This is because my server is buggy and will only accept certain files for reasons I can't explain, so I had Vegas render out a 512kpbs download quality video as opposed to a 3mbps download quality one. Sorry, nothing I can do, short of contacting my webmaster.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 5:55am

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atom wrote:

ssj john wrote:

HAHAHA "What do you want?" "You" haha is he gay or something
First off, no, my incredibly ignorant friend, I'm not "gay".

Secondly, it would be the person who 'wants' the character that would be most likely that way, not the person who asks.

Thirdly. Watch what you say. There's some homosexual people on this forum who might take offense to what you say.
First off of course your not gay. I was just stating that IMHO that was a kinda cheesy ending and cheesy line.
Secondly MY incredibly ignorant friend, I WAS talking about the person who wants the character. DUH...

Thirdly, I didn't say any negative about him being gay i just asked is He?


And fourth Not to offend you or anything but I really didn't find this movie to be suspenseful in any way what so ever. I mean randomness does not make things suspenseful. I mean comon a guy just appears on the side walk in the middle of nowhere then he wants to kill or tickle or do sometyhing to that kid who is digging in the middle of the night. Kinda weird... But thats MO. But good effort. Keep practicing.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 6:07am

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ssj john wrote:

And fourth Not to offend you or anything but I really didn't find this movie to be suspenseful in any way what so ever. I mean randomness does not make things suspenseful. I mean comon a guy just appears on the side walk in the middle of nowhere then he wants to kill or tickle or do sometyhing to that kid who is digging in the middle of the night. Kinda weird... But thats MO. But good effort. Keep practicing.
Just because my brother made you angry, doesn't mean you have to take it out on the movie. Come on now. I mainly posted themovie to show it's technical merit, which, in my opinion, if you count cinematography, editing, and sound design, is not half bad.

Next time you wanna slam the film to stick it to him, remember that there were others who worked on and spent time on it. I know what you said was probably the truth, and I know you said, "no offense" but that doesn't make it any less offensive to me. Next time, maybe make some constructive criticisms, rather than just plain ones.

Just think.
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Who said I was mad. What I said about your movie was My honest opinion. It had nothing to do with what he said. You think because he called me ignorant mad me angry LOL. Nahhhh I consider him more ignorant then me. But I didn't saay that I hated your movie. I was saying how you said you were trying to make is suspenseful and it wasnt that suspensful for me. Thats all. And yes the editing was good. And the cinematography was not half bad. Certainly better then lots of the other movies on fxhome. I'm sorry if a offended you, but some times you just gotta suck it in.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

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SSJ John, when you have something useful to contribute to this thread feel free to post it and make sure that you think about what you're posting, how it may be of use to the film maker and will it offend anyone? Constructive Criticism should never break the debate/points in question away from the subject of its comments.
HOWWWWW AM I OFFENDING AHNYONE All i am saying is, that it wasn't that suspensful to me... Maybe it was for other people. BUt not for me... And I suggested that maybe for him to make things more suspensful to make things a little less random. NEVER did i say his movie sucked. DID I DID I... Please If I did please show me. I even complemented that his editing and cinematography was good. I also said good effort. But it was NOT suspensful for me. Thats the only way they are gonna know if it was actually suspenseful if people say there honest opinion...and mine it wasnt suspenful I don't mean that in a negative way. Geezzzzz la weeez
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ssjonh, I completely see where you're coming from here, and I'm sorry the arguement has escalated to this point. Let's all jsut bring it back down now. smile

The only reason I contested your post towards atom, was because it truly was written with a hostile, derogatory tone, which effectively criticized the film without any real construction.

I'm glad you liked the editing and cinematography, and I'm sorry that it has come to the point where you have to defend your opinions; I know that I've cetainly been in this situation, and I'm definitely sure atom's been in this situation before, so,just to a say it again, I'm sorry.

Maybe next time we can all just agree to disagree. smile
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Although the argument's been solved, It could have been averted by a certain individual simply putting more thought into they word their criticism. In the future, please be more mindful of your wording in order to avoid unnecessary debating. Cheers.

-Hybrid.
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Advice taken.
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Very cool, guys!
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That was well made, deserves a 3, but I wonder if I should do like you atom and give it a 0??
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Klut wrote:

That was well made, deserves a 3, but I wonder if I should do like you atom and give it a 0??
Ha ha. Yeah he probably just scrwed up the vote or something. Pleasedont vote our movie a zero unless you think it deserves it.

Thanks, hope you liked it.
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I'll rate it when I'm in a better mood (better for the film) biggrin

And who are you?
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I'm 1/4 of Atomic productions. My name is Chase, as you can see, and I'm the "You" guy in this movie who appears in the beginning. I'm new, and I just bought FXLab.
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Cool, welcome. You sound nice.
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Klut wrote:

That was well made, deserves a 3, but I wonder if I should do like you atom and give it a 0??

ben3308 wrote:

Just because my brother made you angry, doesn't mean you have to take it out on the movie...Next time you wanna slam the film to stick it to him, remember that there were others who worked on and spent time on it...Just think.
Dunno if you were being serious or not, but I think it's usually better to let your opinions guide your vote, rather than your spite.

I'm not trying to be a jerk to you Klut, and I'm sorry if atom is, but don't just blow our whole group off because of your contempt towards one person.
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I'm no jerk. I'm just painfully honest. smile

Glad people are actually somewhat enjoying the flick. It wasnt really meant as anything, so its exciting seeing it blossom into something bigger than intended.
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wow... this is a shock! top 10 for a movie we spent about 3 hrs. on. it did turn out better than i hoped but i appreciate some positive replies from you fxhomers... nice to know that we're getting better. I just sent ben a movie that i filmed and edited starring atom (who by the way is an excelent actor....and gave the origional concept) and he's trying to get it up on the site. i don't know how much room there is for effects lab to be used because its a comedy and it doesn't require any special effects. but i'd like to see what u think of it. It'll be my first little debut on fxhome other than being the actor and editor(friendship). nice to have encouragement. its called "all by himself"
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Don't give too much away, chase, it's pending cinema submission!
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Nobody else is gonna watch this?
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Jeez, every movie you do doesn't need 10 pages of comments. I recently submitted a documentary that I worked on for almost a year, and it didn't even get past one page. Other people have movies too.
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evman101 wrote:

Jeez, every movie you do doesn't need 10 pages of comments. I recently submitted a documentary that I worked on for almost a year, and it didn't even get past one page. Other people have movies too.
Sorry that your film hasn't got that much attention, but I don't tihnk one thread bump will do much harm. There are over 25,000 members of FXHome, forgive me if I want more than 9 to view my film.
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ben3308 wrote:



Sorry that your film hasn't got that much attention, but I don't tihnk one thread bump will do much harm. There are over 25,000 members of FXHome, forgive me if I want more than 9 to view my film.
Your film which you did in 3 hours has gotten more comments than my year long project, and it just bugs me that out of 25,000 members, more have viewed this quick project, than something i've worked long and hard on. I dunno, it just bugs me when people get antsy about not getting "enough" comments on a quick project such as this.
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Well, ben3308 and atom, I liked this. If you recall, quite a while back I made a review on one of your movies (The Odyssey), and at the end of one of my posts I made a comment were I said...

Wizard wrote:

I think you are going to submit a movie that will get a four or five from me, just work at it
That day has come, here is your four guys. I don't think there is one thing I can out and out say I didn't like about this. Actually, I would have liked to see more substance, more done with that kind of feel and such. I do, however, realize that you finished this up rather quickly, so I understand not having more.

I liked the atmosphere of this video, and you really did get that "super human" look down pat. I like the camera angles, and I think your "super speed" effect was down well also. Maybe next time you could pick a location where you can rip up the ground a little bit lol, but again, that's fine. All in all, the quality of this film is a vast improvement from your others (in my opinion). This deserves the four, good job.

evman: I agree that your documentary deserved more attention. I just had the opportunity to watch it, and I was some what impressed, which is hard to do with a documentary. I think you had a professional opening sequence, and it was very factual (as it should be). You did a really good job getting those clips of war, and your pictures were well chosen. The pace wasn't too slow at all either.

I haven't seen many documentaries in the past, but if my teachers would have used something more like this back when I was in school I think I would have enjoyed those days in "Social Studies" a little more. This was rather quick and to the point, with straight facts, which I appreciate for this kind of documentary. You really pulled it off according to me. Not to take any attention off of "found", this is after all, my "found" review. Still thought you should know that your movie has gotten some attention evman. I will go post a similar review for your movie now.

Great job ben3308 and atom.
Wizard.
Posted: Fri, 8th Jul 2005, 7:56pm

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ben3308

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Thanks for your comments, Wizard, they're really inspiring, and thanks again for your comments on the Odyssey.
Posted: Fri, 8th Jul 2005, 11:36pm

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Atom

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Yeah, thanks Wizard. Evman, I watched your doc. and thought it was quite good.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jun 2006, 8:03pm

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MC Turtl3n3ck

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hey ben and andrew, i just watched this again(i watched it a hella long time ago) and my god, thats really tight. Its my number 1 movie.
Posted: Tue, 11th Jul 2006, 4:32am

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sniperGasMask

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This is okay, but the lighting, in my opinion, was way too bright on the people and way too dark on the background.
Posted: Tue, 11th Jul 2006, 7:12am

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ben3308

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Yeah, we've learned to light alot better since then. That was more than a year ago. We're better now.

Though I think 'Found' came out pretty good for it being our first experiment with lighting and a trombone shot.