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MOVIE TRAILER - BROKEN ($8000 Action Short - 100 Vfx Shots)

Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 12:01pm

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Hey Everyone,

We just finished shooting an action/thriller short film called BROKEN. Shot on the DVX 100a.

Click here to check out the trailer: http://www.whatisbroken.com/broken_trailer_enter.html
Also, check out our web docs: http://whatisbroken.com/webdocs.html

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks for taking a look.

Alex
http://www.whatisbroken.com
http://www.enigmafactory.com
http://www.alexferrari.com
Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 12:56pm

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Looks awesome. I'll have a read of your website.
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Ohh I saw this before when I believe it was posted on the dvinfo forums and I must say the film looks great. I love the style and feel of it. Looking at the web-docs I can see the digital effects are top notch. I will surely be buying the dvd, especially since a lot of those special features look interesting.
Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 2:29pm

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WOW! that is AMAZING! you are really talented! i am just blown away
Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 2:36pm

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About how long is this film? Is it feature length? If it is, I plan on purchasing a copy of the DVD, as it looks very impressive.

Edit: Hmm.. One of the "review blurbs" says 15 minutes. You spent 8000 dollars on 15 minutes?
Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 2:58pm

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Very professional looking trailer. The video quality/color I esp. liked. Great job.
Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 3:08pm

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Very nice looking.
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Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 4:20pm

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Very nice. May I ask where the muzzle flash stock footage is from?
Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 5:21pm

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Aculag wrote:

Edit: Hmm.. One of the "review blurbs" says 15 minutes. You spent 8000 dollars on 15 minutes?
The guys who made Prey Alone- awesome movie, btw- spent like 45000 pounds or so on a 15 minute movie, so that's no surprising.

EDIT: About the trailer, I wasn't really sure what the actual story was, and not much in it made me really want to see the movie, save the cool camerawork. I think in a trailer, you need to put things in that tease the audience and lure them closer, and this trailer, IMO, just didn't. REALLY good look from the DVX, though, I'm impressed. I'm also saddened that you use that tired song from the Matrix Reloaded Soundtrack. Maybe it's because I've used it myself so many times that I hate it, but it just bugs me when someone puts an overused song in a trailer, makes the movie less original, IMO.

Site looks cool, but like I said, the trailer didn't really do it for me. I didn't get enough of the general story or theme of the movie. It wasn't really 'sold'.
Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 11:39pm

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What alterations are you doing to your video framerate and motion, if any?
Posted: Thu, 11th Aug 2005, 11:49pm

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Very professional trailer, yet Id have to say I liked the "whats going on here?" notion. There wasn't much story in the trailer, yet there are many possibilities you can come up with, just by the shots. He says "short film" so it might be 15 minutes, but it has over 3 hours of bonus materials, and Id really like to support them, and other Inde film makers actually producing things. I look forward to the dvd.

-Z
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Very good trailer.
But it's more of a teaser, and doesn't hold me on for much more than the actual viewing time. Still, I'll look to see the full thing.

As Sidewider pointed out, 8000 for 15 mins. Wow... what did you spend the money on?
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 1:32am

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Hey, catering is expensive. Just kidding. razz Ok, think about it. A movie looking that professional has to have the perfect lighting, perfect set, and perfect sound equipment. Plus many other things. Many movies with basic scenes are rented out warehouses. So theres a few thousand, plus the equipment i just mentioned. Then multiple cameras, each $2000+ probably, hiring actors, catering, then video editing software, hiring someone to edit, then building the site to promote it. He didnt say when they stopped either, finding a producer and investing money into the DvD creation. These days...$8000 is nothing.

-Z
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 2:24am

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Zea wrote:

Hey, catering is expensive. Just kidding. razz Ok, think about it. A movie looking that professional has to have the perfect lighting, perfect set, and perfect sound equipment. Plus many other things. Many movies with basic scenes are rented out warehouses. So theres a few thousand, plus the equipment i just mentioned. Then multiple cameras, each $2000+ probably, hiring actors, catering, then video editing software, hiring someone to edit, then building the site to promote it. He didnt say when they stopped either, finding a producer and investing money into the DvD creation. These days...$8000 is nothing.

-Z
I really didn't need you to list the precise details of what costs money. Thanks though.

But my opinion is that 8000$ is a lot of money, a huge amount in semi-professional standards - and I'm quite sure I could happily milk 8000 away on a few of my own film ideas. wink A lot can be done with the know-how instead of the money and long lists you just mentioned.

You're arguing as if you made it and have to defend it Zea, nobody has actually said something strongly bad against it. smile
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 2:25am

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WOW! Except.... what's it about. The story just isn't clear enough. And I don't understand the second thing the guy says. "I am.... ????" What's he say?
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 3:43am

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pooky wrote:

Very nice. May I ask where the muzzle flash stock footage is from?
We created ALL the muzzle flashes ourselves from scratch.

Thanks,
alex
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 3:44am

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sidewinder wrote:

What alterations are you doing to your video framerate and motion, if any?
None alterration. Straight 24p

Thanks,
Alex
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 3:48am

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Hey Guys,

Thanks for all the kind words. To answer the question, it's a teaser trailer not a full trailer. Something to get you interested in seeing BROKEN. Thanks for all the support and good luck on all your projects!

Alex
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 11:44am

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er-no: Nah, i wasnt defending. More of helping myself understand how fast $8000 can be spent up on a movie....thats all.

-Z
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 5:05pm

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Zea wrote:

er-no: Nah, i wasnt defending. More of helping myself understand how fast $8000 can be spent up on a movie....thats all.

It can be spent EASILY. I'm betting most of the costs are equipment, location rental, cast/crew payment, special FX and props.

Movies are money-sucking machines... but if you market it right (and have a good film) you can suck money back from them... in theory.
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 6:33pm

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For all those who are shocked about the $8000 part, it's pretty much the usual cost of a short film these days (if you're paying people). £8,000-£10,000 is about the usual grant made by Film Council funders to people who want to make short films(even on digital format), and I was involved in one such project (actor and assistant) that produced a film about 20 minutes long. It had a £25,000 budget and was shot on BetaSP (and before you ask, the film was crap).
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 6:41pm

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How to you start a project like that. Do you write a movie, and wait until an Agent helps you out with the budget? Or are there organizations that will help you with such things. Im guess it really isnt that easy to get a budget for a short film.

-Z
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 6:49pm

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There are organisations in England. If you were UK based, I could tell you how. Basically, The British Film Council funds mini organisations round the country, who in turn fund small projects and organise training events that people can attend. People can also apply to the Film Council for help with financing features. Maybe America has similar, I don't know.
Posted: Sat, 13th Aug 2005, 6:12pm

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For the short I'm working on, we've built two offices that are fully functional and realistic looking, and 30's/40's period looking for around 600 dollars. In total, I'm guessing this movie will cost less than 1000 dollars to make, and be about 15 minutes. But we're not paying anyone.

I'm going to buy the DVD of this film just to see what they spent the 8000 dollars on. Must be interesting. Assuming each 15 minutes of a feature length film would cost the same, a 90 minute movie would cost about 70,000 dollars. While that's definitely not bad for independent filmmakers, I'm sure it could be done for cheaper.
Posted: Sat, 13th Aug 2005, 6:44pm

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We did RECON 2020 for $30,000 USD, paying everybody $200/shooting day for principals and anywhere in between up to a $100/shooting day. Actually most of the costs where paying people, at least two third of the budget. The film is 90 minutes. Shot in 13 days. It is possible to spend less. The people behind broken have the production value to back up their $8000. It is totally believable but maybe a tad expensive for a short. I never spent that much on a short.
Posted: Sat, 13th Aug 2005, 8:59pm

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really good trailer and I LOVE the web documentaries nice going
Posted: Sun, 14th Aug 2005, 1:02pm

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mattio wrote:

really good trailer and I LOVE the web documentaries nice going
Thanks for the kind words!!!! The DVD has a ton of Documentries about how we made BROKEN.

Thanks for the support and good luck on your projects!

alex
Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005, 3:47am

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TommyB wrote:



Looks awesome. I'll have a read of your website.
Thanks man!!
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 4:14am

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BROKEN on DVD: http://www.whatisbroken.com/dvd.html

THANK GOD! You can stop with the death threats already!!! ; )

Well it is finally here!!! Thank you SOOOOOOO MUCH for your patience! We will be shipping out all the pre-orders for BROKEN the DVD this week. In the US standard First Class mail, International will vary depending on location.

Thank you all again for purchasing our DVD and supporting a couple of indie film guys with a dream....tear. Please drop us a line and tell us what you think of the DVD (tell your family, friends...strangers.....your dog ; )

Also, we will keep you up to date on the feature film version of BROKEN. Some really exciting stuff happening, wish us luck!! Keep checking the BROKEN Press page for the latest on BROKEN: http://www.whatisbroken.com/press.html

Here is the BROKEN trailer: http://www.whatisbroken.com/broken_trailer_enter.html

BTW, here is a link to the BROKEN DVD: The "BOOTLEG" Preview Trailer:
http://www.whatisbroken.com/broken_dvd.html

We hope you enjoy the BROKEN: Special Edition DVD and that is helps you with you future projects.

Cheers!

Alex & Jorge
The B R O K E N Production Team
http://www.whatisbroken.com/dvd.html
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http://www.whatisbroken.com
http://www.enigmafactory.com
http://www.alexferrari.com
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 4:19am

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Consider it bought from me. I'll order it sometime tomorrow.
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 4:24am

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Serpent wrote:

Consider it bought from me. I'll order it sometime tomorrow.
Thanks for the support man! Hope you like it and it help with your future projects!

Alex
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 8:44am

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I have to say, This is the first Short I was REALLY impressed with, And its apparent you guys spend the time and money well. Although It's visual style looks very similar to "saw"s, It still retains its own Sort of theme. How did you manage to raise the support needed to make this?
Posted: Tue, 23rd Aug 2005, 11:37am

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Bryce007 wrote:

I have to say, This is the first Short I was REALLY impressed with, And its apparent you guys spend the time and money well. Although It's visual style looks very similar to "saw"s, It still retains its own Sort of theme. How did you manage to raise the support needed to make this?
We had a LOT of friends ; )
Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005, 9:41pm

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Serpent wrote:

Consider it bought from me. I'll order it sometime tomorrow.
Did you get your copy yet?
Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005, 10:07pm

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hey BROKEN2005 can you help me a bit and give a little tutorial on how you made those muzzle flashes (I have Adobe Photoshop) thanks
Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005, 10:26pm

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mattio wrote:

hey BROKEN2005 can you help me a bit and give a little tutorial on how you made those muzzle flashes (I have Adobe Photoshop) thanks
It's a bit complicated. It was done entirly in SHAKE. We go into GREAT detail on the DVD.

Good luck with your future projects.
Alex
Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005, 10:36pm

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Is there a way to buy this without paypal? I really want to see what you say in the post-production diaries confused
Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005, 12:00am

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I didn't have the time, I was busier last week than I ever thought I would be. I'll buy it sometime this week. Just wrote it on my end of summer to do list.
Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005, 12:10am

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Oh man I now officially suck at life. I keep looking at your section to "buy the dvd now" or wahtever, and I kept thinking it was going up in price and the price I just saw being $80ish...then I realized im dumb as @*&% and I will be buying it soon since its only $20 cool
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hmm - when I first saw this post I didnt' really think much of it... but now having seen the trailer, lookin through the site etc I really want to see this.

Although I never thought I would - I am going to buy it right now....

cool


-MAGIC

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Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005, 5:40pm

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Ah yes, Broken. ^.^ Another fellow B-Hive TV trailer guy! Too over the top for B-Hive, too qualified XD
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:36am

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Hey Guys,

We just got back from the Toronto Film Festival and we met World Famous Film Critic Roger Ebert from the Chicago Sun-Times. He did a review of BROKEN on his site (we are still trying to revive Jorge ; )

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A festival like Toronto attracts hopeful filmmakers eager to pitch projects and find financing. Here, for example, are Alex Ferrari and Jorge Rodriguez, the director and producer of “Broken,” a 19-minute, $8,000 horror film containing, by their count, more than 100 visual effects.

“We’re here to talk about a development deal for a feature based on the short,” Rodriguez tells me, before the screening of “Twelve and Holding.” “Who you talking to?” I ask. “We’d better not say,” Ferrari says.

He gives me a DVD of their short: “We’ve already sold 1,000 copies online. It contains six commentary tracks and like three hours of information on how to shoot low-budget digital films and how to do the special effects. It’s like a training course.” They refer me to their web site, www.whatisbroken.com, and back at the hotel I view the film and visit the site.

The film is effective and professional and the ominous sound track works with the images to create the desired effect. Whether the plot quite rises above the level of “it was only a dream” I am not prepared to say. Whether the short will someday grow into a good film we will know only if the development deal goes through.

But that’s not really the point. The point is that gifted and ambitious young filmmakers can, with very little money, use the new digital technology to make a presentation that gets attention from industry pros. Kerry Conran’s “Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow” (2004) was floated the same way, with a home-made demo made on his Mac. Whether this is better than the old-fashioned method of submitting a screenplay is a good question; “Broken” is essentially a demonstration of the mastery of horror imagery and techniques. A screenplay has to also have dimensional characters (one, two or three dimensions, depending on its ambition) and a story. In an industry so impenetrable for newcomers, any way you break in is the right way. Then it depends on what you do. Looking forward to “Broken: The Feature.”

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps.../509150301/1023
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We are truly amazed! We were sooooooo excited that we had to share the news. Thanks again for all the support from everyone!! Good Luck with all your projects.
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http://www.alexferrari.com
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 4:48am

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Wow, that is really awesome. Ebert. Wow.
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 11:48am

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I also have my DVD, and it's amazing. The movie itself rocks.. but it's the special features that really make me drool. Lots of great detail.

Anyone considering to purchase this DVD... consider no longer- it's worth it. wink

EDIT: I just found out you got an honorable mention at Rebelfest!! Congrats... but you were in Toronto and you didn't tell me!!! I'm broken with sadness... no really! Next time you guys are up here, send me an email and we can get a beer together!!
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Broken dude, could you keep us updated how many dvd's you've sold.
I think I order your DVD for my birthday biggrin it really looks cool...

And how long was that documentary ?

Best regards, and much luck in selling
RRF Productions
Posted: Fri, 16th Sep 2005, 1:45pm

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WHAT A pile of crap.


Just joking, slick editing and camera work, looks impressive.

Not my type of film, but I hope you do well.
Posted: Thu, 29th Sep 2005, 3:32am

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Hey Guys,

Just dropping some news that AMAZON.COM is carrying BROKEN: Special Edition DVD and can be purchased at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B7TH92/qid=1127962181/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/102-3424559-2716103?v=glance&s=dvd

Hope this isn't to much of a shameless plug :laugh:

I just thought it was cool that amazon is carrying our little short film. Thanks again for all the support from the DVXuser community. Good luck with your future projects.

All the best,
Alex
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http://www.enigmafactory.com
http://www.alexferrari.com

Posted: Thu, 29th Sep 2005, 3:55am

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Hello

I cannot think of a better word to describe how i feel about this movie......... dissapointing.

Sure it looked good. Technically it was very well done,lighting and sound etc... but the story is far from original or complete. None of the characters have any personality, and are pretty plain. just with weird costumes. WHo cares what happens to her... you dont know ANYTHING about her, or why she is there! For all we know she could be a serial killer or something.

Some of the Editing was okay.. but alot of it was WEAK. ex: when the girl kicks the other girl then trips her... Like c'mon.. you cant say that is even close to a smooth cut or transition.. I didn't even realize she was being tripped or kicked till watching the bonus features.

Usually after watching the bonus featurs of a movie I feel better about it because i realize how it was made etc... but with this.. it seems like a waste of time. Like.. rehearsal for a kick..? all this "caution" and practice and testing for a guy to jump onto a matress??? All the prep and pre-production stuff seems like a failed attempt at "we want to seem like pros so we are going to do all this stuff even tho it really doesn't help or make a difference" (like in the extra features when it said "stunts".. i said to myself.. WHat stunts????)
Overall you guys did well, and probably have made some money... but really your not selling anythin special. The final product has many holes in the editing and overall is nothing worth paying 20 bucks for. THe good looking website and teasing at the "awesome bonus features" is what sold this to people.

I'd give it maybe a 5.5/10 just for the lighting.. and thats me... everyone I've shown this to (who are all very knowledgable and educated in film and video) all agree with my statements.. and some go further to say it isn't very good. I'm not too sure how all of you guys say its "soo good" when really im sure all of you can come up with a better story, and after all.. thats what filmmaking is.. telling a story.. and this is a very poor attempt at it (I really hated the ULTRA CHEESY ending....)


I hate to be the one to bash this movie... but after reading everything i've read.. i feel its necessary to see if anyone else shares my opinion....

Dissapointed

Alex

p.s. Looking forward to your next Demonstration of horror imagery and techniques. ha.
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Kardini wrote:

Hello

I cannot think of a better word to describe how i feel about this movie......... dissapointing.

Sure it looked good. Technically it was very well done,lighting and sound etc... but the story is far from original or complete. None of the characters have any personality, and are pretty plain. just with weird costumes. WHo cares what happens to her... you dont know ANYTHING about her, or why she is there! For all we know she could be a serial killer or something.

Some of the Editing was okay.. but alot of it was WEAK. ex: when the girl kicks the other girl then trips her... Like c'mon.. you cant say that is even close to a smooth cut or transition.. I didn't even realize she was being tripped or kicked till watching the bonus features.

Usually after watching the bonus featurs of a movie I feel better about it because i realize how it was made etc... but with this.. it seems like a waste of time. Like.. rehearsal for a kick..? all this "caution" and practice and testing for a guy to jump onto a matress??? All the prep and pre-production stuff seems like a failed attempt at "we want to seem like pros so we are going to do all this stuff even tho it really doesn't help or make a difference" (like in the extra features when it said "stunts".. i said to myself.. WHat stunts????)
Overall you guys did well, and probably have made some money... but really your not selling anythin special. The final product has many holes in the editing and overall is nothing worth paying 20 bucks for. THe good looking website and teasing at the "awesome bonus features" is what sold this to people.

I'd give it maybe a 5.5/10 just for the lighting.. and thats me... everyone I've shown this to (who are all very knowledgable and educated in film and video) all agree with my statements.. and some go further to say it isn't very good. I'm not too sure how all of you guys say its "soo good" when really im sure all of you can come up with a better story, and after all.. thats what filmmaking is.. telling a story.. and this is a very poor attempt at it (I really hated the ULTRA CHEESY ending....)

I hate to be the one to bash this movie... but after reading everything i've read.. i feel its necessary to see if anyone else shares my opinion....

Dissapointed

Alex
I respectfully disagree with you. We did the best we could with what we had. At least we are trying ; )

Good luck with all your future projects.
Alex
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Looking forward to “BROKEN: The Feature." - Roger Ebert (Film Critic Chicago SunTimes/Ebert & Roeper's)

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Spending $8000 on a movie is obviously not a lot of money by hollywood standards. However, it is a lot to spend on someone's first big movie, unless its a feature length peice. The problem is getting any of that money back through distobution. Its hard to find a buyer for a short film, so its a lot more likely that the $8000 is going to be a complete waste, than if you spend for example $50,000 on a feature length movie. Your more likely to break even, or make profit on the $50,000 feature length movie.
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BlueSmudge wrote:

Spending $8000 on a movie is obviously not a lot of money by hollywood standards. However, it is a lot to spend on someone's first big movie, unless its a feature length peice. The problem is getting any of that money back through distobution. Its hard to find a buyer for a short film, so its a lot more likely that the $8000 is going to be a complete waste, than if you spend for example $50,000 on a feature length movie. Your more likely to break even, or make profit on the $50,000 feature length movie.
Thank you for your opinon, but we have already made back our movie selling our DVD at: http://www.whatisbroken.com/dvd.html ; )

We packaged our DVD in a different way and began to sell it ourselves. What BlueSmudge is right, but you need to think outside the box if you are going to make it! Good luck to all!

Alex
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I was just thinking about this. I said I would buy the DVD when I bought my movie posters for my room, and I haven't purchased those yet either.
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Yeah- $8000 is a fair price for self-distribution.

We spent $10K on a feature, and once the DVD gets out, if we can sell 3000 copies (if you've seen American movie, picture a white board with no more numbers..) we'll triple our expenses.

Anything under 50k can be made back through self-distribution if you market well and be persistent (and have at least a quality LOOKING product).
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How long is this movie? I thought it was a feature length for $8000. Thats what made this REALLY impressive for me. If it only keeps all that up for shortfilms length...Then i guess at least some of the money is on screen..
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 4:37am

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The movie is 15mins, but the production value is top-notch. The special features alone are worth the DVD price.

It's easy to get that high on a short, especially when renting equipment. I'm renting a boom mic and a few other things for a 5min short I'm filming this weekend, and it costs almost $100 alone for the rental for one day.

If I had to rent lights, camera, audio, accesories, the price would EASILY be around $500-1000.

And that's for one-two days, for a 5min video.

This doesn't include costumes, props, tapes, SPFX, paying cast/crew, blah blah blah.

$8000 for a high-production value short film is pretty good.

As a test, buy the DVD (or watch the trailer) and compare it to some of those "no budget films" on this site.. you'll see a VERY noticable difference.

They use a lot of really neat money-saving tricks, and anyone serious about getting into film as a career would benefit from the excellent advice in the special features.

I'm hoping to round up about $2,000 for a 15 min short in the next few months. If I can put a couple other 5min shorts on the DVD (for bonuses) and sell it for $15/DVD, I'll make my money back if I sell 150 DVD's.
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I'll buy one ! so only 149 to go wink
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It's easy to get that high on a short, especially when renting equipment. I'm renting a boom mic and a few other things for a 5min short I'm filming this weekend, and it costs almost $100 alone for the rental for one day.

If I had to rent lights, camera, audio, accesories, the price would EASILY be around $500-1000.

And that's for one-two days, for a 5min video.
You might as well buy your own damn equipment after all of that. (Not just saying that to you manmatty) It really isnt that hard to get that look for less now. Daywalker costed us $700 and most all of that was edible. Unless your shooting on film, I'll never really get the whole 8 grand for a 15min short... I wish we had 8 grand to use on a film... hell i'd take 8 dollars ha.
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daywalker only cost $700? not bad considering. As for equipment rental, I'm sure through a combination of Pawn shops and borrowing you could crush that budget down alot more. i have yet to use any budget at all, But when i do sink some money into a film, I'm buying the equipment.

I still find it hard to believe a thousand dollars every two minutes was neccessary. Robert Rodriguez first feature Shot on Film cost a thousand dollars less than this...
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is this film worth buying, i heard alot of hype on this, to me it seemed they were using the site more to promote and sell the movie, which if good, is fair enough, if not then fast buck cowboys sad which would sadden me. Is this film good, or is this film just overhyped and very predictable. I'm curious, but im also tight with money, and tbo the trailer was a little crap, im still curious.
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Personally I like the website better than the DVD.

I wasn't hugely impressed by the video....some of the cuts for certain "action" shots was really jumpy and didn't work.....the "storytelling" and plot were just not there...almost as if they said "lets shoot it like this now .. yeah this looks cool" lol......... and 90% of the special features were either not needed, or just boring in my opinion.

Some of the special features were cool... but some I laughed at.

I beleive they achieved what they were aiming for tho. To shoot something that looked good. And it does. Visually its really well done - and I beleive thats what they were aiming for. They wern't aiming for some crazy storytelling / lets try and win an oscar kind of thing. Unless you read the site you probably wont have ANY clue about what the heck is going on "story" wise - but that isn't the point.

If your considering buying it as a "movie".. then this probably isn't for you. But if you want to see what some people did with decent equipment, and how they did it (good or bad).. then do it up. After watching all the special features you'll really feel like making a movie smile

-MAGIC
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Rating: +1

You might as well buy your own damn equipment after all of that. (Not just saying that to you manmatty) It really isnt that hard to get that look for less now. Daywalker costed us $700 and most all of that was edible. Unless your shooting on film, I'll never really get the whole 8 grand for a 15min short...
It isn't that hard to get that look? Odd, there's hardly a film that gets a look as professional as this, if even one. Daywalker was nice, but there's quite some room between how daywalker looks and how this looks.
Of course, the good look doesn't necessarily make it a good film. And of course, the look must also appeal to you (wich this one doesn't really in my case, but I can still see that it has a very high standard)

8'000 $ for a 15 minute short isn't much. It's a ridicolously small amount (means 90 minutes would cost 48'000 $, wich isn't your average budget for a feature, no matter if shot on film or not. Because shooting on film doesn't raise your budget from 48'000 to 20 millions).

Can you make a film for less? Sure thing. Will it look like this? It's possible, yes, if your awfully good and / or have loads of friends who are awfully good and happen to own or have access to necessary equipment, good (!) actors, costumes or whatever else needed, but in 999'999 of 1'000'000 cases it just won't.



We spent a good 30'000 $ on NightCast too and that was as cheap as we could get for what will be around 100 minutes.

We need a quality camera - hm, 3'000 $ to buy or 2'300 $ to rent for 38 days. First 3'000 $ away. Lightequipment would be nice, next 3'000 $.
We need to build a set, so we need a warehouse (another 1'000 $ gone if you don't have the luck if knowing someplace free you can use for 2 months) and lot's of wood, stone, glue, color and whatnot. Next 3'000 $ gone.
Catering for 38 shooting days for 15 people average, there go the next 4'000 $. Costumes and props for 30 people? Sure, makes another 5'000 $.

So before you have one second of film you've already got your first 25'000 $ through.



Kudos to the production value of this and the nice homepage. If I had some money left I'd buy the DVD, but since I've spend everything on the things mentioned above, I won't. At least not now. smile
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Thats cool, but it doesn't answer the question. It's the finished film im looking for, is it worth paying for. To me the picture quality and fx don't really matter. Not to the extent of not watching it, Collateral was a watchable movie although the picture quality was poor, but i really liked the story. It didn't have great lighting either but i think on the level imo I can agree that it was an average watchable film. This movie is claming to be a good watch, i want to know, is it. I should watch it and kill the nagging in my head of is it or isn't it good. But as film makers sharing and watching films is (to me) a prefered method. Not saying this film is good i put it a festival so buy it! I understand they spent money on it and it has a polished finish, but it means nothing if the film is not very good. I don't mean to sound ungreatful in peoples abilities or giving things ago, we all do it. But bragging and hyping and expecting some one to pay up cash to watch your movie you have to produce some thing worth buying. Ah, im worried this may come off wrong, what im saying. I don't know how else to explain what i mean. Point is, if you boast about how good your work is, and then say well if you want to see it, pay up. It better be damn good. Saying that, there are some truly monstrus creations chruned out by the hollywood machine.

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Sollthar wrote:

A lot of stuff about how much movies cost to make! smile
Or, you can do it my way, and literally bodge everything together for the most insane zero budget production! wink

Stress levels on low budget/zero budget productions are incredible, I didn't cry though... honest.

As for this film, I'm interested to see the final outcome, over at amazon there seems to be a very fair review (second down) which gives it 2/5 and says why etc. Although he does mention its worth picking up if you make your own films etc.

smile
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ashman69erdude wrote:

Thats cool, but it doesn't answer the question. It's the finished film im looking for, is it worth paying for.
In that case my opinion would be no....

but as I said before - I do not think that was the makers' main focus/intention

-MAGIC
Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005, 4:02pm

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I personally think they're asking a bit too much. I dont care how many bonus features you have, $20 is too much for a 15 minutes short. My flick is 45 minutes with two hours of bonus stuff, and I'm thinking about dropping the price $2 to $8 (including shipping), just so I can still make a couple bucks a copy =/
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Actually they may have sold more copies at the price it is at now.
They have an awesome website that looks very proffesional etc...
So its expected to be a "normal" price...

If people saw the price was REALLY cheap... they would probably think "must be a peice of crap" or something like that... but knowing what the website tells you.. and then seeing a "normal" dvd price.. makes you beleive your buying something that will be quality... and not some peice of crap some guy threw together in his basement.

I was impressed when I got mine.. Full -out pressed dvd etc etc haha

-MAGIC
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Actually, this film is a niche product. Therefore it should be marketed at a MORE expensive price then an average DVD.

It's the demand that sets a price usually, not the length or "quality" of a film. If you expect to have a crapload of sales (like a big blockbuster movie) you *should* be able to buy it for a lower price, since many people are buying it. If you expect to have low sales, you should set a higher price.


If it's actually got 3 hours of making of though, it has more playlength then some DVDs I have at home.
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Bryce007- just to clarify on Rodriguez... he SHOT the film for 7,000. Do take note he borrowed the camera, a lot of the equipment, had over 200 short films (some award winners).. and when his movie was bought by the distributors, they paid one hell of a lot more money to fix up the film.

CX3- I didn't know Daywalker only cost $700!!! Dang! That's pretty damn good, if you ask me!!

Oh, and Magicman pretty much nailed it- this is a short film directed at two kinds of people- Filmmakers, and industry big-wigs. Filmmakers get it for the great learning tool, industry big-wigs see a professional team with thier shit together that know how to put together a quality product for low-cost. If I were an investor and had a brilliant script, I'd hire these guys in a flash. As I have no money, I'd work for them for free, just because I'd know it would be a fun shoot, with a quality product to put on my reel at the end.
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The version in theaters had $1,000,000 in post production and promotion put into it, But thanks to the movie being entertaining enough, it got him his reputation.
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Hey everyone,

BROKEN ON TELEVISION - The BROKEN guys have been ask to be guests on the television show "The Screening Room with Jonathan Krane." Mr. Krane is a mega producer whose credits include: Swordfish, Face Off, The General's Daughter, Phenomenon, Look Who's Talking Trilogy, Domestic Disturbance, & Basic to name a few. Here is a current Article written in the Hollywood Reporter:

"Film producer Jonathan Krane is stepping in front of the cameras, signing on to host the new indie film-focused show The Screening Room for a high-definition TV station in West Palm Beach, Fla. The series, which will air on WHDT from 8-10 p.m. Mondays starting Oct. 3, will feature a "watch and discuss" format with either three 20-minute films or a full-length feature, followed by Krane (Look Who's Talking, Face/Off) holding discussions with the filmmakers or cast involved in the project. Krane said the show will give the films a chance to reach a wider audience than, for example, just festivalgoers. He added that he intends to ask "hard questions" about how the filmmaker's original vision matches up with the final product and hopes that viewers learn something about moviemaking."

The BROKEN guys will be on Monday, Oct 17th @ 8pm on WHTV. The shows aires in Boston and South Florida to a possible 10 Million viewers. HOLY COW!! We are soooooo excited! Tune in a tell us what you think.

Thanks,
Alex
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OH MY GOD.

this is incredible. i looked at basicaly everything on your site. i cant wait to see the finished product, do you have to buy it on dvd? and if so, how and from where?
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sgb4622 wrote:

OH MY GOD.

this is incredible. i looked at basicaly everything on your site. i cant wait to see the finished product, do you have to buy it on dvd? and if so, how and from where?
Thank ma! Just goto: http://www.whatisbroken.com/dvd.html and click "buy now".

Thanks for the support!
Alex
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thanks, ill probably buy it tommorow.

also, thanks a lot for posting those docs about how you made that film. i have to say, its really an inspiration to us all.
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sgb4622 wrote:

thanks, ill probably buy it tommorow.

also, thanks a lot for posting those docs about how you made that film. i have to say, its really an inspiration to us all.
Thanks man!
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Now that Daywalker has been brought up, it's hard not to contrast the two films in quality, length, and yes, budget. (if you judge the trailers side-by-side) In my opinion, Daywalker would come out on top from what I've currently seen on each film. The deal with me and "BROKEN" is:

If anything, the trailer turned me away from the film, with the cliche-styled look to it and montage of strange shots involving no plot/story with the Matrix Dojo song backing it. Yes, I understand you have worked incredibly hard and harder and harder to perfect this piece, but the genre (action/thriller/mystery/horror........something like that mix?) is unattractive to me from the start. And the style/"look", Sollthar, in my opinion, in Daywalker, is just as good, if not better quality than "BROKEN". (no offense meant, Broken, your film looks slick, but I myself have no immediate interest in it) The difference between the two that is obvious from the start is the gritty contrast "Broken" has but "Daywalker" lacks, but the immediate thought of this is "perhaps this is intentional on CX3s behalf, so as to keep with the "Blade: Movie" style/"look" itself?" Ohhhhhhhhhhh............but, wait...................perhaps?

wink (Winkety-Wink-izzle keepin' it cool, breeze)
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Madmanmatty wrote:

Bryce007- just to clarify on Rodriguez... he SHOT the film for 7,000. Do take note he borrowed the camera, a lot of the equipment, had over 200 short films (some award winners).. and when his movie was bought by the distributors, they paid one hell of a lot more money to fix up the film.
False, on multiple parts.

There was no equipment to borrow, it was his tripod, his Acme crap lights, and his tape recorder with 50 dollar Radio shack mic.

Robert only shot 40 short films, 30 of them were his supposed "bad movies". He already had a sellable product before the studio got wind of him. $40,000 to the Mexican film market, not too shabby for a $7,000 flick. 90 minutes for $7,000, incredible.

Canta
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which is why i was saying, this could have been feature length if...

A. They borrowed more and asked for help on the basis that it got the person experience.

B. Agreed to spend more time in post adding effects to more scenes.
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[quote="cantaclaro"]

Madmanmatty wrote:

Bryce007-

Robert only shot 40 short films, 30 of them were his supposed "bad movies". He already had a sellable product before the studio got wind of him. $40,000 to the Mexican film market, not too shabby for a $7,000 flick. 90 minutes for $7,000, incredible.

Canta
Just a FYI, BROKEN has gotten international distribution and we have sold over 1500 DVD's online and a ton more at our apperances. The point is, we had a salable product out of the gate. We were just think a bit outside the box and it is paying off for us.

We want to get some real $$$ to make the feature film and used BROKEN the short to show Hollywood what we could do on a small budget. We have signed a deal to make the feature nad are in development as we speak. The short did exactly what it was designed for. We just went down a path less traveled.

If you have a project, SELL IT MAN! If you want to make it, go out get it! Cause no one is going to give it to you! Bust down the door to the party that they won't invite you too....

Good luck on all your future projects!

Alex
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And good luck to you too dude, sounds like you got it together, don't let them add loads of stupid plot twists and dialouge. it's your movie, and make it the way you guys intended.
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ashman69erdude wrote:

And good luck to you too dude, sounds like you got it together, don't let them add loads of stupid plot twists and dialouge. it's your movie, and make it the way you guys intended.
thanks man for the support!!
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Happy Holidays everyone. Thank you for all the amazing support you have given our little short this past year.

As thanks, we are having a BROKEN: Special Edition DVD HOLIDAY SALE. For the rest of 2005, the DVD we be on sale for $14.99 (Retail Price $19.99) After Dec 31, 2005 the price will be back to the retail price $19.99. This is a limited time offer!

It makes a great gift for that indie filmmaker or movie buff in your life! ; ) Click below!
Good luck on ALL your future projects and thanks again for all the support!

Have a GREAT HOLIDAY!!!
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Just wanted to thank everyone for the support this holiday season. We sold a few more DVDs than excepted durning our Holiday sale. We'll see you at Sundance.

Happy New Year!
The BROKEN Team