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Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince (SPOILERS INSIDE!!!)

Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 5:30am

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I just came back from getting my book. I cannot wait to start reading. (I have to wait for a friend at camp (Cough*Boyocs*Cough) because we are seeing who can read first) Also, we have pre-ordered #7..... and...... WE ARE #1 IN LINE! I am so hyped up. I can't wait till Boyocs gets back so I can start. Any others stories/book discussion?

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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 5:35am

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You suck. I mean it. You really suck. My number was 236. So I left. Didn't get the book. And you still suck.

Man, I want that book.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 5:38am

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ben3308 wrote:

You suck. I mean it. You really suck. My number was 236. So I left. Didn't get the book. And you still suck.

Man, I want that book.
We pre-ordered in Febuary biggrin. We were #45. Now, we pre-ordered YEARS in advance. It really pays off.
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I just got back, and I was 108 in line. When I got out I started hitting myself really hard with it, and I got a nut shot in there, and I'm currently regaining my stength
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 6:50am

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Im not sure why harry potter is SO appealing...Perhaps someone can fill me in on Specifically why people get obssesive about it?
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 6:59am

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Because the books are well-written and compelling, with several story arcs and twists, and the fact that they appeal to a very HUGE audience.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 7:24am

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harry potter just works for me, and lots of other people.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 7:41am

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I thought the books were getting gradually worse. But maybe thats just me. The first couple were really good, but they just seemed to become more and more dragged out, just to make the book longer.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 8:46am

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4:45 am, just finished.

Damn, Jo Rowling is amazing. She keeps coming up with surprises.

I am disappointed at the outcome... but it had to happen.


-pzg
-the only one at FXHome maniacal enough to finish the book in 4.45 hours
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 11:48am

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I think the norwegian version will be out soon too, will have to read book nr. 5 first biggrin
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Yeah you do. Make sure NOT to read book 6 before book 5, it'll ruin all the twists and surprises that book 5 has.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 4:40pm

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I went to Barnes and Noble last night to get it and my number was 96. They said it would probably take 3 hours to get it so I went to Kroger and got it in 10 minutes. razz
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 4:49pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Im not sure why harry potter is SO appealing...Perhaps someone can fill me in on Specifically why people get obssesive about it?
When you realize it, JK Rowling isn't that great of an author- the Harry Potter series aren't well-written, just really appealing to people. Someone may love to read it, but that doesn't make it a great book. Children read the book becuase the idea of a boy wizard is amazing and who doesn't want to be just like Harry Potter?

(Don't think this is gonna stop me from reading it though) wink
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I would disagree with that, the idea of a "wizard" book normally would cast me away, as I am not a huge fantasy fan (with a LoTR exception). My main draw-in is her writing style and definite feel of the "going-ons" of teens, and she is able to translate that to a magical world.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 8:24pm

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And uh, it is great and all... but I am a antispoiler freak. So, mods, if someone doesn't mark a spoiler, please delete or mark it. Also, if you feel the massive need to do a spoiler or a hint of a spoiler, mark it with all caps and lots of space after the warning. I will be pissed if I get spoiled. unsure
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 8:34pm

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Serpent, I just had a crazy idea. I'm not sure if it would work, but in theory it makes sense.

Ready?

Don't read a thread about it if you don't want to run the risk of reading spoilers.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 8:35pm

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Serpent, considering the title of this thread, just don't come to it. I'm guessing its going to become dedicated to discussing the story and such, and most of the content will probably be spoilers, so you'd be better of just plain not reading the thread.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 9:39pm

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I, while flipping through the pages, read two words that spoiled alot:


SPOILER WARNING!¡!¡!



higlight below to see

spoiler wrote:


Hybrid says "No Spoilers allowed, the thread title doesn't warn of spoilers."
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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 9:47pm

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/me looks at what thread is about, and then exits rapidly

razz

I have a housemate who hasn't slept for 24 hours because of this book
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 10:55pm

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In the end, you can only blame yourself biggrin
Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005, 11:15pm

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TimmyD wrote:

In the end, you can only blame yourself biggrin
Or I could blame you. Why just blatantly post spoilers, if you're not going to comment on them or about them, after you've read it. The temptation just KILLS ME!
Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005, 12:58am

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I've done a little moderating, perhaps you should highlight the spoiler to check. smile

I think for the time being, this shall remain a spoiler free area for people to talk of their enjoyment of, or the experiences in getting the new Harry Potter Book. The spoilers can either wait for a different, marked spoiler thread or just filter into here after a suitable amount of time. In the interest of readers, I will be deleting all spoilers in this thread for now... and if not deleting.. replacing. razz

You have been warned!
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 7:05am

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i got to the shop at 8:45 am (16 mins b4 release) and i was 10th in line, i got it for less than half of the R.R.P. and i got a free library bag biggrin
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 7:16am

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I just finished (well, actually I finished a few hours ago. had to get out of the house after not leaving for two days)

what a fantastic book. Probably my third favorite (after 3 and 5).

What a great ending. sets it up so I really can't wait to see what happens in the last chapter. what a specific review I have written.
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 7:26am

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truely my favorite so far. loved the twists. i am definately a dork staying up till the midnigh opening and getting my book, spending the glorious 20 bucks on it, only to finish the book that same day.... wonder if i can get my money back anyway.... only one problem another half millenium to wait for the last book eh. oh well. at least we have a few movies to look forward to
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 8:08am

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considering i read the book so fast, and actually hurt from doing so, I welcome to 3 year wait to read another book.
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 12:15pm

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I waited a year to read OotP because i wanted to have the UK paperback, since that's what the rest of my series is, but I couldn't help it for this one, and I'm very glad I didn't wait, because I love it.
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 2:10pm

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Dammit Hybrid I want to know who it is, whoever has read it PM me. hugegrin
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 2:47pm

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I finished yesterday and although I didn't like it as much as OoTP it was still pretty good. My main problem with it was that I didn't really feel like the plot (in terms of the entire series) seemed to go anywhere until quite a way in - All the backstory stuff was interesting but it didn't actually move the book on IMO.

Another thing I felt was that it just seemed to simply be a stepping stone to the final book and that it doesn't seem to be that important for any other reason (usually the information that you get from the books helps to answer in the questions posed in the earlier ones or propells the plot along; in this case the only informaiton that was actually useful (in terms of plot) was that we now have a fair idea of what the characters will be spending their time doing next time. The whole "stepping stone" feeling wasn't helped by the fact that, unlike in previous books, there didn't really seem to be a resolution at the end, it just stopped - not really a cliffhanger, just....nothing.

Like I say though I think the book was more to flesh out the past of some of the characters and just give more depth to the situation which was in fact very interesting.

Christ, I'm such a nerd!
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 4:33pm

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My friend's birthday was 2 days ago, and he told me that his parents couldn't sleep so they just went out to Barnes & Noble at 12:01 AM and purchased the book.

Weird thing, I just walked in yesterday with my mother and just bought a copy. No lines. No nothing. 0.0000...1 minutes of waiting.

AND we got a 20% discount! For no apparent reason! Whoo-pee!
Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005, 5:26pm

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I finished yesterday and really did not like the ending. It needed to happen, but that doesn't make me like it. Probably my second favorite to OOTP. I don't want to wait two years for the 7th but I guess we'll have to.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2005, 1:30am

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This book left me feeling empty. I want so bad to read number 7 now, and everything in the last part of this book is so utterly heartwrenching, and every single bit of happiness the story had provided Harry was sapped away in the last 100 or so pages. So very, very sad.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2005, 5:01am

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I liked it a lot. It was worth every bit of 30 bucks. My life won't be complete until I read the 7th!
Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2005, 8:29am

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I thought it was Alright. Even though i haven't read any of the other books, i thought them killing a character like that was fairly uninteresting considering that didn't build that much emotional depth.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2005, 11:51am

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Bryce007 wrote:

I thought it was Alright. Even though i haven't read any of the other books, i thought them killing a character like that was fairly uninteresting considering that didn't build that much emotional depth.
The emotional depth is created throughout the other books (pretty successfully) and that's why you found it uninteresting; you have to appreciate the relationship between the characters for it to make any kind of impact.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2005, 6:43pm

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I agree. Without reading the other books you would only have 1/6 of feeling everyone else has for the characters.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2005, 7:40pm

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Great book. My favorite one.

So... who are you going to snog? wink
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Heh, great word, but I don't think its my favorite book, simply because it makes me want to read number 7 so much! razz

My order of favorites is 5,3,6,4,2,1
Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2005, 10:12pm

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Here's an article on the book and J.K. Rowling plus some speculation on the next book. (Spoilers)
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbp/timespecial/25July05_1A.jpg
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbp/timespecial/25July05_2A.jpg
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbp/timespecial/25July05_2B.jpg
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbp/timespecial/25July05_3A.jpg
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbp/timespecial/25July05_3B.jpg
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This book was awesome. I'm begining to read it a second time. The ending was pretty sad though
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evman101 wrote:

everything in the last part of this book is so utterly heartwrenching, and every single bit of happiness the story had provided Harry was sapped away in the last 100 or so pages. So very, very sad.
Great, great, great book......... But I completely agree! I put a spoiler warning in the title, but because I have no consent with HH, here goes a spoiler free version.... um..........

This book succeeded in really getting you to hate, not only Voldemort more, but *************, and **********. I so badly want this resolved. And when they were at um... the place... getting... um the thing, and the things in the liquid...... it was so.... horrible...... I hope this isn't too vague razz I thought the back story was great.

I just can't believe Rowling did that. I just can't........ sad MY GOSH!

AND WHO THE HECK IS *.*.*?

WAAAA!!!!
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I think *.*.* is.... *MINOR SPOILER*















Regulus Black perhaps?














*END SPOILER*
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Serpent wrote:

I think *.*.* is.... *MINOR SPOILER*















Regulus Black perhaps?














*END SPOILER*
Could be, but I bet it is a new character. Just a guess
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No, it's definitely Regulus Black. And one of the Horcruxes is the locket that they found in 12 Grimmauld Place in book 5, if you recall.

Book 6 tells us that Mundungus Fletcher was "stealing" items from Grimmauld Place. Also recall from Book 5 that Mundungus was part of the Order of the Phoenix and was loyal to Dumbledore for "getting him out of a tight spot"

Mundungus secured the Horcrux for Dumbledore early on in Book 6.

What I can't figure out is why they had to go find the fake one.

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orion0340 wrote:

**SPOILER**




No, it's definitely Regulus Black. And one of the Horcruxes is the locket that they found in 12 Grimmauld Place in book 5, if you recall.

Book 6 tells us that Mundungus Fletcher was "stealing" items from Grimmauld Place. Also recall from Book 5 that Mundungus was part of the Order of the Phoenix and was loyal to Dumbledore for "getting him out of a tight spot"

Mundungus secured the Horcrux for Dumbledore early on in Book 6.

What I can't figure out is why they had to go find the fake one.
EXTREME SPOILER****

















Maybe Dumbeldore had to die and he knew that. I can't imagine Dumbeldore just getting killed off by Snape if he didn't mean to. Of course, he did drink the poison earlier...... But why if he knew that they had the horcrux? That's what makes me think he didn't know..... I just cant wait for #7!


















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Now the threads marked and the spoilers have already started flowing there'd be no stopping it really. Spoil as much as you please razz
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SPOILER********************************************



There are two theory's that I've heard that are possible.
One thing to note before going on, Dumbledore said himself that living beings can be made horcruxes (the snake, nagini).

1- Harry is the last Horcrux.

- In order to create a horcrux, you must first kill someone, in this case, voldemort killed harry's mother. He could then have proceeded to make Harry a horcrux, knowing that he would be well protected later on, as the "boy who lived", and his soul would remain alive in Harry. We know Harry has some sort of connection to Voldemort... he can speak parseltounge, he was considered for placement in slytherin, and he can feel what voldemort is thinking. The big flaw with this is that if thats true, why would voldemort repeatedly try to kill Harry? One could say that the horcrux creation was an accident, but the argument with that is that how could one simply create something so complex by accident? Either way, if this is true, that would mean that Harry would have to commit suicide in order to defeat Voldemort once and for all...

2- Ginny is the last Horcrux.

- In the Chamber of Secrets, Tom Riddle mentioned something about transferring his soul into her in order to possess her to open the chamber. What if when Harry destroyed the diary, which we know to be a horcrux, Voldemort's soul had already left the diary and has since resided in Ginny. This would mean that Harry would have to kill the one he loves in order to kill Voldemort, which, IMO, would be much much worse.


Those are just some theory's i've heard about that I think are plausable, and knowing JKR's history of twists and turns, they're entirely possible.


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evman101 wrote:

SPOILER********************************************



There are two theory's that I've heard that are possible.
One thing to note before going on, Dumbledore said himself that living beings can be made horcruxes (the snake, nagini).

1- Harry is the last Horcrux.

- In order to create a horcrux, you must first kill someone, in this case, voldemort killed harry's mother. He could then have proceeded to make Harry a horcrux, knowing that he would be well protected later on, as the "boy who lived", and his soul would remain alive in Harry. We know Harry has some sort of connection to Voldemort... he can speak parseltounge, he was considered for placement in slytherin, and he can feel what voldemort is thinking. The big flaw with this is that if thats true, why would voldemort repeatedly try to kill Harry? One could say that the horcrux creation was an accident, but the argument with that is that how could one simply create something so complex by accident? Either way, if this is true, that would mean that Harry would have to commit suicide in order to defeat Voldemort once and for all...

2- Ginny is the last Horcrux.

- In the Chamber of Secrets, Tom Riddle mentioned something about transferring his soul into her in order to possess her to open the chamber. What if when Harry destroyed the diary, which we know to be a horcrux, Voldemort's soul had already left the diary and has since resided in Ginny. This would mean that Harry would have to kill the one he loves in order to kill Voldemort, which, IMO, would be much much worse.


Those are just some theory's i've heard about that I think are plausable, and knowing JKR's history of twists and turns, they're entirely possible.


END SPOILER*******************************************
Spoiler*********











I cannot imagine harry having to commit suicide. It just would be too depressing. Also, as you said, too many attempts on Harry's life have been made by Voldemort and the death eaters. Once the horcrux is estroyed, that fragment of the soul is too. So, even if it was by mistake, Voldemort would not want to destroy a part of his soul.
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evman101 wrote:

SPOILER********************************************



There are two theory's that I've heard that are possible.
One thing to note before going on, Dumbledore said himself that living beings can be made horcruxes (the snake, nagini).

1- Harry is the last Horcrux.

- In order to create a horcrux, you must first kill someone, in this case, voldemort killed harry's mother. He could then have proceeded to make Harry a horcrux, knowing that he would be well protected later on, as the "boy who lived", and his soul would remain alive in Harry. We know Harry has some sort of connection to Voldemort... he can speak parseltounge, he was considered for placement in slytherin, and he can feel what voldemort is thinking. The big flaw with this is that if thats true, why would voldemort repeatedly try to kill Harry? One could say that the horcrux creation was an accident, but the argument with that is that how could one simply create something so complex by accident? Either way, if this is true, that would mean that Harry would have to commit suicide in order to defeat Voldemort once and for all...

2- Ginny is the last Horcrux.

- In the Chamber of Secrets, Tom Riddle mentioned something about transferring his soul into her in order to possess her to open the chamber. What if when Harry destroyed the diary, which we know to be a horcrux, Voldemort's soul had already left the diary and has since resided in Ginny. This would mean that Harry would have to kill the one he loves in order to kill Voldemort, which, IMO, would be much much worse.


Those are just some theory's i've heard about that I think are plausable, and knowing JKR's history of twists and turns, they're entirely possible.


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I think those seem a lot more plausible then it being anything non living. I guess we'll have to wait like 3 years to find out.
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Yamfanny wrote:












I cannot imagine harry having to commit suicide. It just would be too depressing. Also, as you said, too many attempts on Harry's life have been made by Voldemort and the death eaters. Once the horcrux is estroyed, that fragment of the soul is too. So, even if it was by mistake, Voldemort would not want to destroy a part of his soul.
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Dumbledore said that Voldemort couldn't detect when one of his horcruxes has been destroyed, that means that he could have absolutely no knowledge of Harry BEING one of his horcruxes, which would explain why he's tried to kill harry so many times. Voldemort, like everyone else, believes that Harry was the only person ever to survive his Avada Kadavra curse, so naturally, he'd want to kill him, not knowing that harry is the last horcrux.

And as for it being depressing, at first I could never imagine Dumbledore dying. JKR has proven that she is not afraid to go to the extreme. She's said many times that Sirius is perhaps her favorite character, and she killed him off in book 5. Anything is possible.


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evman101 wrote:

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I cannot imagine harry having to commit suicide. It just would be too depressing. Also, as you said, too many attempts on Harry's life have been made by Voldemort and the death eaters. Once the horcrux is estroyed, that fragment of the soul is too. So, even if it was by mistake, Voldemort would not want to destroy a part of his soul.
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Dumbledore said that Voldemort couldn't detect when one of his horcruxes has been destroyed, that means that he could have absolutely no knowledge of Harry BEING one of his horcruxes, which would explain why he's tried to kill harry so many times. Voldemort, like everyone else, believes that Harry was the only person ever to survive his Avada Kadavra curse, so naturally, he'd want to kill him, not knowing that harry is the last horcrux.

And as for it being depressing, at first I could never imagine Dumbledore dying. JKR has proven that she is not afraid to go to the extreme. She's said many times that Sirius is perhaps her favorite character, and she killed him off in book 5. Anything is possible.


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SPOILER***



I definitely think Dumbeldore told Snape to kill him. I mean, Dumbeldore being disarmed by Malfoy, c'mon! The only way that Snape could get fully into Voldemort's trust was to kill Dumbeldore, and that's what he did. There is no way Dumbeldore didn't mean for that to happen.



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Yamfanny wrote:

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I definitely think Dumbeldore told Snape to kill him. I mean, Dumbeldore being disarmed by Malfoy, c'mon! The only way that Snape could get fully into Voldemort's trust was to kill Dumbeldore, and that's what he did. There is no way Dumbeldore didn't mean for that to happen.



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SPOLER



I completely agree with this. I think that Dumbledore's pleading with Snape was not pleading for mercy, but pleading with him to go through with it. This completely goes along with Dumbledore's insistance that no matter what, Harry continues feeding him the liquid from the pedestal. Dumbledore knew he was going to die that night one way or another, and I think he knew he could get through to Malfoy, so Malfoy wouldn't do it. I think that if he knew that, he would have wanted the person he trusts the most to do it. Snape.

Also, Evman, I've expanded on my theory that harry is a horcrux. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't re-read OotP yet, so I don't remember exactly, but I don't think Voldemort has tried to fight Harry since his "resurrection". I believe that all the times Voldemort has tried to get Harry before that were not attempts on his life, but merely attempts to get his blood, as it was Harry's blood that made Voldemort whole. Since no one knows what happens on Voldemort's side of the story, this is completely plausible, I think.

Also, I think the idea that Ginny is the last Horcrux is even more depressing than Harry being it, because that would mean Harry has to kill her. The girl he is bound to end up with. Ron's sister... That would be mad.

Yes, I have been going through this over and over in my head since Monday night, and I definitely believe that Snape was on order to kill Dumbledore, and that Harry himself is the sixth Horcrux.

Man.. I get goosebumps just thinking about this stuff. This is one of the greatest stories ever told.


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***SPOILER***








I have my own theory. Dumbledore knew about the fake horcrux all along. He knew Harry would keep it so he ordered Snape to kill him (dumbledore). And seeing as though dumbledore will no doubtly have killed someone before (working for the order) , he put his soul in the necklace, which Harry now has. I think he will be back in book seven.

Also another theory I have is dumbledore is actually alive in the white tomb. My reasoning is that we heard the pheonix sony so many time after he died. Maybe he done some sort of spell to prevent himself from dying on impact. So his body would be damaged as if you did get killed and he wouldn't have a pulse but be sort of sleeping. And his body could have been mended by the pheonix tears.

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nbfilms wrote:

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I have my own theory. Dumbledore knew about the fake horcrux all along. He knew Harry would keep it so he ordered Snape to kill him (dumbledore). And seeing as though dumbledore will no doubtly have killed someone before (working for the order) , he put his soul in the necklace, which Harry now has. I think he will be back in book seven.

Also another theory I have is dumbledore is actually alive in the white tomb. My reasoning is that we heard the pheonix sony so many time after he died. Maybe he done some sort of spell to prevent himself from dying on impact. So his body would be damaged as if you did get killed and he wouldn't have a pulse but be sort of sleeping. And his body could have been mended by the pheonix tears.

I'm just rambling now smile





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I don't think killing a death eater would split your soul. You have to do something EVIL... Also, a horcrux is a powerful DARK object. It's all too evil for Dumbeldore. Also, the Avada Kedavra curse always kills. There is no counter curse.
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Here is another good article to read oh HBP (warning major spoilers)
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/gof/ew_july2005/ewscan7.jpg
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SPOILER!!!!





I just realized something..... That argument between Snape and Dumbeldore never was explained. To me, this is rock solid evidence that Dumbeldore told Snape to kill him. Snape was arguing against it, but eventually agreed. They left it unexplained, which means it'll be a big thing in the next one. Just a theory.
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Crap, man. Just finshed reading after getting the book late yesterday, and...well.....crap. Gotta say, I kind of figured out Dumbledore was gonna die near the end, about when he started drinking the poisons....It just seemed that since J.K.Rowling had put so much emphasis onedore in this book, it [i]had[/] to be him.

I like the theories that are going on here, and I think the whole idea that the arguement between Dumbledore and Snape was over Dumbledore's murder makes perfect sense. One problem though- by killing Dumbledore rather than letting Malfoy do it, isn't Snape putting Malfoy in even more danger from Voldemort (e.g. his rage that Malfoy didn't follow thru), and in doing so, wouldn't this be breaking the Unbreakable Vow, hence killing Snape? I dunno, the whole vow seemed pointless as it had little to no bearing on the story. And why is Harry gonna break up with Ginny, but still let Hermione and Ron follow him- that doesn't make any sensefGinny loved him- which, as she said, she does- then she'd be able to follow him like on and Hermione are. Crap. Well now I just HAVE to read Book 7.












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*SPOILERZ*

















He totally knew Malfoy wouldn't and couldn't do it, so by following through it saved him (which he had to do or else he would be killed from the permanatepromisething) and it would also COULD be following Dumbledore's order (based on these theories.) I am sure Snape also has an excuse for the Dark Lord.














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We should start a spoiler thread or something where no need to mark 'em. I wish we could highlight stuff on this forum to shadow spoilers, like Timmyd did with the quote thing, and what TF.N does on their forum. Just a suggestion to make further posting about movies, books, and games with spoilers easier.
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There's no point wasting space just because you're lazy...

Either carry on marking them, or use the quote method that TimmyD used - the correct colour tag is [color=#4e5c81] by the way.

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Yamfanny wrote:

SPOILER!!!!





I just realized something..... That argument between Snape and Dumbeldore never was explained. To me, this is rock solid evidence that Dumbeldore told Snape to kill him. Snape was arguing against it, but eventually agreed. They left it unexplained, which means it'll be a big thing in the next one. Just a theory.
wow that actually makes perfect sense. I really hope that Dumbledore comes back Harry just hasn't learned enough to be able to defeat Voldemort. Maybe something will happen where R.A.B. (regulus black perhaps) teaches him. How in the world is Harry gonna find the horcruxes? I NEED THE 7th BOOK!
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I highly doubt Dumbledore will come back. JKR has said many times that magic CANNOT bring people back from the dead. If Snape didn't completely kill Dumbledore, he would have broken the unbreakable curse, and died. Since he DIDN'T die, then Dumbledore is completely and utterly DEAD. He's not coming back folks. Not to mention that if he did, that would eliminate ALL the drama and jeopardy in the whole story... if Dumbledore can come back, then everyone else's situations would seem less terrifying, if the audience believes people can be ressurected by magic. Just because you want Dumbledore to come back, isn't an excuse to bring him back. That would ruin it for me, completely.






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wow that actually makes perfect sense. I really hope that Dumbledore comes back Harry just hasn't learned enough to be able to defeat Voldemort. Maybe something will happen where R.A.B. (regulus black perhaps) teaches him. How in the world is Harry gonna find the horcruxes? I NEED THE 7th BOOK!
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That actually makes no sense. Dubledore is not the kind of person who would willingly put people in danger for no reason. If he had known about the horcrux not being real, I highly doubt he would have gone in the first place, let alone let harry go. Yes.. What evman says is true. Sorry folks. Dumbledore is dead.


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evman101 wrote:

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Not to mention that if he did, that would eliminate ALL the drama and jeopardy in the whole story...



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Reminds me of WotW razz
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My bet is that Dumbledore will appear to Harry as a ghost and give him guidance. "Use the force Harry!".
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

My bet is that Dumbledore will appear to Harry as a ghost and give him guidance. "Use the force Harry!".
Yeah, plus he's taught him all his skills, right?



Learn the ways of the wizardi!
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This is going to sound really dumb, but it's something I've been thinking about. After Dumbledore died his painting appeared on the wall inside of his old office...right? Well, in the Harry Potter books paintings can talk, and there are many instances where the paintings of former headmasters make comments about what is going on. So couldn't Dumbledore continue giving Harry advice through his painting?


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Exactly right. Or his ghost could still be at the school. Oh wait. If you use Avada Kedavra on someone, they can't be a ghost, can they?
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I don't understand the whole picture thing. Can't harry talk to his parents, Sirius,


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Dumbeldore,








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etc. through the paintings. There has to be some restriction. Also, for you to be a ghost, don't you have to have certain circumstances in your death? If you have to have unfinished business, then



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Dumbeldore









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shud be able to become a ghost. Does anyone know the rules about ghosts and Pictures?
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I think you're bringing the unfinished business theory from somewhere else. In OoTP it's explained that those who were afraid of death may choose to leave behind an imprint of themselves (as a ghost) but that few chose to do this. The character in question was at no point afraid to die and wouldn't have chosen to remain as a ghost (IMO).

I'm a bit confused about the paintings, some seem able to have independent thoughts and even seem alive (most of the Hogwarts paintings), others seem to be just simple tricks and enchantments (In books or those trading cards from the 1st movie).
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But in Philosopher/Sorcerer's Stone they said that being a ghost usually meant you had unfinshed business that needed to be taken care of (e.g. Nearly Headless Nick). They also touched on this in Chamber of Secrets, what with NH-Nick not being conten tover the whole Headless Hunt and such.
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But the headless hunt thing only became unfinished business once he was a ghost it's not like he became a ghost to finish something. NHN basically spells it out in OoTP and it seems that it's only those who fear death that can stay behind.
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hahaha I just found this site with stuff you can buy from harry potter wow I never expected this http://www.alivans.com/ you can get wands and brooms crazy
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Oh my God. All you need is a lathe and some different kinds of wood, and a little time and you can make a killing selling "Magic" wands from Harry potter online. I got's ta do that.
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Im just throughing this up in the air but what if harry's not a horcrux anymore. Because As soon as vol... sorry. He-who-must-not-be-named came back, harry no longer had a connection with his thoughts. But there are loop holes in this theory. If this were true then harry would no longer be able to speak parseltongue, is one example. Unless maybe vold...you know who who gave it to him. though we have substantial evidence that he did. But if you recall dumbledore asking harry if his forehead ever hurt and if he ever shared thoughts with you know who. And Harry said "no" Then dumbledore remarked"good." Or something to that effect. And maybe YOU-KNOW-WHO went to get his soul out of harry first because he knew that the prophecy said that they both cannot live. I dunno if that made any sense but....ughhh I cant wait to read the seventh. Though I'm not as devoted as some of you folks. I read the book in a week. I do agree that I think that me life will forever have a empty hole, until I aquire the 7th and final chapter to this exseptionally thrilling tail. This truly has been a exciting adventure and brilliantly written novel. (Man that sounded nerdy) Anyways harry is a stud. And i cant wait to see him blow snape to...well you know. I almost hate snape more then YOu know who. Even though I strongly beleive that he was ordered to kill dumbledore. And I think that harry will not kill snape but that snape will sacrifice himself for harry. Which sux cuz i really would like snape to be....Cheers to rowling for making me ramble on about her Imaginary world.

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The whole Snape is evil thing, if true, makes the whole surprise aout Snape being good turn around. Also, Dumbledore seemed to be really really wise. Weird that he trusted him. And MAYBE Dumbledore wasn't Dumbledore, it could've been Polyjuice potion. wink Nah, Dumbledore is dead.






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Rawree wrote:

Another thing I felt was that it just seemed to simply be a stepping stone to the final book and that it doesn't seem to be that important for any other reason (usually the information that you get from the books helps to answer in the questions posed in the earlier ones or propells the plot along; in this case the only informaiton that was actually useful (in terms of plot) was that we now have a fair idea of what the characters will be spending their time doing next time. The whole "stepping stone" feeling wasn't helped by the fact that, unlike in previous books, there didn't really seem to be a resolution at the end, it just stopped - not really a cliffhanger, just....nothing.
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What do you mean its not important for any other reason. I think this book could be the most important of them all. This is the book where they finally at last discover the secret to how voldemort has kept himself alive. They finally found out how he lived and the now how to kill him. And harry knows that it has do be him because the only other man capable is dead. So IMO this book is the most important so far in the series.

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Just finished the book yesterday. Must say it was REALLY good. I was really upset when dumbledore died. We have known this character for 6 odd years. We have gone with this character through drama, action and love. This might seem weird, but I feel a part of me has died, someone that I really liked (really wicked to think that, but anyways!)

I somehow think it was good that D. died, cause it just brings up the devastating situation the wizarding world is about to face. I do somehow believe that D. will somehow communicate with HP.
There must have been a reason for bringing HP into the cave. I am sure that D. knew that R.Black had already stolen the horcrux. He says he knew about Malfoys plan, and just didnt want to interfeer in order to spare his life. D isnt a person who is a coward and begs for mercy, this means, he must have just known ahout Voldemorts plan for Malfoy. Snape must have informed D about the unbreakable Vow. D is the most powerful wizard (even more powerful than Voldemort, as D is the only person V. fears) he could have easily swept away all of the death eaters with a "lazy flick with the wand".

Snape spared Harrys life saying that the lord wants to finish him off, but he gives him tips, to finally learn how to jinx without saying the spell out loud.

I cannot wait until the final part comes out, and I am sure that there will be many surprises. But we have to wait until 2007 sad

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What do you mean its not important for any other reason. I think this book could be the most important of them all. This is the book where they finally at last discover the secret to how voldemort has kept himself alive. They finally found out how he lived and the now how to kill him. And harry knows that it has do be him because the only other man capable is dead. So IMO this book is the most important so far in the series.

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We already knew that Voldemort had placed all kinds of spells on himself to become as close to immortal as he possibly can, we already knew that he couldn't be "killed" as such. What a horcrux is and what it does is explained in a single chapter (although its padded out a fair bit from learning the word to learning what it is for some reason) and could easily have been brought up early in the next one as it doesn't affect the plot of this book at all, they don't actually destroy any of them or even find any, it just sets up the plot for the next book (therefore this one is the stepping stone and not really needed).

Harry was always the only one capable of destroying him and we know this from OoTP due to the prophecy. It just seemed to me that Rowling was just going over old ground and perhaps adding slightly to things we already know, the characters and the reader basically learn nothing new and they're more or less in the same position they were before.
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Rawree wrote:

ssj john wrote:


What do you mean its not important for any other reason. I think this book could be the most important of them all. This is the book where they finally at last discover the secret to how voldemort has kept himself alive. They finally found out how he lived and the now how to kill him. And harry knows that it has do be him because the only other man capable is dead. So IMO this book is the most important so far in the series.

WORD
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We already knew that Voldemort had placed all kinds of spells on himself to become as close to immortal as he possibly can, we already knew that he couldn't be "killed" as such. What a horcrux is and what it does is explained in a single chapter (although its padded out a fair bit from learning the word to learning what it is for some reason) and could easily have been brought up early in the next one as it doesn't affect the plot of this book at all, they don't actually destroy any of them or even find any, it just sets up the plot for the next book (therefore this one is the stepping stone and not really needed).

Harry was always the only one capable of destroying him and we know this from OoTP due to the prophecy. It just seemed to me that Rowling was just going over old ground and perhaps adding slightly to things we already know, the characters and the reader basically learn nothing new and they're more or less in the same position they were before.
YEah we did know that voldemort put all kind of spells but we didn't know what he did. THis book is needed because he explains what a horcrux is in one chapter yes but the whole book is harry and dumbledore trying to figure out what a horcrux is. Yes harry was the one who had to kill him but he still had to figure out how. I cant beleive you would say this book isn't really needed when they found the secret to killing voldemort thats what this whole series is about is them trying find out how to kill voldemort and now they know how.