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Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 3:08pm

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If your curious as to how things will look...

http://www.extremetech.com/slideshow/0,1206,l=&s=200&a=156757,00.asp
Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 3:20pm

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To me it looks like there making it look like Macintosh style!
Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 3:23pm

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To me it looks like "HTTP/1.1 500 Server Error"
Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 3:35pm

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That isn't the final look. Final look will be in Beta 2. I sure hope they make it a macintosh look! smile
Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 3:41pm

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sk8npirate wrote:

To me it looks like "HTTP/1.1 500 Server Error"
lol to me too, little bit what i expected, heh smile
Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 5:32pm

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Personally, I prefer this design to Mac's GUI.
It has to have it's own style, whether it's a little like Mac or not, it just can't be too similar.
Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 9:45pm

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I hate it. It's really cluttered. And it's interesting to see that they've nicked a lot of Firefox features for IE7...
Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 10:27pm

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Haha..parental controls...any reasonably techie kid nowdays will have that cracked in a week
Posted: Thu, 4th Aug 2005, 10:44pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Haha..parental controls...any reasonably techie kid nowdays will have that cracked in a week
No. Any reasonably technically savvy kid would have made himself administrator razz


Also, that GUI isn't final. Vista beta 1 is a developers build. Beta 1 of Vista is for developers to test programs out on Vista.

Oh, and you can't really state MS is copying from Apple. If you were to make that claim, then you'd have to bring up various other issues as well like who proposed search functionality first, virtual folders, xerox, etc..



But, we don't like to go there. wink
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Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 2:11am

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I just installed the beta..and id have to say im pretty impesssed:

All of the old XP programs, and some XP drivers worked in vista...but not all drivers. I wasnt able to install my Audigy 2 ZS because creative hasnt made a Vista driver yet for it. After a while..it got buggy. It got a little choppy, and i got the bsod and had to shutdown. But the layout is perfect. The visual effects remind me of OS X, but thats ok, because it looks really awesome.

The sorting and searching for any files are found in an instant, because of how you can break it down. Ex. Starting letter, keyword, etc etc.

The new start menu was really nice too. Instead of multiple windows expanding outward, you got a nice one window deal, which you could expand folders and what not. Everything was very detailled, but since there was no Creative Sound support, I was forced to go back to Win xp 64bit Pro...which still works fine. I look forward to the final release of Vista:)

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Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 5:00am

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Error Message

I love how they just re-vamped the error messages, rather than fixing the errors that cause them... wink
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 5:29am

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I love how they just re-vamped the error messages, rather than fixing the errors that cause them...
Y' know, everyone knows what that is and I'm taking the bait.

Macs freeze like no other "computer" does in the world, thank you very much. I have had three freezes and three BSOD's in the course of a year. This doesn't begin to compare with the 20+ application crashes I encountered within a week on a Mac. I might add, the BSOD's were all caused by my graphics card's drivers, not Windows. Thanks to Microsoft's error reporting, I was able to go and download ATI's latest Catalyst drivers, and then continue playing Half Life 2.

Respectfully, pwned.

That being said, I will return to the ream of civility by saying I liked XP, and am looking forward to a good, not perfect, but overall, good, stable operating system. I also liked the look of XP which was nice, and Vista looks plain beautiful. I give credit to where it's deserved, thusly -- applause, Microsoft.

I hate it. It's really cluttered. And it's interesting to see that they've nicked a lot of Firefox features for IE7...
Considering the entirety of the Internet community is slamming them for every "hole" in IE, I can't see why they shouldn't. Also, tabbed browsing is apparent in nearly every browser in existence, sans Internet Explorer. Opera has had it for years. I know for a fact Firefox wasn't the first to nab it.
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 6:29am

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mattio wrote:

To me it looks like there making it look like Macintosh style!
They R jealous wink
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 6:36am

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Zea, you got the beta from Bittorrent right? case otherwise you must be a microsoft employee....
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 2:37pm

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Bryce: A private beta was released to beta testers on the 27th of July. On August 1st, a more widespread release of Vista Beta 1 was released to more beta testers. The internal MS release happened a long time ago.

Aculag: Basically that error message shows a self-fixing capability of Vista. Vista keeps track of the maximum performance of the system from day 1. If it detects that perhaps the system is slow for some reason, it will try to discover what exactly is causing the system to perform slowly (as seen in the screenshot). If it be a virus, the system will immediately know that there is some suspicious program causing drops in performance and it will be able to target that specific program.

So yeah, Windows will be able to fix some of its own errors.


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Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 3:16pm

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Is beta 1 buggy? As in, if it's still in development is it congenial issues or is it work-related issues? I thought beta 1 was completed a while ago, and beta 2 was in the works. Or is this just showing old screenshots? I'm no beta tester, but my notebook is crapped-up enough that I'm willing to give beta 1 a shot on it if I can find a torrent or another beta *COUGH* tester. wink
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 5:21pm

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DigiSm89 wrote:


So yeah, Windows will be able to fix some of its own errors.
Hopefully this will work as it's supposed to, rather than causing more problems; namely believing that a ligitimate program is an unwanted one...
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 5:44pm

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Yeah, there were a few betas of longhorn..but since they switched it to vista this is the first beta. Im sure 2 is in the works.

-Z
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 5:47pm

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I've finished with windows for good. My next PC will definitely be a MAC.

If you play games, choose a PC (Windows)

For everything else, choose Mac.

Can't go wrong if you follow those guidelines!
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 5:57pm

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DigiSm89 wrote:

...on the 27th of July...
That's my birthday!

DigiSm89 wrote:

Aculag: Basically that error message shows a self-fixing capability of Vista.
I might add, that error reporting and fixing is something still absent from Macs...

For everything else, choose Mac.
I would rather die. But that's neither here nor there, I haven't had stellar experience with them.
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 6:05pm

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I was a Windows fanboy until I was introduced to a Power Book by a friend.

1) It NEVER crashes.
2) The interface is beautiful.
3) Using it is generally a more 'satisfying' experience.
4) It is much faster than windows at booting and loading programmes.
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 6:18pm

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atom wrote:

Is beta 1 buggy? As in, if it's still in development is it congenial issues or is it work-related issues? I thought beta 1 was completed a while ago, and beta 2 was in the works. Or is this just showing old screenshots? I'm no beta tester, but my notebook is crapped-up enough that I'm willing to give beta 1 a shot on it if I can find a torrent or another beta *COUGH* tester. wink
If you decide to go with a torrent, beware...

I tried installing it from a torrent and I couldn't get the installer to work.

It isn't buggy though. It's been reported as "very speedy" in most places.


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Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 6:20pm

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TommyB wrote:

I was a Windows fanboy until I was introduced to a Power Book by a friend.

1) It NEVER crashes.
2) The interface is beautiful.
3) Using it is generally a more 'satisfying' experience.
4) It is much faster than windows at booting and loading programmes.
Although I'm a Mac man myself, the four "points" that you've brought up are all either based on personal preferences and experiences. I'm sure you can find much better reasons as to why you believe Macs are superior than those.
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 6:49pm

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I think personally, one of my ups for macs is being able to have a consistent experience and knowing that when you purchase a mac, everything will just work.

Though, I find it more enjoyable the process to which things are achieved rather than letting my computer do everything for me. Unless the system can offer more and fully extend my level of productivity, a system of simplicity is utterly useless.


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Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 8:32pm

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END/Alt://Mac v. PC/ Debate/Ctrl/ended
Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005, 8:47pm

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atom wrote:

END/Alt://Mac v. PC/ Debate/Ctrl/ended
END IF{COLON WACK WACK Mac v. PC WACK Debate WACK hadStarted = True}


Sorry, wasn't aware if one had. smile
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Posted: Sat, 6th Aug 2005, 5:06am

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DigiSm89 wrote:

atom wrote:

END/Alt://Mac v. PC/ Debate/Ctrl/ended
END IF{COLON WACK WACK Mac v. PC WACK Debate WACK hadStarted = True}


Sorry, wasn't aware if one had. smile
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That's why the message encoded itself. smile
Posted: Sat, 6th Aug 2005, 12:57pm

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atom wrote:

That's why the message encoded itself. smile
A self-encoding algorithm...quite intriguing if I do say so myself.

Forget Vista baby! This is, like, golden! biggrin

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Posted: Sat, 6th Aug 2005, 5:17pm

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A Pickle wrote:

Y' know, everyone knows what that is and I'm taking the bait.
I wasn't trying to start any sort of debate at all. It just seemed funny to me that a screenshot of an error message would be showcased.

A Pickle wrote:

Macs freeze like no other "computer" does in the world, thank you very much. I have had three freezes and three BSOD's in the course of a year. This doesn't begin to compare with the 20+ application crashes I encountered within a week on a Mac.
You have not seen anything yet. My Mac is a complete and utter piece of sh*t. If there are too many processes running, it crashes.. If it's hotter than normal in my room, it crashes. For instance, during the heat wave we just had in Colorado, my Mac would crash, sieze up, freeze, etc 2-3 times a day. Sometimes it did it multiple times in the course of an hour. Not a good thing. Three freezes in a YEAR??! I will gladly take that junk off your hands for you.

A Pickle wrote:

Respectfully, pwned.
Posted: Sat, 6th Aug 2005, 5:34pm

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Aculag wrote:

I wasn't trying to start any sort of debate at all. It just seemed funny to me that a screenshot of an error message would be showcased.
Hehe. Yeah smile

The thing is, Beta 1 screenshots, as silly as it may seem, are only showing a couple of features and functionality of the OS. There is no intent to show how pretty the OS looks. That's saved for Beta 2.


Darn it, why wont this Beta 1 install work..
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Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005, 5:59am

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Aculag wrote:

You have not seen anything yet. My Mac is a complete and utter piece of sh*t. If there are too many processes running, it crashes.. If it's hotter than normal in my room, it crashes. For instance, during the heat wave we just had in Colorado, my Mac would crash, sieze up, freeze, etc 2-3 times a day. Sometimes it did it multiple times in the course of an hour. Not a good thing. Three freezes in a YEAR??! I will gladly take that junk off your hands for you.

A Pickle wrote:

Respectfully, pwned.
Hmm. Hoisted by my own petard, apparently...

Sorry. It seemed that I have seen far, FAR, too much anti-Vista sentiment lately and I snapped. I apologize. Personally, I'm looking forward to it.

One might say, I have a vista for Windows Vista. Mwah ha ha.
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2005, 6:52pm

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I had a chance to use Vista a couple of days ago, as a guy at work has the beta. I'm pretty impressed by a lot of it. The search is now a lot faster and slicker, and no stupid dog or whatever it is, thankfully. The icons are all very very nice and high res, which is good. Lots of little touches that are an improvement, but overall it kinda looks like it's just a couple enhanced features, and sharper looking graphics and interface. Oh, the new start menu is pretty nice, too.

I'm sure I'll get it when it's out though.
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2005, 8:13pm

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It's been noted by someone at the Avalon team that cards that are as powerful as the ATI X300 will be able to run all of what's in Beta1 (all visual fx).

That means a couple of steps up (ATI x500?), you'll be able to run Aero Glass perfectly.

They're working on getting the performance even better for lower end systems.

BTW, the ATI x300 is only ~$70 right now.


Aculag: Had the MS Paint and administrator tools icons changed yet? If not, they'll probably (finally) have their makeovers by Beta 2.


I'm bored
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