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how do I create a 'Force push'?

Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 12:52pm

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alexanderj

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i want to be able to blur in a perticular area so it looks like force push
how do i do that ?
i have adobe premiere ,windows movie maker, effects lab , virtual dub


that would be great help!
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 1:07pm

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it would be masks and blur filters i guess. If you have chromanator check out this tutorial on faking depth of field. The technique can probably be adapted to what you need.

http://fxhome.com/support/tutorials/view.php?i=8

of course i'm not a star wars nut so i might not have understood exactly what effect you mean.
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 1:20pm

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Looks like I will cover this one. I am not that familiar with adobe premiere, but I would assume you could just mask the areas you want to blur and then apply a gaussian blur to the desired level (maybe about 7.0, not sure to be honest).

For EffectsLab Dv:
I have played around with this, and I actually am un-sure how you would get the effect you are looking for. I thought it would be possible to use a mask to target the one area you want to apply your effect, but this is not the case. You could just select your movie, then click "Grade", and then change your gaussion blur. This would affect the hole clip, but if you add it so that it only happens very quickly, you could have a "force being used" effect.

Edit: Oh, thanks jotoki. See alexanderj, we are both trying.

Sorry I couldn't help more with this, I will look into it.
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Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 1:34pm

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thanx again wizard! your great help!
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 1:41pm

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jotoki to, can't forget that he tried to. You are very welcome, and I am still looking into this for you.

I have found a way to blur one specific spot in Effectslab Dv, but it is very involved and complicated, there are also some kinks to be worked out. So right now I don't think I should go through it because it may not work out for you.

If you have any other problems feel free to ask me, I am always willing to give it a look.

Let’s hope I get this worked out.
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Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 1:53pm

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hey thanks for the plug wizard. Dont think you can easily mask an area in premiere, thats more an aftereffects thing or indeed effectslab or chromanator. Course i could be wrong but i'm a member of a tutorial site www.vtc.com. They have extensive tutorials an lots n lots of stuff from multimedia to programing to 3d etc, cost $250 to join though. Anyway their premiere section doesn't mention masking at all apart from keying in various forms.
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 1:56pm

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Ok i'm correcting myself here. go check this out. dunno what version of premiere you have but this free tutorial might be just what you need

http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial/tutdes_ppro_blurface.htm
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 2:21pm

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jotoki wrote:

hey thanks for the plug wizard. Dont think you can easily mask an area in premiere, thats more an aftereffects thing or indeed effectslab or chromanator.
Yeah, I am not that familliar with the program, I was just assuming. Most of my experience is with Adobe Image Ready 7.0. That seems very useful, I think alexanderj will really appreciate that.

I did finally figure out the way this could be done in EffectsLab Dv, but as I said, it is very complicated. You saved me a lot of time, now I don't have to write that detailed and confusing post lol.

Okay alexanderj, case closed.
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Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 2:36pm

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well i'd still be interestde to know what you did although i do have chrominator premiere and AE as well as EL but it would still be interesting to know how you did it
Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005, 4:16pm

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Please don't make me lol. I will make a some what brief attempt to explain. The reason using a mask imposed on the movie clip doesn't work is that it edits (blacks) out the surrounding clip.

My solution was to have two clips filmed from the exact same vantage point. The first clip you film should have the people in it. The second clip you film is the same shot with no people. You bring in your clip, then bring the other clip, that was filmed in the same location (same zoom and all), in as stock footage (it must be quick time to work as stock footage).

The clip with your actors should be the stock footage. Select your first clip (the one you started with), mask it (then invert the mask), add your blur, and then copy your mask. Paste your mask on the stock footage clip, then invert your mask to return it to normal (it should now not be inverted). If this works you should have your blur stand out, but your actors and the remaining clip (that was not blurred) be 100 percent visible.

Note: If you plan on having the blur placed on your actor, then your second clip (or the clip you placed in EffectsLab Dv first) needs to have the same actions to avoid any chance of parts of your clips not lining up. If you try you will see why. There shouldn't be any problem if you have no actors in your second clip (or your back ground clip). Just make sure that your mask avoids where the actors are, for example: make sure there is no hand sticking into here you want to your blur to be. This would cause many problems.

As I said, this is very complicated, and most likely a last resort to adding blur with EffectsLab Dv in this manner (Such as not having a program suited to this task...Adobe photo shop or Image Ready). If this does not work, tinker with it a bit. The idea is sound, but the instruction may have errors.

I hadn't planned on writing a tutorial for this method, so a lot of this may not be specific enough, or easy to understand. If you are confused by this I could quite possibly work on a longer, more in depth tutorial, or just answer any specific questions you may have. Going off the top of my head I believe I covered the basics, and this should all work out for you if you are willing to give it a shot.

By the way, this is also a similar method I have been using for cloning. It actually works very well, and is much easier then my previous method of doing this in Adobe Image Ready 7.0. Good luck decoding all of this lol.

Well, you wanted to know lol, have fun.
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Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 6:21am

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alexanderj

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you guys are great help but it seems my question was wrong,sorry!

i guess i was trying to say
when something is really hot ,and the hot air rises if you look through it its kind of moving and squigling
THATS the effect i would like !
sorry guys my fault!
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 6:50am

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Lol, well isn't that dandy. Don't worry, not a problem....at least we tried lol. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help still. I will try to look into this "new" matter for you further a little later.

Off I go lol.
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Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 7:02am

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see ya
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 7:02am

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thanx see ya
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 11:47am

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It may help me to decide what would be best for this effect if I new what angle you were planning on showing it at. I don't have any ideas at the moment, but knowing this could get a couple going.

I am also working on a few other projects at this time for a few of my buddies, so it may take me a bit. I will get to working on this as soon as I can.

alexanderj wrote:

thanx see ya
You are welcome.

So, let me know when you can.
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Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 12:30pm

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Sounds like you're trying to recreate heat haze buddy. the idea probably still work but a different effects filter is needed thats all

what you are really trying to do is distort the image slightly rather than blur it as such. Heat haze is light getting distorted by the less dense air around something hot or at least thats how i understand it. try the methods as suggested just use a different effects filter in whatever program u choose
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 12:41pm

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Yes, that is exactly what I got from it as well. I was thinking about doing the same thing for what he is going for that you just said, but I was also looking at some other possibilities, and quite possibly different programs for this kind of task.

Anyway, I am still thinking, but you could try what jotoki just said, I am sure you could get an okay result. By the way jotoki, did my idea for EffectsLab all make sense to you? Just wondering.

Just play around with it.
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Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 1:29pm

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Okay, I have a method of doing something to the effect that you were going for. Now the method I used would not retain the sound, and was done in Adobe Image Ready 7.0.

I am not familiar with Adobe Premiere, so maybe you can correct me on this one if I am wrong jotoki. If Adobe Premiere has filters such as "Glass distort" or "Ocean Ripple", then you could mask you clip much the same way I did, and just apply the filter. I am un-sure if you would have to do it one frame at a time.

"Glass distort" would look like this:

This caption is taken from one of your other videos from your web site to demonstrate what it would look like on your movie.

"Ocean Ripple" would look like this (applied differently):



Now as long as you can do this in Premiere you should now have a viable way to create the "heat haze" effect you are going for.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 9:06am

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thats exactly what i am looking for you guys ill check on adobe premiere now

thanx you guys!
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 11:57pm

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alexanderj wrote:

thats exactly what i am looking for you guys ill check on adobe premiere now

thanx you guys!
You are welcome. Just let us know how it goes, I am interested in knowing if Premiere is capable of doing that effect.

Hope it all works out.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 8:03am

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I'm pretty sure premier has an effect of this type. provided it's correctly masked the effect should be possible i think. Nice one wizard. Sadly I dont have that much spare time to go trying things out (Job, baby daughter etc lol). Yeah your explanation of the effectslab thing was fine buddy. one to keep handy for the future

oh and you're welcome buddy
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 9:46am

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jotoki wrote:

I'm pretty sure premier has an effect of this type. provided it's correctly masked the effect should be possible I think. Nice one wizard. Sadly I dont have that much spare time to go trying things out (Job, baby daughter etc lol).


I forgot that I had Premiere on my computer. I believe it is only a trial version, and I have not had/spent the time getting to know its features. I remember seeing something like that, I think, so I was hoping it all worked out. Don't worry about not spending too much time on this one. Your new born (baby, may not be that new) is more important lol. I have some little extra time because I finally got two whole days off of work. So I can spare some time.

jotoki wrote:

Yeah your explanation of the effectslab thing was fine buddy. one to keep handy for the future
It also works well for cloning. Just adapt the method a tad and it works pretty well.

That is about it for now.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 9:58am

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not so new no, She's 1 year old next week (14th). Crwaling around wrecking the place most of the time lol

two whole days off...wow wink
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 11:08am

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jotoki wrote:

two whole days off...wow
Well for me and how I normally work, that is a lot lol. Plus, with my boss you don't expect one full day lol.

jotoki wrote:

Crwaling around wrecking the place most of the time lol
I have a friend with a three year old. Apparently when they start crawling and moving about is the worst and most exciting time. You can't take your eye off of them without them disappearing, and for the beginning of it, you don't want to pry your eyes away. Still, a belated congratulations.

To father hood...and two day breaks lol.
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Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 1:49pm

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yeah tell me about it, shes into everything lol , and now shes got her first childhood disease too ...chicken pox lol...but anyway none of this is helping our friend here create his force push
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 5:44pm

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jotoki wrote:

yeah tell me about it, shes into everything lol , and now shes got her first childhood disease too ...chicken pox...
That is what I hear from my friend. At the moment I am trying to help alexanderj behind the scenes, so I thought I had some time and space to ask you a personal question lol. Once in a while it can't hurt lol.

Okay, back to professionalism lol.
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Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005, 7:52am

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no feel free to ask away, just didn't want to incur the wrath of alexander or even worse the moderators for going off topic wink
Posted: Thu, 7th Jul 2005, 5:50am

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its ok guys dont worry you can talk about what the hell you want ,i dont mind
Posted: Thu, 7th Jul 2005, 7:04pm

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I am fairly certain that jotoki was referring to the moderators, and that posts are supposed to remain topic related. Although we can speak freely, it is better to stay considerate of the forum rules and the moderator’s wishes. No need to make it harder on them, they have it hard enough some times lol. It's all basically just trying to keep the forums neat and tidy.

On a more related note, how did your search for the "Ocean Ripple" filter in Adobe Premiere go? Any luck? I am not sure if you are aware of this, but your movie is now in the cinema alexanderj.

Off to go watch it.
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