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Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 2:58pm

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Hey,

Anyone watching Live8?

Its free on AOL! Just visit AOLmusic.com or your local domain.


This is freaking awesome.

You can sign your name to the list too that will supposedly help convince G8 to make poverty a high priority.

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Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 3:44pm

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I've been watching the London show for the most part. Had to switch over to Paris because Muse are playing!
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 9:48pm

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Pink. Floyd. Soon!

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Update:

Floyd frickin ruled.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 11:03pm

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I can't believe I missed them.

I hate myself.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 11:36pm

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WTF was the audience's problem?

Velvet Revolver are an incredible band and the crowd were lifeless.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005, 11:41pm

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They were lifeless a lot. I was surprised.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 3:32am

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hey guys, i was at live 8 in barrie ontario canada today! it was AMAZING! my legs are killing me tho..im watching all the other concerts on tv right now..i wish i lived in london..
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 9:19am

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Pink Floyd rocked, fantastic concert. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 9:57am

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Rawree wrote:

I've been watching the London show for the most part. Had to switch over to Paris because Muse are playing!
MUSE !!! HELL YEAH !

I didn't knew they where on Live8 sad
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 10:42am

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is there some kind of a band list on the net can look at ?
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 11:37am

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rrfproductions wrote:

Rawree wrote:

I've been watching the London show for the most part. Had to switch over to Paris because Muse are playing!
MUSE !!! HELL YEAH !

I didn't knew they where on Live8 sad
Their set was a little disappointing really, something about it just didn't sound that good (maybe it was just because I was watching it on the web). They did Hysteria, Bliss, Time is Running Out and Plug in Baby if you're interested. Something worth looking for (and better than their Live 8 set) is when they headlined at Glastonbury last year, really really cool stuff.

I'm a bit of a Muse obsessee.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 11:45am

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pzgamer825 wrote:

They were lifeless a lot. I was surprised.
POP acustomed morons is the word you're looking for. The Brits (and yes I am a Brit myself) have such an awful taste in music tbh. Slash on the guitar is greater than some unskilled rap twt dancing around like an idiot.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 3:47pm

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I guess the aim of the festival failed.

Everyone is talking about the bands.

What about the impoverished countries? The G8 summit?

Do you guys think this concert will actually have an impact on the summit, and get the G8 to allieviate the debts, and increase foriegn countries?

I myself am very skeptical- it's a great cause and a good idea, but western society just isn't willing to sacrifice it's lifestyles in order to help the rest of the world. The "clubbers" don't want to do anything but dance on a Friday night and drink Mike's hard... or wait, is that still "in" or did Beyonce release a line of alcoholic drinks yet?

The problem with Live8 is that no one is talking about the cause anymore- just about the bands. But that's how it was structured- a popularity contest with a "special meaning" tacked on the end.

But what I urge the interested to do, is research and investigate on your own time. Try and make 10 minutes of each day dedicated to finding out about developing countries, international politics, and how you can help them out.

My ten minutes today was to tell you guys. We need to research this topic ourselves and stay active/involved if we want to make a difference. That was the point of the concert... lost in all the commercials and celebrities plugging thier new albums.

EDIT: And don't forget to sing the petition at www.live8live.com and give them more votes. Even if it doesn't make a difference, it's a step.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 4:19pm

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EDIT: And don't forget to sing the petition at www.live8live.com and give them more votes. Even if it doesn't make a difference, it's a step.
I think you've contradicted yourself there - though it's true that a lot of people are talking about the bands and stuff, most the people I know who watched it have also signed that petition: and *thats* the point. I think it might have been one of the guys from velvet revolver who summed up best "there are millions watching today, and all we need to do is convince 8 people to open their hearts and change the world" - it's not about giving up money, or about changing our lifestyles, it's about pressuring the government, the people who can *really* do something.

And I can't imagine any better way to raise awareness. If I were one of the G8 leaders, I know it would have made me sit up and take notice.

Cheers,
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Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 4:24pm

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Basically, if so many people watched it the G8 men have to sit & take note. They may have watched it because of the music but the G8 have to seriously consider that all the watchers were watching it because of what it represented. And if this is the case we have an overwhelming percentage of the world's population willing G8 to take greater steps to prevent poverty. If the G8 leaders are democratic, they MUST take note.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 5:03pm

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I've just had this whole argument in another forum. Some people were so selfish they seemed to think that a "lets all do sod all" philosophy would find the solution to all the problems in Africa.

The whole point is that change IS possible. If the G8 men did take notice, and if they decide to act, a lot can be accomplished. To be honest, criticising or belittling the concert is selfish and immature IMO.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 10:25pm

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TommyB wrote:

I've just had this whole argument in another forum. Some people were so selfish they seemed to think that a "lets all do sod all" philosophy would find the solution to all the problems in Africa.

The whole point is that change IS possible. If the G8 men did take notice, and if they decide to act, a lot can be accomplished. To be honest, criticising or belittling the concert is selfish and immature IMO.
Selfish and immature? I would say that NOT researching and considering the negative impacts would be selfish and immature. Did you know that some of the wristbands were produced in third world countries, exploiting child labour and the very morals the concert stands against? Did you know that the first LiveAid relieved a significant amount of debt, but privitization clauses were included which in turn put the countries into bigger debt over the years? How about Live8 turning away charities from having food drives at the Barrie concert?

Sign the petition. It COULD work. But the only way to solve the problem is to stop buying diamonds, SUV's and other products produced in these countries at the exploitation of thier inhabitants. The problem isn't the debt- it's the governments and countries which corrupt these nations.

As such, I will provide some articles:

Aritcle 1- Toronto Star

Article 2- Canadian press -
http://www.recorder.ca/cp/Entertainment/050630/e063057A.html

Article 3- BBC News-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4637801.stm

Article 4- Adage.com-
http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=45439

Article 5- Counterbias.com-
http://www.counterbias.com/330.html

Article 6- Mmegi-
http://www.mmegi.bw/2005/June/Friday24/5352155661717.html

Article 7- IPS-
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=29325

Article 8- Counter Punch (LONG AND INFORMATIVE)-
http://www.counterpunch.org/bond06172005.html

Article 9- Libcom- (highlights the wristband production)
http://www.libcom.org/newswire/print.php?story=05/07/03/7158142

And finally,
Aritcle 10- Spiked-politics- (good article and links to others)
http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/0000000CAC38.htm

See, the point I must raise is this: "Making poverty history" is going to take a lot more than awareness- it's going to take action. Some of that action must come in the form of sacrifice of how we live our daily lives in our 1st world nations. Would you be willing to pay more tax in trade for better foriegn aid? Less health care? Less school?

Problem is, people arn't willing to go the extreme distance to help these countries. It's a fantastic step and has brought awareness to the public on a large scale, but in the end, the G8 will be the true test.

Sure, they'll eliminate a portion of the "unpayable debt". But what then? Will people cheer for the courageous and charitable governments and then go out and buy Diamonds, SUV's and other products that are the result of exploited African/Asian/Chinese labour.

I'm not saying I believe this concert is a bad idea. I think it's a very good idea, and one that will hopefully succeed. But the problem isn't with the pop stars, politicians and supporting companies... it's with society. We refuse to acknowledge the strife of other countries as we take advantage of the cheap merchandise they produce every day. Thank god for Live8 because it brings awareness, but now it's up to the individual to go out and research the topic themselves- and find out how they can continue helping the cause.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 11:12pm

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See, the point I must raise is this: "Making poverty history" is going to take a lot more than awareness- it's going to take action. Some of that action must come in the form of sacrifice of how we live our daily lives in our 1st world nations. Would you be willing to pay more tax in trade for better foriegn aid? Less health care? Less school?
I'd quite like to see the G8 governments spend less money on so called 'defence', and give it to those who really need it, yes.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 11:34pm

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First off, watching live bands on AOL is retarded.

Secondly, Velvet Revolver is reconstituted pop commercial rock that everyone complains about.

Thirdly, and most importantly;

This has to be one of the most ridiculous ways to go about eliminating poverty that I've ever heard of. It's really all just one big publicity stunt that everyone can tune into and then feel good about themselves because they are now 'aware' of poverty.

I've been to some of the poorest countries of the world. As backwards as it sounds, money has nothing to do with poverty (at least in the case of the type of poverty this G8 summit is supposed to target). Stable economies and effective governments do not exist because of a constant input of money. You should all know that no matter how much money you give to The People's Republic of Congo, the situation is going to remain unchanged.

The problem does not lie with money, it lies with people. it lies with understanding human interaction, governance, proper economic policy, and so on. Your biggest obstacle in improving a country will be overcoming the very people trying to help it.

Improvement for the masses will only come out of pain, death, work, sweat, blood, motivation, education, and time. We all have heard that money equals time, but in this case there is no substitute. Even if a country like Mali had unlimited funds and pure benevolent benefactors running the country, it would take many decades to bring the country to an acceptable standard where you could consider it a success.

If you are going to reform a country with ethnic cleansing and constant warring tribes, you will not be able to do it without killing some people. This stuff doesn't feel good to ponder. Many people would rather listen to rock bands, sign petitions, write checks, and increase awareness. These are things to do in order to fix problems in a first world nation run with an effective government. How that is going to resolve the fact that in the Cote d'Ivoire there are about 400 languages, making commerce between villages and tribes very difficult is beyond me. Teach them all French, which is the national language, you might suggest? Well, alright. See if you can get teachers to the villages out in the jungle with limited to no road access, high disease rates, no electricity, and high crime. Then you can deal with the fact that the people might see that as a threat to their culture and heritage, and repel your offers of help.


So a handful of world leaders at a summit will fix this? It's a joke. The very best change, the kind that truly helps a country and fixes problems will happen from internal forces, not external ones.



...but western society just isn't willing to sacrifice it's lifestyles in order to help the rest of the world.
And changing your lifestyle will make a difference of jack. Not because your lifestyle is perpetuating a problem, but because the actual source of these problems have nothing whatsoever to do with your lifestyle.



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Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005, 11:36pm

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Speaking of concerts.... Have any of you ever been to a Gorillaz concert? I know almost everything is made of special effects, but are there any specifics? I'd love to go to 1. I know this is off topic, but I didn't want to make a new thread.
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 7:22am

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No, but it's on of my dreams.

It must be insane to be at such concert !
On the DVD 'Celebrity Take Down', is nice footage of a concert...


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BTW: The Gorillaz is a meaning of life...
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 7:48am

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Matty,

I appreciate some of the points you are making, but if you search hard enough, you can find 'negative' points in everything. Overall, I think the positive effects outweighed the negative ones, but I entirely disagree with those deeming the concerts as a “waste of time.” Even if you disagree with me, I hope you still realise that men like Bob Geldof are making an effort. Good effort or not, ultimately if no effort was made at all for charitable purposes, the selfish world we live in would be even more self cantered.
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 1:16pm

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I wholeheartedly agree with just about everything Sidewinder said.

The problem is with the people who get the money. The corrupt government leaders in these places get the money and then live incredibly lavish lives, leaving the rest of the population to, unfortunately quite literally, live like crap.

Nobody monitors where the money goes, so we have no conclusive proof of this, which is why nothing has been done.

However, I disagree with the fact the the concert did no good. For starters it provided me with some damn good tunes all day (for free as well), and think about it; the eight most powerful people in the world gathered in one room. They have huge influence. Saying they don't is flat out stupid. They have the power to completely reverse these governments and instate new leaders, without hardly lifting a finger.

Hopefully Live8 did raise some awareness, that would be great.

All we need now is for George Bush to lose his stubborness. Damn fool. (and believe it or not, I am a big supporter of Bush)

Chris
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Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 1:56pm

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Secondly, Velvet Revolver is reconstituted pop commercial rock that everyone complains about.
VR are one of the greatest rock and roll bands out there at the moment. When Geldof contacted Slash (who is an extremely talented musician) he said, "I just need a proper rock and roll band." VR are the only band I've ever seen live who have blown me away completely, perhaps followed by System Of A Down. The point is, they shouldn't have been playing in London. The lifeless crowd didn't know what ran them over.

Edit: BTW, as a fan of In Flames, I would have thought your heavier music taste would have respected the likes of VR tbh.
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Don't get me wrong guys- I love the idea of this concert, even though I'm skeptical about the results. Good points about the governments of these countries. There is a lot you can do though, in the meantime, that just requires not spending money on certain products.
The problem with the whole trade regulations is that if you can buy.. let's say... frozen chicken... if you can buy frozen chickens in Nigeria that have been imported from Amsterdam and are cheaper than the local ones, the local trade suffers. That's something I hope they remedy.
The problem with the debt is that if they allieviate that, it helps the governments of these countries, but not the people (unless the governments use the extra cash to help the people which happens less often than the ideal).

Less defense, more foriegn aid!! Bingo! Why would we need defense if there were no enemies?
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 4:27pm

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Relieving debts, spending money (even if it's monitored), and revising your buying policies might help the symptoms of the disease, but they won't cure it.

And until the disease is cured, you will never stop spending money on the symptoms.

How's that for an analogy?
Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005, 6:55pm

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Live 8 didn't make me aware of poverty I already knew about it. They dont need to have a huge concert to make people aware they can just have a little documentary and show it on mtv. I don't agree with how they did this at all.
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 6:01am

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how can u disagree with great music, all day, for free
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 6:23am

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Maybe because it seems that it's a skin-deep exploitation of other people's misery to improve the PR of the bands that are participating?
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 7:20am

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most of the bands don't need recognition because they've already been recognized, ie. madonna, elton john, paul mcCartney, pink floyd, snoop dog, jay-z etc...but i guess ur intitled to ur opinion, even tho IMO it doesn't seem like a skin-deep exploitation, at least they were trying to do something, even if u think its pointless, atleast they tried
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 8:22am

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Hey no_hole, go back to Africa!

Seriously. They're making themselves look good, getting designer handbags filled with loot, belittling the already belittled countries, and speaking in clichè. Some of the bands were legitimate. Freaking Paul McCartney moaned about not being able to open AND close the show and they had to cater to him by slapping a duet with Bono at the start... what a prick. Paul McCartney is one of the biggest hacks... Loved the Beatles, but he's such hypocrite it makes me sick. Go back to your mansion and eat your veggies McCrapney.

Credit to all of them for TRYING, but really.. should we ALL be trying? Not just celebrities who "so graciously donated thier time and support"?

Why can't we ALL donate time and support on a consistent and regular basis?

THAT'S the point. The music is just to lure the brain-dead pop-junkies that plague western societies. The music wasn't free- it was at the cost of the 30,000 or so children who died during the concert because of starvation. Hopefully the awareness generated will get soem more people to start making wiser consumer choices, researching charities, and yes, signing petitions to get the governments moving on these issues... versus debating whether or not they should wipe thier bum-bums with 4-ply or silk.

Sorry if this comes across harsh. I get passionate when it's 4AM and I can't afford to get anything to eat. G8's happening soon. Hopefully someone will spare me the political crass and start a thread. It's important to deal with these issues.
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A break from the politics - have a look at these Ricky Gervais clips from the British Live 8 TV screening:

http://www.rickygervais.com/video2_1.php
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 10:26am

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I've had a question, in Philedelphia (or how do you spell that) was a artist who I really liked. It was a black man, and behind them there where a lot of woman who played the violin.

I think it was P. Diddy but I'm not sure.

Does anyone know it ?
(and it would be very nice if you knew the title of the songs that he played)
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Well the concerts did cause a lot of hype... even if it was mostly about the music. But it also caused people to think about the poverty stricken people in Africa... but that doesn't mean anyone will do anything about it.

I think that the whole "raising awareness" part of the concert is bogus. If they just collected a couple of bucks from each person at the concert, they could raise money AND awareness. I'm sure that we could find something useful to do with that money.
Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 6:13pm

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For the people who were at live8 (doesnt matter where), got a decent amount of awarness and I can tell you that for a fact. While you were at the concert sure you were obviously reminded of how good the music was, but they also did an amazing job with the whole poverty issue. Ofcourse the G8 leaders arent going to sit there and ignore the hundreds of millions of people who watched this event and expect the people to forget about poverty in third world countries..just being at the concert made you feel like you were doing something about it, and we were.

and for those of you who think that money is the answer, it isnt. the whole concert was about getting names for one of the largest petitions in the world so that the leaders will realise that it is a very big issue that needs to be delt with. It isnt an issue that just needs to have money tossed at it and hope for everything will be ok. People have been giving money to the poor all around the world for so long and it hasnt gotten any better. It was time that the whole world is aware and hopefully we can finally do something. During the whole concert volunteers where everywhere getting you to sign your name on postcards that would be later sent to PAul Martin (canadian prime minister) as a petition. the more names the better ofcourse. they did that in every live 8. Everyone who was at a live8 is now wearing a livestrong type of bracelet that says "makepoveryhistory.ca". And Im sure that people at other live 8 concerts got something similar.

I hope that alot of you watched and understood what they are trying to do and if you can please sign up at live8live.com and just sign up.
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Ofcourse the G8 leaders arent going to sit there and ignore the hundreds of millions of people who watched this event...
Yes they will.

...and expect the people to forget about poverty in third world countries.
Because that was their goal?


just being at the concert made you feel like you were doing something about it, and we were.
No you weren't

People have been giving money to the poor all around the world for so long and it hasnt gotten any better.
And...what? 'Being aware' and signing petitions is going to help this problem at all. Get serious. No one here is getting their hands dirty, and no one wants to.

You got to enjoy a concert with the benefit of a warm feeling inside because you signed your name to a petition. Ugh.

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Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005, 11:38pm

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http://www.amnesty.ca/

Take action against sale of arms: http://www.amnesty.ca/take_action/actControlArms_230605.php
Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005, 12:18pm

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rrfproductions it was kanye west and he performed "diamonds" "all falls down" and "jesus walks"

Madmanmatty i'm not from africa that made no sense, an i don't really know anything about paul mcCartney, but i guess he's a prick if u say so


i think the concert was a superb idea an i hope they do it again cuz i love music, and tell me how by NOT doing the concert and doing nothing would have helped poverty
Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005, 4:55pm

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no_hole wrote:


Madmanmatty i'm not from africa that made no sense, an i don't really know anything about paul mcCartney, but i guess he's a prick if u say so
Go back to Africa is a obscure Canadian joke.. perhaps not as well known as I thought... lol

Don't take my word on McCartney, do a google search for news articles, because that's my point- people need to be more aware.

Just go out there, find out what you can do to help, and think about it everyday.
Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005, 11:36pm

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Go back to Africa is a obscure Canadian joke.. perhaps not as well known as I thought... lol
haha yeah, but then i don't really get out much...
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Go back to Africa is a obscure Canadian joke..
Must quote my own stupidity. I just saw it in a few Canadian made indie-comedy films... one of which was about a "gentle nazi" trying to fit into society. A car rolls by as he monologues about flowers, and the passenger leans out the window and throws a bottle at him, shouting "Hey Nazi! Go back to Africa!!!" Funniest shit I've ever seen. In any case, after that I saw the term popping up in a few obscure places, and it's becoming quite the craze. Unfortunatley, the "nazi" video has been lost on the wide expanse that is the web, but the people responsible are a comedy troupe (one member of which I attended college with) and here is their website: http://www.myfirstcrush.com/videos.html

As for Africa, please take a moment out of your day to visit Amnesty International and just READ some articles.

thanks
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It's not all about the music, but here's a link to download every performance of Live 8 all around the world

http://www.sonician.com/live8/list.html
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please take a moment out of your day to visit Amnesty International and just READ some articles.
May I add that Amnesty International has forsaken their ideals and become more of a political organization pursuing an agenda, rather than a charitable organization trying to actually help those in need.

There are much better charities to work with.
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I think to get anything done it needed to be bigger in america since thats whose not really pulling their weight and standing apart from the rest of the world on this and the environmental issues.

Unfortunatly Bush has a policy that if its not gonna make money for American businesses in the short term then its not good for America, which is a shame since everyone would benefit from a peaceful and prosperous africa and everyone is gonna be harmed by global warming and running out of oil.
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Am I allowed to point out the stupidity of your statements, or are we getting into banned topic territory?

I mean, for example, how does this even make sense?


Unfortunatly Bush has a policy that if its not gonna make money for American businesses in the short term then its not good for America, which is a shame since everyone would benefit from a peaceful and prosperous africa.
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I'm downloading almost the entire Live8 concert... any word on the legality of downloading a free concert?
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If it's illegal, AOL should take it offline shouldn't they? It's them who are hosting the files. Don't worry about it.

Sidewinder, picking holes in people's grammar is a cowardly way of defence, instead why not contribute properly by stating your disagreements. I'd be interested in what you have to say, since even George Bush is conceding on the issues of global warming.

My own view is one supported by many scientists and governments, that global warming is occurring, is increased by man's activities and should be tackled.

I do see the US position and sympathise with it to some extent. Cutting emissions as required by Kyoto is something I'd love to see but for America, it'll be difficult to do it suddenly; as Bush said in an interview the other day, it would cripple the US economically. It's not something that he can do, it's obvious. But nevertheless, something has to be done so in my view America, China and India must at least start a plan that will allow the world to cut emissions gradually by a certain date, and allow America to shift from its current reliance on fossil fuels to other sources of energy. Making sure this is instigated in a realistic timeframe that's not too late would be enough for me to get off my high horse.

My criticisms of Bush on this issue is that he spent ages denying it was a significant issue when this could have been time spent coming up with solutions.
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pzgamer825 wrote:

I'm downloading almost the entire Live8 concert... any word on the legality of downloading a free concert?
Whoeowoe, where ?
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On previous page:

Mellifluous wrote:

It's not all about the music, but here's a link to download every performance of Live 8 all around the world

http://www.sonician.com/live8/list.html
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Sidewinder, picking holes in people's grammar is a cowardly way of defence.
You're a bit quick to jump the gun. I wasn't picking any holes in his grammar. Look at this statement again:

"Unfortunatly Bush has a policy that if its not gonna make money for American businesses in the short term then its not good for America, which is a shame since everyone would benefit from a peaceful and prosperous africa."

He is drawing this conclusion-as I see it:

"If Bush went for a policy that didn't benefit American businesses, we would have a peaceful and prosperous Africa, and America would benefit in the long run!"

And from this I take that:

1. Bush has it in his power to make Africa peaceful and prosperous,

2. Bush currently promotes a policy that pro-business,

and

3. Anti business policy is good for America in the long term.

...And all of these conclusions are wrong.

I can move on to the rest of his post, but I get the feeling that it is not okay with the powers that be to pull this topic into a debate on oil or emission restrictions, neither of which really have anything to do with foreign aid or Live8, and were initially brought up more to bash American governmentt rather than anything else. I do think the statement above is relevant, though.


The coward has spoken. rolleyes
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What I understood from Kid's post is that he is saying that Bush places short term profit over long term greater world prosperity and stability.

Any government must be pro-business, obviously, there's no argument about that, for the benefit of our economy, but do we focus on this entirely without looking to the future?

If Africa continues to be poor, then there's no knowing how it can affect us via war and who knows what else. But if it pulls itself out of povery with our help then it will contribute to our economy and provide another market to interact with. Having the largest population in the world, Africa could potentially be the biggest buyer of product.

Sorry, don't mean to bash, wasn't meaning to do that at all.
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Yep Mel gets what I was saying.
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aw yo, live 8 was sweet, i live in the philly area

i got on AOL and watched all of the london, cuz only rap people played in my area.

pink floyd reunion jam had to be the best.

yeah, dude, mccartney was really good too

haha madonna stunk
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I've ripped all of Velvet Revolver's tracks from the Live 8 concert. The quality is incredible, as they are sourced from the origional BBC broadcast. I've also added some album artwork for iTunes biggrin

If anyone wants a copy, feel free to email me.

(I've also got Pink Floyd's stuff, but the quality isn't too great as these files were recorded from a terrestrial signal)